Help needed Re:Erysimum cariense from Turkey

[shelagh]

Last summer we were given a seedling of Erysimum  cariense, label said it was from Turkey but I can find no trace of it. Can anyone help?

[shelagh]

I have nipped out and taken it's picture. Thought it might  help all you wonderful Forumists. It's a small plant in a small pot but I've done my best.

[ashley]

Very nice Shelagh.  Another to look out for in the seed exchange

[shelagh]

Trouble is Ashley it doesn't seem to exist. I can't find it anywhere that's why I need help.

[Maggi Young]

In a  Wrightman's Alpines  blog   there  is a  mention of  a  "new  species"  and  here  in NARGS  : https://nargs.org/photo/erysimum-caricum  - this  is  Erysimum caricum -  might this  be  it?
 Can't  find any other  reference to it either , other than Jan Tholhuijsen mentioning it  in a list  of  plants  in this  IRG :
www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2016Jul281469713982IRG79July.pdf

 Seems  that this  plant  can grow  much larger     
 http://powo.science.kew.org/taxon/urn:lsid:ipni.org:names:283676-1

 Edit to add:  It  looks as  if  others  have  E. carium under  a  wrong  name too.

[shelagh]

Thanks for all your research Maggi.  Since it doesn't seem to exist anywhere under the name we've got I guess I can put it new and rare

[ashley]

Trouble is Ashley it doesn't seem to exist. I can't find it anywhere that's why I need help.

Sorry Shelagh, I wasn't paying enough attention

Searching Kew ePic with Erysimum cari* gives
     Brassicaceae Erysimum carinatum (Wight) Kuntze Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 933. 1891 [5 Nov 1891] (GCI) view IPNI entry
     Brassicaceae Erysimum carinatum Kuntze Revis. Gen. Pl. 2: 933. 1891 [5 Nov 1891] (IK) view IPNI entry
     Brassicaceae Erysimum carium Boiss. Ann. Sci. Nat., Bot. sér. 2, 17: 77. 1842 (IK) view IPNI entry

I could find no images for E. carinatum, but for E. carium this image and this one, both Gabriela's, look rather like your plant.  Maybe PM her?

[shelagh]

Thanks Ashley. I have had an email from Diane Clement who says it is E. carium. It came to us as a seedling so I'm not sure where the misspelling happened.

[CRSHEP0]

I have two areas where I am growing this plant.  For some reason, in my crevice trough with morning sun, it is doing well.  It is outside, and, I cover it with a clear glass plate supported by rocks so the cold air blows through. This is my California version of "under glass." This is its third year, and really starting to bloom.
My other area is in tufa, and, its doing well, but, not flowering, but, this area has a 30% shade cloth, so, I might move to a sunnier location. All of my tufa rocks are buried deep in rough sand, and in winter I keep them under sawhorses covered with SunTuf, raised up on on end to direct the rain off the roof.  I use the SunTuf  for my bulb frame as well.  Almost all of the sax's I put in the same tufa have not done well.  I think the key for tufa for in my climate is to use seedlings.  Back to the E. Cariense (I thought it was labeled E. Caricum), the flowers are so small, I can't imagine capturing any seed.   I dearly love this plant. I got it from Kathy Allen in Oregon. Cecile

[ChrisB]

I’ve got something similar Sheila, but the foliage is more silvery than yours.  I remember taking it in to show to our local group but no one there knew which one it was.  I remember John Richards saying there are a lot of them in the Med and they are all confused.  Mine now grows happily away in my raised bulb bed and gently seeds around. If I remember I’ll dig a wee clump up and bring to show you at Cleveland if you are going?  Oh, got my seed in the Hardy Plant Society seed exchange many moons ago with a completely wrong name on it....