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Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone' actually Allium paradoxum !
« on: February 19, 2008, 09:08:25 AM »
Check out what I have as 'Lady Elphinstone'!  Isn't it gorgeous?

So much nicer than what I expected from the picture in the book! ;D
« Last Edit: February 20, 2008, 08:29:48 PM by Maggi Young »
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #1 on: February 19, 2008, 09:18:38 AM »
Nice, but not a Galanthus of any sort.
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #2 on: February 19, 2008, 09:58:58 AM »
Lovely!  What is it really?
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #3 on: February 19, 2008, 10:06:24 AM »
Leucojum vernum, perhaps?

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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #4 on: February 19, 2008, 10:25:13 AM »
No, it doesn't resemble a Leucojum.  It's more like a Scilla although I'm not particularly good at bulbs in general.  We're not actually supposed to have any cultivated plants in Springwoods apart from Galanthus.
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #5 on: February 19, 2008, 10:35:20 AM »
No, it doesn't resemble a Leucojum. 

Well, it doesn't resemble a normal L. vernum anyway, but I've found a few suggestive Leucojum forms after a google search.

Whatever it is, it's pretty malformed.
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #6 on: February 19, 2008, 10:45:04 AM »
Perhaps a view of the whole plant may help?
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #7 on: February 19, 2008, 10:59:12 AM »
Good idea, I forget I have a privileged view.
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2008, 11:02:14 AM »
Oh sorry, I forgot to say, the background leaves are very definitely Galanthesk, only the leaf to the right belongs to this flower.

Any chance the Galanthus leaves could be the 'Lady Elphinstone' I was after in the first place?  They seem short and late.
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #9 on: February 19, 2008, 11:13:28 AM »
The papery spathe reminds me of alliums for some reason. Lady E. is a nivalis, so they could be? I seem to remember tight clumps of double snowdrops refusing to flower but respond well to being divided. One of mine is flowering now in a trough but the others are still in tight bud in my west-facing border.
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #10 on: February 19, 2008, 11:20:00 AM »
Yes, that's what I think.  It has the right petal shape with a slight rib down the middle and the flowers are quite translucent.  Any idea of possible species?  I wouldn't know one from another myself.
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #11 on: February 19, 2008, 05:43:38 PM »
Might it be an Ornithogalum?
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #12 on: February 19, 2008, 06:31:43 PM »
The papery spathe reminds me of alliums for some reason.

I agree with Anthony.  The bracts definitely suggest Allium and I would go for Allium paradoxum.  Try crushing the end of the leaf - and check whether it has a stong garlic smell. 
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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #13 on: February 20, 2008, 01:47:46 PM »
The bracts definitely suggest Allium and I would go for Allium paradoxum. 

I do believe you're absolutely right.  There isn't a very strong allium smell (or I would hope I'd have noticed it before ::)), but it is there and google image offers a significant number of pictures which perfectly resemble the flower.

Thanks for the help, maybe we'll add it to the collection.
Kristina. Llandeilo, south-west Wales, UK

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Re: Novelty 'Lady Elphinstone'
« Reply #14 on: February 20, 2008, 05:09:52 PM »

Thanks for the help, maybe we'll add it to the collection.

I'd do this cautiously.  There are two forms of Allium paradoxum: var paradoxum which forms bulbils in the flower head and is an invasive pest; and var normale which does not form bulbils and is not invasive by bulbils although spreads itself around by seed.  I think A var normale is quite an attractive thing, with the broad leaves and crystalline white flowers.  A very knowledgeable authority once said to me, that if you found you had A paradoxum var paradoxum in your garden there was only one cure: "Move house". 
Caveat emptor  ...
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