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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #45 on: August 13, 2013, 01:37:23 PM »
Here's what I have so far  - most info from Tony Hall's write-up of its Award of Merit in 1993




and some other mentions, starting in 1930!


1948

1950

These from AGS bulletins, used under fair use provisions for information

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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #46 on: August 13, 2013, 01:38:43 PM »
An article from an SRGC  Journal :
* Small Irises1977.pdf (102.79 kB - downloaded 233 times.)
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #47 on: August 13, 2013, 02:33:27 PM »
Extract from Dykes - full copy online
 http://archive.org/stream/irisesdykeswilli00dykerich/irisesdykeswilli00dykerich_djvu.txt


VARIETIES OF I. PERSICA 19

its best has flowers of white and sea-green, with a brown-
purple patch on the blade of the falls. It has been in culti-
vation in England for some centuries, but is apparently
becoming rarer owing to the fact that it is not a strong
grower.

In light, sandy soil it is most disappointing, but would
probably do better in heavy loam. Even then it would
need to be kept dry and well ripened in summer. The
chief difficulty with regard to it probably lies in the fact
that the trade supplies are grown in heavy soil and lose all
their roots when torn up for sale. The result is that newly
purchased bulbs are weakly, and often exhaust themselves
by attempting to flower in their first season. This should
be discouraged by removing the bud, if it is hoped to
establish the plant. It will then probably form a stronger
bulb for the following year, together with an offset
or two.

Besides the type there are at least two varieties which
are well worth growing and which appear to have better
constitutions, namely, /. Tauri from the Cilician Taurus
and 7. Heldreichii (or stenophylla) from a somewhat lower
elevation in the same neighbourhood. 7. Tauri has rather
small but brilliant flowers of deep purple lined with gold,
while those of 7. Heldreichii are a combination of blue-
black blotches on a grey-blue ground.

Besides these there are other colour forms of 7. persica
that are much more rarely seen in cultivation. A variety,
purpurea, is wholly of a warm claret-purple colour. One
called galatica, from the region in which it is found, has
flowers of pale, dingy yellow, tipped with brown-purple,
and another with large flowers of silver-grey flushed and
blotched with dull purple has been named Sieheana, after
its discoverer, Herr Siehe.

So far the Juno Irises enumerated are all stemless,
though the flowers are raised on perianth tubes of some
length ; moreover their flowering season is over by the
middle of March. As the season advances, so also do the
stems of the Junos increase in height. The persicas are
usually followed, and often overtaken, by the Mesopotamia!!
/. sindjarensis f which grows about a foot high, and opens in
succession five or six rather small flowers in the axils of the
leaves, which are arranged on alternate sides of the stem,
much in the same way as in the Maize or Indian Corn.
The colour of the flowers is usually some shade of blue.
In some examples the tint is deep, in others it is very pale,
or it may even be a beautiful turquoise colour. There is
also a pure white form of this Iris in cultivation.
/. sindjarensis is not perhaps a very striking Iris, and it was
left to the ingenuity of Mr. J. Hoog, of the firm of C. G.
Van Tubergen, of Haarlem, to combine the orange central
ridge of /. persica with the stronger constitution and larger
flowers of /. sindjarensis. The resulting hybrid known as
Sindpers is one of the most beautiful of all bulbous Irises.
The exact shade of colour seems to vary from season to
season and in different soils, but at its best it is a most
brilliant turquoise blue. It is a most desirable Iris, and
one that is not difficult to grow or to keep. It is also
very floriferous. Another cross, Sindpur, was raised from
sindjarensis fertilised by pollen of /. persica purpurea. It
is dwarf er than /. sindjarensis and very floriferous, with
flowers of a dark purple colour. One form is paler, and has
been aptly christened Amethyst. The reverse cross, Pursind,
is scarcely so pleasing, for the combination of reddish-
purple and grey does not produce a brilliant colour.
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #48 on: August 13, 2013, 11:08:07 PM »
Now that's service! Should be enough for Pat to get her teeth into!

Can I add that historically Sindpers was regarded as probably the most successful juno hybrid ever deliberately bred.  The aim was to combine the beauty and early flowers of  Iris persica  with the relative robustness of Iris aucheri .
I think that was achieved in spades. These old clones have a life and I guess it will gradually fade away. Raising the question: why hasn't this cross been repeated to produce a range of clones?
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #49 on: August 14, 2013, 04:07:34 AM »
Double wow Maggi you certainly know how to search well. I have copied and pasted to make a file on 'Sindpers'.
Many thanks.
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #50 on: August 15, 2013, 03:22:37 AM »
I haven't read the bits you supplied  Maggi as yet, but will do later today. Here for just a moment now to post a special birthday greeting. I'm sure all of us in the southern hemisphere will join in.

What I do know though is that when Tony Hall was here in 2000 and again in 2005, he was adamant that x Sindpers is NOT the same as 'Sindpur' and that they were from different crosses. He became quite cross himself (as he can) that there was a displayed photograph of x Sindpers but labelled 'Sindpur' and even went so far as to say a couple of quite rude words.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2013, 03:42:26 AM by Lesley Cox »
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #51 on: August 15, 2013, 03:32:24 AM »
Hi all,

Thanks for the offer of Atlas Gold  Lesley - I think we'll have to wait until Australia and New Zealand finally amalgamate as the southern land of Gondwana!

Unfortunately things will have to get worse before they get better.


Cheers, Marcus

When, on occasion there is political talk of Australia and NZ amalgamating to become one country, it is always tacked on that that won't apply to bio-security issues. The boffins still will want to keep our very different flora and fauna from meeting. Fair enough because they ARE so different. Seems to me it will take an ultra-major earthquake along the various plates to bring us literally together before plant material can be freely exchanged. Regarding current costs, don't start me. Suffice it to say that much of the cost applied here for the importation of seeds is not a true cost but is a punishment. Permitted seed, though it goes through exactly the same time-consuming inspection process, costs nothing (they are charging societies now but still not individuals) whereas a much smaller consignment, if it contains even one non-permitted species, has many dollars applied before the receiver get the seed.
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #52 on: August 15, 2013, 03:53:03 AM »
What I do know though is that when Tony Hall was here in 2000 and again in 2005, he was adamant that x Sindpers is NOT the same as 'Sindpur' and that they were from different crosses. He became quite cross himself (as he can) that there was a displayed photograph of x Sindpers but labelled 'Sindpur' and even went so far as to say a couple of quite rude words.

Is it Maggi's birthday? Many Happy Returns :D

Lesley, one of Maggi's attachments does mention this difference and why. Sadly it appears "Sindpur" is no longer with us.

Re charges: My commiserations - its only going to get worse unfortunately. At least you can send seeds to each other in NZ without charge. Recent fee hikes in WA breaks new ground here and all gardeners should take note and be very afraid. From now on a $56 fee is to be applied each and every time a home gardener imports certified plants or seeds from an interstate supplier. Note these are already certified by the exporting state and the WA agency is adding NO extra service to the process

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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #53 on: August 15, 2013, 06:20:55 AM »
Yes, it is Maggi's 60th today. :)

That absolutely stinks about the WA charges Marcus. Are similar charges applied if you send a parcel of books say, or clothing? Surely the plant charge must be unconstitutional.
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #54 on: August 15, 2013, 10:20:32 AM »
Yes, it is Maggi's 60th today. :)

...but, as I know to my cost, she is only 16 in celsius  ;D
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #55 on: August 15, 2013, 10:51:52 AM »
Happy happy happy 60th Maggi. It will be the best possible I am sure.

This is the link I found:
http://bulbnrose.x10.mx/Heredity/Tubergen/Tubergen.html
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #56 on: August 15, 2013, 11:02:24 AM »
Surely Maggi won't be 16 in Celsius until next year?  ::)
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #57 on: August 15, 2013, 03:38:20 PM »
Surely Maggi won't be 16 in Celsius until next year?  ::)

Surely you have heard women of a certain age suffer from overheating ;D
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #58 on: August 15, 2013, 06:33:29 PM »
It's the chocolate Ian  ;D ;D
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Re: August 2013 in the Southern Hemisphere
« Reply #59 on: August 15, 2013, 11:51:21 PM »
Hi,

Re unconstitutional: probably but whose going to challenge? The gardening fraternity needs to wake up. The organic and permaculture groups leave them for dead and are undercutting their position.

Has anyone down under had any success with keeping Iris persica going? I have found it very difficult in comparison to, say, stenophylla. I think the problem for us is overhead wet in the late winter. They are martyrs to fungal infection once water starts to accumulate in the  cleft of the leaves or on the dying flowers.

I have only grown the sea green and grey types and ones with brown and tan on falls.

Hope Maggi got through the glare of the spotlight and she can relax now she is out the other side.

Cheers, Marcus

 


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