Have a few challenges of alpine identification !?- Thanks.

[Maggi Young]

Antirrhinum can be any size from prostrate ( as Asarina procumbens) through to a giant I have heard of that makes five feet/ 1.5m! ( Never seen it)

Most are in the region of 10inches to 2ft/ 25cms to 60cms  and are perennial though they are often grown a hardy annuals -in the UK at least.
You could grow them from cuttings if you wanted to preserve a particular colour but they are quite simple form seed and so are usually propagated that way.

[Lesley Cox]

I especially like the 'Black Prince' cultivar which comes true from seed but I was given a few cutting in the first place. Love the very deep red flowers and almost red/black foliage. Seed later, if anyone wants it.

Maggi, Asarina procumbens does indeed grow to 1.5 metres and I could show you if Clematis akebioides (damned thing) hadn't grown all over it. I get occasional seedlings on the Asarina which climb up wire or shadecloth fences. They are very neat about it, lying flat and with a very "arranged" look. Will take some pics in the summer.

Sorry, I misread there. Yes, the Asarina is prostrate if there's nothing to climb on BUT it climbes to 1.5 metres if there IS something. Will scramble though a rhodo or anything else too.

[Maggi Young]

Yes, you've got the right end of the stick now, Lesley... the 1.5m giant snapdragon was an Antirrhinum not an Asarina .... as I said... I have not seen it, only read of it.... needs staking at the back of a border, of course.

[newstart]

Thanks Again for all the info. Its invaluable! I will look into doing some cuttings. I get a lot of self seeding which seem the same colour in foliage. I think the flower could vary although I suppose you wouldn't know until it did flower like many plants. Are flowers very variable from seed. As you say very pretty. My Antirrhinum was small but reverted and became bigger in year 2. First year it probably was getting its roots in still though. My Antirrhinum is greeny black foliage colour does any one know a species. If not not to worry.

Thanks I will get back to the forum as soon as I can

David!