Brian has been emptying an overgrown strip of garden with a view to planting it up with Sax. fortunei hybrids. We have several in pots and the fact that they flower at this time of the year is a great bonus. He was just waiting for them to flower (if we have guests we sometimes bring them in as a display) when he noticed one was looking rather peaky. Turned out it had 24 vine weevil grubs in the pot and no roots left. We had been congratulating ourselves that we hadn't seen much of them this year, pride comes before a vine weevil. Do forum members think it is too late to use Provado, night temperatures are dropping to about +4 - +6C?