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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #45 on: February 07, 2013, 02:14:31 PM »
Thanks for the info Mark but I'm afraid conifers aren't our thing.
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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #46 on: February 07, 2013, 04:20:54 PM »
Farjestaden, Sweden
I think Färjestaden could be on the Swedish island Öland in the Baltic sea. However Färjestaden, the word actually means the place where you take the ferry so it can be anywhere.
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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #47 on: February 09, 2013, 07:13:42 AM »
NOW i see!
That's a real wow-plant!
Unfortunately D. sambucina is difficult to cultivate (not so difficult to grow from seeds).
The plant shown is the hyperchromic form of yellow D. sambucina. Very rare! Very beautiful too. Would be interesting if they come true to seeds when being selfed.


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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #48 on: February 09, 2013, 09:55:30 AM »
Hoy,
if you google Färjestaden, this is what you find:

Färjestaden is a locality situated in Mörbylånga Municipality, Kalmar County, Sweden with 5,018 inhabitants in 2010.[1] It is located in the southern part on the island of Öland and is named after the ferries that used to be the only connection to the mainland. Nowadays the impressive car-bridge Ölandsbron connects the mainland with the island, and Färjestaden has had an impressive population increase, making it several times bigger than the town Mörbylånga. ;) ;) ;)
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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #49 on: February 11, 2013, 08:38:31 AM »
NOW i see!
That's a real wow-plant!
Unfortunately D. sambucina is difficult to cultivate (not so difficult to grow from seeds).
The plant shown is the hyperchromic form of yellow D. sambucina. Very rare! Very beautiful too. Would be interesting if they come true to seeds when being selfed.

You are correct, but Dact. sambucina is always bicoloured: In yellow flowers you would find more or less red pigments and ' vice versa ` !

An extraordinary beautiful plant ! , hopefully a long life clone......
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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #50 on: February 11, 2013, 04:56:56 PM »
Gerhard are you hoping someone has brought it or its seed in to cultivation?
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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #51 on: February 11, 2013, 08:11:24 PM »
Gerhard are you hoping someone has brought it or its seed in to cultivation?
On the pict it lookes like a wild plant. The greatest chance to get similar or same clones is to pollinate it self. The species has a high germination rate in vitro , but great looses starts after the first transtplanting. It isn`t easy to keep it a long time in cultivation. Don`t know if the finder has collected seeds ?!

In my area there are great populations, and it is possible to find sometimes nice plants with unusal colouration ....

 
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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #52 on: February 22, 2013, 12:42:10 PM »
This variety of Dactylorhiza sambucina occured twice in Region called Silesia (Polish: Śląsk, German: Schlesien, Czech:Slezko ) in south-west Poland. As shown in my archive, the first reported by Fiek in 1895 from the area near city Bielawa (Germ.Langenbielau - 50°42′N 16°37′E).
For winwen and Gerhard -  T.Schube noted: “mit gelblichen Perigon, aber trübpurpurner, schmal berandeter, gelblicher Lippe”.
Second time was found by Roman Rybski near city Kowary (Germ.Schmiedeberg im Riesengebirge - 50°47′30″N 15°50′0″E) in Sudetes Mountains on the begining of May 1986.
I know that R.Rybski and P.Baraniecki (formerly chairman of Polish Orchid Society “Orchis”) they were looking for populations of Dactylorhiza sambucina near Kowary in 2011, but not a single plant with this kind of colours was found. Also all plants I know from Sudetes, range Kaczawskie Mountains (Germ: Katzbachgebirge) near city Bolków (Germ: Bolkenhain 50°56′N 16°6′E) are red, yellow and pinkish as a result of intraspecific hybridization:
http://www.storczyki.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=52&Itemid=60
http://www.pts-orchis.pl/site,species,139.html

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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #53 on: February 22, 2013, 12:49:38 PM »
Welcome Kristof- and thank you for this information about this intriguing colour form of D. sambucina.

The two links you give are new to me, at least, and I thank you for those, also.

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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #54 on: February 22, 2013, 08:21:27 PM »
Kristof good to 'see' you on here
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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #55 on: February 24, 2013, 07:40:36 PM »
Unfortunately, the author is not given permission to show photograph from 1986. I can only introduce interesting variety found in 2011: sepals and petals purple, lip yellowish-white with purple marks. Photograped on 2 of May 2011 by P.Baraniecki in Sudetes Mountains near Kowary.


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Edit by maggi   Adding  the two photos for Kristof- click to enlarge....
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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #56 on: February 24, 2013, 08:55:51 PM »
Kristof

I am happy to be wrong but that does not look like D. sambucina to me
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« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2013, 08:55:20 PM »
As a supplement - M.Fiedor, one of polish professional orchidologist (and the owner of the website, whose link - the first one, I presented last week) sent me today a couple of pictures from NE Czech Republic (still Silesia). Dactylorhiza sambucina photographed by Czech colleague E.Chmiel frome one side, where this kind of plants occurred since years. Only because orchid  fans care well about this place and plants are under good protection, we can still enjoy them. No more information will be given about this place and I'm really very glad for given me a permission to show them here (Marek - thanks once again!!).
...does not look like D. sambucina to me
- but this is definitely this species.
Regards -
Kristof

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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2013, 11:02:13 PM »
 :o :o :o OM, Kristof
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Re: Dactylorhiza sambucina - a fabulous variation of the yellow form
« Reply #59 on: February 26, 2013, 10:30:35 AM »
That really blows me out of my socks, Kristof!
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