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Gerry Webster

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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #240 on: October 09, 2009, 09:02:04 PM »
Quote from: Thomas Huber on October 09, 2009, 08:32:25 PM
Quote from: tonyg on October 09, 2009, 08:50:24 AM
Gerry - I did wonder about this as I posted the pic.  It can be difficult to distinguish between some lilac forms of C hadriaticus and C thomasii.  However, I have just been down the garden (in my  PJs - a rare lie-in :o) and checked.  The Crocus thomasii pictured has glabrous leaf margins, just the faintest hint  of bristles on the keel.  With the same lens I observed very clear hairs on the leaf margins of Crocus hadriaticus.  So I think we can give this Thomas the benefit of the doubt ;)
Janis article in the CG newsletter that made me realise that I had had a major problem with Pythium, perhaps due to a bad batch of compost.

Tony, Gerry, I have had a look at my thomasii's today and found my own collection without hairs
and plants sent by a friend from Apulia with hairs - so I'm not sure if this is a reliable feature for
distinguishing hadriaticus and thomasii.
My flower colour and striping looks exactly like Tony's plant.
Oh dear - why can't life be simple? I was prompted to re-examine my supposed C. thomasii when the second corm from the same sowing flowered &  the flower was white. Both the lilac & white flowers had hairs but they are certainly less prominent on these plants than on plants I am sure are  C. hadriaticus (from AnneW) in flower at the moment. In the doubtful plants the throat is not as dramatically yellow but I think this is probably of little significance.
The presence or absence of hairs on the leaves is effectively the only morphological criterion that BM gives for distinguishing C. hadriaticus & C. thomasii . If this goes all we are left with is geographical origin.

Edit- The lilac plant I originally thought to be C. thomasii is in Reply 41, Oct 02:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=4261.30
« Last Edit: October 09, 2009, 09:36:07 PM by Gerry Webster »
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #241 on: October 09, 2009, 11:50:08 PM »
Great pics as always everyone.  Chris, I love the dark wild pulchellus, and Simon, I lvoe the colouration of your "double" niveus.  Nice blue to it.  8)
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #242 on: October 10, 2009, 12:54:33 AM »
Attached, a stand of Crocus speciosus 'Albus' in someone's front yard. Outstanding, in my estimation. Clearly the bulbs have been there for quite a long while.
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #243 on: October 10, 2009, 10:06:24 AM »
Guess they haven't swept their yard for a while then? ;D
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #244 on: October 10, 2009, 10:51:23 AM »
Oh dear, one day away from the Forum and 4 new pages of Crocus.. :o ::)
This kept me from applauding lots of entries !!
What a wealth of beautiful Crocus !!
Thanks for showing everbody !!
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #245 on: October 10, 2009, 11:02:01 AM »
Crocus  sp.

Further to my post 240 above. In the light of Thomas’ observations on C.thomasii I am left wondering about the identity of these plants, produced from the same sowing of Archibald seed. Either C. thomasii, as I first thought, together with an albino form? Or C. hadriaticus - my second thought? Or a hybrid?
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #246 on: October 10, 2009, 12:35:58 PM »
Quote from: Rodger Whitlock on October 10, 2009, 12:54:33 AM
Attached, a stand of Crocus speciosus 'Albus' in someone's front yard. Outstanding, in my estimation. Clearly the bulbs have been there for quite a long while.

Roger, thanks for this wonderful photo, you do have some interesting gardens around you!  I love the simplicity of this drift of C. speciosus 'Albus' in the dappled light - fab  :)
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #247 on: October 10, 2009, 01:12:35 PM »
Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer' today, with and without flash. Not bad for a single corm! ;D
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #248 on: October 10, 2009, 01:25:48 PM »
Quote from: Anthony Darby on October 10, 2009, 01:12:35 PM
Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer' today, with and without flash. Not bad for a single corm! ;D

That is a beautiful crocus Anthony,
I have noticed it is protected by a net too.
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #249 on: October 10, 2009, 01:33:46 PM »
Yes Oron, field mice are a problem in my greenhouse, so the galvanised 'Twilweld' half inch mesh is essential.
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #250 on: October 10, 2009, 01:35:30 PM »
Quote from: Oron Peri on October 10, 2009, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: Anthony Darby on October 10, 2009, 01:12:35 PM
Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer' today, with and without flash. Not bad for a single corm! ;D

That is a beautiful crocus Anthony,
I have noticed it is protected by a net too.

Can only agree - great mathewii! :o

Oron, I suppose the net is there because Anthony does not want it flees while he makes holiday.  ;D ;)
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #251 on: October 10, 2009, 01:54:21 PM »
Flowering here today:
Crocus sativus
Crocus speciosus xantholaimos
Crocus kotschyanus kotschyanus

Gerry, JJA had C.thomasii as garden collected seed- so maybe it is a hybrid- but a very beautiful result!
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #252 on: October 10, 2009, 02:12:03 PM »
Lovely to see on such a grey day Anthony & Simon, thanks  :)
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #253 on: October 10, 2009, 02:24:48 PM »
Quote from: Sinchets on October 10, 2009, 01:54:21 PM

Gerry, JJA had C.thomasii as garden collected seed- so maybe it is a hybrid- but a very beautiful result!

Yes, Simon, that's one of the problems involved in  growing species from seed derived from cultivated stock. Another is mix-ups; this was supposed to be C. cartwrightianus!
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Re: Crocus October 2009
« Reply #254 on: October 10, 2009, 02:36:17 PM »
Quote from: Hans A. on October 10, 2009, 01:35:30 PM
Quote from: Oron Peri on October 10, 2009, 01:25:48 PM
Quote from: Anthony Darby on October 10, 2009, 01:12:35 PM
Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer' today, with and without flash. Not bad for a single corm! ;D

That is a beautiful crocus Anthony,
I have noticed it is protected by a net too.

Can only agree - great mathewii! :o

Oron, I suppose the net is there because Anthony does not want it flees while he makes holiday.  ;D ;)

Well Hans, if i had this form i would have taken it with me where ever i go...including holidays ;)
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