Identification Galanthus

[RichardW]

I've got Upcher, was given to me many years ago but as so often happens there's no guarantee mine is right  

however it looks nothing like Augustus, the leaf is quite narrow, flower is small, dumpy and with a longish pedicel, it doesn't have the Augustus puckered outers.

pic I posted in the Feb thread

I'll take a pic this pm of the whole plant if it will help.

[Toft Tops]

Oh dear.  That looks exactly like what I have marked as Galatea which I bought at the same time and subsequently moved at the same time too!

[Anthony Darby]

The unknown with the small apical mark thought to be rizehensis or lagodechianus can't be either. Both species have narrower bright green leaves.

Davis gives the leaf colour for lagodechianus as 'bright to dark green,glossy to matt or infrequently becoming very slightly glaucescent' and the leaf width at flowering as 0.5-1cm. Given that the plant is of known wild origin (in the Caucasus) appears to have aplanate vernation and a single mark it still seems to me reasonable to ascribe it to lagodechianus.

So many unknowns on this thread I was looking at a different plant. I have several clumps of lagodechianus. These pics are mine from the old forum.

[Anthony Darby]

I'll take a pic of the leaves later, once the snow that has been lying for nearly two weeks disappears.

[RichardW]

Oh dear.  That looks exactly like what I have marked as Galatea which I bought at the same time and subsequently moved at the same time too!

is very different to galatea, well mine is 

flower is much smaller and paler/brighter green, see pics below.

100mm/16mm label for scale.

[Toft Tops]

Thanks Richard.  My Galatea is certainly bigger than your Upcher so perhaps, at least, Galatea may be correct.  Not to worry, I'll carry on researching or perhaps just searching. 

With reference to the 'Lattice pots' thread, one reason I have started to put my specials into pots is the hope that I'll have more chance of keeping the label with the bulb.

[johnw]

Here is the Upcher I got from Potterton and Martin quite some time ago. It certainly does not have the same straight-sided inner marking as the second shot of Upcher at Cerney House. The latter does match the one Richard posted, though the ovaries are quite different.

johnw

[TheOnionMan]

Here are two photos taken today of what I bought some years ago as 'Titania'.  I did a search on this form on Galanthus 'Titania', but I didn't find a thread with a conclusive photo of 'Titania' (Maggi: take notice of my search )

Can anyone confirm whether this is 'Titania' or just another confusing greatorex double?
Sorry about the poor photo quality, I'm using a entry-level Nikon camera and it is terrible with white flowers.

[KentGardener]

Really sorry everyone who might not like me saying this.......   

My personal feeling is that if you don't have the label and can't trace a bulb back to a reliable source then it's not right to then confidently put a label on that plant..... which may then be passed on in future years and be passed on again and end up in complete confusion over what is the correct clone of a plant way down the line.

If you like an 'unknown' in your garden it is great to enjoy it as an unknown that you like and think looks like ****   But not to definitively label it as ****.

Sorry..... Hard day at work.   

[Eric Locke]

Really sorry everyone who might not like me saying this.......   

My personal feeling is that if you don't have the label and can't trace a bulb back to a reliable source then it's not right to then confidently put a label on that plant..... which may then be passed on in future years and be passed on again and end up in complete confusion over what is the correct clone of a plant way down the line.

If you like an 'unknown' in your garden it is great to enjoy it as an unknown that you like and think looks like ****   But not to definitively label it as ****.

Sorry..... Hard day at work.   

This is large problem within many plant groups ,as it only takes one person to label a plant wrongly and once passed on the confusion gets worse. It does not help when even some of our so called "reputable" nurseries regularly send out wrongly named plants.

Eric

[jamouatt]

May I add my two pennyworth to this mixed up thread. My galanthus lagodechianus flowered for the first time this year. In January the bud which had formed (1st photo) looked far too elegant for a lagodechianus. When it eventually opened I was delighted to find it was a poc. form (photos 2 and 3).

John(M)

[steve owen]

Looking here http://bigrab.wordpress.com/2009/08/31/if-it-looks-like-a-duck/ it would seem the phrase predates Bill Oddie.

Alan
That just illustrates the power of Google. Another example; a few weeks ago an episode of Lark Rise to Candleford had the reaper band on the edge of the cornfield and one starting the tune "Jacky boy? Master? Sing ye well? Very Well" etc, and sparked my recollection of that song from at least sixty years ago (yes, I know, I'm older than I look). I plugged the words into Google and Hey Presto, there's the song title and the rest of the words. You can even go on to Youtube and hear it played on the fiddle. Just astonishing.

[RichardW]

Can anyone confirm whether this is 'Titania' or just another confusing greatorex double?
Sorry about the poor photo quality, I'm using a entry-level Nikon camera and it is terrible with white flowers.

My "Titania" looks a lot like yours, and everything else 

Upcher looks like another naming minefield as well, no surprise really.

[Eric Locke]

Here is my Titania.
Might be able to take one of Upcher too later if it is in flower.

Eric

[Alan_b]

........ My galanthus lagodechianus flowered for the first time this year. In January the bud which had formed (1st photo) looked far too elegant for a lagodechianus. When it eventually opened I was delighted to find it was a poc. form (photos 2 and 3).

John(M)

That's a beautiful looking flower, John, but it reminded me of the tale of Anglesey Abbey.  This bright green-leaved nivalis was originally misidentified as lagodechianus and often produces poculiform flowers.  Is there any chance you are the victim of the same misidentification and what you have is actually Anglesey Abbey?  I don't know if any Anglesey Abbey was originally distributed as lagodechianus - perhaps some went to a nurseryman who is not a snowdrop specialist and never caught up with the revised nomenclature?