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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #120 on: September 11, 2017, 12:28:03 AM »
I've, from seeds, a second generation of TBA on which pattern is almost absent.
TBA normally has no pattern, Nicholas has always a wider pattern.

TBA can also have a 3-4mm dark border or very thin central pattern.

Actually, if the leaf isn't a completely plain silver/pewter colour then it really shouldn't be called Tilebarn Anne; an unmarked silver leaf that initially opens bright red is the diagnostic feature for this cultivar. It does highlight though the problem of naming cultivars that have to be propagated from seed and not vegetatively. I just call them mirabile pewter/silver leaf! 
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #121 on: September 11, 2017, 04:32:18 PM »
Rigorous selection of the seedlings is always a good idea, especially if they are form a named 'strain'.

I sowed a lot of Cyclamen seed 2 years ago, which meant a lot of potting up this year (380 in total!) Here is one of my frames containing two year old seedlings. This is only about half of them as I have relegated the C. hederifolium plants to the greenhouse at the allotment because they swamp and overshadow the more delicate species in here. I'll be reviewing all of these plants to select the best few to keep, with the 'rejects' being given away to family members to plant in their gardens.

Not much off the starting blocks yet, but C. colchicum is evergreen, here showing lush new foliage. The blue labels remind me to never let them dry out.
C. coum with a good silver leaf.
A few plants of C. graecum have put up leaves, but most are yet to follow.
One of my favourite species, this is my oldest plant of C. intaminatum, putting on a great show this year this is the second flush. I have second generation of offspring from this plant flowering this year - they're also at the allotment because I find this species to be very prolific!
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #122 on: September 11, 2017, 08:26:11 PM »
Actually, if the leaf isn't a completely plain silver/pewter colour then it really shouldn't be called Tilebarn Anne; an unmarked silver leaf that initially opens bright red is the diagnostic feature for this cultivar. It does highlight though the problem of naming cultivars that have to be propagated from seed and not vegetatively. I just call them mirabile pewter/silver leaf!

That's what i wanted to highlight.
I got my bulb from Kirsten (certainly mix of labels during shipping's preparation), seeds from the Cyclamen Society.
My seedlings have much more appareance of TBA. Google TBA, result is a lottery.

Extracted from Grey Wilson's book :

‘Tilebarn Nicholas’ This is one of the most beautiful forms of C. mirabile
selected from one of his own seedlings by Peter Moore. The flowers are those of
an average C. mirabile but the leaves have a dark green ‘Christmas tree’ centre
surrounded by a broad, smooth band of silver. When young the entire upper leaf
surface is suffused with glowing pink, this gradually fading away after some
weeks as the leaf matures, to reveal the broad silver band. Many of the
successive seedlings are equally fine but the plant does not come 100 per cent
true from seed. Some plants come more like the wild plant while others closely
resemble ‘Tilebarn Ann’.

‘‘Tilebarn Ann’ This is very similar in flower to the previous, the prime
difference being in the foliage which is evenly pewtered all over at maturity,
with an attractive pink blush when young.

Matt are you opening a Cyclamen nursery?  :o :D
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #123 on: September 12, 2017, 05:27:05 AM »
Matt are you opening a Cyclamen nursery?  :o :D

That is exactly what I was thinking yesterday evening.
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #124 on: September 12, 2017, 10:57:44 AM »
C.africanum
C.hederifolium x africanum
C.graecum ssp graecum

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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #125 on: September 12, 2017, 12:02:33 PM »
The Cyclamen Society just held a show at Birmingham Botanical  Garden.

From Twitter about the Cyclamen Society  Show
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Just a handful of the beautiful and diverse mix of Cyclamen on display at the Cyclamen Society Autumn Show @BhamBotanicalGd today.

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another tweet from Chris Howell
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Congrats to  Nigel Hopes, 11 prizes including 8× 1st + James Mars Memorial Trophy at the Cyclamen Society Autumn Show @BhamBotanicalGd


Nigel Hopes receiving a trophy from Vic Aspland
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #126 on: September 12, 2017, 12:36:17 PM »
beatiful cyclamens.
by the way, what is the category of this awards? what is 8 things about cyclamen? best flower, most robust..., ??
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #127 on: September 12, 2017, 06:41:23 PM »
Hi Ardan
Although I never go to any of the shows, I believe you can find the answer to some of your questions on the website of the cyclamen society. Here is a link to the Birmingham show criteria:http://www.cyclamen.org/wp-content/uploads/2017/08/Show-Schedule-Birmingham-Show-2017.pdf.

Here's a picture of Cyclamen graecum coming into bloom:

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This is the oldest tuber I have and has flowered well for the last years. This year I had a massive crop of seed, coming to the seedex soon. I bought this as a young plant from a nursery, some 10 years ago. Could anyone identify it further, I would like to know if it is maritimum, candicum or graecum.

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A pot of C. intaminatum, also getting better every year. It appears that old plants are better flowerers for many species.

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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #128 on: September 12, 2017, 08:58:15 PM »
Wow that is great. It is nice to have societies of same hobby and appreciation with awards. Such a good motivation for growing plants
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #129 on: September 12, 2017, 10:52:44 PM »
Bart it looks like graecum grecum to me - I have several plants that look very similar. Interesting to hear what others have to say.
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #130 on: September 13, 2017, 01:42:15 PM »
A couple of Cyclamen mirabile from the greenhouse today both with nice leaves.

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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #131 on: September 13, 2017, 01:44:24 PM »
..... and a couple of graecum, the second grown from seed from CSE 93643
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #132 on: September 15, 2017, 03:43:40 PM »
Cyclamen cilicium album.

Also a cilicium grown from AGS Exchange seed 10/11-2313 and sown September 2011 that came with the name 'Erna Frank'. I haven't been able to find any further details about this cultivar.
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #133 on: September 15, 2017, 03:46:08 PM »
Again grown from seed Cyclamen mirabile forma niveum ex 'Tilebarn Jan'
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Re: Cyclamen 2017
« Reply #134 on: September 15, 2017, 09:58:27 PM »

Also a cilicium grown from AGS Exchange seed 10/11-2313 and sown September 2011 that came with the name 'Erna Frank'. I haven't been able to find any further details about this cultivar.

This sheds some light on it, David. Looks like it was her husband Ronald who collected (but they worked as a team), and the original plant was a cilicium forma album...
http://www.agscentralsussex.plus.com/2005-12.PDF
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