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Mystery plants from Crete
« on: July 22, 2012, 12:32:08 PM »
Any idea what this could be? I suppose it must be a Sedum of some sort, perhaps a monocarpic one. Photographed in central Crete near Tilissos.
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #1 on: July 24, 2012, 06:26:24 AM »
Kees Jan,

Looks like Sedum litoreum.
Its two subsp from Crete (subsp litoreum & subsp praesidis) are treated at the moment as one.
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #2 on: August 22, 2012, 07:44:05 PM »
Here are some mistery plants from the eastern part of the island:

1 ?
2-3 some Boraginaceae, possibly Alkanna?
4 something in Brassicaceae
5-6 Lotus
7 Lupinus
8 Ophrys
9 Ophrys
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #3 on: August 24, 2012, 07:45:37 PM »
Kees Jan,

Valerianella [probably coronata]
Silene colorata & Echium arenarium [not Alkanna]
Malcolmia [probably flexuosa]
Lotus cytisoides and seems like L. pilosus under.
Lupinus albus & Helichrysum conglobatum.
Ophrys sphegodes subsp mammosa
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #4 on: August 24, 2012, 08:54:38 PM »
Kees Jan,

Valerianella [probably coronata]
Silene colorata & Echium arenarium [not Alkanna]
Malcolmia [probably flexuosa]
Lotus cytisoides and seems like L. pilosus under.
Lupinus albus & Helichrysum conglobatum.
Ophrys sphegodes subsp mammosa
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #5 on: August 25, 2012, 08:41:03 AM »
Many thanks Oron!

Here are a few more:
Sedum
Serapias
Taraxacum?
Some sort of succulent (with Hypecoum procumbens in flower)
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #6 on: August 25, 2012, 10:51:01 AM »
Oron,

You're an absolute mine of information.  Brilliant!!!  :o

Kees,

The Serapias looks like S. lingua to me.  I have one just like it in my collection.  If it is a different species to that I'd be interested to know, so I can relabel mine. :D
« Last Edit: August 25, 2012, 10:55:59 AM by Paul T »
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #7 on: August 25, 2012, 11:31:41 AM »
Thanks guys...

1. Sedum might be S. album [not sure yet]
2. Serapias parviflora
3. [Taraxacum] looks more like Leontodon tuberosum to me.
4. not a sedum but Mesembryanthemum nodiflorum.
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #8 on: August 25, 2012, 11:40:41 AM »
The Serapias looks like S. lingua to me.  I have one just like it in my collection.  If it is a different species to that I'd be interested to know, so I can relabel mine. :D

Paul
Flowers of Serapias lingua are held almost 90 degrees to the stem and usually have a wider lip.

Saying that... Serapias tend to hybridize quite easily and since both present on Crete, theoretically you might find such.
« Last Edit: August 25, 2012, 11:42:18 AM by Oron Peri »
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #9 on: August 25, 2012, 02:17:53 PM »
Oron,

I'll have to go and check my photos for the angle of mine to the stem.  The flowers themselves from memory are very similar to those in the picture (although probably when I go back and look at the pictures I'll find they're totally different  ::)), with that similar thinner lip.  I do have another variety under the species name that has a much wider lip.  Now you've got me wondering.  ;D

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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #10 on: August 25, 2012, 07:02:55 PM »
Thanks again Oron :).

Here are a few more:

1 Ranunculus
2,3 Asteraceae
4 Lotus?
5 Mistery tree with attractive bark in the Patsos Gorge, 6 is a close-up of the leaves and flower buds
7 Malcolmia?
8,9 Lamiaceae
10 Cyclamen graecum, and possibly a Centaurea?
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #11 on: August 25, 2012, 09:00:42 PM »
Kees Jan,
Few photos lack important features of the plant in order to identify them 100%.

1. looks like Ranunculus gracilis [need a more detailed photo]
2+3 Carlina gummifera
4. Lotus ornithopoioides [again photo of the fruit is needed to be 100%]
5+6. Styrax officinalis
7. Malcolmia cant say which from the photo.
8+9 Sideritis curvidens
10. Cyclamen graecum and Centaurea raphanina.
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #12 on: August 26, 2012, 08:54:32 AM »
Thanks, impressive. I realise some of the pictures don't show essential details. Here are some more.

1 Lamiaceae
2 Ophrys
3 Gagea
4 Centranthus?
5-6 Erysimum
7 Brassicaceae
8,9 Asteraceae on the coast, possibly an introduced species
10 Orchis anatolica or Orchis quadripunctata
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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #13 on: August 26, 2012, 05:14:48 PM »
Kees Jan,
No 7 is a real mystery for me,  is it for sure from Crete? any details regarding the location?
as for the rest:

1. Micromeria nervosa
2. Ophrys fusca subsp cinereophila
3. Gagea fibrosa [ not typical color]
4. Centranthus calcitrapae
5&6. Erysimum candicum
8 & 9. Jacobaea maritima [syn Cineraria maritima, Scenecio cinerea] probably not native.
10. Orchis quadripuntata.


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Re: Mystery plants from Crete
« Reply #14 on: August 27, 2012, 07:30:53 PM »
Thanks :). The Brassicaceae was photographed on serpentine rock, near Spili, Central Crete.

Serapias
Bellis perennis?
Phlomis cretica or P. fruticosa
Sedum
Asteraceae
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