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Janisa really interesting report as usual. I have been to both areas several times and the Vikos Gorge is superb.Edit by maggi : this next part of the post refers back to the main Crocus November thread and this message : http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=12424.msg316006#msg316006As to Crocus robertianus mine come from the Lidoriki area and whilst I do not know the exact elevation feel it is quite low. For the past couple of years I have kept my C robertianus frost free both the main plants and the seedlings. This has certainly seem of benefit to them.I wonder if this is what you have called Crocus hellenicus? I collected it several years ago.