Fritillaria 2009

[Pauli]

The first fritillary here:

After some years of search and growing experiments Frit. aurea is finally flowering:

[Mark Griffiths]

@ Simon, re the "transmutium theory" it went sown well. It got published elsewhere too. I've been waiting by the letterbox for the Nobel Peace prize nomination for a few years now. I think it must have got lost in the post. They are not replying to my e-mails anymore which is not a good sign

Anyway, I think the last of the Frits for this year, F. erharti, from Archibald seed, F. graceca, F. crassifolia crassifolia and my "brown" F. carica..which might be F. pinardii.

 

[Sinchets]

Mark- yes your F.carica 'Brown' looks very much like F.pinardii- strangely my F.carica 'Brown' looked suspiciously like F.crassifolia. 

[Gerry Webster]

Anyway, I think the last of the Frits for this year, F. erharti, from Archibald seed, F. gacea, F. crassifolia crassifolia and my "brown" F. carica..which might be F. pinardii.

Mark - that's a very beautiful F. crassifolia subsp. crassifolia . It looks very like a form I had years ago which, like so many of my frits, eventually departed for a better life elsewhere. Does it have rather 'waxy' tepals & do you have the JJA reference number?

[Mark Griffiths]

The F.crassifolia wasn't from seed. I think I got it from Norman Stevens at one of the RHS Shows (to then take back on the tube, train, car home after a spell in the office). I had a more "normal" F. crassifolia (which has now gone) so I picked out the most unmarked yellow green one I could find.

[Michael J Campbell]

I can't be sure but it really does look like an acmopetala form. There are some so-called "yellow" forms with no or few markings and greenery-yallery colour. But maybe someone else.....?

This was my thought too, based on the flower shape, but without seeing the inside of the flower (the nectaries & style)) & the arrangement of the leaves it's almost impossible to pronounce.

Here is a not very good pic of the inside of the flower (excuse the fingers ,difficult task without assistance) and a pic beside the ordinary Acmopetala showing the difference in height. It did the same last year.

[Gerry Webster]

The F.crassifolia wasn't from seed. I think I got it from Norman Stevens at one of the RHS Shows (to then take back on the tube, train, car home after a spell in the office). I had a more "normal" F. crassifolia (which has now gone) so I picked out the most unmarked yellow green one I could find.

Mark - my plant also came from Norman (by mail order) & I remember him being none too pleased that he had sent me the much more attractive & less common yellow-green form; I think he was trying to build up his stock.

[Gerry Webster]

I can't be sure but it really does look like an acmopetala form. There are some so-called "yellow" forms with no or few markings and greenery-yallery colour. But maybe someone else.....?

This was my thought too, based on the flower shape, but without seeing the inside of the flower (the nectaries & style)) & the arrangement of the leaves it's almost impossible to pronounce.

Here is a not very good pic of the inside of the flower (excuse the fingers ,difficult task without assistance) and a pic beside the ordinary Acmopetala showing the difference in height. It did the same last year.

Michael - on the basis of your last pics I'd say probably F. acmopetala. Your other plants are definitely that species so if the nectaries & the style branches look broadly similar, that would clinch it. Martyn Rix (in Flora of Turkey) gives the height as 15 - 45cm.

[Maggi Young]

I'd say acmopetala, Michael 

[Lesley Cox]

Yes, I think so too Michael. NIce to have an unmarked form. Funnily enough, Simon's last pic in Reply no 164 also looks like acmopetala to me. He has it as pinardii.

[Sinchets]

Funnily enough, Simon's last pic in Reply no 164 also looks like acmopetala to me. He has it as pinardii.

Hi Lesley, the F.pinardii is one I bought a good few years ago as a collection form Buried Treasure. I have another collection, both of these are different to the 'normal' F.pinardii. It's one of those times when you wonder if it is a hybrid or an intergrading between species. It could also be they have been renamed since I bought them, as I haven't had their catalgoue in at least 5 years.

[Sinchets]

We took some new pics of the Fritillaria pinardii. These are the ones I have growing as Fritillaria pinardii RRW9326 and RRW92140. Also Fritillaria alfredae subsp glaucoviridis. The last is F.imperialis inodora in the open garden. The plant was purchased as F.eduardii for fair words of money at an AGS show - but soon proved to be untrue.

[Tony Willis]

this is Fritillaria kotschyana .The seed was originally from Kiev Botanic Garden but they came to me as bulbils

[Gerry Webster]

this is Fritillaria kotchyanus .The seed was originally from Kiev Botanic Garden but they came to me as bulbils

Tony - this bears a strong resemblance to F. grandiflora. But then, some people think grandiflora is a  subsp. or form of F. kotschyana. So it seems you pay your money.........

[Otto Fauser]

Tony , I grow the same F. kotschyana as you under the name grandiflora - but see
Gerry's comment .