Crocus October-2012

[Armin]

in the pots:
Crocus hadriaticus x sativus F1 hybrid

Hello Dirk,
a very interesting cross! Nice patterned. How long did it last to bring it to flower?
Did you try to cross C. hadriaticus with C. cartwrightianus, C. oreocreticus and C. thomasii too?

[David Nicholson]

Only my second of the season and nothing more showing at the moment. Crocus pulchellus, a kind gift from Tony Willis in 2008.

[daveyp1970]

David it's very slow here as well Crocus Serotinus Clusii
Crocus by daveyp2012, on Flickr

[udo]

Hello Dirk,
a very interesting cross! Nice patterned. How long did it last to bring it to flower?
Did you try to cross C. hadriaticus with C. cartwrightianus, C. oreocreticus and C. thomasii too?

Armin, this hybrid is from 2002, she has used 3 or 4 years up to the first blossom.
Actually, has I have made them because I have got this hadriaticus as sativus Albus. At that time it was one of the last blossoms of this hadraticus and the first blossom from sativus. With the other blue species from this group I have not cruised, sativus just has the biggest blossom.

[pontus]

crocus palasii turcicus in full bloom here, although finishing its bloom as I write.

Enjoying the only really sunny warm day last week to open nicely

I think it is a nice sp, but prefer the more purple darker form shown earlier in this thread...

Pontus

[tonyg]

David it's very slow here as well Crocus Serotinus Clusii
Crocus by daveyp2012, on Flickr

100% Crocus speciosus I'm afraid 

[Armin]

Thanks Dirk for the background info of this lovely cross.
Is it sterile or fertile?

[Armin]

100% Crocus speciosus I'm afraid 

I agree Tony, looks like C. speciosus.
But did you notice the whitish /(defective?) anthers?. Maybe some pulchellus genes involved...

Dave,
I have a hunch of the origin purchase...

[daveyp1970]

Cheers Tony and Armin for that,i had been discussing this plant with Ron of the forum about its identity and that something was just not right about it.
Armin i bought from a fellow forum member on here,when he was selling his surplus stuff,to be fair he his not known for his crocus.Now to find some true Clusii corms.

[Armin]

Dave,
C. speciosus and C. pulchellus cross very easy if you keep them close together. Not unattractive croci at all.

Your pot still shows more shots. Nothing lost yet - maybe the others are true C. serotinus

[daveyp1970]

Dave,
C. speciosus and C. pulchellus cross very easy if you keep them close together. Not unattractive croci at all.

Your pot still shows more shots. Nothing lost yet - maybe the others are true C. serotinus

Armin i have a spare potfull if you would like them later when go dormant.

[Gerry Webster]

A few years ago C. speciosus was commonly substituted for C. serotinus  in the trade. It may still be for all I know.

[tonyg]

I agree Tony, looks like C. speciosus.
But did you notice the whitish /(defective?) anthers?. Maybe some pulchellus genes involved...

No, failed to notice.  Just took in the classic specious shape and colouring.  Anthers look defective but you could well be right about poss hybridity.

[udo]

Thanks Dirk for the background info of this lovely cross.
Is it sterile or fertile?

Armin, this Crocus is fertile. You find flowers from F2 crosses last autumn in our forum.

[pontus]

a speciosus maybe, but a very nice intense blue speciosus. Mine tend to veer towards violet shades or deep blue, not as intense blue as yours. If you ever have any spare i could swap you some of my speciosus types...or perhaps find you some clusii if i come across any...