Crocus September 2009

[Maggi Young]

Welcome to posting "J.Novis"..... though I take it from Tonyg that you are Jim?!
I wonder what happened to your avatar photo? I'm just getting a box with an X in it......

You may easily post photos at a rather larger size..... up to 760 x 530 or so pixels for landscape format, if you wish 

[Tony Willis]

This crocus flowered today from the Pyrenees and it is a really deep purple much more so than thre picture illustrates. I keyed it out and decided it is
Crocus serotinus salzmannii.

Still not sure I tipped it out of its pot to look at its corm tunic and as can be seen on the second picture it is forming stolons which I hope is of interest. 'The Crocus' says this is a characteristic but good to see now as by repotting time they would probably have rotted leaving just the new bulb

[hadacekf]

The first Autumn crocus appear in the meadow

Crocus tournefortii
Crocus kotschyanus
Crocus boryi
Crocus serotinus ssp. salzmannii

[Janis Ruksans]

The first Autumn crocus appear in the meadow

Crocus tournefortii
Crocus kotschyanus
Crocus boryi
Crocus serotinus ssp. salzmannii

Your pictures as usually of superb quality!
Janis

[Rafa]

Tony, could it be C. nudiflorus? I noticed in your picture it has stoloniferous corm and here in Central Sapin at least C. serotinus salzmannii has different type of corm. Tomorrow I will go to Navarra and maybe I will picture some C. nudiflorus in the wild.

[mark smyth]

Franz as ever I'm envious of your meadow and photos

[mark smyth]

Here is my nudiflorus with purple tipped rounded petals

[mark smyth]

How variable is C. serotinus clusii? Does this fit?

[mark smyth]

And last before bed a form of C. hadriaticus or a white cartwrightianus?

[dominique]

very nice form Mark

[mark smyth]

Which one Dominique?

The C. nudiflorus wasnt there last year and as all the others are long and narrow could this be a hybrid seedling?

Next summer I must photograph all my corms for reference at flowering time.

[Janis Ruksans]

Tony, could it be C. nudiflorus? I noticed in your picture it has stoloniferous corm and here in Central Sapin at least C. serotinus salzmannii has different type of corm. Tomorrow I will go to Navarra and maybe I will picture some C. nudiflorus in the wild.

According to Brian Mathew the stoloniferous habit can be rarely seen in Spanish C. serotinus subsp. salzmannii as well. I have such form, too. As my eyes shows (they are not so bright more) tunics looks as in C. serotinus subsp. salzmannii.
Janis

[Janis Ruksans]

How variable is C. serotinus clusii? Does this fit?

Could be correct although on my plants style is less divided. Must to see corm tunics, too.
Janis

[Janis Ruksans]

And last before bed a form of C. hadriaticus or a white cartwrightianus?

The first impression - cartwrightianus
Janis

[Thomas Huber]

Tony, could it be C. nudiflorus? I noticed in your picture it has stoloniferous corm and here in Central Sapin at least C. serotinus salzmannii has different type of corm. Tomorrow I will go to Navarra and maybe I will picture some C. nudiflorus in the wild.

According to Brian Mathew the stoloniferous habit can be rarely seen in Spanish C. serotinus subsp. salzmannii as well. I have such form, too. As my eyes shows (they are not so bright more) tunics looks as in C. serotinus subsp. salzmannii.
Janis

Tony, Rafa and Janis, for me the most obvious feature to distinguish salzmannii and nudiflorus are the leaves.
On nudiflorus the leaves appear not before spring, while on salzmannii the leaves appear before, or at least while
it flowers. In Tony's plant no leaves are visible so far, so my guess is, it's nudiflorus (if the leaves don't appear in the
next days!)

Like Janis' I also have two forms of salzmannii which form stolons, so the stolons alone  are not a sign
that Tony's plant is surely nudiflorus.


Mark, I'm with Janis, your white crocus looks like cartwrightianus.
Can't help with your clusii question as I don't have plants to compare.