Fritillaria 2010

[Gerry Webster]

Gerry does this help with the I/D of Frit. kotschyanus?

Mike

Mike - I replied in the Frit ID thread. Yes, seems to be F. kotschyana - small nectaries & trifid style.

[Lesley Cox]

Maybe not many flowers Simon but a good, strong growth so surely there will be more next year.

[Mark Griffiths]

It seems to be a long Frit season here, I've still got a number that have yet to flower, I guess it's a result of the cold wet weather.

I'm a bit disappointed that some of the plants I've had for well over a decade seemed to stopped flowering after many years, e.g F.conica, F.sibthorpii.

Still after an absence of many years F. carica is back. Maybe I'm planting too deep? (I know too shallow makes them split).

I'd appreciate ideas on the other brownish one. It came to me as F. carica. When I asked why it wasn't yellow, the nurseryman told me it was the "brown form". hmmm. I thought it is more likely to be F. pinardii? Any thoughts?

[Gerry Webster]

I'd appreciate ideas on the other brownish one. It came to me as F. carica. When I asked why it wasn't yellow, the nurseryman told me it was the "brown form". hmmm. I thought it is more likely to be F. pinardii? Any thoughts?

Mark - there is a so-called 'brown form' of F. carica (I don't know whether  it is a hybrid). It's many years since I had it & yours looks rather  more brown than I remember, though I must admit my memory is a bit hazy.

[chasw]

Gerry,didn't Kath list it as Carica Brun at one time?

[Mark Griffiths]

Thanks. After , hmmm..more than 35 yrs of growing various alpines and bulbs with the Frits I'm starting to go from my more "mature" "collect different species and clones" back to "I'll take a dark red/black one, a yellow one, a brown one and a grey and yellow one" with these F.carica/pinardii types.

I'm finding the variation within a species is greater than the apparent variation between species.

And then there are all the green and brown ones.

[Gerry Webster]

Gerry,didn't Kath list it as Carica Brun at one time?

Yes, I've just checked on a old list (2001). I think mine came from Norman Stevens who listed it in 1996 as F. carica 'Brown Form'.

[Sinchets]

I agree with the F.pinardii/ carica problems. This one I am not sure about either. It is flowering in with one of my F.pinardii forms. My first thought was F.alfredae, but the flower looks too elongated. One thing I did notice was its incredibly short style- less than half of the flower length. Both pictures are of the same plant a few days apart.

[Gerry Webster]

I agree with the F.pinardii/ carica problems. This one I am not sure about either. It is flowering in with one of my F.pinardii forms. My first thought was F.alfredae, but the flower looks too elongated. One thing I did notice was its incredibly short style- less than half of the flower length. Both pictures are of the same plant a few days apart.

Simon - difficult to say anything intelligent about this one. The style suggests F. alfredae but not the shape of the flower. As I know it, F. alfredae, while quite narrow,  is more flared at the mouth. I wonder if the shape will change as the flower ages?

[Michael J Campbell]

Fritillaria tuntasia.
Fritillaria hermonis ?
Fritilllaria hermonis ? these two were in the same pot grown from seed as Hermonis.?

[Mark Griffiths]

hi, I hope my F. tuntasia turn out like that. Mine are supposedly from Wisley but the buds are still green.

The other two are extremely similar to plants I have, I had one as F. amana and the other one F. amana EK Balls. The first one is also very similar to one that came to me as F.argolica which it clearly isn't.

I'll be interested what others have to say.

[Gerry Webster]

Michael - your two F. hermonis  appear to be what used to be known as F. hermonis subsp amana but is now F. amana. Neither of them looks much like the E.K. Balls form (EKB1034) which, as I know it, has very long bells.

[Mark Griffiths]

I sort of knew you were going to say that. My two which are the spit of Michael's, I bought one as "Sunglow", the other as "EKB" and it seems neither were true.

I must say from the perspective of wrongly named plants Frits have been the worst group in my experience. From good suppliers too. The seed seems just as bad sometimes. (Not quite up to the Silene hookerii, Omphalodes lucilae level). Disappointing after often a bit of a wait.

At least some came true. Looking forward to my F. recurva flowering.

[Janis Ruksans]

Will start with Fritillaria alburyana deep purple form from Turkey. It isn't hybrid as there no other frits are growing.
Next are two pictures of Fritillaria assyriaca from Iran - long searched by me, and finally I collected it by myself although under another name.
Fritillaria aurea is very variable in size. Here very large blooming form.
Next is most possibly new subsp. of F. crassifolia from Iran
and on last you can see how improve tiny Fritillaria serpenticola in cultivation. In nature never saw it with more than 1 flower, this spring with me each with at least 2 flowers on stem. This one is exceptional plant - even with 3 flowers on stem.
Janis

[Lesley Cox]

These will keep me going nicely until our spring. Such beautiful plants. Thanks to everyone.