Hepatica 2010

[johngennard]

Thanks for that Michael.I look forward to what Phillip has to say and thanks for the other web-site adress,I wasn't aware of that.

[Joakim B]

Thanks for the explanation Michael and good luck with the breeding
Kind regards
Joakim

[chris]

the only pink H.yamatutai that I now (and have) is pink outside and white inside, in China H.yamatutai, H.henrii and sometimes H.insularis are growing together, so maby it is a wild hybrid, al of my H.yamatutai have these divided bracts (photo 4) 

[Maggi Young]

all of my H.yamatutai have these divided bracts

That is an interesting feature, Chris..... I cannot see too clearly on Michael or John's   photos, but they seem to have plain bracts....... more of a mystery, eh? !
All pretty plants, that's for sure.

[fleurbleue]

I agree with Maggi, very nice plant Chris 

[Michael J Campbell]

Thanks for that Michael.I look forward to what Phillip has to say and thanks for the other web-site adress,I wasn't aware of that.

John,here is the reply from Philip.




Philip Baulk
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Hi Michael

Hepatica yamatutai is usually a very pure white. There is a very beautiful and rare form which has pink shading on the reverse of the petals but this is probably not the one you have got. The most likely answer is that your plant is the result of a chance cross between H.yamatutai and a pink form of H.nobilis, which can happen very occasionally and is in itself a very desirable form. I hope this answers your enquiry as far as I am able,

Kind regards, Philip

[johngennard]

I thought that was the case Michael,thanks for the clarification.Here are two better pictures of mine.

             Hepatica yamatutai
                   "           "        close-up

[johngennard]

The first of my 2009 sowings germinated about 2/3 weeks ago and the other pics. are of fourth year from sowing seedlings flowering in the 3ltr.pots into which I prick out before I plant individually the following year.Note the variability.

[johngennard]

One or two more established ones

          Harukaze
          Un-named double
                   "
          Murasaki-shikibu
                   "
          Reverse of petals of pyrenaica
                    "
          Yamatutai X japonica
          Pubescens ex.'Tenginbai'
          Transylvanica alba

[angie]

Wow, what a fantastic colour .
Angie

[Joakim B]

John very nice seedlings in great variety. Well done
Are they of japonica type or of European nobilis type?
They are very colorful with two colored ones so I presume that it is japonica but I have seen some nobilis with similar characteristics but not as mixed.
Great to see the seedlings.

By the way are there a characteristic that one can use to see the difference between nobilis nobilis and nobilis japonica?

Kind regards
Joakim

[Maggi Young]

By the way are there a characteristic that one can use to see the difference between nobilis nobilis and nobilis japonica?

Kind regards
Joakim

Have you seen this thread, Joakim?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5114.msg139840#msg139840

[Joakim B]

Yes Maggi I did see it and think it is interesting but since the difference between these two forms are based on geography it is not clear if it exists some other difference.
I even looked for the paper but there is no mentioning of any work by that author in "web of science" regarding hepatica so maybe a misspelling some how?
Kind regards
Joakim

[Gunhild Poulsen]

Once I made some research to find out which Hepaticas are species and which are varieties.
It resulted in the below, which looks quite similar to the one from Rodger Whitlock.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=5114.msg139840#msg139840
I know falconeri, x media and maxima lacks in the below
 
Hepatica acutiloba = Hepatica nobilis var. acuta
Hepatica americana = Hepatica nobilis var. obtusa
Hepatica angulosa = Hepatica transsylvanica
Hepatica asiatica = Hepatica nobilis var. asiatica
Hepatica insularis = Hepatica nobilis var. insularis
Hepatica japonica = Hepatica nobilis var. japonica
Hepatica pubescens = Hepatica nobilis var. pubescens
Hepatica pyrenaica = Hepatica nobilis var. pyrenaica
Hepatica transsylvanica = Hepatica transsilvanica
Hepatica triloba = Hepatica nobilis var. nobilis
Hepatica triloba var. americana = Hepatica nobilis var. obtusa
Hepatica triloba var. acuta = Hepatica nobilis var. acuta
Hepatica yamatutae = Hepatica henryi

What I found out at that time was, that yamatutai is a synonym to henry. Later I read that yamatutai is henry var. yamatutai.
Thank you for your key Aaron, it is very useful, and what do you say about the question henry/yamatutai?
Maybe others in the forum know something?
And what about maxima? is it a species or a variety?
There is disagreement in the literature.


 

[johngennard]

Joakim ,the flowering seedlings are from japonica but I must admit to not being very botanically minded and therefore not able to cast any light on your other queries.Everyone seems to have a different opinion as to nobilis and japonica and current nomenclature seems to favour nobilis japonica though I prefer to keep them separate.