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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Janis Ruksans on October 03, 2012, 07:40:49 PM
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Yes, crocus blooming season is quite poor this year (judging by very few entries in forum). With me blooming just now got some speed but I have very little time to visit blooming beds as I'm in hurry to finish replanting - hope to end tomorrow or next week as during weekend I will be in Sweden with lecture and bulb sales in Upsala and after that visiting old friends in Gothenburgh Botanical garden. Still left replant only Alliums and on the first picture you can see how looks bulbs of American's after placing in boxes.
From Crocuses I can show you only two - Crocus pulchellus from Chios Island (Greece just at Turkish border) - quite pale form. Blooms many aquisitions of pallasii from Chios - several with black anthers resembling form homerii, but less spectacular (may be still didn't returned power after early collecting). But pictures of those I didn't prepared for Forum (forgot camera in office). Here I'm including one picture of speciosus ilgazensis, too.
Janis
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!!!! :o
Janis, tell me, what is the black stuff in boxes, what is it for?
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Some in flower here now:
Crocus speciosus 'Oxonian'
Crocus vallicola
and Crocus 'Netsuke'
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!!!! :o
Janis, tell me, what is the black stuff in boxes, what is it for?
It is poliethylene film. In ends of boxes are holes for hands or hooks to pick up boxes. To close those holes (for soil will not fall out) and still keep possibility to pick up the box, I use polyethilene film.
Janis
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It is poliethylene film. In ends of boxes are holes for hands or hooks to pick up boxes. To close those holes (for soil will not fall out) and still keep possibility to pick up the box, I use polyethilene film.
Janis
what compost are you using Janis,it resembles sharp sand?
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what compost are you using Janis,it resembles sharp sand?
No, I'm using mix maid from 2 parts of sharp sand, 1 part of peat moss and 1 part of loam + dolomite chalk to adjust pH 6,5 + slow releasing complex fertilizer of equal ammount NPK + microelements (Company YARA). But compost is pressed down, covered by sharp sand, yhen placed bulbs (on picture), they are covered by sharp sand and on top goes the same mix and on very top stone chips - real layered cake.
Watering allways with addition of crystalon (Yara Company) - easy soluable fertilizer with microelement complex, now with less nitrogen and double potash, in early spring all NPK in equal ammount, from mid season the same autumn variant with double potash.
Janis
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For long time are blooming Crocus pallasii. On this entry pictures of various aquisitions from Chios and from Samos Islands - Greece, just at Turkish border. All belongs to type subsp, but some has black anthers. Such pallasii I noted only on Chios, but it is very variable, Really seem that black anthered plants forms minority, although corms were collected in spring, out of flowers. Must go there in autumn, to see them in full bloom to judge about distribution of black anthered forms. Pity, I hoped that they could be new subspecies but DNA show that there are no difference from W Turkish plants.
Janis
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My friend from Northern Ireland, famous daffodil breader Brian Duncan, finished hybridising of large blooming daffodils. But no one gardener can stop activities and so he now turned to miniature species and every year he goes to Spain and Portugal searching for new natural hybrids, exploring distribution of wild daffodils. This spring Brian collected few Crocuses for me and one of them blooms just now - it turned Crocus nudiflorus - very pretty form. I very like its pure white flower tube and throat.
Another two pictures show you Iranian speciosus.
Janis
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Hello,
because of our long and rather dry late summer-autumn, my Croci seem to bloom later!
I was already rather nervous, but now flowers are popping up:
Crocus goulimyi leucanthus
Crocus goulimyi
Crocus boryi
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No, I'm using mix maid from 2 parts of sharp sand, 1 part of peat moss and 1 part of loam + dolomite chalk to adjust pH 6,5 + slow releasing complex fertilizer of equal ammount NPK + microelements (Company YARA). But compost is pressed down, covered by sharp sand, yhen placed bulbs (on picture), they are covered by sharp sand and on top goes the same mix and on very top stone chips - real layered cake.
Watering allways with addition of crystalon (Yara Company) - easy soluable fertilizer with microelement complex, now with less nitrogen and double potash, in early spring all NPK in equal ammount, from mid season the same autumn variant with double potash.
Janis
Thank you Janis for taking the time to go through that with me.
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Janis,
your forms of C. pallassii from Chios are very lovely. 8)
After years studying posted crocus images on this forum and in my garden it still amazes me how variable and nicely crocus can flower. There are still unexpected surprises. This makes the whole genus so mysterious and exiting. ;D
Herbert,
I adore you for the nice clump of C.goulimyi and the nice C. boryi 8). It seems on the images you grow them outside. Lucky you if you had no losses by black frosts from spring.
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Bloomed the same day last year.
Crocus speciosus
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I must agree Janis, also here many Crocus blossom a little earlier than during the last years, unfortunately, often only with few flowers.
in open land:
Crocus kotschyanus var leucopharynx
" medius
" robertianus
in the pots:
Crocus hadriaticus x sativus F1 hybrid
" pallasii
" veneris, a very small form
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Yes, here as well the autumn crocus season has not been good at all this year...I wonder why?
the fact that the weather has been very bad cold and rainy from mid september onwards, with only a few warm sunny days has not helped the flowers either. They barely open, and only last a few days, and then turn into slimey remains...!
The nicest one here now is crocus kotchyanus cappandocius, a fabulous colour. It loved the sunny warm weekend to finally open fully.
I also have palissi turcicus in bloom, which i will upload tomorrow.
still to flower hopefully are golimyi, medius, mathewii dram dancer, hedriaticus, boryi, scharojanii, kotchyanus, a few more forms of speciosus, banaticus snowdrift and pulchellus, just starting.
Lets hope for some warm sunny days in october!!
Pontus
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Janis, that dark throated form of palasii (no 60) are very beautiful!
Some crocus from my garden:
1. Crocus banaticus seedlings
2. The same in sunshine
3. Crocus banaticus Snowdrift
4. Crocus speciosus xantholaimos
5. Crocus cartwrightianus
Poul
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in the pots:
Crocus hadriaticus x sativus F1 hybrid
Hello Dirk,
a very interesting cross! Nice patterned. How long did it last to bring it to flower?
Did you try to cross C. hadriaticus with C. cartwrightianus, C. oreocreticus and C. thomasii too?
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Only my second of the season and nothing more showing at the moment. Crocus pulchellus, a kind gift from Tony Willis in 2008.
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David it's very slow here as well Crocus Serotinus Clusii (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8172/8053353526_3e20deba6b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveyp1970/8053353526/)
Crocus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveyp1970/8053353526/#) by daveyp2012 (http://www.flickr.com/people/daveyp1970/), on Flickr
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Hello Dirk,
a very interesting cross! Nice patterned. How long did it last to bring it to flower?
Did you try to cross C. hadriaticus with C. cartwrightianus, C. oreocreticus and C. thomasii too?
Armin, this hybrid is from 2002, she has used 3 or 4 years up to the first blossom.
Actually, has I have made them because I have got this hadriaticus as sativus Albus. At that time it was one of the last blossoms of this hadraticus and the first blossom from sativus. With the other blue species from this group I have not cruised, sativus just has the biggest blossom.
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crocus palasii turcicus in full bloom here, although finishing its bloom as I write.
Enjoying the only really sunny warm day last week to open nicely :)
I think it is a nice sp, but prefer the more purple darker form shown earlier in this thread...
Pontus
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David it's very slow here as well Crocus Serotinus Clusii (http://farm9.staticflickr.com/8172/8053353526_3e20deba6b.jpg) (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveyp1970/8053353526/)
Crocus (http://www.flickr.com/photos/daveyp1970/8053353526/#) by daveyp2012 (http://www.flickr.com/people/daveyp1970/), on Flickr
100% Crocus speciosus I'm afraid :(
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Thanks Dirk for the background info of this lovely cross. ;)
Is it sterile or fertile?
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100% Crocus speciosus I'm afraid :(
I agree Tony, looks like C. speciosus.
But did you notice the whitish /(defective?) anthers?. Maybe some pulchellus genes involved... :)
Dave,
I have a hunch of the origin purchase... :-X
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Cheers Tony and Armin for that,i had been discussing this plant with Ron of the forum about its identity and that something was just not right about it.
Armin i bought from a fellow forum member on here,when he was selling his surplus stuff,to be fair he his not known for his crocus.Now to find some true Clusii corms.
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Dave,
C. speciosus and C. pulchellus cross very easy if you keep them close together. Not unattractive croci at all.
Your pot still shows more shots. Nothing lost yet - maybe the others are true C. serotinus :D
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Dave,
C. speciosus and C. pulchellus cross very easy if you keep them close together. Not unattractive croci at all.
Your pot still shows more shots. Nothing lost yet - maybe the others are true C. serotinus :D
Armin i have a spare potfull if you would like them later when go dormant.
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A few years ago C. speciosus was commonly substituted for C. serotinus in the trade. It may still be for all I know.
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I agree Tony, looks like C. speciosus.
But did you notice the whitish /(defective?) anthers?. Maybe some pulchellus genes involved... :)
No, failed to notice. Just took in the classic specious shape and colouring. Anthers look defective but you could well be right about poss hybridity.
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Thanks Dirk for the background info of this lovely cross. ;)
Is it sterile or fertile?
Armin, this Crocus is fertile. You find flowers from F2 crosses last autumn in our forum.
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a speciosus maybe, but a very nice intense blue speciosus. Mine tend to veer towards violet shades or deep blue, not as intense blue as yours. If you ever have any spare i could swap you some of my speciosus types...or perhaps find you some clusii if i come across any...:)
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a speciosus maybe, but a very nice intense blue speciosus. Mine tend to veer towards violet shades or deep blue, not as intense blue as yours. If you ever have any spare i could swap you some of my speciosus types...or perhaps find you some clusii if i come across any...:)
Pontas i have spare,so lets swap when the times right ;)
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Armin i have a spare potfull if you would like them later when go dormant.
Dave,
thank you for your kind offer. I'll send you a PM.
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Armin, this Crocus is fertile. You find flowers from F2 crosses last autumn in our forum.
Dirk,
thanks I found the image.
Interesting sample of heritance how F2 generation splits off and appearance changes compared to F1 gen.
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A couple of quick images taken this morning in the brighter weather, I have called them Crocus cancellatus again............. I wonder if I should have asked Tony first!
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For this week from my garden I can show only..
C. cancellatus damascenus and lots of C. pallasii turcicus
ibrahim
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A couple of quick images taken this morning in the brighter weather, I have called them Crocus cancellatus again............. I wonder if I should have asked Tony first!
:P Look fine to me!
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Ibrahim,
thanks for showing rarely cultivated type subspecies. 8)
Sad to say nothing suitable for my wet and cold garden conditions here :(.
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C. mathewi
One of two 'forms?' that I grow. This one wasn't even showing three days ago. A little sun today and here it is. The second 'form' flowered on 28th October last year. Its just beginning to emerge now.
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Crocus-goulimyi in my meadow.
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C. mathewi
One of two 'forms?' that I grow. This one wasn't even showing three days ago. A little sun today and here it is. The second 'form' flowered on 28th October last year. Its just beginning to emerge now.
Very nice Ron
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Very nice Ron and Franz, all much in front of mine.
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Franz,
what a beautiful clump of C. goulimyi surrounded by cyclamen leaves 8)
All my Crocus goulimyi and most of my young Cyclamen coum stock are victims from February black frosts. :'(
Today I spotted a single shot of C. speciosus in my meadow and surprisingly 4 leaves of cyclamen plus a couple of tiny seedlings :D.
Feels like having a lucky escape ;D
Ron,
C. mathewii is one of my favourites! A fabulous crocus species.
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Crocus cartwrightianus Haloween
Crocus nudiflorus from Spain and
few more pallasii from Chios Island, Greece
Janis
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Hello,
Crocos niveus or goulimyi leucanthus?
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Dirk,
thanks I found the image.
Interesting sample of heritance how F2 generation splits off and appearance changes compared to F1 gen.
Nice color! it looks like the stigma is very small.
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Hello,
Crocos niveus or goulimyi leucanthus?
Crocus goulimyi leucanthus I think. I can see your dilemma, but the leaves and bracts suggest goulimyi. In the flower, the absence of yellow in the throat and the style are also typical of goulimyi. Niveus has yellow throat and more simple three branched orange style.
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I agree with Tony - an albino form of C. goulimyi. Whether C. goulimyi subsp. leucanthus actually exists is an open question; I have never seen an adequate definition of the taxon or how this supposed subspecies differs from C. goulimyi.
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I agree with Tony - an albino form of C. goulimyi. Whether C. goulimyi subsp. leucanthus actually exists is an open question; I have never seen an adequate definition of the taxon or how this supposed subspecies differs from C. goulimyi.
I'm with Gerry on the vagueries of this 'form'. Use of the name for pale/white forms seems common but it may just be a localised variant rather than a distinct subspecies.
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Thanks for your identifications!
It is labelled goulimyi leucanthus, but the flowers are remarkable bigger than ordinary goulimyi. So I was a little bit nervous. Niveus is not yet above ground here!
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Crocus Boryi which opened yesterday and fully opened today in the heat and sunshine...although 1 flower got eaten off by a snail overnight ! :(
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Very nice Crocus everyone !
Here some of two weeks ago ....Crocus autranii (pic 1,2,3,4) and banaticus in the garden.
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Just came from the country house, where some of my crocuses were in full bloom.
Have resized few pix to show in the forum.
crocus speciousus 'Cloudy Sky' (my selection).
After careful propagation from a single bulb I planted it in an open garden 2 years ago, where it felt very good and grew extremely vigorous. It grows upt to 25 sm tall, produces very bold tubes and big flowers. Very bold type and very showy, not mentioning its nice colouration.
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Very nice, Zhirair. Love the colours!
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other pictures
crocus goulimyi 'Mani White' (overwinters very well in an open garden in our climate under snow cover, surviving the temp. -25 C)
crocus serotinus ssp. salzmanii (vigorous form)
crocus niveus (grown from seed, again overwinters quite well)
crocus pulchellus 'Zephyr'
crocus pulchellus 'Zephyr' and speciousus 'Cloudy Sky' (in the background)
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Very nice and healthy looking Crocus Zhirair .
Here Crocus gilanicus in flower today .
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Zhirair,
Your goulimyi Mani White bed looks great!
I have some Crocus speciosus Cassiope which look strange. They acted the same way last year.
Virused? I would like to hear the experts opinion.
Crocus kotschyanus HKEP.9205
Crocus serotinus clusii Poseidon
Poul
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Zhirair, wonderful groups of Crocussses!
Poul, wouldn't know if those Cassiope's are virused...it's a comical view though ::)
Two Crocusses which are flowering here today:
Crocus medius 'Millesimo' (= Crocus ligusticus 'Millesimo')
and Crocus speciosus 'Pollux'
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Lovely crocus from everybody, a pleasure for the eyes 8)
Zhirair,
I like your speciousus 'Cloudy Sky'. I seems it has a nice yellow throat.
Is that a common feature in the wild population around your area? Our is it possibly a hybrid (evt. pulchellus)?
What are your assumptions?
Poul,
Crocus kotschyanus HKEP.9205 is lovely with its whitish style. A very nice one!
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A couple of mine. I have had lots in bud but no sun or warmth to open them and they just elongate and fall over
Crocus cancellatus ssp pamphylicus
Crocus pulchellus
Crocus nerimaniae
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This dryland crocus opened today for the first time from 2009 planting of seeds from the NARGS seed exchange. Seed came as Crocus thomasii but this looks more like a form of C. pallasii. can anyone tell me if this one is a specific subspecies of C. pallasii.
Thank you
Rimmer
SE Michigan USA
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Could the paler Crocus goulimyi on the left in the first photo be Crocus goulimyi leucanthus? or is Crocus goulimyi leucanthus even paler like the flower in the second photo?
Thank you
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Lovely crocus, All!r
Good to see these from you, Rimmer.... I moved some of your pictures apart so we can see them better- the croconuts will likely be offering their opinions soon!
Best wishes,
Maggi
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Could the paler Crocus goulimyi on the left in the first photo be Crocus goulimyi leucanthus? or is Crocus goulimyi leucanthus even paler like the flower in the second photo?
Thank you
Crocus goulimyi leucanthus is very pale or white. I find that in cultivation it crosses with the blue forms and does not breed true. I suspect this happens in nature too, either way it gives a whole range of intermediates.
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This crocus came as seed labelled Crocus oreocreticus, is this identified correctly?
Thank you
Rimmer
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This crocus came as seed identified as Crocus thomasii planted in early 2008, is this identified correctly?
Thank you
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This came in 2009 as seed from the same donor also as Crocus thomasii, is this correct?
Thanks Rimmer
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This crocus came as seed identified as Crocus thomasii planted in early 2008, is this identified correctly?
Thank you
Yellow style branches & white anthers suggest not.
This came in 2009 as seed from the same donor also as Crocus thomasii, is this correct?
Thanks Rimmer
Style branch colour is correct but anther colour is not.
I suspect both may be hybrids.
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A couple of mine. I have had lots in bud but no sun or warmth to open them and they just elongate and fall over
Crocus cancellatus ssp pamphylicus
Crocus pulchellus
Crocus nerimaniae
Superb C. nerimaniae, Tony !! :o
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Yellow style branches & white anthers suggest not.
Style branch colour is correct but anther colour is not.
I suspect both may be hybrids.
I think much the same. The white anthers look depauperate, no evidence of pollen, so the colour may be misleading. I have some very different things labelled as thomasii and suspect hybrids of cultivation here too, perhaps with C hadriaticus or C cartwrightianus
BTW the Crocus oreocreticus looks fine and all of them look healthy and beautiful!
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some new flowers today:
Cr.biflorus ssp.melantherus
cartwrightianus, seedling from 'Albus' hort.
oreocreticus, pale form
tournefortii
and medius 'Millesimo'
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I have some very different things labelled as thomasii and suspect hybrids of cultivation here too, perhaps with C hadriaticus or C cartwrightianus
BTW the Crocus oreocreticus looks fine and all of them look healthy and beautiful!
Tony, could the culprit pollinator be C. orecocreticus? i have several Crocus seed lots from the same NARGS donor, listed as C. thomasii and C. oreocreticus from different years and they all seem to look similar to my newbie eyes. You blessed the one with the most narrow tepals as C. orcocreticus but here are several others blooming now- they all close up at night.
Rimmer
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are these wiggly leaves of C. laevigatus a virus sympton?
Thanks Rimmer
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Crocus lavigatus ex White Mtns, Crete
NARGS 2008 seed 2nd year blooming- seems earlier than last year.
Rimmer
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Tony, could the culprit pollinator be C. orecocreticus? i have several Crocus seed lots from the same NARGS donor, listed as C. thomasii and C. oreocreticus from different years and they all seem to look similar to my newbie eyes. You blessed the one with the most narrow tepals as C. orcocreticus but here are several others blooming now- they all close up at night.
Rimmer
Yes, I'd include Crocus oreocreticus as a possible cross .... or perhaps they are all oreocreticus variants?
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last of the blooms of Crocus speciousus ssp. xantholaimos from seed started fall 2008
is this one correct? it has yellow center, or a hybrid again?
Rimmer
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Yes, I'd include Crocus oreocreticus as a possible cross .... or perhaps they are all oreocreticus variants?
here is another example that came as seed from C. thomasii that may be C. orecreticus or a cross of the two
Rimmer
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Just came from the country house, where some of my crocuses were in full bloom.
Have resized few pix to show in the forum.
crocus speciousus 'Cloudy Sky' (my selection).
After careful propagation from a single bulb I planted it in an open garden 2 years ago, where it felt very good and grew extremely vigorous. It grows upt to 25 sm tall, produces very bold tubes and big flowers. Very bold type and very showy, not mentioning its nice colouration.
Cloudy Sky is very good grower with me, too. Thank you, Zhirair. It is quite special for its creamy (not yellow) anthers and medium yellow throat.
I'm now in Greece where finally found Crocus speciosus - by flower quite typical but DNA will be needed to check its status due far isolation from other populations. It was my 4-th attempt to find it and finally succesful.
Janis
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Zhirair,
Your goulimyi Mani White bed looks great!
I have some Crocus speciosus Cassiope which look strange. They acted the same way last year.
Virused? I would like to hear the experts opinion.
Crocus kotschyanus HKEP.9205
Crocus serotinus clusii Poseidon
Poul
Poul, you must to check leaves in spring. Don't like flower on third picture, but too little to see. Exerting of stigme - some clones are such - I have similar cancellatus, by the way - spectacular.
Janis
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are these wiggly leaves of C. laevigatus a virus sympton?
Thanks Rimmer
Not easy to judge but I don't think that it is virus.
Janis
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last of the blooms of Crocus speciousus ssp. xantholaimos from seed started fall 2008
is this one correct? it has yellow center, or a hybrid again?
Rimmer
Looks true.
Janis
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As I haven't on my laptop programs for picture editing, now I'm attaching only one foto of Crocus speciosus in Western Greece (sorry, no more details, as it is extremely rare here). More pictures I will try to show next week when I will be in home.
Janis
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last of the blooms of Crocus speciousus ssp. xantholaimos from seed started fall 2008
is this one correct? it has yellow center, or a hybrid again?
Rimmer
Broad petals remind me of pulchellus but if none of the seedlings have white anthers then you most likely have true plant. I cannot get pure seed from this here as it always hybridises with pulchellus and I do not have time to organise isolating them at present.
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Some fantastic croci here!
Finally the first autumnflowering crocus in my garden: Crocus cambessedesii!
Apologies for poor picture quality, it was taken with the mobile phone.
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The picture may supposedly be poor, but the flower is exquisite, Hans !!
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Crocus vallicola blooming on 8 Oct in a peat-silica sand bed. This was started from Archibald seed in 2008 and the largest corm was replanted in this location in August 2012. The seeds were grown in a woodsy soil mix in a sunken cold frame (bunker) with little to no frost. Will C. vallicola survive outside through a zone 5 winter (-20F) in a damp location like this?
Thanks
Rimmer
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Broad petals remind me of pulchellus but if none of the seedlings have white anthers then you most likely have true plant.
here is a photo of the same seed lot of C. speciousus xantholaimos -photo taken on 8 Oct- no white anthers
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I understand that the yellow center is the distinction of C. speciousus xantholaimos from C. speciousus speciousus. however the C. speciousus available on the marked from the Dutch bulb trade also have a yellow center but are larger and darker color.
are these identified correctly?
Tanks again
Rimmer
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These came as a seed lot identified as Crocus kotschyanus, but there are several plants that have a white base like Crocus kotschyanus leucopharynx.
do these Crocus kotschyanus forms interbreed or do they keep true?
Thanks
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Hans,
your Crocus cambessedesii looks wonderful.
Here some pictures from my garden:
Cr.boryi x tournefortii, thanks Tony G.
caspius
hadriaticus, selection with unusual colour
hadriaticus x sativus 'Cashmerianus' F2 crosses in blue and white
a botanical sister: Romulea macowanii from S-Africa, a bit yellow between this only blue and white Crocusses
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These came as a seed lot identified as Crocus kotschyanus, but there are several plants that have a white base like Crocus kotschyanus leucopharynx.
do these Crocus kotschyanus forms interbreed or do they keep true?
Thanks
Seedlings of leucopharynx split in true leucopharynx and typical kotschyanus.
Janis
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The picture may supposedly be poor, but the flower is exquisite, Hans !!
Thanks a lot Luc and Dirk, I think this Crocus is worth a better picture. :D
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At long last! The first of the C.speciosus ( I think ? ) beginning to flower in the garden today. Many more 'noses' just peeping through.
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Nice Ron,nice patch of iris as well is it attica?
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I.reichenbachii Davey. A nice patch of I attica grows about four feet behind it, ;D
Also a Salix reticulata and one that was meant to be S. r. nivalis, but isn't ! ::)
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Just to prove I do still grow crocuses! Here are a few from what promises to be a very good flowering this autumn. The bad news is that I am away for ten days soon and will miss a lot of them :'(
In a raised bed, Crocus boryi x tournefortii
Crocus niveus, just love these bicolored ones.
Crocus pulchellus 'albus' which pops up around the garden having been planted out a few times. It's a survivor!
A close up of a southern form of Crocus serotinus salzmannii
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Another unexpected beauty from Greece - Crocus melantherus form seen at Stemnitsa and it immediately got name 'Gold'.
Janis
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:o :o Wow super stuff Janis thank for taking us along on your trip.
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A couple of mine
Crocus pulchellus from Mt Vertisikos in Greece
Crocus mathewii
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A couple of mine
Crocus pulchellus from Mt Vertisikos in Greece
Crocus mathewii
Super pot full of Pulchellus Tony are they a mixed cloned pot of Mathewii as well?
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David
yes they are both from seed I collected so several individual plants in each pot and I think the pulchellus is a lovely thing .
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Last winter I lost my Crocus mathewii, and I ordered two bulbs from a well known supplier. I was happy when I received them as they were quite big and healthy. But what a disappointment when they opened!
Now I search for a better coloured clone.
Poul
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I was in the Peloponnese last week and was able to see lots of Crocus boryi and Crocus niveus but not one C. goulimyi, still too much like summer with daytime temperatures of 28 degrees
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Last winter I lost my Crocus mathewii, and I ordered two bulbs from a well known supplier. I was happy when I received them as they were quite big and healthy. But what a disappointment when they opened!
Now I search for a better coloured clone.
Poul
It looks as Crocus hadriaticus. Happy that you didn't receive this "mathewii" from me. I think that my stock is clean. I suppose that I know source of your plants.
Janis
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It looks as Crocus hadriaticus. Happy that you didn't receive this "mathewii" from me. I think that my stock is clean. I suppose that I know source of your plants.
Janis
Janis, you are right, they are not from you. All the bulbs I have got from you have been true to name and of very good quality not to mention that they are always send out in the beginning of August. ;)
But until now I have been satisfied with the supplier of these 'mathewii' , so I think that it will most fair to contact him and tell about his unclean stock.
Exciting crocus you have found in Greece! I wish you all luck with further findings!
Poul
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Janis, you are right, they are not from you. All the bulbs I have got from you have been true to name and of very good quality not to mention that they are always send out in the beginning of August. ;)
But until now I have been satisfied with the supplier of these 'mathewii' , so I think that it will most fair to contact him and tell about his unclean stock.
Poul
Poul - I can guess who your supplier is & will be interested to hear how he responds. A response I have had more than once is " species are variable"!
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Poul - I can guess who your supplier is & will be interested to hear how he responds. A response I have had more than once is " species are variable"!
Gerry i have had that very same quote
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Janis, you are right, they are not from you. All the bulbs I have got from you have been true to name and of very good quality not to mention that they are always send out in the beginning of August. ;)
But until now I have been satisfied with the supplier of these 'mathewii' , so I think that it will most fair to contact him and tell about his unclean stock.
Exciting crocus you have found in Greece! I wish you all luck with further findings!
Poul
I got identical plants under name "oreocreticus"- from 10 plants only 3 were true. Although earlier I was very satisfied with that source, too. May be some mix made by mice?
Janis
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On first 3 pictures - Crocus speciosus, next is goulimyi. Further can't identify.
Janis
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I had the exact same response from the (likely) vendor of Poul's Crocus, when sent C. angustifolius instead of cvijicii a few years ago. When I received a Biarum tenuifolium instead of a B. ditschianum, on the other hand, I was told that this simply could not have happened. I guess I must have hallucinated it?
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Rather cold and overcast this afternoon so this pot of Crocus pulchellus from Macedonia Northern Greece was brought inside to watch it open up.
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Lovely images, Melvyn - puts me in mind of dancers in the 'corps de ballet'!
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Crocus ochroleucus- first time flowering for me
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Crocus capius
first time flowering for seed sown in 2009
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Another form of C. oreocreticus
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Rather cold and overcast this afternoon so this pot of Crocus pulchellus from Macedonia Northern Greece was brought inside to watch it open up.
That's a very striking & unusual (?) colour Melvyn. I'm used to seeing C. pulchellus as lilac-blue. Is the photograph accurate?
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Very accurate to my eyes Gerry, I wonder how much the black background influences the way the colour is seen? ...... by cameras or humans!
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Very accurate to my eyes Gerry, I wonder how much the black background influences the way the colour is seen? ...... by cameras or humans!
It must be the background. Compare these with Tony's plants from Mount Vertsikos - posted above -against a different background.
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Janis, you are right, they are not from you. All the bulbs I have got from you have been true to name and of very good quality not to mention that they are always send out in the beginning of August. ;)
But until now I have been satisfied with the supplier of these 'mathewii' , so I think that it will most fair to contact him and tell about his unclean stock.
Exciting crocus you have found in Greece! I wish you all luck with further findings!
Poul
The supplier has admitted that the colouring of these 'mathewii' isn't correct and that these seedlings should have been rogued out during last season. He has promised to send some replacements next year. That is an answer of a responsible supplier, and I will gladly buy bulbs from him again.
Poul
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Rimmer, in Michigan, thanks for sharing your lovely crocus with us. Great to see the range of Croconuts around the world! ;) :D
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The supplier has admitted that the colouring of these 'mathewii' isn't correct and that these seedlings should have been rogued out during last season. He has promised to send some replacements next year. That is an answer of a responsible supplier, and I will gladly buy bulbs from him again.
Poul
Poul so is it still mathewii or another sp,if it is still mathewii why is it that because of us humans it needs pulling because it hasn't got the fashionable purple centre,also can i ask why is it all of a sudden purple centred forms of other sp are being found,were they always there but not considered noteworthy or is the purple center to all these sp hybridisation in progress?Not by growers but naturaly before i get my head chopped off for implying something.Have they all evolved from one sp which had a purple centre in the beginning and then genetically changed from there.
Sorry for all the questions.
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The supplier has admitted that the colouring of these 'mathewii' isn't correct and that these seedlings should have been rogued out during last season. He has promised to send some replacements next year. That is an answer of a responsible supplier, and I will gladly buy bulbs from him again.
Poul
Poul - possibly "the colouring of these 'mathewiii' isn't correct" because they are C. hadriaticus as Janis suggested.
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Very accurate to my eyes Gerry, I wonder how much the black background influences the way the colour is seen? ...... by cameras or humans!
This question motivated me to take pictures with different "cameras" of the same small group of dark Crocus cambessedesii to see how different the same plants/colours are shown - especially "blues" seem to vary from camera to camera.
First was taken by Mobilephone (Samsung), second by Bridge camera (Lumix) and third by Reflex camera (Nikon)
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The supplier has admitted that the colouring of these 'mathewii' isn't correct and that these seedlings should have been rogued out during last season. He has promised to send some replacements next year. That is an answer of a responsible supplier, and I will gladly buy bulbs from him again.
Got the same answer of a supplier when I had received a wrong pink mathewii a few years ago, the replacement was as wrong as the first plant - it was pink, but it was not mathewii...
Hope you have better luck.
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Here a couple from me
photos 1 and 2Crocus salzmanii el torcal offsets given by a good friend a couple of years ago
Crocus gilanicus from yet another forumist in 2006. Can't recall whether this was from seed or bulbils :-\
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Here a couple from me
photos 1 and 2Crocus salzmanii el torcal offsets given by a good friend a couple of years ago
Crocus gilanicus from yet another forumist in 2006. Can't recall whether this was from seed or bulbils :-\
Nice C. salzmanii Ian .
I am confused about the gilanicus . He looks quit different from what I grows as gilanicus ?
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Poul so is it still mathewii or another sp,if it is still mathewii why is it that because of us humans it needs pulling because it hasn't got the fashionable purple centre,also can i ask why is it all of a sudden purple centred forms of other sp are being found,were they always there but not considered noteworthy or is the purple center to all these sp hybridisation in progress?Not by growers but naturaly before i get my head chopped off for implying something.Have they all evolved from one sp which had a purple centre in the beginning and then genetically changed from there.
Sorry for all the questions.
Davey,
I am no crocus expert, but I will try answering the best I can.
I am not sure if it is mathewii, hadriaticus or maybe asumaniae. The corm tunic of mathewii and hadriaticus are quite different, so when I lift them identification will be easier.
According to Janis Ruksans mathewii can be quite variable, with more or less purple throat. Albino forms exist too. To my opinion the white form with a dark purple throat is the most beautiful. Other people may have other favourites and many search for rarer forms. Mathewii is a relatively new species, so maybe in some time, it will be divided in some subspecies.
I don't know why some crocus species develop purple throats, but in general crocus are very variable in nature, just look at chrysanthus or biflorus. It is hardly hybridization in nature unless compatible species are brought together and then one can discuss if this is nature. I don't think purple throats are something new, it is more a question of fashion and the fact that many people find it attractive, that these forms are collected and shown.
Wether all crocus species are evolved from a single species I think only God can answer.
But the fact that there are so many crocus species and such a variation make that genius very exciting.
Poul
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Nice C. salzmanii Ian .
I am confused about the gilanicus . He looks quit different from what I grows as gilanicus ?
Hi Kris
You are quite right to be suspicious the plant does not look like gilanicus for a start leaves are present and the flowers are large. It is strange though as I have checked the label and it was raised from seed from a good source. Whether it is a case of swiched labels, hybridisation or a mix up at the growers end who knows but I will try to do a little detective work. Meanwhile would be interested in any opinions as to what it is as this may assist the search. Is it serotinus salzmanii??
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If memory serves, 'El Torcal' is a selection of C. serotinus with large flowers. I had it years ago. I think 'El Torcal' is the name of a Spanish village or perhaps a mountain.
Edit: ‘El Torcal’ was introduced by Henning Christiansen in 1973 from a collection (HC 3069a) made near Antequera. See AGS Bull. 65 (4) p 407, 1997.
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El Torcal is a magnificent limestone formation covering a large area outside the town of Antequera not far from Malaga. The crocus is widespread across the whole of it. It has a wonderful selection of flowers including paeonies and orchids and Iris planifolia in large numbers. The nearby reservoir has at times large numbers of flamingos on it.
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But the fact that there are so many crocus species and such a variation make that genius very exciting.
Poul
I agree Poul, these plants exert a great fascination for the Croconuts because of their variety.
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El Torcal is a magnificent limestone formation covering a large area outside the town of Antequera not far from Malaga. The crocus is widespread across the whole of it. It has a wonderful selection of flowers including paeonies and orchids and Iris planifolia in large numbers. The nearby reservoir has at times large numbers of flamingos on it.
A beautiful place.
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Crocus laevigatus in flower today.
I also noticed that when I brought Crocus nerimaniae into the kitchen to pollinate it ,it had a very strong scent something not noticeable in the cold and draughty greenhouse.
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Crocus ligusticus
From collections by David Stephens (DBS98-47) and Peter Bird & Mike Salmon (BS376); Italy, Liguria between Carcare & Ferrania.
This does not seem to increase vegetatively & rarely sets seed. Unfortunately my last batch of seedlings was killed in the harsh winter of 2010-11. The flower is somewhat smaller than usual this year
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Gerry,
I like this attractive, highly contrasting form of C. ligusticus with the white center and dark stripes in the throat 8)
I don't know if this is the nominate wild form or the forms with the dark center (usually cultivated).
Unfortunately, I lost C. ligusticus last winter by bare frosts, just after 2 seasons. Never got any seeds.
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Armin - this is the wild form. The form which is commercially available & usually cultivated is very slightly later with me.
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Stunning Crocus hadriaticus x 'Purple Heart' in my garden from Janis.
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After a cold period with snow, finally some new flowers.
Crocus gilanicus
laevigatus, dark blue and goldback form
longiflorus
nerimaniae
tournefortii, a pale form
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Some October crocus. I was delayed in getting photos from camera to computer.
Crocus banaticus - Dark Form - from John Grimshaw many years ago
Crocus banaticus 'Snowdrift' flowering a week later
Crocus mathewii
Crocus speciosus 'Albus' flowering earlier than the normal species
Crocus cancellatus spp. lycius aka C. lycius - profile
C. cancellatus ssp. lycius - it never quite opened in a spell of cool weather.
More to follow
Jim
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More from October
I should note that C. bananticus -Dark Form in the previous post is darker then the photo shows.
Crocus asumaniae
2 Crocus cartwrightianus 'Marcel' - open flower and profile
Crocus goulimyi 'Mani White' - I notice most postings show pollen staining. Mine did so upon opening the pollen must be an early shedder.
2 Crocus goulimyi 'Agia Sofia' - Melvyn Jope's fine selection. The photo doesn't capture the unique coloring.
Jim
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part 3 of Oct crocuses from WA state
2 Crocus hadriaticus 'Jumbo' - the flowers are so large it never stands up. I had to tip the pot at an angle to get it "upright"
2 Crocus hadriaticus 'Purple Heart' with four inter tepals and four outers. Is that normal? I don't find any reference to this.
2 Crocus kotschyanus HKEP 9205 - the white pollen look so exotic - on any crocus.
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part 4 - some of them are still in bloom now, holding flowers in cooler temps.