Celtis yunnanensis

[Kristl Walek]

Hello,
Can someone provide a description for this species and native range?

Thanks,
Kristl

[Anthony Darby]

Mmm, the Chinese Nettle tree?

[Kristl Walek]

I know it as Chinese or Asian Hackberry.
"Nettle?" tree---where does the "nettle" come from?

Kristl

[Anthony Darby]

The species I know is Celtis occidentalis [sorry, C. australis]. It is a deciduous tree growing to 70' tall with nettle-like leaves and is known as the 'Southern Nettle-tree' and grows around the Mediterranean.

[Kristl Walek]

Celtis occidentalis (the common Hackberry) is of course a North American native---at it's northern limit in my area of Canada....Common names are so fascinating--I have actually never heard Celtis referred to as "Nettle Tree" (but then I am a dunce as far as common names are concerned)--although I suppose the leaves are rather rough....

So, what about Chinese Nettle Tree---who knows it and grows it and can tell me more....?

Kristl

[Anthony Darby]

My apologies Kristl, I meant C. australis. ('Australis' means southern, and 'occidentalis' means western, even though it has an eastern distribution in the US.)

[Kristl Walek]

Not intending to flog a dead horse---but desperation is setting in---I have searched high and low, consulted every internet source, every book, every gardening group I belong to----does anyone perhaps have a Flora that I don't possess that might give any description for this species, and native range?

Kristl

[zephirine]

Hi Kristl,
Could C. yunnanensis and C. chinensis be the same plant?
Three of my books (a 15000 plants encyclopedia, the Hillier's Manual of Trees and Shrubs, and the late Jelena de Belder's Trees and Shrubs for parks and gardens) give some description of C. chinensis, but none mentions C. "yunnanensis"...
If these descriptions are of interest to you, I'll most willingly copy them and/or translate them for you...
Zephirine

[Kristl Walek]

Zepherine....thank you. I believe that C. yunnanensis is considered to be a valid name--I have gotten that far with it. But no further. Does anyone have a copy of the Flora Of China?

Kristl

[zephirine]

It would have been too obvious, of course!
Have you seen this particular page? It is about C. yunnanensis as a bonsai plant, but it gives some indication
http://www.gardening.eu/arc/plants/Bonsai/Celtis-yunnanensis-C.-K.-Schneid/13664/
This other one mentions it as very close to C. amphiloba, maybe a search on that name will give you more information (I didn't try...)
http://209.85.129.104/search?q=cache:n93uRpgIo9MJ:www.botanicus.org/primeocr/botanicus1/b11809048/31753003014922/31753003014922_0285.txt+%22celtis+yunnanensis%22&hl=fr&ct=clnk&cd=63&gl=fr
Hope this helps...
Zeph

[kirsitn]

Zepherine....thank you. I believe that C. yunnanensis is considered to be a valid name--I have gotten that far with it. But no further. Does anyone have a copy of the Flora Of China?

I have no personal experience with this plant, but according to the online version of the Flora of China, it is synonymous with C. tetrandra. (Not to be confused with C.tetrandra ssp. sinensis, which is synonymous with C.sinensis...  )

http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=242311743