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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Sinchets on March 01, 2009, 12:43:04 PM
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Two more crocus from the bulb frame- both are also outside somewhere under snow and i hope to see them again soon.
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A patch of Crocus pestalozzae in the open garden. The snow here melted around 12:30pm today and the crocus flowers were pressed tightly against the ground. The photo sequence shows pictures taken at 2:00, 2:30 and 3:00 pm and shows clearly a speedy recovery.
The 4th picture is of Crocus korolkowii post snowmelt. It first flowered 2 weeks ago, before the snowfall, and is now extending its second flower.
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Simon
interesting Crocus pestalozzae being blue,mine are all white.Do you know the origin of yours?
Three in flower today
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolor
Crocus veluchensis
Crocus pelistericus the first one in flower this year.
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Hi Tony. It is the 'caeruleus' form and it came from Rare Plants originally. This was the first time i'd thought about checking if it was true- and it does have the dark spots inside that are supposed to be the species characteristic. Can I ask where your pelistericus came from?
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Simon
my pelistericus is from my own seed originally from Mt Kymachalan in Greece.I have been growing it for many years and have several generations coming on.
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Thanks- it's on my list for places to visit this Spring/ Summer. Was it easy to find it in seed?
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Thanks- it's on my list for places to visit this Spring/ Summer. Was it easy to find it in seed?
It grows in millions so no problem if you are there at the right time which is probably mid summer. It flowers end of April/beginning of May
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Thanks again for the info- looking forward to finding both Crocus pelistericus and C.scardicus to have a go at making hybrids ;)
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Good luck with that Simon. :)
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Thanks again for the info- looking forward to finding both Crocus pelistericus and C.scardicus to have a go at making hybrids ;)
Have you ever tried hybridization before? I'd love to hear and watch your progress : )
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The bees do most of the work here in the garden- but having seen the results of Crocus x goteburgensis (scardicus x pelistericus) online at Crocus x goteburgensis (scardicus x pelistericus) (http://Crocus x goteburgensis (scardicus x pelistericus)) I'd love to try myself. :)
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Tony love the C. pelistericus such a rich colour must be a magnificent show in the wild 8)
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Regardless of minus 6 C outside this morning I started to take off covering in my greenhouses. Found that all Central Asians are in full buds under glass-wool sheets as well as C. baytopiorum, Uschak Orange and some others. Several Iris reticulata hybrids (danfordiae x sophenensis) raised by Alan McMurtrie even opened flowers regardless of cover. Some light enters through 5 cm thick sheets. Still blooms 1 stock of Crocus biflorus melantherus which started in autumn as well as a pair of laevigatus but the last are not of so good shape as melantherus. Some of winter/spring colchicums continued/started blooming, too. The earliest form of Colchicum luteum shows nice bright golden buds.
Janis
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Just few shots made few minutes ago
Janis
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Janis - i knew that grow a lot of Crocus there- but i'd never appreciated how big your greenhouses were!
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Janis, is that Crocus michelsonii 'Turkmenian Night', or another dark form?
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There's an article on Crocus classification in the March edition of The Plantsman.
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"Crocus corsicus"
This is a current trade form. The yellow in the throat suggests it is a hybrid (with C.imperatii?).
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Yes reading it now, Giles.
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We saw a delectable Crocus tommasianus Rosea throughout the lawn at John Grimshaw's garden. Pink with white on the exteriors. Unfortunately I forgot to ask if it is commercially available. Would anyone know?
johnw
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This one?
http://www.marksgardenplants.com/crocus%20tommie%20roseus.html (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/crocus%20tommie%20roseus.html)
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My Crocus season is rapidly coming to an end now. Here is Crocus corsicus 'Col de Bavella' from Dirk.
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This one?
http://www.marksgardenplants.com/crocus%20tommie%20roseus.html (http://www.marksgardenplants.com/crocus%20tommie%20roseus.html)
That be the one and a great shot. Now where to find it or selfed seed?
johnw
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ask and you receive ::)
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Janis, I'm glad to see you and your chum have sturdy gloves on your hands. :) But what a wonderful sight when you lifted the fleece, to find all those buds. I hope the sun comes out for you very soon.
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An identification please : I bought this crocus some years ago as Crocus serotinus ssp. clusii, but it reveals quickly to flower in spring. Nevertheless, as nomenclature is difficult, I'm not able to name it : an idea ?
And a picture of Crocus abantensis, still incredible with its somptuous blue ;), and one of C. biflorus ssp. weldenii 'Albus', very fine in real in the sun !
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Crocus malyi ‘Sveti Roc’ (sic)
From a collection by Antoine Hoog (AH 8651), on the road from Obrovac to Sveti Rok, Croatia.
Edit: Curiously, the recent phylogenetic analysis suggests that C. malyi is most closely related to C. banaticus.
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another identification please : this bulb was commercialised by Dix as Crocus candidus ssp. subflavus, but this name is not included on the alpine house website http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/
nevertheless, I think that the very wide leaves are very specific : isn't it ?
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another identification please : this bulb was commercialised by Dix as Crocus candidus ssp. subflavus, but this name is not included on the alpine house website http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/
nevertheless, I think that the very wide leaves are very specific : isn't it ?
Francois - according to the RHS database this is a synonym for C. olivieri subsp olivieri.
http://www.rhs.org.uk/databases/summary2.asp?crit=crocus%20and%20candidus%20and%20subflavus&Genus=Crocus
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Thank you Gerry :). Do you think identification of the violet one is possible without detail about the corm ?
Finally, I presented last year a Crocus biflorus ssp. biflorus 4-mere : it is still like that this year, and I'm waiting for its second flower to assure this point
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Thank you Gerry :). Do you think identification of the violet one is possible without detail about the corm ?
Francois - I'm not very good at identifying crocus from photos so I'll leave it to Thomas or Tony. I'm sure a description of the corm would be helpful if you have it.
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Janis, is that Crocus michelsonii 'Turkmenian Night', or another dark form?
No, it is pot with my own selection. I haven't more Leonid's TURKMENIAN NIGHT. At that moment I have only his ODISSEY.
Janis
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An identification please : I bought this crocus some years ago as Crocus serotinus ssp. clusii, but it reveals quickly to flower in spring. Nevertheless, as nomenclature is difficult, I'm not able to name it : an idea ?
Bio, I would guess this is a form of Crocus vernus, but to be 100% sure I prefer to have a look at the corm tunic.
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So, answer this summer ;) : thank you Thomas, and hope to see you soon :)
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Crocus vernus albiflorus and Crocus korolkowii
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Last year I purchased both C. oliviere ssp. oliviere and C. candidus var. subflavus from Minature Bulbs.
Sorry about the photographs taken today but they are seriously going over.
The first picture shows oliviere on the left (square pot) and candicus on the right (round pot)
I am not a botanist but I would say that the two crocus show differences. Oliviere has broader leaves than candicus, its flower is a rich egg yolk yellow and it has long roots coming out of the bottom of its tall, square pot. Candicus has narrower leaves and a much paler flower.
I think it would be difficult to give different written descriptions of the plants but seen side by side it is quite clear.
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another identification please : this bulb was commercialised by Dix as Crocus candidus ssp. subflavus, but this name is not included on the alpine house website http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/
nevertheless, I think that the very wide leaves are very specific : isn't it ?
From memory - Crocus candidus var subflavus = Crocus olivieri. It shares the few broad leaves and some other key features of Crocus olivieri. The name you have has been attached to a plant in commerce not a wild specimen. It is not a subspecies. Ibrahim posted a pic of wild C candidus last year which was a pale orange but not the vivid yellow of this plant.
edit - I now see Gerry has answered in the same vein
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Crocus vernus albiflorus and Crocus korolkowii
Crocus vernus albiflorus with a yellow throat would be a new find! Could it be Crocus sieberi? or a biflorus ssp? Show is a side view ;)
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To add to the above discussion a patch of a crocus bought as Crocus olivieri balansae -the flowers are not stripped on the back, as i thought theyy would be, but are a rich egg-yolk yellow, the leaves are not very broad at all. I suppose that this shows that when it comes to yellow crocus there's a lot of misnamed stuff out there.
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OK, thanks Tony and Simon.
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An identification please : I bought this crocus some years ago as Crocus serotinus ssp. clusii, but it reveals quickly to flower in spring. Nevertheless, as nomenclature is difficult, I'm not able to name it : an idea ?
Bio, I would guess this is a form of Crocus vernus, but to be 100% sure I prefer to have a look at the corm tunic.
My vote is Crocus tommasinianus or a hybrid of that species and Crocus vernus. The complete absence of markings on the outside of the flower throat plus the lilac colour suggest C tommasinianus but the overall shape and petal width hint at C vernus blood.
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Crocus vernus albiflorus and Crocus korolkowii
Crocus vernus albiflorus with a yellow throat would be a new find! Could it be Crocus sieberi? or a biflorus ssp? Show is a side view ;)
Hi Tony. I will try and get a side shot of it tomorrow. It was bought as Crocus vernus albiflorus and I was just trying to find the thread where Janis was apologising for any mix up, but I couldn't see if any name for it dbeen resolved.
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Crocus vernus albiflorus and Crocus korolkowii
Crocus vernus albiflorus with a yellow throat would be a new find! Could it be Crocus sieberi? or a biflorus ssp? Show is a side view ;)
Hi Tony. I will try and get a side shot of it tomorrow. It was bought as Crocus vernus albiflorus and I was just trying to find the thread where Janis was apologising for any mix up, but I couldn't see if any name for it dbeen resolved.
Janis' post that you refer to is reply 274 here:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3031.msg77196#msg77196
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Thanks Maggi. I love it anyway, whatever it ends up being called :)
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Simon, your C. olivieri looks very much like C. flavus!
Tony you might be right about Bio's Crocus, havn't noticed the white stem
which points for tommie-blood.
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ask and you receive ::)
I ask! With thanks.
johnw
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another identification please : this bulb was commercialised by Dix as Crocus candidus ssp. subflavus, but this name is not included on the alpine house website http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/
nevertheless, I think that the very wide leaves are very specific : isn't it ?
From memory - Crocus candidus var subflavus = Crocus olivieri. It shares the few broad leaves and some other key features of Crocus olivieri. The name you have has been attached to a plant in commerce not a wild specimen. It is not a subspecies. Ibrahim posted a pic of wild C candidus last year which was a pale orange but not the vivid yellow of this plant.
edit - I now see Gerry has answered in the same vein
I got my info from the RHS database. According to BM, these plants are "probably forms or hybrids of C. olivieri". Relying on my memory of a plant grown long ago, I'm inclined to think the latter.
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Simon, your C. olivieri looks very much like C. flavus!
Spot on Thomas - looks like the same plant I saw at Harlow AGS Show on Saturday also labelled as C olivieri but clearly Crocus flavus. (I did not click the pic to see it properly first time :P)
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Simon, your C. olivieri looks very much like C. flavus!
Thanks Thomas that'd be about right- fetching Crocus flavus all the way across Europe to an area which has Crocus flavus by the field load ::)
Maybe we need to label them all like the Dutch packets you see in garden centres 'Specie Crocus- Orange'
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Many crocus are out, but the sun wasn't strong enough to open them, so I only have a few to show:
- chrysanthus with black anthers
- michelsonii Odissey
- angustifolius, welcoming everybody at a friends house door
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The world of bulbs is certainly a lucky dip-reminds me of buying cheap tins of food where the labels have come off. Crocus 'Baked Beans' when i thought i had Crocus 'Pineapple Slices' ;)
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Unfortunately you rarely open the bean tin to find caviar :(
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Unfortunately you rarely open the bean tin to find caviar :(
Does that explain why you don't see Crocus flavus offered for sale much- it's the 'universal lubricant' for selling a range of similar species. I guess some people are better at shaking the tin and hearing the beans.
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some new flowers today:
Crocus x veluchensis 'Rainbowgold',a cross between veluchensis and cvijicii
michelsonii from Iran
sieheanus
sieberi ssp.nivalis
x reticulatus, ( reticulatus x angustifolius)
aerius, possibly a hybrid
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and more:
Crocus biflorus ssp.crewei
`` nubigena , thanks Thomas
`` ??? Belpinar Gec
`` ??? Goktepe
bornmuelleri
abantensis
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Dirk
Put me on the waiting list for the ??? species and the bornmulleri! All those you have posted are superb :)
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Goodness me, no shortage of insect pollinators at Dirk's crocus, is there? Makes a change from hearing about those "Snowdrop Lunches" to see a really busy Crocus Lunch ;D
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Yes! I meant to ask Dirk if he keeps bees ;D
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... and who says bees are getting rare!
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In flower now.
Various forms of Crocus cvijcii.
Two different seedlings of Crocus corsicus - no yellow in the throat.
Crocus vernus National Park - one of Janis's finest
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I revisted the local crocus plantings on my way to a talk in Bedford last night. Some sunshine opend the flowers ... a little ;)
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Dear Heaven! How could one NOT be a croconut? 8) 8) 8)
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WOW what a bunch of great Crocus everyone ! :o :o
Stunning pictures and planhts !
Good to see that Germany seems to have thawed at last and Thomas and Dirk are catching up !! ;D
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:o :o :o
Unbelievable display, I can only dream of ever seeing something like this.
I hope the more fortunate never take something like this for granted. :)
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A few from last week.
Crocus heuffelianus carpathian wonder.
Crocus heuffelianus national park
Crocus tommasinianus LAVENDER STRIPED
Crocus tommasinianus Yalta
Crocus vernus subsp.vernus Oradea
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Crocus vernus subsp.vernus f. graecus
Crocus scepusiensis var leucostigma
Crocus tommasinianus Pictus
Crocus biflorus subsp taurii
Crocus kosaninii
Crocus tommasinianus Ruby Giant
Crocus veluchensis
Crocus vernus ?
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Nice series Michael !
Isn't "carpathian wonder" a real beauty ??
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Wonderful Crocus Michael
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The plant i am currently growing as Crocus kosaninii , followed by Crocus pestalozzae, fully recovered from several weeks under its blanket of snow, and the first of the Crocus veluchensis 'Pearl of Rhodopi'. Also a side view of the plant shown yesterday as 'Crocus vernus albiflorus'. Happy to change can labels if anyone has suggestions. ;)
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Great shots.
is it a strawberry in the 1st photo?
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Michael, your vernus graecus looks badly virused >:(
You better get rid of them - soon!!
Simon, Crocus kosaninii should have a yellow throat.
Yours look like tommasinianus to me :-\
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Simon, Crocus kosaninii should have a yellow throat. Yours look like tommasinianus to me :-\
Hi Thomas. Does Crocus tommasinianus have such small varieties this one is no bigger than the plant I am growing as Crocus pestalozzae. I am just used to C.tommasinianus being huge in comparison.
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Not impossible, Simon. Tommie varieties can vary from extra large to very small and
always lack a yellow throat.
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BD and I think Simon's "vernus albiflorus" is a sieberi........ Thomas??
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BD and I think Simon's "vernus albiflorus" is a sieberi........ Thomas??
Sorry, I forgot - I'm with Mr. Young!
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Could it be Crocus sieberi sieberi? Please ::)
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One of the final few to flower. Crocus malyi.
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Meanwhile in a different part of the garden this Crocus opened up today - Crocus kosaninii anyone? Also a plant I grow as Crocus biflorus isauricus [?]and ones which I am pretty sure are Crocus sieberi 'George' and Crocus reticulatus x angustifolius 'Alionka'
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In 2006 I was sent some seed of Crocus heuffelianus and the first ones are just putting on a flower. A darling white one and a blue with well defined markings on the inner petals. I notice that the blue flower has rather pointed tips to the petals whilst the white is more rounded.
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my first attempt at hybridisation the first flower of Crocus x goteburgensis sown July 05 with its parents Crocus pelistericus and the pollen parent Crocus scardicus. It is okay but scarcely different from scardicus,a little paler and slight purple marks to the tips of the petals
Crocus pelistericus
Crocus scardicus
Crocus x goteburgensis
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Tony- don't be too disappointed - the contrast between tohepurple lower and yellow upper on the petals is lovely. Do you by any chance know if it is a self fertile hybrid? You could always work on back crossing it with C.pelistericus if it is.
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Yes, Tony, back cross it...both ways... the Gothenburg Boys have got some really interesting and beautiful colour forms from further generations of back crossing. I quite like your baby...... though how anything could hope tobeat the sheer glamour of pelistericus is beyond me!
Janis showed some of the F2 hybrids in the forum......... :)
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I quite like your baby...... though how anything could hope to beat the sheer glamour of pelistericus is beyond me!
Beyond me too. If Marlene Dietrich had been a crocus she would have looked like this!
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I saw the f2's of Janis and thought they were beautiful.I will be doing the back cross.
These have scardicus as the pollen parent and I have lots of seedlings of the cross with pelistericus as the pollen parent but they will not flower this year.
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Michael, your Vernus graecus looks badly virused
You better get rid of them - soon!!
Thanks Thomas, it is already done. I didn't notice that until I was editing the pics,
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my first attempt at hybridisation the first flower of Crocus x goteburgensis sown July 05 with its parents Crocus pelistericus and the pollen parent Crocus scardicus. It is okay but scarcely different from scardicus,a little paler and slight purple marks to the tips of the petals
Crocus pelistericus
Crocus scardicus
Crocus x goteburgensis
Tony the pelistericus and scardicus are just superb 8) 8) 8)
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Thomas, any sign of your CC. pelistericus and scardicus? :)
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Tony,
beautyful , rare and difficult C. pelistericus and scardicus are still missing in my
collection - a few seeds in due time would be greatly appreciated and given all my
care.
I once had a C. veluchensis ,almost as dark in colour as pelistericus.
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Thomas, any sign of your CC. pelistericus and scardicus? :)
No, but the Iris are growing now. I would guess pelistericus and scardicus will be among
the last Crocus to flower in my garden, so it's not too late for them.
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Tony & Simon,
the blue form of Cr. pestalozzaehas been grown in Australia for at least 50 years,
I do not know if 'caeruleus' is a valid published name ,and it is a slightly larger flower
than the white form I grow, which came to me in 1977. It was collectedin Camlica ,
Turkey , both colour forms are good garden plants.
Simon , Thomas is correct: your Cr. kosaninii [04 march ] is a tommie .
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Today the first sun-rays came through clouds and I ran to greenhouse to watch my crocuses. So many opened (too many for only 3 hours of sun) and many surprises, too. Some of unnamed gatherings still grown only under numbers turned to exceptionally good things.
More moderate surprise on attached pictures. In 2005 our team collected few corms of Crocuses in Turkey in first half of June by dry leaves. One of such stocks we both (I was there only with Arnis Seisums, both friends from Gothenburg BG returned to home 2 days earlier) named Crocus cancellatus (LST-402). In spring of 2007 it bloomed for the first time and was renamed as C. baytopiorum, in autumn between them appeared some C. cancellatus flowers. So two species were collected together as growing side by side. Last autumn I placed all pots of C. baytopiorum together (I have 3 another stocks of it, between them one I bought from commercial nursery in Holland, two got from other collectors, all very similar) and this spring surprised me with very unusual, I would tell even greenish shade of flower color in stock LST-402A. You can compare both on attached pictures.
I can’t prepare more pictures for Forum now as tomorrow I’m going to Crimean mountains and still a lot of job in office.
Janis
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Tony & Simon,
the blue form of Cr. pestalozzaehas been grown in Australia for at least 50 years,
I do not know if 'caeruleus' is a valid published name ,and it is a slightly larger flower
than the white form I grow, which came to me in 1977. It was collectedin Camlica ,
Turkey , both colour forms are good garden plants.
Simon , Thomas is correct: your Cr. kosaninii [04 march ] is a tommie .
Otto I think that is near Uskudar on the Asian side of the Bosphorous and is long built over. They probably appear out of the foundations of blocks of flats each spring.
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Nothing special here, the crocus flower in my meadow began.
Crocuses self seedlings
Meadow
Meadow
Crocus tommasinianus Roseus
Crocus sieberi self seedling
Crocus biflorus self seedling
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I always look forward to seeing your meadow in the Spring Franz, it's a beautiful sight.
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Stunning... the combination of colour saturation and fine focus .... Franz your pictures are a delight ... the next best thing to being there to see the meadow on a sunny day. :)
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Franz
Stunning :)
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Thomas, any sign of your CC. pelistericus and scardicus? :)
No, but the Iris are growing now. I would guess pelistericus and scardicus will be among
the last Crocus to flower in my garden, so it's not too late for them.
Well that's some good news Thomas. I hope they will flower for you (and me ;D)
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Magnificent pictures Franz, as yours always are. The rarest and most difficult species are not always the most beautiful.
I think the "unusual" colour form in Janis's baytopiorum is the one I have here. I've always thought of it as turquoise rather than blue. But it flowers so early (mid July (Jan)) that the sun is rarely strong enough to open the flowers fully. I've shifted it to a trough in an open position.
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Janis, you must get tons of seed. Do you grow alot from seed, or do you not allow them to seed?
Franz, your meadow is like a fine painting. I like how the colors mix and contrast.
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Mr. Hadacek
You have meadows of heaven!
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Nothing special here,
I beg to differ!
Magnificent as always.
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Wunderful crocus pictures from everybody.
Franz,
as every year you surprise us with your fantastic pictures of your meadow. 8)
And I like your form of C.sieberi ssp sieberi - simply beautiful ;) 8)
In my meadow the first crocus are out and opened yesterday in the sunshine...
...but today it was doom and rain and rain and ...>:(
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Armin, thank goodness you had at least a little chance to picture the flowers before the rain. 8)
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Beautiful pictures Armin :)
And the sun will shine again 8)
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Tony & Simon,
the blue form of Cr. pestalozzaehas been grown in Australia for at least 50 years,
I do not know if 'caeruleus' is a valid published name ,and it is a slightly larger flower
than the white form I grow, which came to me in 1977. It was collectedin Camlica ,
Turkey , both colour forms are good garden plants.
Simon , Thomas is correct: your Cr. kosaninii [04 march ] is a tommie .
Otto I think that is near Uskudar on the Asian side of the Bosphorous and is long built over. They probably appear out of the foundations of blocks of flats each spring.
I think Crocus pestalozzae caeruleus was the name it was listed as, as this is the name I have in my records. Whether it is valid or not i don't know.
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Thanks Maggi and Tony.
Many noses - next sunshine is forecasted for sunday...
Keep my fingers crossed...
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For Thomas who will know why ;)
Crocus vernus albiflorus - ex Wurzjoch
Crocus vernus albiflorus - ex Paso de Elbe
Small (very small Paso de Elbe) but little beauties nonetheless!
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Very nice vernus forms Tony !!
Armin,
So these are Crocus that flower "after the snow melt" as the plant hunters call them ... ;) Very nice and promising for the future.
Franz,
Your meadow Crocus may not be something special to you, but they're a delight to all of us I'm sure !! ;)
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Franz,
I always look forward to seeing your meadow each spring they're always a delight 8)
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Franz and Armin - great photos of your lawn. My own still needs some more warm days.
Tony, these plants are from Passo di Erbe which is called Würzjoch in German.
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Some pictures of the crocusses that are flowering in my garden now:
1) Crocus chrysanthus 'Prins Claus'
2) Crocus flavus ssp. flavus
3) Crocus korolkowii
4) Crocus sieberi 'Tricolor'
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great pictures from all,
here some new Crocus from my garden
Cr.baytopiorum, a form with short stem
carpetanus from spain
danfordiae, interess colour
michelsonii, a dark form from Iran
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Thank you all together for the kind comments but only those plants grows well which the meadow condition likes.
It never flowered Crocus vernus albiflorus in my garden, in spite of some attempts,
Beautiful crocuses in your lawn Armin
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Very nice pics from every one. I was out of my house only one week!. There are so beatifull crocus show running here! :o :o :o
First I want to share some of mine from garden.
-C. biflorus subsp. biflorus albino
-C. biflorus subsp. biflorus albino
-C. biflorus subsp. biflorus
-C. biflorus subsp. pulchricolor 2
-C. biflorus subsp. pulchricolor dark
-C. biflorus subsp. pulchricolor dark
-C. biflorus subsp. pulchricolor pale
-C. biflorus subsp. pulchricolor pale
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Its often worth going away for a week for all the wonderful surprises when you get home.
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Dirk you make me envy :P.
What is that yellow crocus C. bornmulleri? Is that a hybrid chrysanthus or something new?
And some more from mines..
-C. flavus subsp. flavus Gold
-C. flavus subsp. flavus Dutch
-C. pestalozzae
-C. x paulineae
-C. Vernus subsp. vernus Dutch
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Beautiful crocuses everyone, here are a few from here. Crocus biflorus pulchricolor, C. tommasinianus 'white blue', and one of my favourites, 'Cream Beauty'.
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Anne - according to Mathew, C. tommasinianus has a white perianth tube. Though it's not too clear on your photo, the bract doesn't look right for this species. Maybe Tony &/or Thomas can say something more definite?
C. biflorus subsp. pulchricolor is very pretty & 'Cream Beauty' is one of my favourites too.
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Some Crocus biflorus flowering today in the wild in the Stara Planina.
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Anne - I think the white/blue tommasinianus looks more like a white Crocus vernus. Both the flowers and the few, wider leaves suggest this. I'm sure Gerry is right too but I don't have the books at work to check!
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I defer to the experts - but they came from Thomas! They are very nice anyway.
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A few from yesterday.Sorry they are a little fuzzy,taken in a hurry and no time for a tripod.
Crocus chrysanthus Zenith
Crocus heuffelianus. Is this one virused?
Crocus heuffelianus 'DARK EYES'
Crocus heuffelianus 'WILDLIFE'
Crocus reticulatus x angustifolius 'LITTER AMBER'
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Anne - if it came from Thomas I will defer to him :D
Michael - difficult to tell. Probably not but look for other signs eg any pale patches on the leaves, tendancy to die back early. Is it a singleton or will there be other flowers in the pot? Another pic with flower open in sunshine may tell us more.
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Thanks Tony, will try and get a pic tomorrow if the sun shines.
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I defer to the experts - but they came from Thomas! They are very nice anyway.
I've never seen a tom with colouring like that on the tube and marks like that at the petal bases. All mine (and I have loads of colour forms flowering now) have pale whitish tubes. Maybe a labelling mix-up. I'd say vernus like Tony. The petal shape looks more like vernus too.
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I defer to the experts - but they came from Thomas! They are very nice anyway.
Anne, these plants came originally from Dix and were sold as vernus ssp albiflorus,
what they not are. The style is much longer than in true albiflorus and is looking
like tommasinianus. This is why I labelled them as tommies, but obviously
there is some vernus blood included.
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I defer to the experts - but they came from Thomas! They are very nice anyway.
Anne, these plants came originally from Dix and were sold as vernus ssp albiflorus,
what they not are. The style is much longer than in true albiflorus and is looking
like tommasinianus. This is why I labelled them as tommies, but obviously
there is some vernus blood included.
They look very nice too. It'd be interesting to see a pic of the inside, Anne, so we can see what Thomas means about the style. Be nice to just see them fully open too.
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Some more Crocuses flowering today in the open garden. Crocus biflorus weldenii cultivar, Crocus chrysanthus 'Dorothy', Crocus tommasinianus 'Roseus' and Crocus veluchensis 'Pearl of Rhodopi'. Finally a Crocus I am not sure of, as i must have grown from a small corm left behind by the voles. Any ideas?
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Tony & Simon,
the blue form of Cr. pestalozzaehas been grown in Australia for at least 50 years,
I do not know if 'caeruleus' is a valid published name ,and it is a slightly larger flower
than the white form I grow, which came to me in 1977. It was collectedin Camlica ,
Turkey , both colour forms are good garden plants.
Simon , Thomas is correct: your Cr. kosaninii [04 march ] is a tommie .
Çamlıca is a hill near Beykoz asian part of Istanbul. We go there at the weekend to drink somethings and to see the scene of Istanbul and the bosphorus. I can not find place even to park my car. It is not posible this crocus to live here any more. And I have seen some pics of C. pestalozzae just near here from Beykoz they were also white. Second thing this crocus does not like hill, they live nearly in the water or in the meadow where we can find water on. Asian part of town I have seen severel locations of this plant they were all same and with big quantities.
But this time I just discovered a location of C. pestalozzae var. caeruleus from quite different corner. It was so rare I could seen only a few in walking of whole day. The location was near a fontain where the cows and sheeps drink water! In the meadow under the water. I do not think that,this plant can live long time in this conditions. The weather was rainy and photos are not so clear.
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Anne - if it came from Thomas I will defer to him :D
Michael - difficult to tell. Probably not but look for other signs eg any pale patches on the leaves, tendancy to die back early. Is it a singleton or will there be other flowers in the pot? Another pic with flower open in sunshine may tell us more.
There was a pot at Loughborough today that agreed with you!
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Anne - if it came from Thomas I will defer to him :D
There was a pot at Loughborough today that agreed with you!
That agreed with Tony's first thought or with his agreement to Thomas, who changed hs mind...... ::) ???
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Michael,
"Zenith" and "Dark Eyes" are superb cultivars :D
Ibrahim,
lovely "wet" pictures from the wild even the story you tell is sad. C. pestalozzae is a species on my wish list.
Hi et all,
Today the weather god was gracious here. Against the forecast rain stopped around noontime.
As it was quite windy and cold to open the flowers fully my focus was to take photos of the buds and outer markings.
Results can be seen below.
Simon,
do you have a picture showing the outer markings of "Dorothy"?
C. ancyrensis Golden Bunch IMG_0439
C. (flavus x angustiflius) Yellow Mammoth IMG_0437
C. angustifolius IMG_0417
C. chrysanthus Goldilocks IMG_0431
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more...
C. versicolor Picturatus IMG_0428
C. versicolor Picturatus IMG_0414
C. versicolor Picturatus top view IMG_0415
C. chrysanthus Blue Bird IMG_0423
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and more...
C. chrysanthus (biflorus) Miss Vain IMG_0435
C. chrysanthus Ard Schenk IMG_0430
C. chrysanthus Cream Beauty IMG_0441
C. chrysanthus Romance IMG_0429
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more follows...
C. chrysanthus Romance IMG_0425
C. chrysanthus Romance IMG_0412
C. chrysanthus Snow Bunting IMG_0418
C. chrysanthus White IMG_0420
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next batch...
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Thanks to Thomas for "Herald".
and final.....
C. chrysanthus Zwanenburg Bronze -0424
C. sieberi atticus Firefly -0436
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Finally a crocus I am not sure of, as i must have grown from a small corm left behind by the voles. Any ideas?
Crocus versicolor, imperati or etruscus. Favoured in that order. Show us a pic of the flower from above.
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Armin your Chrysantus series are all superb... ::)
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Yes! Great series Armin.
Ibrahim your report on Crocus pestalozzae is very interesting despite the rain. Thanks!
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Simon,
do you have a picture showing the outer markings of "Dorothy"?
Hi Armin. I will try for a picture of the outer markings tomorrow. I am open to the idea that my 'Dorothy' may not be true- she was a garden centre purchase several years ago.
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Ibrahim, Tony,
thanks - it is a pleasure.
Simon,
I'm anxious what the experts say regarding my cultivars "Dorothy" and "Fuscotinctus".
This year I can see differences between them.
I studied the plantsman March 1997 article. But must still confirm when open if my "Dorothy" has basal lobes with black.
Not easy to distinguish both, they resemble so much.
I wait for your picture.
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Here are a couple of better pics of the Crocus vernus that I posted recently. To compliment them other forms of Crocus vernus.
Crocus vernus albiflorus Wurzjoch
Crocus vernus albiflorus Paso de Elbe
Crocus vernus albiflorus Susten Pass
Crocus vernus Montenegro
Crocus vernus Val D'Incles, Andorra
The last one brings back special memories. I collected the seed on my first mountain flower holiday in 1996 :)
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Here a second attempt (first time the pictures did not appear)
2 Crocus from the same place - Gökçe Pass, near Alanya - Turkey
identification welcome - TH told me something about hybrids ( I can't memorize it)
Gerd
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Gerd, both of them are super. The area is C. biflorus subsp. isauricus and C. chrysanthus habitation. But I am not sure also to tell you :-\
And I want to attache the pictures of C. biflorus subsp. crewei from last week. I have seen severel locations of this crocus. What I think for these biflorus subspecieses. are more identifiable by leaves. ( number, color or wideness )
For example the C. biflorus subsp. crewei which I have seen have always 3 leaves just for yung corms have 2, the leaves were quite wide ( maybe widest in the biflorus grp.) and very nive grey color.
-Crocus biflorus subsp. crewei forms.
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Finally a crocus I am not sure of, as i must have grown from a small corm left behind by the voles. Any ideas?
Crocus versicolor, imperati or etruscus. Favoured in that order. Show us a pic of the flower from above.
Sorry today was not sunny enough to take a pic from above- I will try tomorrow. Cc. versicolor and imperati are both on my 'lost in action' list, and were both taken before i had chance to see them in flower.
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Simon, I'm anxious what the experts say regarding my cultivars "Dorothy" and "Fuscotinctus".
This year I can see differences between them. I studied the plantsman March 1997 article. But must still confirm when open if my "Dorothy" has basal lobes without black. Not easy to distinguish both, they resemble so much.
I wait for your picture.
Armin, this is my 'Dorothy' taken today- again I am interested to hear if she is true.
Simon.
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Crocus corsicus and crocus minimus. Are they one and the same? Dissection might help but minimus does have differently shaped flowers ..... but I'm still not convinced.
Top pic 1994 sowings Crocus corsicus
2nd pic 1998 sowings ex 94 seedlings
Crocus minimus - not trade form
Above 3 lined up for comparison
Crocus minimus Sardinian form
More minimus forms next week hopefully.
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Crocus kosaninii - 2 forms.
Crocus etrscus - from Buried Treasures. (Rannveig Wallis)
Crocus veluchensis - seed raised
Crocus versicolor
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Tony - your corsicus/minimus post is very interesting. BM seems to present a good case for two distinct species. On the basis of flower shape (from the side) & markings I would have assigned your first photo to C.minimus if I hadn't read the caption. So much for my powers of discrimination! Maybe dissection, examination of the seed & other subtle features (& a chromosome count) are really necessary to arrive at any secure conclusion.
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Tony, I have a couple of the trade form of minimus ready for the dissection knife. Which bits am I especially looking for?
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Simon, I'm anxious what the experts say regarding my cultivars "Dorothy" and "Fuscotinctus".
This year I can see differences between them. I studied the plantsman March 1997 article. But must still confirm when open if my "Dorothy" has basal lobes without black. Not easy to distinguish both, they resemble so much.
I wait for your picture.
Armin, this is my 'Dorothy' taken today- again I am interested to hear if she is true.
Simon.
Hallo Simon,
I can't judge yours is "Dorothy" just from picture but the KAVB describes them as follows:
"Dorothy"(Barr&Sons): Flowers light yellow, outside striped bronzy, anthers with blackish basal tips which are absent in 'Fuscotinctus'
"Fuscotinctus"(Tubergen): Flowers inside chinese yellow (HCC 606), outer petals entirely striped and feathered plum purple (HCC 934) on lemon yellow ground (HCC 4), base bronzy, basal tips of anthers absent, in contrast to chrysanthus 'Dorothy'
Please check the color of the basal tips of the anthers.
Today was raining here - so I did not check for my case.
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Here a second attempt (first time the pictures did not appear)
2 Crocus from the same place - Gökçe Pass, near Alanya - Turkey
identification welcome - TH told me something about hybrids ( I can't memorize it)
Gerd
Hi Gerd,
it seems I have to visit you next week ;)
Very beautiful crocus 8)
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Simon, Gerd, here are Thomas' chrysanthus cultivar pix....... in pdf to make for easy keeping!
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Gerd, both of them are super. The area is C. biflorus subsp. isauricus and C. chrysanthus habitation. But I am not sure also to tell you :-\
And I want to attache the pictures of C. biflorus subsp. crewei from last week. I have seen severel locations of this crocus. What I think for these biflorus subspecieses. are more identifiable by leaves. ( number, color or wideness )
For example the C. biflorus subsp. crewei which I have seen have always 3 leaves just for yung corms have 2, the leaves were quite wide ( maybe widest in the biflorus grp.) and very nive grey color.
-Crocus biflorus subsp. crewei forms.
Ibrahim,
I begrudge you for being our forums "correspondent" in Istanbul. :D
"My surprise" is very beautiful. Please post a picture when open. 8)
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Maggi, good idea.
Thank you.
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Here are a couple of better pics of the Crocus vernus that I posted recently. To compliment them other forms of Crocus vernus.
Crocus vernus albiflorus Wurzjoch
Crocus vernus albiflorus Paso de Elbe
Crocus vernus albiflorus Susten Pass
Crocus vernus Montenegro
Crocus vernus Val D'Incles, Andorra
The last one brings back special memories. I collected the seed on my first mountain flower holiday in 1996 :)
Tony,
thank you for posting these pictures. Those images recall my memories of June 1992 in the Swiss Alps.
Thousands of small white and blue flowering crocus on a meadow.
This made me becoming a croconut ;D
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I took these pictures on 28 February but I usually spend so much time catching up with the Forum postings I never get round to posting my own pics.
Crocus minimus on the left and crocus corsicus (both trade forms, probably from Paul Christian some years ago)
Crocus corsicus
Crocus minimus
Crocus corsicus flowers are now over but minimus still looks fresh.
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I hope this is the right place for these pictures I made during a little trip?
Having such a beautiful sunny but rather fresh day we decided to make
a short trip by car.
There is a small river running out of the Rhine near the city of Utrecht and comes
out into the IJsselmeer near Amsterdam.
During the 16th and 17th age many rich Amsterdam merchants build along this river big estates
where they could stay during the summer, when it was too hot and sticky in the city.
During winter they stayed in the city, because these houses were too cold in the open
countryside.
Many of these estates still exist and some have a beautiful display of Crocus this time of year.
I made pictures of two of these places.
When we were walking around we saw also a very nice small dyke made from used roof tiles, which
is on the first picture.
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This is the right place :)
They look like Crocus vernus (?)
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What a wonderful surround for a beautiful house. I like the roof tile dyke too. :) Take the top off and you'd have the original crevice garden.
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Just a quick pic of the outside of Janis's tom x vernus cross 'Yalta'. The intense purple-blue of the flower tube contrasts fantastically with the pale outers. The camera hasn't caught the colour quite right - it's more of a purplish colour, but the pic does demonstrate the strong contrast.
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Maggi, Ibrahim - thank you for identification help!
Armin, see you if you like!
Gerd
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Here is a nice corocusfrom last week travel which has a very wide distrubition in south and south west Turkey.
-C. fleischeri forms.
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This thread never ceases to amaze me... :o :o :o
Wonderful pix everyone - it's a delight to relish them !
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Simon, I'm anxious what the experts say regarding my cultivars "Dorothy" and "Fuscotinctus".
This year I can see differences between them. I studied the plantsman March 1997 article. But must still confirm when open if my "Dorothy" has basal lobes without black. Not easy to distinguish both, they resemble so much.
I wait for your picture.
Armin, this is my 'Dorothy' taken today- again I am interested to hear if she is true.
Simon.
Simon and Armin, the main difference between Dorothy and Fuscotinctus is the
fuzzy/misty feathering in Dorothy while in Fuscotinctus it is clear.
So your both Dorothy's are correct.
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Finally a crocus I am not sure of, as i must have grown from a small corm left behind by the voles. Any ideas?
Crocus versicolor, imperati or etruscus. Favoured in that order. Show us a pic of the flower from above.
The inside of the crocus- is it open enough to help?
Also Crocus vernus scepusiensis? and Crocus gargaricus in the open garden.
Thanks for the verification re: 'Dorothy', Thomas.
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A woodland form of Crocus veluchensis.
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Just returned from short trip to Crimea. Trip was surprisingly successful. Snow gone 3 days ago. On Friday there was rain, on Saturday (when I was there) - cloudy, very strong wind but sufficiently light for Crocus could open, and at evening started small rain and rain was promissed for Sunday, too. So I was just at short "window" between bad weather. Just opposit to autumn visit for Crocus speciosus when it happens just on day when rained between weeks of sunny weather. Walked some 20 km and now all leg muscles are painfull. Difficult even to pass few steps. Not surprisingly after all winter passed sitting only at computer. Greatest surprises with Crocus tauricus was the flower color. My first gathering was made 30 years ago on Ai-Petri yaila. There were plenty of snow and only on S faced slopes very first tauricus opened. I collected some 10 corms only. Ai-Petri yaila is the coldest yaila and not so flat, it is very "wavy". Tschatir-Dag is more flat with carst depressions. C. tauricus from Ai-Petri was very variable in color, but all had yellow throat (but I judged by really few, early runners). Now I was shocked with blackish connectives on anthers (very rare) and plenty of brown edged yellow throats. Color from purest white throughout (one) to pinkish brown/purple (one). Most blue based, some almost black-purple, apr. 5% white. The corm on picture was pushed out of soil by mole (or similar) and died but it shows how old can be corm in wild without any increasing.
Pictures divided on two posts.
Janis
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Other pictures of Crocus tauricus on Tschatir-dag Yaila
Janis
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Finally a crocus I am not sure of, as i must have grown from a small corm left behind by the voles. Any ideas?
Crocus versicolor, imperati or etruscus. Favoured in that order. Show us a pic of the flower from above.
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The inside of the crocus- is it open enough to help?
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I'm leaning towards Crocus imperati which flowers earlier and has the prominent white bract visible in your earlier pic. Flower shape and markings are also indicators, but a wide open shot would be good. It is not 'de Jager' 'the trade form though.
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Thanks Tony- i did have a form of Crocus imperati - so I guess this is it.
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Another reappearance courtesy of the voles- Crocus heuffelianus (not sure which form), growing in with a patch of Crocus chrysanthus, and Crocus vernus vernus
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Crocus malyi 'sveti roc' AH.8651
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Tony, I have a couple of the trade form of minimus ready for the dissection knife. Which bits am I especially looking for?
Sorry for slow response - was not at home with the book yesterday.
Well - BM says miminus should have a small bracteole enclosed within the bract which is wrapped around the flower as it emerges. BUT some plants of minimus have been found to lack it!!! Also the corm tunic has parallel fibres in C minimus and reticulate ones in C corsicus.
You do appear to have the 'trade' form of C minimus. I have several forms of C corsicus but none have the distictive flower shape of that (and other) forms of C minimus. However apart from the corm tunics all the features that BM uses to distinguish the 2 taxa are blurred by overlap. Recent cytological evidence does at least support the view that the two taxa are closely related while chromosome studies from 1980 support them as seperate taxa. In Corsica an overlap zone in their distribution has given rise to a report of hybrids between them although C corsicus is reported as being from higher locations (500-2300m) while C minimus is found lower (Sea level - 1500m)
Good job they are both lovely!!
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Dear Janis,
Thanks for a nice story and wonderful photos. Surprised to see such variations and colour range.
Simon,
Your crocus heuffelianus form seems to be 'National Park'.
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Wow Janis - wonderful colours of Crocus tauricus. Last summer I received two corms
from a good friend, both are flowering now in the same fantastic colours!
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I'll second that! Great to see the wild places where our favourite plants grow and the variation that occurs in nature. Thanks Janis.
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Janis
Stunning variation in tauricus - and Nature was kind to group several variations in one spot to make an excellent photograph ;D
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Beautiful tauricus forms but what amazes me is the picture with the old basal plates under a new corm. It seems that particular plant has been regenerating for at least 20 years! That pictures tells a wonderful story. 8)
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Here's Crocus rujanensis from SRGC seed 2003 and Crocus heuffelianus 'Carpathian Wonder'.
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Anthony: I like the "Carpathian wonder", where did you obtain it from?
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Great pix Anthony - isn't Carpathian Wonder really special ?? :o
Wim - it's on Janis Ruksans list - I've ordered it for this year despite the financial situation... ::)
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Thanks Luc,
I'll look for it on his next list.
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His next list is out and current Wim.
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Okay so i know they are easy, but i thought I'd lost all these to the voles- so a patch of little 'triers' Crocus sieberi tricolor :)
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Tommies in my meadow.
This crocus is my best self seeders. Like a weed!
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Franz
Love all the Tommies, but the last one is spectacular - what a gorgeous colour :)
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Gorgeous pictures, looks like a paradise Franz!
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But such a beautiful weed Franz. Your meadow should be declared a "National Treasure."
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Crocus biflorus (Belpinar Gec?) from the bulb frame and Crocus etruscus in the open garden.
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Tommies in my meadow.
This crocus is my best self seeders. Like a weed!
So glad I don't have to worry about such weeds in my garden ! ::) :P
Wonderful view Franz - I agree with Art, the dark one looks gorgeous !
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Thank you all together for the kind comments.
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Simon. thanks for sharing your nice crocus here,
I think your c.biflorus belpınar It might be C. biflorus subsp. atrospermus! I have a record from Boncuk dağı
(1580-1990) Belpınar pass is very cloase to this location. I couldn't had a chance to see this crocus last week. Where (Tuzla beli) I was planning to see this crocus, there was snow more then one metre. :(
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Many thanks for the identification Ibrahim. Is C. biflorus astrospermus variable in the wild? Mine has only the very slightest blue marking on the outside of the outer petals. Where in Turkey is Belpinar Pass? It is intereting to hear you still have snow there- we are still having snow here too this year.
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Hi to you all!
I have only one pic for the moment, I hope you will like it ;)
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Simon, Belpınar pass is between Antalya and Muğla province. Last week I was around there. Sea side 15-19C just near on the mountains too much snow so couldn't see this crocus but I think it has many variable forms without striped.
Here are some photos from wildi
C. danfordiae Kütahya
C. chrysanthus Afyon (very cloase to Uşak )
C. flavus subsp. dissectus Afyon
C. antalyensis Muğla
And scene from Muğla
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Great pictures, Ibrahim. I especially like the C danfordiae.
Now a question - is it possible to successfully split and replant crocuses in growth? The ones I put into my grass have come up well but are nearly all the same colour! I have congested clumps of yellow and purple varieties, and I'd like to put them into the grass now while I can see where they need to go. Can it be done?
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Anne - Thomas has more experience of lawn plantings but until he chips in here's what I think!
You can do it but the fairly major root damage that is likely to occur will set the plants back for a year or two. Damage to the roots now = smaller corms next year = less / no flowers. I'd leave it until just as the leaves start to die back, this would minimise the damage. You should still be able to see where to put them.
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Anne, I also agree with Tony. I usualy choice the first way wihout damage roots. But some times we have to choice the second way. For example in Uludağ 2600m. While these plants are just flowering in İstanbul sea level these plants already have been dried!
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The only problem with that is that the grass will be fairly long by then. I suppose I could hand cut patches to plant in.
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Ibrahim
lovely pictures,I am not surprised to see there is still a lot of snow up there.
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Tony, in your opinion what is the right time to see these flowers open in this altitute? I am sure that you know this area very well!
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Tonyg,
what I see in your crocus pages for C. flavus subsp. dissectus it looks more to C. graveolens!
Because I tryed to find one like that with so big stye in wild, last year in Balıkesir and this year in Afyon but I couldn't. am I wrong ? just for curiosity!
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Simon, Belpınar pass is between Antalya and Muğla province. Last week I was around there. Sea side 15-19C just near on the mountains too much snow so couldn't see this crocus but I think it has many variable forms without striped.
Many thanks for your help Ibrahim. As I sit here watching the snow fall again, I can appreciate your impatience to be out there exploring. Simon
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Tony, in your opinion what is the right time to see these flowers open in this altitute? I am sure that you know this area very well!
Ibrahim
I have always been the first two weeks in May which has been a good time but on a couple of occasions this has been to late when there has been an early spring and the ground has already been burnt dry even at the top.The benefit usually has been that if it is already dry lower down it is possible to move higher and still see flowers. The reverse has also been true in that I visited E.Turkey near Dogubayazit at that time of year twice and on the first it was a mass of flowers and on the second still three metres of snow
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my other two corms of Crocus gotenburgensis that have flowered. They are pelistericus x scardicus with the pelistericus being the seed parent. Clearly the yellow of scardicus must be the dominant colour.
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my other two corms of Crocus gotenburgensis that have flowered. They are pelistericus x scardicus with the pelistericus being the seed parent. Clearly the yellow of scardicus must be the dominant colour.
Still nice flowers, Tony. The other possibility is that the form of scardicus you have could be polyploid (e.g. a fertile tetraploid) which is contributing more genetic material to the cross and dominating the progeny that way. With other crocus species (e.g. chrysanthus x biflorus) the yellow and blue colourings seem to 'mix' without one or the other dominating, and others have had that result with this cross, so just a thought. Is your scardicus raised from your own collected seed, or seed from collected corms? It's always possible that someone selected out a strong, large-flowered form in the wild, which may have been polyploid.
This is the point where someone else tells me the yellow colour often dominates and it's nothing to do with polyploidy. :)
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Tonyg,
what I see in your crocus pages for C. flavus subsp. dissectus it looks more to C. graveolens!
Because I tryed to find one like that with so big stye in wild, last year in Balıkesir and this year in Afyon but I couldn't. am I wrong ? just for curiosity!
Your local knowledge is better Ibrahim. I have recently flowered a new accession of Crocus flavus ssp dissectus and had observed that it is not like the one on Crocus Pages. Also when that one flowered at the same time as Crocus graveolens I could not tell them apart. So I think you are right!
A new version of Crocus Pages is in its infancy - when it 'goes live' I will have corrected the mistake.
Tony W - I like your x Gotenburgensis better than some of the others I have seen!
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Still nice though TonyW- what were both parents like- have they been posted here already? Have you ever selfed the C.pelistericus parent and had flowers from its progeny? I was thinking along the same lines as Martin- but maybe if your C.pelistericus was from a population more 'prone' to be pale flowered, maybe the C.scardicus yellow genes are just overwriting these. I don't know how variable C.pelistericus is in the wild, but having seen a woodland full of C.veluchensis i know these give quite a wide range of shades. Speaking of which has anyone ever hybridised C.veluchensis in cultivation apart from suspected wild hybrids with C.sieberi?
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my Crocus scardicus was bought from Pilous as one corm in 1996.
yes I have posted pictures of the parents and yes I have selfed the pelistericus in 2008 and the seeds are germinating at the moment.
I also got seed on the scardicus last year and there was a discussion as to whether it had crossed with my pelistericus. This was not possible because they were in flower at different times due to a watering error.These are also just germinating.
I have two sowings of the cross with scardicus as the seed parent but these have not flowered yet,hopefully some will next year.
Crocus pelistericus is not variable in the wild it is almost completely uniform
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Not sure what to say then. Maybe the Crocus x gotenburgensis from Gotenburg BG were just flukes, or they represent the best of lots of crosses many of which looked like your results.
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Here are some Crocus growing en masse at the Botanical Garden of Wuppertal - sorry for the bad quality of the pics (I took the wrong lens)
The last pic is from my garden and shows a nearly white C. tommasinianus
Gerd
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Gerd what a dream, there you see a longlife work of a bulbgardener. And no time to see it with my own eyes :'( :'(
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Amazing plantings Gerd, like purple snow on the ground. Truly magnificent. I think you almost white tommie is beautiful too. Just enough other colour to give it a lift.
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A glorious sight, Gerd.
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The most amazing mass planting of crocus that I have seen! Thanks for sharing with us all the pictures from Wuppertal BG.
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Finally my Crocus cvijcii has opened in the bright lights of the kitchen.
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gerd those pictures are staggering.
Anthony a lovely plant
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I'll try and take its pic in natural light tomorrow.
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Hi Anthony,
Is that Cream of Creams from Janis? That's very interesting, he sent me one of these last year and when it came out yellow I assumed he'd mixed it up and relabelled as normal cvijicii! Perhaps I was too hasty! Is it just a rather paler yellow than usual?
BW,
Alex
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Very interesting colour Anthony - quite special !
Three cheers for Wuppertal botanics Gerd ! ;D
What a view ! :o
Thanks for sharing !
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Gerd, that crocus carpet is quite wonderful!!!
And your nearly white is lovely too :)
Tausend Dank!!
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Thanks for showing us, Gerd. I have never seen anything like it. Amazing :o.
A little warmer here today and all snow is gone. Maybe spring is on its way at last.
A few pics from my garden
Crocus chrysanthus 'Moonlight' ? (I'm not sure but that was the name on the label)
Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'
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Ooh, I like 'Pictus'. 8)
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Crocus malyi 'Sveti Roc' in the garden.
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Ooh, I like 'Pictus'. 8)
I second that Gunilla - it looks smashing in bud like that !! Beautiful !
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Here are a couple of pics of Crocus cvijcii 'Cream of Creams' today. Yes it is from Jānis.
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nice pictures from all,
here some new flowers from my garden, after a sunday with many rain:
Crocus biflorus ssp.tauri
'' heuffelianus 'Snow Princess'
'' sieberi ssp.sieberi
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Thanks for showing us, Gerd. I have never seen anything like it. Amazing :o.
A little warmer here today and all snow is gone. Maybe spring is on its way at last.
A few pics from my garden
Crocus chrysanthus 'Moonlight' ? (I'm not sure but that was the name on the label)
Crocus tommasinianus 'Pictus'
Gunilla,
your nice clump of C. chrysanthus "Moonlight" is likely "Romance" or "Cream Beauty". Both resemble on the outer markings.
You may find it in one of my pictures.
And you have beautiful "Pictus" ;)
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Here are some Crocus growing en masse at the Botanical Garden of Wuppertal - sorry for the bad quality of the pics (I took the wrong lens)
The last pic is from my garden and shows a nearly white C. tommasinianus
Gerd
Gerd,
overwhelming crocus pictures 8) 8) 8)
Send you a PM. See you.
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Here are a couple of pics of Crocus cvijcii 'Cream of Creams' today.
Anthony,
that's a noble one! 8) :o 8)
Congratulations.
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Hi Croconuts,
great pictures from everybody.
I was off some days - lots of reading... :o
Saturday was 15°C warm and sunshine :D vs today, 10°C cold, windy, doom and rainy.>:(
Some impressions from my lawn/garden...enjoy :)
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After macro view some details... :D
"Cream Beauty" especial for Anne ;) and "Romance" for Gunilla ;)
C. flavus ssp flavus
C. ancyrensis Golden Bunch
C. chrysanthus Romance
C. chrysanthus Cream Beauty top view
C. chrysanthus Cream Beauty
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more...
"Spring Pearl" special thanks to Thomas ;)
C. chrysanthus Jeannine top view
C. chrysanthus Jeannine side view
C. chrysanthus Spring Pearl
C. chrysanthus Blue Pearl
C. chrysanthus Blue Bird
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more...
This single "Lady Killer" must be grown from seed, as I never placed any corms there.
C. chrysanthus Jeannine top view
C. chrysanthus Jeannine side view
C. chrysanthus Spring Pearl
C. chrysanthus Blue Pearl
C. chrysanthus Blue Bird
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more...
C. chrysanthus "Miss Vain" is (likely) a selection (hybrid) of C.biflorus ssp weldenii (thanks Dirk ;))
"Miss Vain" seems to be sterile (never set seed).
Then one of my favourites C. versicolor...
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more from vernus group...
C. vernus ssp vernus
C. dalmaticus Petrovac top view
C. dalmaticus Petrovac side view
C. kosanini
C. kosanini pale form with stripes
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more from vernus group...
"C.etruscus pale form from Corsica" & "Michaels Purple" thanks to Dirk ;)
C. tommasianus "Whitewell Purple" true (& nice) dutch commercial form (acc. to Luit) - I don't want a new controverse discussion ;D. We can't solve it - I learned.
C. etruscus Zwanenburg
C. etruscus pale form from Corsica
C. vernus ssp heuffelianus Michaels Purple
C. tommasianus Whitewell Purple
C. etruscus pale form from Corsica top view
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more from vernus group...
C. tommasianus
C. tommasianus Lilac Beauty
C. tommasianus Roseus
C. tommasianus very pale form
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Some more from wildlife:
I was sadly reporting several times about the dramatic decrease of honey bees around my area and the poor pollination.
In spite of the strong frosts I was surprised to see a few honey bees out on Saturday. :D
More surprised I got to observe a large Xylocopa bee. A species said to invade from Southern Europe.
My 1st. Xylocopa I caught with my camera was 2006. Because it so nice I post it again plus the new ones.
Also large sized bumble bee queens (Bombus terrestris) were eager to sauger the honey from crocus.
Some nice shots.
Blaue Holzbiene - Xylocopa violacea auf Crocus ancyrensis in 2006
Blaue Holzbiene Xylocopa violacea on C. chrysanthus Ard Schenk
Blaue Holzbiene Xylocopa violacea on C. chrysanthus Ard Schenk
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more bees...
The sleeping bumble bee I found Sunday morning...
Now it is time to go really to bed...
Good night.
Bumble Bee Queen on C. chrysanthus Cream Beauty
Bumble Bee Queen lumbered C. chyrsanthus Gipsy Girl
Bumble Bee Queen sleeping in C. vernus Pickwick
Bumble Bee Queen on C. chrysanthus Gipsy Girl
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Hi Anthony,
Is that Cream of Creams from Janis? That's very interesting, he sent me one of these last year and when it came out yellow I assumed he'd mixed it up and relabelled as normal cvijicii! Perhaps I was too hasty! Is it just a rather paler yellow than usual?
BW,
Alex
Sorry for late reply, was away from home. Possibly some replied earlier.
Crocus cvijicii 'Cream of Creams' isn't white - it is creamy yellow! For that the name! I offered it in 2008 but request was so large that I sold too much, left only few with me and now will be needed few years to rebuilt stock.
Janis
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Great pictures, Ibrahim. I especially like the C danfordiae.
Now a question - is it possible to successfully split and replant crocuses in growth? The ones I put into my grass have come up well but are nearly all the same colour! I have congested clumps of yellow and purple varieties, and I'd like to put them into the grass now while I can see where they need to go. Can it be done?
Sorry for the late reply - had a busy weekend.
Anne, I agree with Tony, root damage should be avoided and if possible you should try
to replant your corms as late as possible. But if you must replant while the flowers are
out you don't have to worry. Most of the plants that I treated this way have survived.
They will not get a big quantity of flowers next year but they WILL flower.
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Some more from wildlife:
My 1st. Xylocopa I caught with my camera was 2006. Because it so nice I post it again plus the new ones.
Hi Armin,
Quite interesting that you have carpenter bees - we don't have them here.
Maybe they will arrive here in the future because I red that they profit by the climatic change.
Gerd
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Thanks for staying up late to show us your Crocus' Armin !
Very impressive show !!
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Thanks Armin for a great show of Crocus.
Do you grow them on in your sand bed before adding them to the lawn?
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Crocus from the bulb frame and open garden today: Crocus x reticulatus 'Little Amber', Crocus sieberi sieberi 'Cretan Snow', Crocus malyi, Crocus x flavus 'Stellaris' and Crocus tommasinianus 'Whitewell Purple'.
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Your pic of Crocus malyi failed, Simon.. :(
'Little Amber' is lovely... or am I seduced but the sunshine?? ::)
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Crocus malyi, which fell off the last post ;)
Maggi, I am lucky that Chris takes the pics and he's willing to get into uncomfortable positions for a good shot ;) ;)
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The beginning of march has been quite cold, so the crocuses have developed very slowly. Yesterday we had the first real spring day with sun and 10 degrees. With the help of the sunshine maybe my Crocus chrysanthus 'Prespa Gold' can seduce Maggi again?
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Kenneth, I could never resist....... :)
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Gunilla,
your nice clump of C. chrysanthus "Moonlight" is likely "Romance" or "Cream Beauty". Both resemble on the outer markings.
You may find it in one of my pictures.
Thanks Armin, I suspected it was wrongly named. You have a lot of beautiful crocus in flower. Thanks for showing us.
Yesterday we had the first real spring day with sun and 10 degrees.
Kenneth, I really think you ought to send some of that sunshine to me and not keep it all to yourself. ;)
By the way 'Prespa Gold' looks very nice.
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Sorry Gunilla. I've lost it already. (The sun I mean)
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Thats a nice bright yellow. I've never heard of 'Prespa Gold'. What does Prespa mean?
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It is a nice substantial flower isn't it?
Thank you for your advice, Thomas, I'll leave it as late as I can.
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Armin,
The Blaue Holzbiene - Xylocopa violacea visited also my crocus.
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I bought 'Prespa Gold' from Paul Christian a couple of years ago. It is a selection from unhybridised material collected in high alpine meadows in Macedonia. I believe that Prespa is the name of a district in Macedonia.
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I bought 'Prespa Gold' from Paul Christian a couple of years ago. It is a selection from unhybridised material collected in high alpine meadows in Macedonia. I believe that Prespa is the name of a district in Macedonia.
Prespa is noted for its lake which is divided between Greece ,Macedonia and Albania.It's main claim to fame is the bird life and the fact that it is infested with an amazing number of water snakes.
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Hi Anthony,
Is that Cream of Creams from Janis? That's very interesting, he sent me one of these last year and when it came out yellow I assumed he'd mixed it up and relabelled as normal cvijicii! Perhaps I was too hasty! Is it just a rather paler yellow than usual?
BW,
Alex
Sorry for late reply, was away from home. Possibly some replied earlier.
Crocus cvijicii 'Cream of Creams' isn't white - it is creamy yellow! For that the name! I offered it in 2008 but request was so large that I sold too much, left only few with me and now will be needed few years to rebuilt stock.
Janis
Yes, I stand corrected - and a very beautiful clone it is.
Alex
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It is very kind of The Blaue Holzbiene to be so photogenic! Does it always visit flowers which enhance its colour?
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Sunshine today and some of my crocus have opened up.
C. chrysanthus 'Romance' - I have looked at Armins photos earlier on in this thread and altered the name. Hopefully I got it right. The flowers are bright yellow inside and pale yellow outside.
C. tommasinianus Albus - not entirely white
C. chrysanthus 'Zwanenburg Bronze'
Unknown 1. Showed up this year in the middle of some C. chrysanthus Saturnus and I have no idea what it is or where it comes from.
Unknown 2.
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Hi Gunilla!
Your unknown number 1 shows markings on both the inner and outer tepals - that usually means Crocus versicolor, doesn't it?
Your unknown number two agrees well with what I grow as 'Herald'.
The early crocuses are still blooming here in my zone 7, Maryland, USA garden. Believe it or not, although we are well over a thousand miles south of you, we are on a bloom schedule which seems to be closer to that of Sweden than that of the UK - at least for the very early bloomers.
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Thanks Armin for a great show of Crocus.
Do you grow them on in your sand bed before adding them to the lawn?
Hello Arthur,
yes, this is exactly my plan. After blossom will have finished I want to close the gaps in the lawn.
Initially, I laid out the corms directly in the lawn in autuum but the problem appears if you want to add some more corms the next season. You simply can't locate your previous laid out corms.
I cut too many with my spade. :'(
Hello Gunilla,
I agree with Jim for "Romance" and "Herald" but your unknown 1 looks more a nice C. vernus then C.versicolor.
Do you have a picture from top view to see the style?
Hello Franz,
what a beautiful shot of the Xylocopa / carpenter bee. I hope that my solitary bee house I built in last autuum will be utilized multiple times.(It is in the background of my lawn picture)
Hello Anne,
Xylocopa violacea is a solitary bee and appears as early in February just after wake up from hibernation.
They are unrestly hunting for nectar. Early flowering Crocus just fit their needs.
Hello Simon,
beautiful crocus collection...
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Armin, on reconsideration, I think you are right - that second one is likely to be Crocus vernus. As you said, a peek inside the flower should confirm that.
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OK! Here it is :)
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Some crocus still looking good here....
a tiny form of Narcissus cyclamineus beside a muscular Crocus versicolor
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two Dutch yellows.....
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from a couple of days ago.... a pot of Crocus pelistericus looking a bit chewed....
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today it looks better....
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At the edge of a bed....
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OK! Here it is :)
Well, Gunilla, that looks like a typical Crocus vernus style to me. The small flower tempts me to think Crocus vernus ssp. albiflorus, but the fact that the style extends above the anthers suggests otherwise. The anthers look somewhat malformed, so perhaps there is more to the story.
What think the crocus experts?
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The early crocuses are still blooming here in my zone 7, Maryland, USA garden. Believe it or not, although we are well over a thousand miles south of you, we are on a bloom schedule which seems to be closer to that of Sweden than that of the UK - at least for the very early bloomers.
Amazing! I would have thought your spring season started much earlier.
Crocus vernus or not it is a mystery where it came from. The same goes for 'Herald'. I have not planted either of them and have not seen them before anywhere and we have lived here for more than 25 years now.
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Maggi, what a wonderful spring garden, you are far ahead of us. I love the combination of crocus, corydalis, hepatica, leucojum and helleborus. This must surely be the best time of the year.
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It is a lovely time of year, Gunilla.... even better when the rhododendrons and erythroniums really get started ;D
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Maggi,
What fantastic C. pelistericus. Can I ask, how often do you repot them?
Alex
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When I saw the photos I was amazed at the difference in the colours shown on the monitor between the first pic, taken a couple of days ago on a dull day and todays' shot in bright sun.... neither is quite right, of course....actual colour is very deep purple with just some blue!!
Theoretically, we would aim to repot every year... in fact, these have been languishing in that pond basket for about three years now. :-[ They have only a very short time without growing roots... makes repotting a bit of a time lottery.
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Maggi,
What fantastic C. pelistericus. Can I ask, how often do you repot them?
Alex
I repot pelistericus, scardicus, scharojanii once in two years. All they are quite difficult because they allways are with roots. Scharojanii I'm repotting in middle July and try not to damage roots - immediately planting in new pot. Pelistericus and scardicus I'm repotting at end of August as their seeds ripe very late. There are one out-grown species with same habit - C. veluchensis. It makes new roots before leaves die but it didn't suffer much from replanting. After harvesting I keep its corms in plastic bag with slightly moist peat moss. It works very well.
Here still deep winter, snowing almost every day and at weekend offered minus 10 C. Where is global warming?
Janis
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Gunilla, your unknown Crocus looks like vernus to me, although I also see a yellow throat, which would exclude vernus.
The dark one can't be Herald, because Herald has a dark throat, yours is brighter than the top of the petals
and much smaller than the true Herald. I think it's a seedling.
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Maggi,
What fantastic C. pelistericus. Can I ask, how often do you repot them?
Alex
I never repot mine,I have just put the ball of compost into a bigger pot without disturbing the roots.
Janis I find your comments on Crocus veluchensis roots very interesting because I always dry mine off. Not any more, I will try your method but can you tell me does the same apply to Crocus sieberi and do you treat them the same?
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Any help with this Crocus found in SE Bulgaria about 5m above sealevel in a sandy soil. The style is six branched and the anthers are smaller than 'typical' Crocus flavus we have here. The floral tube is a bronzy brown and there is a faint greenish black streaking leading from this to the petals. Flora Bulgarica lists only Crocus flavus for this area. Sorry no side view available the pics were taken on site and the side shot didn't work.
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Gunilla, your unknown Crocus looks like vernus to me, although I also see a yellow throat, which would exclude vernus.
The dark one can't be Herald, because Herald has a dark throat, yours is brighter than the top of the petals
and much smaller than the true Herald. I think it's a seedling.
Thomas, I think you might be right on both counts.
But there are some things which cause me to have doubts.
For instance, do you think the yellow color in the throat is real color? Might it simply be a reflection of the color of the anthers?
For another, imagine that it is years ago and we are being shown purported Crocus speciosus with yellow throats. Wouldn't we say "They can't be Crocus speciosus because that species does not have a yellow throat" ? Yet the eventual discovery of the xantholaimos forms of that species would cause us to revise our thinking.
And here's something else: Mathew in his discussion of Crocus vernus in The Crocus mentions a Crocus montenegrinus which has the peculiarly deformed anthers seen in Gunilla's crocus (the distal part of the anther is modified into a style-like structure). Mathew goes on to say that this mutation occurs sporadically throughout the genus (and thus is not diagnostic for montenegrinus or any other form of Crocus vernus). It intrigues me that we are, with Gunilla's plant, obviously dealing with something with strong Crocus vernus influence, something which is basically Crocus vernus but with some peculiar differences.
The closely related Crocus etruscus has a yellow throat, and a chromosome count the same as that of some forms of C. vernus: I wonder if we are looking at a hybrid?
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Any help with this Crocus found in SE Bulgaria about 5m above sealevel in a sandy soil. The style is six branched and the anthers are smaller than 'typical' Crocus flavus we have here. The floral tube is a bronzy brown and there is a faint greenish black streaking leading from this to the petals. Flora Bulgarica lists only Crocus flavus for this area. Sorry no side view available the pics were taken on site and the side shot didn't work.
It could be Crocus olivieri ssp olivieri which is listed for S Bulgaria amongst other places. (Forgive my ignorance if that is hundreds of miles from you! .... but it could still be C olivieri.) Leaves few and wide for olivieri ... difficult to judge from the pic. Flowers generally smaller than flavus and more rounded petal shape. The divided style fits olivieri.
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The dark one can't be Herald, because Herald has a dark throat, yours is brighter than the top of the petals
and much smaller than the true Herald. I think it's a seedling.
Thomas, what does this mean? In Gunilla's photo, the throat is not shown. And how are you judging the size of the flower?
Now that I've gone back and taken another look at Gunilla's image, I notice something else. My plants of 'Herald' have a bright orange-red style, something I do not see in Gunilla's image.
Here are two images of what I grow as 'Herald'. Note the wide variation in the color seen in the images - due, no doubt, to the light conditions when the photos were made.
Thomas, do these agree with what you know as 'Herald'?
edit by Maggi- Jim, I've turned your photo around!
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I was finding it tricky to go back and forth to Gunilla's ??'Herald' photo so here it is again....
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Any help with this Crocus found in SE Bulgaria about 5m above sealevel in a sandy soil. The style is six branched and the anthers are smaller than 'typical' Crocus flavus we have here. The floral tube is a bronzy brown and there is a faint greenish black streaking leading from this to the petals. Flora Bulgarica lists only Crocus flavus for this area. Sorry no side view available the pics were taken on site and the side shot didn't work.
It could be Crocus olivieri ssp olivieri which is listed for S Bulgaria amongst other places. (Forgive my ignorance if that is hundreds of miles from you! .... but it could still be C olivieri.) Leaves few and wide for olivieri ... difficult to judge from the pic. Flowers generally smaller than flavus and more rounded petal shape. The divided style fits olivieri.
Thanks Tony. I was hoping it would be Crocus olivieri ssp olivieri because of the divided style. It is in the right place and not far away from the Turkish border. :)
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Simon I live just this side of Bulgarian frontier. I am sure that is C. olivieri subsp. olivieri and it is very common here. C. flavus subsp. flavus is more rare for that location.
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So much to learn, so many new images to study, if I don't check into this thread for a few days. Many thanks to everyone.
My first C. kotschyanus are out, beginning a new crocus year for me. I plan to make a complete list off all crocuses I grow this year (she said hopefully, but we all know about the triumph of hope over experience). Even more, to marke where they are growing. ::)
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Simon I live just this side of Bulgarian frontier. I am sure that is C. olivieri subsp. olivieri and it is very common here. C. flavus subsp. flavus is more rare for that location.
Thanks Ibrahim. It is a beautiful and wild area of Bulgaria with a great diversity of flora. Is it the same on your side of the border?
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Things move on so quickly! - but, from yesterday, thank you all for advice on C. pelistericus repotting.
Cheers,
Alex
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Maggi,
What fantastic C. pelistericus. Can I ask, how often do you repot them?
Alex
I never repot mine,I have just put the ball of compost into a bigger pot without disturbing the roots.
Janis I find your comments on Crocus veluchensis roots very interesting because I always dry mine off. Not any more, I will try your method but can you tell me does the same apply to Crocus sieberi and do you treat them the same?
No, Crocus sieberi likes dry rest. It is only veluchensis of such crazy habit. I use it for quick seperation between veluchensis and vernus as some forms look quite similar by flowers. Any doubt is solved at harvesting just by new roots on veluchensis.
Janis
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Any help with this Crocus found in SE Bulgaria about 5m above sealevel in a sandy soil. The style is six branched and the anthers are smaller than 'typical' Crocus flavus we have here. The floral tube is a bronzy brown and there is a faint greenish black streaking leading from this to the petals. Flora Bulgarica lists only Crocus flavus for this area. Sorry no side view available the pics were taken on site and the side shot didn't work.
That is C. olivieri.
Janis
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Gunilla, your unknown Crocus looks like vernus to me, although I also see a yellow throat, which would exclude vernus.
For instance, do you think the yellow color in the throat is real color? Might it simply be a reflection of the color of the anthers?
I have looked closely now and the throat is not yellow, as you thought Jim, it is only a reflection of the colour of the anthers.
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Thanks Janis
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Thanks Gunilla for clearing the throat colour of your mystery crocus - so it's C. vernus.
Jim, the flower height was judged simply by noting that Gunilla's plant is flowering on a very short stem, while true 'Herald' is a very large chrysanthus cultivar with a different flower shape. If I say throat colour I mean the OUTER throat-colour of Gunilla's plant. True Herald, as seen in the New-Plantsmen article 3/97 by Johann van Scheepen and in my garden, has a dark outer-throat colour. Your first plant looks like Herald, except the brighter throat, but your second photo surely isn't Herald - perhaps a seedling?
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Thomas,
What happened with your photo camera ??? ???
We're still waiting impatiently to see the 2009 version of your Crocus Wiese ! :P ;)
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Thomas,
What happened with your photo camera ??? ???
We're still waiting impatiently to see the 2009 version of your Crocus Wiese ! :P ;)
Luc, I had hope, that nobody would realize that :-\ I'm still sooo busy in my job, that
I don't have time to make photos. The few I took still have to be selected, reduced
and posted, sorry :-[
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The first pair of sunny hours this spring! Really the second time but during first I was away in mountains of Crimea. So crocuses opened and I run to greenhouse through deep snow covering all outside (it is again snowing...). On first picture one of crocus beds in greenhouse.
And came quite great surprise. I never before noted great changes in crocus color from season to season. It is quite common in other bulbs, but in crocuses? The first signal came few weeks ago when I got complaint from one of my customers about my variety Crocus sieberi 'Cretan Snow'. On picture mailed to me it had some purple shading on petals back didn't note by me before and I even supposed that it is seedling of Cretan Snow for some mistake sent instead of true. Now all my 'Cretan Snow' has such petals back-color.
Two years ago I got from Gothenburg a seedling of Crocus malyi x unknown. I marked it as "nothing special" both years - you can see it on picture #1 made in spring 2008. On next pair of pictures the same pot (I didn't replant it last season) this spring. How nice plant!
Janis
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Janis my Crocus sieberi 'Cretan Snow' is also blue/ purple on the outside- it is beautiful- well done for introducing it. :)
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Now few pictures of Crocus sieberi subsp. sieberi. First two are of 'Cretan Snow' pictured spring 2008. Then variable stock from Omalos plain and as last the absolutely gorgeous form which I got from my English friend (OS-0002). By color it is almost identical to hybrid 'Hubert Edelsten' but it is smaller, rounder and of more delicate outer appearance.
Janis
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A pair more pictures. Crocus ancyrensis usually is brightest yellow. Here you can see very unusual form of it with brownish flowers found in Turkey. On first open flowers. on second in buds surrounded by usual golden colored forms.
Janis
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Janis
Stunning Crocus as always :) Particularly like the 'brown' ancyrensis.
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Now variation in Crocus abantensis - traditional widespread form and dark lilac, striped and white
Janis
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Janis
Great to see your beautiful crocus both en masse and close up.
I have grown many clones of Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi for years but I have not noticed variation in the markings from year to year. Seedlings are different from their parents but this is what we might expect. The special one you show 'from your english friend' is lovely, different from Hubert Edelsten as I grow it and I think yours is better!
The malyi x is very nice but how do you tell it is not Crocus vernus ssp vernus? I have some forms of this which are quite similar.
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Janis
Great to see your beautiful crocus both en masse and close up.
I have grown many clones of Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi for years but I have not noticed variation in the markings from year to year. Seedlings are different from their parents but this is what we might expect. The special one you show 'from your english friend' is lovely, different from Hubert Edelsten as I grow it and I think yours is better!
The malyi x is very nice but how do you tell it is not Crocus vernus ssp vernus? I have some forms of this which are quite similar.
I got this "Crocus malyi x ?" from Gothenburg BG as seedling from C. malyi seeds - most possibly it is hybrid with some of vernus forms.
Here some more pictures of C. sieberi showing variation in it. In morning I had possibility to picture 0002 in bud.
Janis
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Number 4 is fantastic- how long from now until sale?
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Stunning C. sieberii Janis !!! :o :o :o
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Simon, that is all what I have from this sieberi form.
Just now blooms my real favourite - Crocus aerius. There are 2 pictures of it, I have another one stock with greater variability, but picture isn't so good. Will try to make better tomorrow if there will be sun for some hour.
Can't withstand temptation to show you a pair of really schocking hybrids of reticulata irises raised by Alan McMurtrie in Canada (that is all what I have at moment). Named 'Down to Earth' (McMutrie's) is included in my current catalogue.
Janis
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Janis the Coffee brown 1 is set to be a winner. By the way I am 39, I can wait for the Crocus sieberi forms to bulk up. We have had our first germinations form the Iris reticulata seeds we bought from Alan 2 years ago- open pollinated I think, but if they are 100th as good as yours it will be worth the wait.
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Janis - the C sieberi Cretan Snow seedlings are interesting. Some (most?) have a paler colour purple for their markings. Almost all the C sieberi sieberi that I have seen has dark purple marking. Is this pale colour unusual? Or could this be some hybrid influence from other subspecies of C sieberi? I like them anyway :)
The Crocus aerius is magnificent. I have the same form and so far it seems vigorous increasing by corm and seed :) :) :)
I am not sure about the brown Iris ..... I like them blue :-\
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Janis, my Cretan Snow is coloured in standard white - no hint of blue.
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There are some lovely variations though. We opened the bulb frame today, after removing 20cm of snow, and although my 'Cretan Snow' refused to open it did allow us to marvel at the colour range on the throat- red to orange to yellow, then blue dusting fading into white.
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Janis - the C sieberi Cretan Snow seedlings are interesting. Some (most?) have a paler colour purple for their markings. Almost all the C sieberi sieberi that I have seen has dark purple marking. Is this pale colour unusual? Or could this be some hybrid influence from other subspecies of C sieberi? I like them anyway :)
The Crocus aerius is magnificent. I have the same form and so far it seems vigorous increasing by corm and seed :) :) :)
I am not sure about the brown Iris ..... I like them blue :-\
Tony, sieberi Cretan Snow started from single bulb collected by my Czech friend in Crete and sent to me as Crocus sp. At that time it was the single plant of subsp. sieberi and was grown in greenhouse. All other subsp. of sieberi I grew only outside then. Surprisingly - it turned selffertile and set a lot of seeds after handpollination with own pollens. Seedlings for the first time bloomed in spring 2008 and those are on picture.
C. aerius is variable, here attached picture with another stock - KPPS-9301 - it is very variable but all have starry white zone around throat, so characteristic to aerius.
Janis
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'Cretan Snow'
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That's just like mine Mark- a stunning colour change all the way up :)
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Crocus cvijicii Cream of Creams ex JR.
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... Cretan Snow started from single bulb collected by my Czech friend in Crete and sent to me as Crocus sp. At that time it was the single plant of subsp. sieberi and was grown in greenhouse. All other subsp. of sieberi I grew only outside then. Surprisingly - it turned selffertile and set a lot of seeds after handpollination with own pollens. Seedlings for the first time bloomed in spring 2008 and those are on picture.
C. aerius is variable, here attached picture with another stock - KPPS-9301 - it is very variable but all have starry white zone around throat, so characteristic to aerius.
Janis
Thanks for the info about Cretan Snow. The variable collection of Crocus aerius has some superb forms. I hope one day there will be enough of them for all of us ;)
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Thanks Gunilla for clearing the throat colour of your mystery crocus - so it's C. vernus.
Jim, the flower height was judged simply by noting that Gunilla's plant is flowering on a very short stem, while true 'Herald' is a very large chrysanthus cultivar with a different flower shape. If I say throat colour I mean the OUTER throat-colour of Gunilla's plant. True Herald, as seen in the New-Plantsmen article 3/97 by Johann van Scheepen and in my garden, has a dark outer-throat colour. Your first plant looks like Herald, except the brighter throat, but your second photo surely isn't Herald - perhaps a seedling?
Thanks, Thomas, I'll have to search out the New-Plantsman article and have a look.
My second photo is of stock received in 2007; as you can see, it's a uniform stock. Evidently someone is growing and supplying this as 'Herald'. Perhaps I have another 'Lady Killer' /'Prins Claus' dilemma on my hands.
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Jim, please let me know, what you mean with the "Ladykiller/Prins Claus dilemma"!
I have a copy of the Plantsmen article, if you want...
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Jim, please let me know, what you mean with the "Ladykiller/Prins Claus dilemma"!
I have a copy of the Plantsmen article, if you want...
Thomas, for many years I was uncertain about the distinction between 'Lady Killer' and 'Prins Claus'. The illustrations I often saw in catalogs did not always match the plants in my garden. Now I think I have accurately names stock of each, but for a long time things were a muddle.
Please take a look at these and tell me what you think:
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Jim, please let me know, what you mean with the "Ladykiller/Prins Claus dilemma"!
I have a copy of the Plantsmen article, if you want...
Thomas, for many years I was uncertain about the distinction between 'Lady Killer' and 'Prins Claus'. The illustrations I often saw in catalogs did not always match the plants in my garden. Now I think I have accurately names stock of each, but for a long time things were a muddle.
Please take a look at these and tell me what you think:
Ladykiller looks true. Prins Claus is more to white side, if I remember correctly. I'm not taking pictures of Dutch cultivars. I have still few corms of Prins Claus but they are under deep Snow still. I hope they still are as just now I found that in my large tunnel with bulb beds rodents made me free from quite large stocks of 11 my tulip species hybrids. All they were eaten in spring side of winter as made even short stolones and in some shoots reached surface. Now left only white roots... No hole foundable more, so nowhere to put pink "present".
Just found old slide of Prins Claus - it has more rounded flower segments and yours picture is true, too.
Janis
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Can't withstand temptation to share joy about this beautiful natural hybrid between C. chrysanthus and C. biflorus subsp. isauricus.
Janis
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Good things should always be shared :) Thanks!
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I hope they still are as just now I found that in my large tunnel with bulb beds rodents made me free from quite large stocks of 11 my tulip species hybrids. All they were eaten in spring side of winter as made even short stolones and in some shoots reached surface. Now left only white roots... No hole foundable more, so nowhere to put pink "present".
Janis you have deepest condolences. I understand exactly how you feel. It is all made so much harder when there is still snow on the ground and the rodents can make secret passages. Our last resort has been building concrete bunkers lined with wire mesh. Luckily our only problems so far have been with voles which they say cannot climb as well as mice or rats.
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some new flowers today,
Cr. angustifolius 'Berlin Gold', unnatural large bulbs often with deformed leave
`` biflorus ssp.biflorus, inside white and blue
`` candidus 'Lune', a seedling from Cr.candidus var.subflavus ( Cr.candidus x olivieri )
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and more flowers,
Cr. vernus ssp.heuffelianus, several seedlings
`` jessoppiae ( Cr.pestalozzae x ??? )
`` versicolor from Dept.Var, France
`` vernus 'Fantasy', a cross between vernus and tommasinianus
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A lovely collection of C. abantensis Janis. So much variation. I have just a blue but it is a good blue and I love it very much.
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The Coffee Brown and other retic irises are real stunners and, dare I say it, a welcome little break from crocuses. (OK it's the Crocus page so I'll go and hide in a corner with my head in a paper bag :-[)
All I have out here at present are the beginnings of C. kotschyanus and Colchicum autumnale as well as some other autumn-flowering things.
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Can't withstand temptation to share joy about this beautiful natural hybrid between C. chrysanthus and C. biflorus subsp. isauricus.
Janis
A truly lovely plant. :P
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The hybrid C 'Fantasy' is fantastic! What a super row when ther flowers open. :)
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Superb crocus.... I'm in heaven! 8)
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Dirk - you grow these crocus very, very well. A marvellous massed display :) :)
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many thanks,
here two forms from Crocus dalmaticus,
-the first is from Petrovac in Montenegro (sorry for the waste im background, it is from my neighbour )
-a larger form, many years in cultivation
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Marvellous Crocus Dirk - are there more to come?
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Today again sun is shining and few pictures maid. It was quite cool day and tonight is offered minus 9 C. Hope Crocuses will alive.
Crocus nevadensis from Spain, Marocco and of unknown origin
Crocus carpetanus from Portugal and white Iris reticulata found by my friend in mountains of Armenia.
Janis
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Dirk,
superb C. dalmaticus and C. versicolor!
Janis,
like the striped C. nevadensis.
Is it a species for outside or more better suited for greenhouse?
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At last, a truly white Iris reticulata. What a lovely thing it is. :)
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Lesley, yes the white I. reticulata is lovely.
Hi,
Gerd Knoche recently posted crocus meadow pictures from Botanical Garden in Wuppertal (BGW).
I could not ignore and asked him to show me the garden a couple of days later.
It was a wonderful - no a phantastic relaxing - afternoon with sunshine and almost no clouds.
Thank you Gerd.
Here an extract of shots I've taken.
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On the meadow there are (hundred)thousends of mainly C. vernus and C. tommasianus and their hybrids.
Gerd and I found some worth for posting...
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Marvellous Armin!
The mixture of forms seems similar to those I saw in a local Cemetery. You seem to have found them on a much bigger area though :) :) :) :)
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Tony, yes! :D
more...
Especial the C. vernus (hybrid) form with dark tips attracted me.
Compare to the normal C. vernus ssp. vernus with dark tips...
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more...
...the large bicolor tommy - so soft sky blue color outside and darker inside -
...and a nice blotch of Vanguard.
Almost at the end white tommies in Gerds garden...
Finally, for those who don't have seen 5 Mio crocus in flower yet...
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3242.0 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=3242.0)
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The bi-color tommies are very beautiful 8)
I'm beginning to think that every crocus in the world will soon be in Germany! We have some attractive plantings around Aberdeen, but these we are seeing from Germany are amazing.... such beauty, and there for all to enjoy! 8) 8)
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This is what I have a Crocus corsicus bought from a reputable supplier 18 months ago. However this one seems to have a yellowing in the throat which is not in the description. Is it corsicus or a hybrid ?
Sorry about the picture it is between other pots and well rooted into the sand of a plunge and was almost impossible to get a good shot
Great pictures everyone most of mine are now finished
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Dirk,
superb C. dalmaticus and C. versicolor!
Janis,
like the striped C. nevadensis.
Is it a species for outside or more better suited for greenhouse?
Crocus nevadensis is only for greenhouse. It alived for some years outside but not bloomed and soon I lost it.
Janis
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The Coffee Brown and other retic irises are real stunners and, dare I say it, a welcome little break from crocuses. (OK it's the Crocus page so I'll go and hide in a corner with my head in a paper bag :-[)
All I have out here at present are the beginnings of C. kotschyanus and Colchicum autumnale as well as some other autumn-flowering things.
Perhaps if Janis doesn't have the time to post his retic iris pics to the Retic Iris Thread then Maggi might oblige? ::) (this the closest emoticon to "doe eyes"!) edit by Maggi.... 'tis done ! :-*
We also have Crocus kotschyanus in bloom!
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This came from seed from one of the Seedexes as C. nudiflorus but when I showed a pic last year it was identified as C. kotschyanus.
cheers
fermi
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At last, a truly white Iris reticulata. What a lovely thing it is. :)
Lesley,
There is another one white reticulata selected from wild material many, many years ago by Alan McMurtrie. He sold stock to Wim de Goede in Holland who applied micropropogation technology on it and now have good stock. It was named WHITE CAUCASUS and exhibited at Breezand show (Holland) for first time I think in spring 2007. I think it soon must appear on trade. I didn't see it personally so I can't judge about differences or similarity with mine. You can see Alan's hybrids on his web page, suppose that address was reticulata.com or similar - I haven't time to search it now.
Janis
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The Coffee Brown and other retic irises are real stunners and, dare I say it, a welcome little break from crocuses. (OK it's the Crocus page so I'll go and hide in a corner with my head in a paper bag :-[)
All I have out here at present are the beginnings of C. kotschyanus and Colchicum autumnale as well as some other autumn-flowering things.
Perhaps if Janis doesn't have the time to post his retic iris pics to the Retic Iris Thread then Maggi might oblige? ::) (this the closest emoticon to "doe eyes"!)
We also have Crocus kotschyanus in bloom!
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This came from seed from one of the Seedexes as C. nudiflorus but when I showed a pic last year it was identified as C. kotschyanus.
cheers
fermi
Relating Irises and other bulbs - I really haven't time to check those topics - I'm looking only on Crocuses. Sorry.
Janis
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Armin,
Thanks for the lovely walk you took us on ! :D
What an amazing display !! :o :o
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This is what I have a Crocus corsicus bought from a reputable supplier 18 months ago. However this one seems to have a yellowing in the throat which is not in the description. Is it corsicus or a hybrid ?
Ian - I have the impression that many or most of the current Dutch imports are like this. I wonder whether it is a hybrid with C. imperatii?
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This is what I have a Crocus corsicus bought from a reputable supplier 18 months ago. However this one seems to have a yellowing in the throat which is not in the description. Is it corsicus or a hybrid ?
Ian - I have the impression that many or most of the current Dutch imports are like this. I wonder whether it is a hybrid with C. imperatii?
Gerry this one didn't come from Holland and is flowering as it should at be as the last one of my collection ???
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This is what I have a Crocus corsicus bought from a reputable supplier 18 months ago. However this one seems to have a yellowing in the throat which is not in the description. Is it corsicus or a hybrid ?
Ian - I have the impression that many or most of the current Dutch imports are like this. I wonder whether it is a hybrid with C. imperatii?
Ian you appear to be growing the same clone that I bought 20 years ago. The same Uk supplier still offers it now but it may well originally have come in from Holland. Mine has become 'tired' ie sick having fewer flowers and showing evidence of virus in leaves and flowers. It is in the bonfire pile. It used to be very vigorous, even in the garden, that and the yellow throat do suggest hybrid origins. None of the 'wild' corsicus that I have raised from seed have any yellow in the throat. However it would be good to hear from someone with experience of it in the wild as most crocus are much more variable than cultivated stocks suggest.
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Ian, Gerry, Tony,
I don't have such long experience with C. corsicus and possible hybrids.
When I visited the Botanischen Garten Wuppertal there were C. corsicus already withered. I was quite surprised.
I always thought C. corsicus is one of the latest in blossom of spring flowering species.
Gerd was confident this stock was collected by Erich Pasche.
The picture is not very attractive but just for evidence.
Unfortunately, I did not remember the inner color of the flower tube.
The picture is to bad to identify yellow or not.
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Thomas, for many years I was uncertain about the distinction between 'Lady Killer' and 'Prins Claus'. The illustrations I often saw in catalogs did not always match the plants in my garden. Now I think I have accurately names stock of each, but for a long time things were a muddle.
Please take a look at these and tell me what you think:
Jim I would say, your plants are OK. Ladykiller has longer, pointed petals, Prins Claus has rounded, balloon-like petals.
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After the avalanche the first gleam of hope in my garden. Most Crocus are from Thomas!
Crcus sieberi ssp.?
Crocus malyii (Kroatia)
Crocus tommasianus
Crocus sieberi ssp.?
Crocus gargaricus ?
Crocus ?
Thomas or anybody, do you know the correct names, I have lost the labels due to the snow!
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What a relief to see those flowers, Hans, and how good it is that you are not under the avalanche either!
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Thomas, for many years I was uncertain about the distinction between 'Lady Killer' and 'Prins Claus'. The illustrations I often saw in catalogs did not always match the plants in my garden. Now I think I have accurately names stock of each, but for a long time things were a muddle.
Please take a look at these and tell me what you think:
Jim I would say, your plants are OK. Ladykiller has longer, pointed petals, Prins Claus has rounded, balloon-like petals.
Thanks, Thomas.
Although I grow many crocuses identified by botanical name only, there have "always" been some of these Dutch hybrid crocuses in the garden. However, in our climate (generally sunny and warm when the crocuses are in bloom) the flowers are almost always seen wide open. And because of that - and the circumstance that the distinguishing markings are on the outside of the tepals - they all become one of two crocuses: the little white ones and the little yellow-orange ones.
This year I grew many of them in a cold frame. And this year I think I saw many of them close up and as if for the first time. The varied markings and the sometimes very subtle colors (especially in the blue ones) were a revelation to me, so much so that I now think they are wasted in the open garden. They are too good to be grown only as garden plants.
So now I have a renewed interest in these familiar plants - and I want my stocks to be correctly named!
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After the avalanche the first gleam of hope in my garden. Most Crocus are from Thomas!
Crocus ?
Thomas or anybody, do you know the correct names, I have lost the labels due to the snow!
The last seem to be C. korolkowii - by number of leaves and color, but I cant to see other details.
Janis
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Thanks Janis, for your note about the 'White Caucasus.' I think I've heard of that name. If it's being propagated that's good news but I doubt if it will reach New Zealand in my lifetime. Iris danfordiae is only available the last couple of years!!!
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Thanks Janis, for your note about the 'White Caucasus.' I think I've heard of that name. If it's being propagated that's good news but I doubt if it will reach New Zealand in my lifetime. Iris danfordiae is only available the last couple of years!!!
Lesley, please look in the Iris reticulata pages, too.... Luit has reminded us there of other posts about this white charmer.
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Ian, Gerry, Tony,
I don't have such long experience with C. corsicus and possible hybrids.
When I visited the Botanischen Garten Wuppertal there were C. corsicus already withered. I was quite surprised.
I always thought C. corsicus is one of the latest in blossom of spring flowering species.
Gerd was confident this stock was collected by Erich Pasche.
The picture is not very attractive but just for evidence.
Unfortunately, I did not remember the inner color of the flower tube.
The picture is to bad to identify yellow or not.
Armin looking at your picture there does seem to be some yellow on the outside of the flower. Must say the one shown on Tony's Crocus pages definitely doesn't show this feature http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/ (http://www.thealpinehouse.fsnet.co.uk/crocus%20pages/). Perhaps it is more varied in nature ??? or maybe a hybrid but nice all the same. Thank you all for your input
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Thanks Janis, for your note about the 'White Caucasus.' I think I've heard of that name. If it's being propagated that's good news but I doubt if it will reach New Zealand in my lifetime. Iris danfordiae is only available the last couple of years!!!
I haven't WHITE CAUCASUS, too. My stock of white reticulata (wild) is only 1 flowering + 4 grains.
Another supposed white turned in very light blue.
Janis
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Another Crocus (?) in the bulb frame. Could it be C.kosaninii from a different source to my others?
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Yes - I think it looks like C kosaninii too!
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Thanks Tony- it's in the bulb frame but has flowered later than the ones I had outside.
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After the avalanche the first gleam of hope in my garden. Most Crocus are from Thomas!
Crcus sieberi ssp.?
Crocus malyii (Kroatia)
Crocus tommasianus
Crocus sieberi ssp.?
Crocus gargaricus ?
Crocus ?
Thomas or anybody, do you know the correct names, I have lost the labels due to the snow!
Hans, the first is sieberi 'Bowles White'
4th is sieberi ssp sublimis forma Tricolor
the last is C. korolkowii
Sorry, can't help with gargaricus ? only that it doesn't look like gargaricus.
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After the avalanche the first gleam of hope in my garden. Most Crocus are from Thomas!
Crcus sieberi ssp.? Crocus malyii (Kroatia) Crocus tommasianus Crocus sieberi ssp.? Crocus gargaricus ?
Crocus ?
Thomas or anybody, do you know the correct names, I have lost the labels due to the snow!
Hans, the first is sieberi 'Bowles White'
4th is sieberi ssp sublimis forma Tricolor
the last is C. korolkowii
Sorry, can't help with gargaricus ? only that it doesn't look like gargaricus.
Agree with Thomas on all. The gargaricus looks like C flavus perhaps?
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Many thanks for the identification of my Crocus!
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My Crocus sieberi
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they are superb and the first and last are beautifully marked
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What can I say, Franz? Superb! 8)
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Very beautiful Franz,
I like the second and the last ones especially
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:o :o :o Oh My!! Those sieberis are stunning. Franz are they your selection?
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Franz ! Wunderschön !!!
Where have you been hiding these formidable beauties until now ???? ;D
They are absolutely superb.
Nr 1 and nr 7 are my favourites - but I like them all !!!
Thanks very much for showing them !!
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I forgotten to mention, those are all self seedlings.
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Magnificent, Franz!
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Gorgeous :D
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Franz,
wunderful, wunderful! 8) 8) 8) 8) 8)
It looks your crocus like the climate of Vienna very much ;D
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Simply Magnificent!
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Lovely selection Franz. Did the bees do it by themselves or did you help nature a little yourself?
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Franz, you might make a Crocus breeder very jealous with your "just seedlings"
Nr. 7 is surely one of the best!
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At long last
my first crocuses.
edit: too big size :D
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Ian,
The bees do it!
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Juat to prove that Franz, Thomas et alia have had a good influence on my garden I am posting a photograph taken a few weeks back of crocus in the grass in my garden. I planted these last autumn and also planted another group of a paler blue colour which were finished flowering when this photograph was taken.
I am hopeful that I can continue to add to these planting each year to produce an area of naturalised bulbs and might someday have a nice bulb lawn like Franz and Thomas.
Paddy
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Found a photograph of the earlier flowering crocus.
Paddy
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For Arda
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Ah! that's better I was getting a very stiff neck. ;D
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Sorry about that, apparently mine was enormous.
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Paddy, the beginning is super.
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Keep going, Paddy, the lawn looks good now and will only improve with more plantings.
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Franz and David,
Many thanks for your complients on my beginnings Yes, I will add more bulbs to this patch this year, some of the common snowdrops in a few weeks time and more crocus in the autumn at least.
It's a nice effect in the garden and I'm sorry I didn't do it long ago ... but then I hadn't seen the lovely examples posted on this forum at that stage.
Paddy
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few from my last crocus for this spring,
Crocus corsicus, larger form Mt.Cinto
'' cvijicii, yellow and creme form
'' `Spring Beauty`, real a minimus hort. with virus
no chance for this, all plants no more alive
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My Crocus sieberi
Franz,
These sieberi are absolutely amazing!! The first and second ones are just to die for, particularly the second with it's picotee edging. Would love to have "self seedlings" like that in my garden. ;D I was mortified to discover just recently that my favourite sieberi 'Hubert Edelsten' had gone to the great Crocus garden in the sky. C. siberi is just such an amzing species isn't it? So much variability evidenced by the various pictures here on the forums over the years. Thanks so much for adding your wonderful selection of seedlings!
I've only caught up with a few pages of this topic as yet..... there's 26 pages just for this month alone!! :o Great stuff everyone. ;D
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Dirk, the virused minimus, did you dispose of them or did they simply die?
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Lesley,
i throw plants with virus in waste container.
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Lesley,
i throw plants with virus in waste container.
I'm doing the same. Last autumn I baught 100 corms of Spring Beauty - now they all are in waste container - all virus infected.
Janis
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Lesley,
i throw plants with virus in waste container.
I'm doing the same. Last autumn I baught 100 corms of Spring Beauty - now they all are in waste container - all virus infected.
Janis
I'm happy you did not buy them in Holland, Janis. :D
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Lesley,
i throw plants with virus in waste container.
I'm doing the same. Last autumn I baught 100 corms of Spring Beauty - now they all are in waste container - all virus infected.
Janis
I'm happy you did not buy them in Holland, Janis. :D
Oh, oh... just in Holland.
Janis
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I'm happy you did not buy them in Holland, Janis. :D
Oh, oh... just in Holland.
Janis
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Oooh, but then you have to explain something Janis.
You wrote in December the following words:
This is the reason why I stopped all purchasing from Dutch nurseries.
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I'm happy you did not buy them in Holland, Janis. :D
Oh, oh... just in Holland.
Janis
Oooh, but then you have to explain something Janis.
You wrote in December the following words:
This is the reason why I stopped all purchasing from Dutch nurseries.
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Yes, I'm not buying. I bought a lot of other bulbs from my Chech friend and got those as bonus. Really receiving the list there was no species name and from label I thought about some new chrysanthus. Seeing bulbs I was surprised a little and then my friend wrote me that he bought 100 corms as new minimus variety for himself (he threw them away, too) and, knowing my interest in crocus species, 100 for me as present. I really stopped purchasing of bulbs from Holland with single exception - from Jan Pennings, De Bilt, Breezand - directly from grower. I'm buying in Holland only new perennial varieties for my wife's nursery - but again only directly from grower. All other stocks usually are of so bad quality, misnamed, mixed, virus infected that it really is loss of money.
Sincerely
Janis
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I really stopped purchasing of bulbs from Holland with single exception - from Jan Pennings, De Bilt, Breezand
Janis, I have nothing to do with the Dutch bulb growers or traders and you may buy your bulbs where you like,
but in your message of December you were exceptional clear with your statement about the Dutch growers.
Therefore my reaction.
Both of us know very well, what your last sentence in that message (IN CAPITALS) was.
Because your message was edited in March and these last words were deleted,
I thought it inappropriate to quote this line here too.