Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: goofy on April 09, 2010, 07:32:35 AM
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I have some european terrestrial orchids just flowering in my unheated greenhouse.
Orchis papilionacea ssp. grandiflora
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100322-155258-925.jpg)
Orchis italica
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100323-161908-356.jpg)
Orchis quadripunctata ssp. quadripunctata
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100406-153337-741.jpg)
Orchis quadripunctata ssp. quadripunctata, closeup
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100406-153337-871.jpg)
Anacamptis morio ssp. champagneuxii
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100323-161908-424.jpg)
Anacamptis morio ssp. syriaca alba
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100408-163234-120.jpg)
enjoy
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very nice :)
cheers
fermi
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They seem so early to be flowering, Dieter... just shows what a little protection in a greenhouse can achieve to bring a fine display.
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ok, must add, that they are potgrown,
but pots were placed in the garden for taking the pics ;)
cheers
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Some beauties for all! ;D
Cephalanthera longifolia
Ophrys lusitanica
Ophrys oxyrrynchos
Orchis gennari
Orchis gennari 1
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Serapias flowering today in the conservatory luckily as the ones in the garden were killed by the weather this time.
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Orchis papilionacea and Ophrys episcopalis are out now in the greenhouse.
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This is the best shot Of my Cypripedium tibeticum I've managed so far.
I'll try again when the wind drops. ;D
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Crumbs, that's early! :o Mine aren't through the ground yet!
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Ophrys lunulata in the greenhouse.
Alex
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Finally the wind dropped enough to get another photo ;D
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Do you grow this inside Fred?
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Do you grow this inside Fred?
I grow in pots, on the floor, in an unheated greenhouse with the vent open all winter.
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I see. Mine sit outside all year. Saves having to water them much.
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One of the reasons is pigeons.
It's amazing what those things will eat. ::)
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What kind? We have wood pigeons and collard doves, although the latter seem to be scarcer these days. Even had two wood pigeon nests in the hedges at the back of the garden last year but they don't seem to attack any of the plants.
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Wood Pigeon and Collared Doves are no problem at all.
Feral Pigeon on the other hand are thugs.
It's a pity they're not really edible 8).
They'll even take compost out of pots.
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Aha. I see the problem. We have no feral pigeons here, thank goodness.
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This Calanthe tricarinata just opened today. ;D
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Fred,
It is a lovely species, I wish I could have taken the plant on my pictures with me when I saw it in Nepal with its very pronounced frilly lip.
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Things are starting to move on apace.
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Not one I've tried Fred.
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must work out how to add thumbnail photos as this is the bit i love and enjoy
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Hayley, I'll send you some tips about photo posting.
I have emailed that through to you now (22.27pm Sunday) ;)
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I hope to post some pics of cyps that I have bought from Hayley in the past. Lovely plants. :)
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Thankyou Maggie , i just need to sit down and have a play to see if i can do it ,i am not very good when it come to computors
Anthony i dont think there will be anymore for a while ,not from me as at last i have given up ;D .2 years saying it and at last i am back to growing as a hobby ,this way i get to enjoy my children and have more time to enjoy my own orchids .Cant wait to see your photos and i hope they are all doing what they should be doing
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This has been in flower for about a week now.
Dactylorhiza romana.
Graham
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i thought I would post this orchis picture. The plant has produced two completely different coloured flowers in the spike. I think it is Orchis anatolica?
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a couple of rainswept cypripediums
Cypripedium formosanum
Cypripedium macranthum
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i thought I would post this orchis picture. The plant has produced two completely different coloured flowers in the spike. I think it is Orchis anatolica?
Tony
It is O. anatolica and an intresting phenomenon...
The Cypripedium potfull is just amazing :o
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Tony, your macranthum is very peely-wally. More like my X ventricosum.
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Anthony it is very pale but the plant seems healthy enough.I have it as macranthum but my knowledge of these is very sketchy and so cannot comment on it.
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It looks extremely healthy Tony, but shouldn't macranthum be a violent pink colour? Crosses with calceolus (i.e. X ventricosum) can be very variable and the intensity of the colour is temperature dependent. I can have yellowish and pinkish flowers on the same stem.
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Anthony I really am not knowledgeable enough on this to make a meaningful comment. The pictures I look at of x ventricosum are also a violent pink. I will just enjoy it today as it is as I go away tomorrow.
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Cypripedium debile has been in flower for a few days, it's very shy though.
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This Calanthe Kozu hybrid is a regular in the flowering stakes for me.
One year I'll remember to feed it ::)
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hey,
some more from my small collection:
Dactylorhiza romana
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100430-080843-540.jpg)
Anacamptis pyramidalis
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100506-090448-542.jpg)
cheers
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My Cypripedium tibeticum appeared to be well in front of most people's but this Orchis papilionacea is way behind.
( I can't help thinking 'vulture in a dress')
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Not one I've tried Fred.
I have a few of these and this year is the 1st time i have seen one in flower as i kept selling the larger ones ,silly old me !! .I will email you the photo as i have not had time to work out as yet how to post photos .
As soon as they are doormant i will send you one to add to your collection ;) . Have you got a bletilla Soryu in your collection ?? I can send you one of those aswell
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Thanks for the offer Hayley. I will have to see what the next few months brings. I've not tried any Blettillas in my garden.
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Maybe of interest to some;
Orchis x angusticruris, the hybrid purpurea x simia, here shown also the reverse with simia as the seed parent.
Orchis purpurea
Orchis simia
Orchis x angusticruris 1
Orchis x angusticruris 2
Orchis x angusticruris 3
Orchis x angusticruris 4
Orchis x angusticruris ( simia x purpurea )
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Great range of variation from the good-looking parents....
Orchis x angusticruris 2 has the most lovely "frilling" on the edge of the lip.
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Chris they are incredible i wish it was more common over here in the uk the nearest plants are miles away from me.You are soooooo lucky are these in your orchid meadow or are they in the wild.
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Maggi, I can't pick a favourite, probably the simia seed parent one If I had to! Simon would agree with you!
Dave, I am lucky to have some established plants of purpurea and simia in the garden / meadow, 1-4 angusticruris are
from a walnut grove where the hybrid swarm numbered in the thousands of flowering plants, some just shy of 1m tall!
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Oooh! How lovely... really tall, too, which I didn't realise :-X
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:o how envy am i.
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Chris - being the ignoramus that I am, I had to google your Latin signature. It made me laugh & I've forwarded it to my Trekkie husband!
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:o how envy am i.
It's too far for a field trip Dave, unfortunately :'(
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:o how envy am i.
It's too far for a field trip Dave, unfortunately :'(
Fred i'm gutted i thought you was going to ask if i fancied going friday LMAO
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I just had a lovely few days orchid hunting in the south east quarter of France, the weather was atrocious, so the photos aren't brilliant. As well as orchis purpurea and simia which I won't post as Hristo's photos are much better :), we came across these. I think I've identified them correctly but welcome any second opinions. Orchis pallens, dactylorhiza sambucina and some sort of ophrys.
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Gill that dactylorhiza swarm is jaw dropping both colour types wow! do you live there?or holidaying.The only orchid thats in flower over here in sunny Mansfield is Orchis mascula lovely lovely thing but i'm afraid not a patch on yours (Gill)and Chris.Whish i was there.
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Yes, I was stunned when I saw them. :) There were a lot of them, but in a relatively small area - they were in the Auvergne and quite high, about 1400m
There aren't quite so many orchids around here (Creuse), and mainly the early purple, but I have found a marsh orchid in one of our paddocks that I'm just waiting to open to identify. You should definitely consider moving to France, I'm constantly staggered by the variety that turns up.
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Gill, super photos, the sambucinas seem to love altitudes of 1000m+ in the Balkans, the mountains of Northern Greece, Voras, Falakro etc support massive swathes of sambucina, here in Bulgaria the situation is similar. Your Ophrys looks to be Ophrys sphegodes. there is an array of sub-species listed for sphegodes, I ain't gonna try and split it down any further!! ;) ;)
Some Ophrys from me;
Ophrys lutea
Ophrys mammosa
Ophrys sphegodes
Ophrys scolopax ssp. cornuta ( white sepals )
Ophrys reinholdii
Ophrys insectifera
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Thanks Chris :) I'd given up trying to identify the ophrys as there was one around every corner and they all seem slightly different. I've yet to see some of the other ophrys, but I'm sure they must be lurking around here somewhere :)
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Lovely orchids, one and all.
One of my citrus trees is lit up by the flowers of Polystachya pubescens at the moment. It is an epiphytic orchid (grows on trees) common in the warm and humid valleys of Natal. It has an odd scent (at least to my nose) which can best be described as sweet with slight fecal overtones - not too bad on the nose, really... but quite distinctive.
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Love your Polystachya. I tried to grow one in my intermediate greenhouse but didn't get it right. Your description of the perfume makes me think that perhaps I did myself a favour. It looks great on your tree, though. :)
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That "poly_pubes" looks gorgeous Rogan!
I don't know if this is the right forum to ask, and to Chris especially:
I thought I saw a thread relating to this but heaven knows where :)
Are these different orchids? I though they were all purpurea, but then noticed the more deeply cut petals.
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Gill, they all look like the Lady Orchid (Orchis purpurea). Not sure you should be telling Rogan he has gorgeous poly-pubes? ::) ;D
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Gill, they do indeed look like straight Orchis purpurea as Anthony suggests, though the hybrids can be hard to determine ( are there any O.simia nearby? ) Experience here suggests that where you find a large and dense population of what looks like O.purpurea it is more likely a hybrid, the species here is solitary or found in small colonies of less than 20 individuals. Strong zonal markings in the lip and extreme structural differences in the flower point towards a hybrid.
Here hybrids with O.simia do inherit that species colony forming habit.
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Thanks all. They were mostly individuals in various places but all over the place. I only found two simias, and they seemed to be just a little bit later flowering - not quite out yet. I shall just have to repeat the trip for another look (though I'm not sure if my husband would tolerate another orchid hunt :) )
As for Rogans "poly_pubes", I did think that was a nice name for a file ;D
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As for Rogans "poly_pubes", I did think that was a nice name for a file ;D
http://www.thefreedictionary.com/pubes ::)
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"As for Rogans "poly_pubes", I did think that was a nice name for a file"
Thanks to you lot, I'll never look at my orchid the same way again! ::) The file name happened purely by chance - honest, it did! :-[ ;D
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Sorry about that ;D
I'll shut up now :-X
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;D ;D ;D
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I found a colony of o.mascula with half a dozen pink ones. Probably quite common, but I'd never seen a pink one before (no white ones though).
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Gill i don't think its all that common i know off three large colonies where i live and there isn't a light one amongst them,nice find.
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hey,
some more beauties are flowering:
Dactylorhiza Sweetcorn, nice yellow hybrid between majalis alba X sambucina yellow
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100521-174157-991.jpg)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100521-153342-446.jpg)
and some Cypripedium hybrids:
Cypripedium Gisela yellow strain, really yellow this year
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100521-153342-712.jpg)
Cypripedium Johnny Petersen, very dark this year
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100521-153342-591.jpg)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100521-153342-177.jpg)
my Cypripedium X Ventricosum albiflora (with spots of dirt from rain showers)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100521-153425-256.jpg)
many thanks to C. L. for the Sweetcorn :)
cheers
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hey,
this is C. pubescens, opened last days, nice dark form
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100522-081129-214.jpg)
cheers
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Back from a trip 'Up North'. ;D
A few more in flower.
Liparis kumokiri
Ophrys apifera
Platanthera bifolia chlorantha*
Platanthera bifolia chlorantha 1*
Cremastra appendiculata
*On a closer look the pollinia on this plant are too far apart.
P. bifolia pollinia are close together and parallel.
Name altered accordingly to Platanthera chlorantha
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Dactylorhiza Sweetcorn :o wolf whistle
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You should have seen Cyril Lafong's potful at the Glasgow show the other year. 8)
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I think Cyril had a "little" pot of 'Sweetcorn' in one of the six pan classes at Aberdeen last week..... :-\
yes... here we go... it was at the back of the set so lousy photo of it, I'm afraid!
[attach=1] = chopped up sweetcorn!
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Gosh, it's just like Aladin's lamp. Maggi the genie appears with Cyril's orchid. ;D
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lust at first site.
Where are these beauties sourced?
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lust at first site.
Where are these beauties sourced?
PC?
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Just flowering in our acid boggy paddock - several clumps of dactylorhiza maculata (?), and I found two more in the woods behind after a quick look. All pale pink with a variety of markings.
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Dreamy Dactylorhiza 8) An acid bog sounds an interesting habitat.
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An acid bog sounds an interesting habitat.
Want some of ours Robin?
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Another dact. I found on a second trip out at the weekend, interesting because the beetle (trichodes alvearius?) looks like it has a pollen sac stuck to it's head. Dactylorhizas I just too confusing for me, so I don't know which one, but it was growing in a ditch.
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I visited a nearby site in Co Durham (NE England) known for it's helleborines last weekend hoping to photograph Common Twayblades (Neottia ovata) which also grow there - the Epipactis atrorubens were still below the ground at the mo
ment. The Neottia were present, but probably a couple of weeks off flowering due to the late season. However there was a colony of Orchis mascula in flower. About 100-150 flowering plants, with about the same number again too small to flower.
They were growing in regenerated woodland on the edge of the resrve which is an abandoned limestone quarry, now a nature reserve.
Here's a selection of the colour forms in this colony:
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There were also the first two spikes of a Dactylorhiza just emerging - my first of the year. I find that the more I learn about Dactylorhiza identification, the less I know, but I'm pretty sure this is Dactylorhiza purpurella.
I'll try to revisit this site again alter this month to photograph the Neottia, Anacamptis, Epipactis, Ophyrys, Gymnadenia....
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Just flowering in our acid boggy paddock - several clumps of dactylorhiza maculata (?), and I found two more in the woods behind after a quick look. All pale pink with a variety of markings.
Gill, I'd be inclined to agree that they are Dactylorhiza maculata - that very pale first plant is fabulous :D
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Calanthe fargesii flowering yesterday. Took a very long time for the buds to open up.
Regards
David
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Hi David, your Calanthe is beautiful, so delicate.
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I bought this Calopogon tuberosus in the spring of 2007.
The first night in the greenhouse a snail had a gourmet meal, the leaf was skeletised.
3 years with (no flowering ) later, this is what greeted me this morning.
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Fred, well worth the wait! :D
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Mine died off over the winter :-[ but looked slightly different.
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How about from this angle David?
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Hi Fred,
I was referring more to the colour as mine has orange at the top but your is white. Shame I lost them as they are ever so pretty, especially when there are a few of them flowering.
Regards
David
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I was expecting that to colour up as the flower aged.
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A couple of Dactylorhiza species opening up nicely. ;D
Dactylorhiza fuchsii with visitor.
Dactylorhiza fuchsii
Dactylorhiza foliosa
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hey,
some more
Cyps are flowering despite bad weather conditions
Cypripedium Ulla Silkens ' Peter C. '
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100601-102247-726.jpg)
Cypripedium kentuckiense ' Michael '
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100601-102223-98.jpg)
Cypripedium Gabriela
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100601-102222-286.jpg)
Cypripedium Bill
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100601-102222-247.jpg)
Cypripedium Rheinsberg Sparrow Egg, first passerinum hybrid
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100601-102223-808.jpg)
Cypripedium Ulla Silkens, white flower,
looking somewhat like the C.Prof. Robatsch for me ;)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100601-102223-527.jpg)
cheers
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Are you getting this cold weather with rain, as we are, Dieter?
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Are you getting this cold weather with rain, as we are, Dieter?
yes Maggi,
unfortunately we share that "nice" british weather ;)
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Are you getting this cold weather with rain, as we are, Dieter?
yes Maggi,
unfortunately we share that "nice" british weather ;)
Ah yes... it would be so much nicer to share a bier and some chocolate!
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the chocolate for you,
the bier for me :)
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the chocolate for you,
the bier for me :)
That's when my two German phrases would come in handy. "Ein bier bitte". 8)
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the chocolate for you,
the bier for me :)
That's when my two German phrases would come in handy. "Ein bier bitte". 8)
Your second phrase being "zwei Flaschen Bier, bitte" ... I imagine! 8)
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"Noch ein Bier bitte" ::)
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;D
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The first fuchsii is a beauty!
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The first fuchsii is a beauty!
It gets better Mark.
This is it last year at peak time.
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hi, some dactylorhiza in bloom now...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild006-58.jpg?t=1275491442)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild004-64.jpg?t=1275491490)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild002-49.jpg?t=1275491512)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild005-62.jpg?t=1275491536)
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild001-48.jpg?t=1275491562)
cheers
chris
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Another Ophrys apifera, different markings to my other post.
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and a couple of Dact. fuschii from me - that's what I think they are. Their leaves and spots are not very dark. I'll take photos tomorrow.
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Sparrow Egg is a beaut!
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Here in NE England, the Dactylorhiza purpurella are really starting to come into flower.
Here's a couple of close ups..........
And one to prove you don't have to go far to see them. ;)
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hi, dactylorhiza different species with dianthus carthusianorum..
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/DSC_5336.jpg?t=1275654256)
cheers
chris
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Does anyone have photos showing how to pollinate Dactylorhizas? I can get the pollen on to a pencil tip but what now? I didnt realise how small they are!
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Mine died off over the winter :-[ but looked slightly different.
Hi Fred,
I was referring more to the colour as mine has orange at the top but your is white. Shame I lost them as they are ever so pretty, especially when there are a few of them flowering.
Regards
David
I was expecting that to colour up as the flower aged.
Apparently it doesn't ???
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Does anyone have photos showing how to pollinate Dactylorhizas? I can get the pollen on to a pencil tip but what now? I didnt realise how small they are!
hey,
just call a bumble bee ;D
I will take photos tomorrow,
when the sun might shine.
and give some hints then.
its not so difficult to find the right place for the polliniums :)
cheers
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Does anyone have photos showing how to pollinate Dactylorhizas? I can get the pollen on to a pencil tip but what now? I didnt realise how small they are!
The stigma is just below where the two pollinia have their sticky ends. You will notice that in the few seconds after they are pulled off on your pencil they bend so the pollen bundles are in the correct position for pollination. If you collected your pollinia by poking the tip into the opening to the nectary (centre of the flower), then repeating the process on another flower will pollinate it.
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A few more bursting out ;D
Listera ovata
Listera ovata
Eleorchis japonica
Eleorchis japonica
Bletilla striata
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I took this photo yesterday. Not bad!?
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Brilliant colour, Peter
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I took this photo yesterday. Not bad!?
GREAT shot
just put it into the "hole" ;D
cheers
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Thanks. I should have said that's a paper clip :o
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my first dactylorhiza flowering which I am calling Dactylorhiza fuchsii
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a couple more orchids in flower now
Orchis coriophora
Anacaptis pyramidalis
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Leaf damage ..
All the orchids I moved last year in to pots and troughs are showing leaf damage. I first saw this after the hard frost and snow when the new growths looked dead. Did the weather conditions damage the growing points? Damage is on Dacts, Anacamptis, Platanthera. As a precaution I have been spraying weekly with carbendazim.
Is anyone else seeing this? Photo later
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here are the photos. The brown bits are crisp. Onlt the outside leaves are affected. The flowering stems are OK
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The first of Sam Edwards/dactman Dactylorhiza fuschii okellyi is open today >:( >:( >:( It's very pale pink but with dark pink spots. All my books say it can be pale pink but none mention spots on the flowers. The leaves have no spots
Does anyone have photos of okellyi in it's two forms?
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hi, dactylorhiza in flower...
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild005-66.jpg?t=1275995078)
cheers
chris
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The dreaded black death Mark. Fungicide does halt it, but the plants lose their vigour and usually perish.
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Dactylorhiza fuchsii
Sub-species: o'kellyi
IDENTIFICATION:
The leaves are slender and unspotted. The flower stem, up to 30cm tall, bears strongly scented white flowers in a square-topped spike. They are white or very faintly marked, while the lobes of the lip are rounded and almost equal.
Looking at this, if it's not white it's not o'kellyi.
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Agree, interestingly I lost large clumps of The Cruishank form of Dactylorhiza fuschii and D foliosa. After a few years at least one Dac has appeared at each location, very healthy and the Cruikshank orchid has started to bulk up and has flowered for several years. As far as I could tell there were no tubers left at any site.
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Does Cruickshank form = Cruickshanks dark leaf?
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Dactylorhiza fuchsii
Sub-species: o'kellyi
IDENTIFICATION:
The leaves are slender and unspotted. The flower stem, up to 30cm tall, bears strongly scented white flowers in a square-topped spike. They are white or very faintly marked, while the lobes of the lip are rounded and almost equal.
Looking at this, if it's not white it's not o'kellyi.
Svante Malmgren says on his website that 90% are white and 10%pink.
http://www.lidaforsgarden.com/Orchids/dactylorhiza_eng.htm
Mark I would burn them in case they spread to the rest of your plants unless you can quarantine them far away.
David
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Does Cruickshank form = Cruickshanks dark leaf?
No, they are different..... one has a darker leaf..... there's often a clue........ ;D ;D ;)
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:-P If mine is officially called Cruickshank form I need to relabel it
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That picture you just showed is of a much darker leaf form than the usual Cruickshank form.
I must admit that I don't think I am familiar with one purporting to be 'Cruickshanks dark leaf' but it may be a variation that has arisen somewhere from the original type. Roma may know more..... :-\
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Mark I would burn them in case they spread to the rest of your plants unless you can quarantine them far away.
David
You could try digging them up ; taking off any baby tubers that are already formed ; quarantine them and hope for the best while burning the rest.... ???
Be careful of handling any young tubers with the same "paws" as you touch the diseased ones...... risky business.....
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yes I'll be careful. I'll keep them behind the green house
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Dactylorhiza fuchsii
Sub-species: o'kellyi
IDENTIFICATION:
The leaves are slender and unspotted. The flower stem, up to 30cm tall, bears strongly scented white flowers in a square-topped spike. They are white or very faintly marked, while the lobes of the lip are rounded and almost equal.
Looking at this, if it's not white it's not o'kellyi.
Svante Malmgren says on his website that 90% are white and 10%pink.
http://www.lidaforsgarden.com/Orchids/dactylorhiza_eng.htm
Mark I would burn them in case they spread to the rest of your plants unless you can quarantine them far away.
David
What does the official description say?
I can't find it online.
Doesn't seem much point in having a white subspecies that is pink ::)
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I suppose it depends whose official description you are using!!
One of my books says'The D. maculata group offers a bewildering variety of types' but both of mine say o'kellyi is white but then so are a lot of others
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Try this one for size 8)
Dactylorhiza okellyi (Druce) Avertanov
Etymology: named after O'KELLY, Irish doctor who collected it.Type: Hb, Clare (1909).
Synonyms: Orchis maculata var. okellyi DRUCE, Orchis okellyi (DRUCE) DRUCE, Orchis maculata subsp. okellyi (DRUCE) DRUCE, Dactylorhiza fuchsii subsp. okellyi (DRUCE) SOÓ, Dactylorhiza maculata subsp. okellyi (DRUCE) BAUMAN & KÜNKELE.
Description: like Dactylorhiza fuchsii but often slender,(15-)20-40cm tall, cauline leaves , 5-8 quite narrow, erect to spreading, arching downwards, often keeled, not spotted, up to 8cm long, 2cm wide, the upper 2-4 leaves bract-like; bracts shorter than flowers; inflorescence short and compact, subcylindrical to subovoid, 3-5cm high; flowers small, scented, usually pure white, not spotted; labellum medium-sized, 5.5mm long, 8mm wide, spreading, clearly trilobed; 2n=40.
Variations: very distinct and only slightly variable taxon; transitions towards Dactylorhiza fuchsii exist, however they are sometimes considered to belonging to the species; in the broad sense Dactylorhiza okelleyi can thus exhibit individuals with faintly spotted leaves, always near the tip, and with flowers faintly pink-tinged and imperceptably spotted. Flowering V-VII
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No photo from me of my ?okellyi until Thursday when the very welcome rain stops. By then many flowers will be open
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The books say many things that don't always hold true in the field or in cultivation!
Beware of defining a species from the description of one 'expert', there will always be
a plant of that species willing to 'cock-a-snoot' ;)
I love the 'not very variable' statements that appear in such books, so profound, right
upto the point where you look at a new population that is rather variable!! I wonder
just how many populations in how many countries have been researched in order for
an author to be 'authorative'? ;) ;)
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A self-seeding Dactylorhiza incarnata
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Very nice Oleg, is the lip a typical form with you? Here the lobes tend to be less folded.
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last year Listera ovata appeared in the garden and this year there are now five plants flowering in different areas so it appears to be spreading.
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On the subject of Dactylorhiza fuchsii v. okellyi, I contacted Professor Richard Bateman for clarification. He is a Hardy Orchid Society colleague and taxonomic specialist in these plants and this is a paraphrase of his reply:
"The argument for varietal status was based on morphometric analyses that showed extensive overlap with non-okellyi populations of fuchsii, though subsequent DNA-based analyses (Pillon et al. 2007) did not reveal any differences from standard fuchsii. Some authors still prefer subspecific status for okellyi, but very few would argue for species-level recognition. Okellyi is a misunderstood name; many folk apply it only to albinos, when in fact it refers to populations containing an unusually large proportion of anthocyanin-deficient individuals."
So there you have it, it's just a plain fuchsii without red, blue or violet. ;D ;D ;D
The many specimens I saw on the Burren and around Mullaghmore were indeed pure white with the faintest hint of lime green. They stood out like candles in the surrounding vegetation.
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That's sorted that out then Maren ;D
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and here are some photos of okellyi (not) but hopefully possibly ::)
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I'm going to lift all my orchids that look the same and keep them together as a group
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and here are some photos of okellyi (not) but hopefully possibly ::)
I'm afraid it's a negative Mark.
You don't have okellyi
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Oh well.
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Same with mine from Sam Edwards, will get a photo of it when is opened, but it looks a deep pink colour will appear. >:(
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Neil I didnt know about the UK Orchid forum. Must go for a look and maybe show some plants
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Neil I didnt know about the UK Orchid forum. Must go for a look and maybe show some plants
Neither did I....I've been reading the German one! ::)
http://www.ukorchidforum.com/index.php?sid=c3441c6811f6e77a538f424a338f9cab
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Svante Malmgren says on his website that 90% are white and 10%pink.
http://www.lidaforsgarden.com/Orchids/dactylorhiza_eng.htm
David
From the information Maren obtained it would appear that Svante Malmgren doesn't have D. okellyi either.
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I am reminded of that old music hall song.... "Has anybody here seen (O') kelly(i) " ;)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Xy4eDKTaQA
Kelly and his sweetheart wore a very pleasant smile,
And sent upon a holiday they went from Mona's Isle,
They landed safe in London but alas it's sad to say,
For Kelly lost his little girl up Piccadilly way.
She searched for him in vain and then of course began to fret,
And this is the appeal she made to everyone she met:
Has anybody here seen Kelly?
K-E-double-L-Y.
Has anybody here seen Kelly?
Find him if you can!
He's as bad as old Antonio,
Left me on my own-ee-o,
Has anybody here seen Kelly?
Kelly from the Isle of Man!
When it started raining she exclaimed, "What shall I do?"
For Kelly had her ticket and her spending money too,
She wandered over London like a hound upon the scent,
At last she found herself outside the Houses of Parliament.
She got among the suffragettes who chained her to the grille,
And soon they heard her shouting in a voice both loud and shrill:
Has anybody here seen Kelly?
K-E-double-L-Y.
Has anybody here seen Kelly?
Find him if you can!
He's as bad as old Antonio,
Left me on my own-ee-o,
Has anybody here seen Kelly?
Kelly from the Isle of Man!
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Nice voice Maggi.
Interesting choice of costume too..... were you expecting Simon?
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You've lost me, Fred! :-\
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Neil I didnt know about the UK Orchid forum. Must go for a look and maybe show some plants
Neither did I....I've been reading the German one! ::)
http://www.ukorchidforum.com/index.php?sid=c3441c6811f6e77a538f424a338f9cab
What German ones?
I have
http://www.orchideenkultur.net/index.php?board=25.0
http://www.forum.orchideen-forum.de/forumdisplay.php?f=27
http://www.heimische-orchideen-forum.de/index_1024_768.htm
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A few of mine flowering now
Liparis loeselii sorry about quality its only a very small plant about 6 cm tall.
Dactylorhiza fuschii close up of flower
Dactylorhiza fuschii close up of flower head
Dactylorhiza fuschii group
Dactylorhiza fuschii ssp. hebridensis
edit too put correct name in
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These...
http://www.forum.orchideen-forum.de/forumdisplay.php?f=27
http://www.heimische-orchideen-forum.de/index_1024_768.htm
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Neil I recognise those flowers :D
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For you orchidaceous types here is Paphiopedilum niveum flowering at a friend's today. I was quite taken by its modesty.
johnw
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Neil, very interesting to see Liparis loselii.
Flowering here now;
Ascofinetia 'Cherry Blossom'
Gymnadenia conopsea
Gymnadenia conopsea var. densiflora
Ophrys scolopax ssp. cornuta
Anacamptis pyramidalis
Dactylorhiza cordigera
Orchis morio ssp. morio( Thanks to a fellow forumist )
Ochis morio ssp. picta
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I pulled one of my sick Dacts out of its pot. The roots have died.
Here's a self sown seedling that has flowered for the first time this year among some Agapanthus
answers on a postcard to 43 Birch.....
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Another two Dactylorhiza.
Dactylorhiza maculata
Dactylorhiza unknown ( possible fuchsii hybrid)?
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Two good looking forms!
I was at a wedding yesterday, yawn, and called in to Susan Tindals nursery just up the road. She had D. elata, not in my book, for sale but it looked very like what I have as Alex Duguid. I think my Alex Duguid is Dactylorhiza purpurella.
Does anyone know the orchid Alex Duguid and have a photo?
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two photos of one of my sick Dactylorhizas
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My Alex Duguid/purpurella have plain pale green leaves but my book says leaves can be plain to very spotted
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She had D. elata, not in my book, for sale but it looked very like what I have as Alex Duguid. I think my Alex Duguid is Dactylorhiza purpurella.
A German site has it as Dactylorhiza elata 'Alex Duguid'
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here are the leaves of my ?Alex Duguid
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Fred, what's the link?
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http://www.ppp-index.de/L1BYP0c9RGFjdHlsb3JoaXphJkE9ZWxhdGEmTUlEPTM3NDM.html
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Following on from Peter's pictures of Dactylorhiza majalis ssp purpurella in NE England I visited a lovely site on Shap at the weekend. The orchids were doing well and now Listera ovata has appeared is doing very well but not yet in flower. My last picture is of some growing there in 2006 but these seem to have been destroyed by roadworks and are now recolonising. This is not a problem as they were growing in the verge where the road had originally been constructed and are now just spreading back again.
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If anyone is looking for another forum to join/lurk on ;D, here's one that seems to have been missed:
http://terrorchid.org/
I've found it quite useful for information on cultivation
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hey,
the last Cyps are coming:
Cypripedium kentuckiense cv. 'John'
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100614-162606-108.jpg)
Cypripedium Lothar Pinkepank (Hybrid)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100614-162606-485.jpg)
and some of the Dactylorhizas are coming:
Dactylorhiza maculata variegata
foliage
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100614-162606-120.jpg)
flower
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100614-162606-867.jpg)
Dactylorhiza Unknown (bought as D. foliosa 'dark' from Laneside)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100614-162606-84.jpg)
Dactylorhiza Eskimo Nell (Hybrid)
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100614-163624-1.jpg)
Spiranthes romanzoffiana
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100614-162627-161.jpg)
enjoy
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In case anyone is wondering why Tony referred to the Dactylorhiza photos of mine as Dactylorhiza majalis ssp purpurella, where I had labelled them Dactylorhiza purpurella (and I was confused), this link, accessed via the terrestrial orchid forum website mentioned above, explains it all:
http://culturesheet.org/orchidaceae:dactylorhiza. :o
Essentially, if you carry out DNA studies, you divide Dactylorhizas into five groups, D majalis being one of them, which contain the 'species'. Whether the species names are therefore valid depends on whether you prefer to go by DNA characteristics or botanical characterisitcs. In a rapidly speciating genus like Dactylorhiza, it can be difficult to reply solely on gross botanical features. If you favour the 'botanical' approach, D purpurella has precedence and is the valid name according to the IPNI database.
So essentially we're both right 8)
That's now clear then ;D
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Peter I noticed that I had quoted the name differently to you after I had posted and thought what a mess they are. My books are old like I am getting but I am also cynical and just wait for the names to come around again.
The article you quote is very interesting but having watched the discussion on the identification of o'kellyi , and seeing the definitive article pronouncing it a species having been posted ,I note the article you refer to defines it as a synonym.
I think identification depends on whom you are reading on a particular day.
As you say thats clear then!
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some pictures of Platanthera chlorantha not showy but very elegant.
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Tony, superb specimen!!
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Mine is flowering now also thanks to a kind forum member. Here's a tight shot of a flower
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Ophrys apifera flowering in my greenhouse.
Any tips on pollinating this one as I'd like some more seed to flask.
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Dave,
O.apifera is self pollinating so make yourself a Pimms, pour a beer etc and wait for it to do the hard work for you! ;)
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This Platanthera chlorantha got a little confused, it has conjoined flower stems.
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Fred that is lovely,so white it seems to glisten
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hey,
some of the more rare species opened the flowers...........
Cypripedium reginae alba
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100615-132000-879.jpg)
Cypripedium reginae alba, closeup
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100615-132000-507.jpg)
Dactylorhiza iberica
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100615-131753-856.jpg)
Dactylorhiza iberica, closeup
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100615-131915-687.jpg)
enjoy
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Dieter, super plants, I love the D.iberica, great lip markings.
Here;
Gymnadenia conopsea var. densiflora 'alba'
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hey Chris,
nice conopsea densiflora albas :)
my conopsea albas hopefully will flower soon..........
cheers
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Dieter and Chris both very nice plants.Here are three Orchis coriophora
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Again, very tidy specimens Tony,I like the lax flowered form best I think.
You might enjoy this one,I can't actually find an 'x' name for this one.
Orchis laxiflora x coriophoraHas the form of laxiflora but the darker colouring and lip markings of coriophora. I live in hope that this hasn't been seen before......
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Hi
Goofy I'm not sure why you doubt your Dactylorhiza foliosa as it looks just like mine. I suppose mine could be wrongly named though.
Your Cypripedium reginae alba is stunning. I really like the pure white Cyps. we have been seeing on the forum.
Some of my Dacts. from today.
Firstly two Dact. foliosa
Then one I think is Dact. majalis. I have included a couple of close ups, the second taken with the camera flash on, and leaves. So if someone would like to hazzard a guess I would appreciate it. It grows to approximately 50cm tall.
Graham
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hello Graham,
I just doubt, because aof comparing "MY" plant with some pics in the web and in my books.
nevertheless it might be a "selectect" form of foliosa
as discussed befor the form "Alex Duguid"
otherwise there are many plants of hybrid origin "on the market" and it also might be an interresting plant of hybrid origin, which was sold "as" foliosa.
fascinating the "dark spotted" leaves :)
cheers
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Dieter if you bought it from Jeff at Laneside, he does sell a selected clone of D foliosa, which is darker than the true one.
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hello Neil,
my pic shows that "dark" cultivar. but it is not foliosa.
also the shape of leaves in not foliosa...............
whatever it is, it might be of hybrid origin.
there are not so many of "true" foliosa pics to find in the web,
but one can be seen on this page:
http://www.ulmer.de/QUlEPTE3NjcwNCZNSUQ9NTQ5OTU.html
click on the left pic to enlarge and enjoy :)
THIS is true foliosa for me............,
NO "lines" in the labellum.
I have one of this kind, but not yet flowering.
cheers
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hi, epipactis hybrid "sabine"
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild016-25.jpg?t=1277132180)
epipactis gigantea
(http://i610.photobucket.com/albums/tt188/yuccajoe/Bild017-23.jpg?t=1277132201)
cheers
chris
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MIne is flowering now too!
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Cruickshanks dark leaf is now in full flower
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and a plant that has seeded in to the middle of a large group of Agapanthus
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This came to me as Satyrium membranaceum. It is a South African winter grower and the leaves went dormant about a month ago so it looks a bit odd being in full flower and I don't know if I should water it or not. I'll let you know if I get it wrong! I know it has made a new tuber because it is half way out of a drainage hole in the pot and therefore somewhat constricted around the middle ;D
UPDATE: Just looked in Stewart et al "Wild Orchids of Southern Africa" and I reckon it is actually S.longicolle.
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Nice Darren ;D
How hardy is that?
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Hi Fred,
Note I've just changed the ID to S. longicolle.
No idea how frost hardy it would be - I grow it just frost free with my other Cape plants. It has certainly tolerated -2 or -3C for a short time.
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very nice Darren
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some different dactylorhiza plants
The first five are self sown and one of the ones by the pond is fasciated this year. It could have been caught by a bit of weedkiller at some stage. There are over 100 self sown ones flowering this year.
The next is Dactylorhiza Eskimo Nell. Not very exciting and I see from other comments it may have virus. It is not a good plant and I thought perhaps it either was a poor thing or been grown badly,I had not considered virus.
The last two are Dactylorhiza saccifera and the second of these has very large bracts and small flowers,not worth growing (perhaps a new species !!)
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Hi Tony,
Is there a whole poulation of these small flowered forms?
Probably it's just an aberant form, like hyper and hypochromic individuals?
D.saccifera is local to me and has established itself rapidly in the garden
one of its homes is a drain outlet!
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Chris I do not know if others are small flowered but the first one is from the same area and has more'normal' flowers. Probably just a one off.
Cypripedium reginae in flower today
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We're not so sure that Eskimo Nell is virused.... here at lkeast. As is often the case with white versions of plants, this one is not always so robust, though when growing well it does a pretty good job of making big stems and flowers. The foliage can appear superficially "dodgy" because it has all the markings of a spotted Dact. but washed out, so to speak.... the markings are just ghostly remnants on the leaves.If the spots were the same colour as those on a regular spotted dact you would think nothing of it, but the marks on Eskimo Nell are like leftover marks after a stain has been washed out! They are rounded and regular, not like the blotches and streaks typical of virus, though without a good close examination, one could be forgiven fopr thinking otherwise.
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:oPINK WARNING :o
Disa watsonii
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I'd like to point you all to this page, makes for good reading http://www.albiflora.eu/blog/
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I'd like to point you all to this page makes for good reading http://www.albiflora.eu/blog/
Thank you, Davey, a very useful link. 8)
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Hi,
this will probably be my last lot of flowers, except for the Spiranthes later on.
Bletilla striata;
Cypripedium, a cross made by Jan Moors, can't remember the parents;
Cypripedium kentuckiense, 90cm tall, wish it were 50cm with lots of growths instead;
Cypripedium reginae, I liked the pouch;
Epipactis mairei, a great favourite, especially the form with bordeau coloured stems; not that easy to grow I find;
Epipactis Sabine;
Pleione chunii;
Pleione hookeriana;
Pogonia ophioglossoides, a sweet little number that grows with my pleiones and likes to sit in rain water all year round.
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WOW.. love Pleione chunii 8)
Angie :)
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I'd like to point you all to this page makes for good reading http://www.albiflora.eu/blog/
Fantastic link Davey - many thanks.
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I thought this was never going to flower. Its been in the bud stage for ages.
Bletilla striata 'Soryu' Blue Dragon.
The first picture was taken in the shade and it looks quite blue. The next were taken in the sun and shows the true colour. Not quite the blue I was expecting but a lovely Bletilla all the same. Perhaps I will have to look at it in the shade all the time.
Graham
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Tomorrow I'm going to N Irelands orchid heaven. I've known about it for years but have never gone. Hopefully I'll have lots of photos to show.
Mustnt forget the trowel :o only joking
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3 more from me
Dactylorhiza purpurella, try as I may I could not get the colour right on this it is in fact much more purple. Does anyone know how to take a photo, on a digital camera to get the purple showing. I have tried photoshop to correct it but to now avail.
Dactylorhiza praetermissa this is only 3 years old the other 3 in the pot have not flowered.
Dactylorhiza incarnata subsp.coccinea seems not as tall as it was last year!
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I went back to Shap yesterday and the Listera ovata were in full flower. I have only seen single plants before but here they were in clumps. Sorry about the quality of the picture which I took on my phone-a first for me!
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Very long wire on your phone Tony :P
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I saw 100s of Listera today but none in groups and all suffering from the drought. All orchids at the site I visited where short and wilting. The warden was saying he has never seen the site look so brown
This is a Dactylorhiza ?fuchsii that grows in a trough at my back door. Its very tall and smells so good but I cant place the smell.
The best scented orchid in the garden is Cruickshanks dark leaf. Good enough to smell every day. I wish I could describe the scent
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The orchids above are 26 inches / 66cm tall
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Thanks for showing the pictures Graham. I have been pondering buying that one, but keep wondering if it is really blue.
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John do you overwinter your bletilla in a greenhouse?
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John do you overwinter your bletilla in a greenhouse?
Hi Davey
No. All are planted in the open garden.
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hey,
just flowering nicely as every year, about 60 cm tall.
Dactylorhiza Eskimo Nell
enjoy.
cheers
Very Beautiful, thanks for showing.
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"Does anyone know how to take a photo, on a digital camera to get the purple showing. I have tried photoshop to correct it but to now avail."
Hi, this can be very tricky on a digital camera. Look for Shooting Modes, some cameras have them, such as: Portrait, children, fireworks, landscape, etc. Mine has a mode called 'Underwater'. It gives a warmer colour result than the others, and I use it a lot.
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'Does anyone know how to take a photo, on a digital camera to get the purple showing. I have tried photoshop to correct it but to now avail'
Take auto white balance off if you can and set white balance yourself if your camera allows you to do this (all DSLR will). Refer to manual on how to do it.
If using a DSLR, shoot in RAW & Jpeg mode as it's far easier to adjust white balance correction using RAW material in photoshop. If you can, place a small bit of white paper on the edges of your photo that can be cropped out later after white balance has been adjusted using eye dropper to select white area in Raw picture manager. If there is a white area in the photo, just use the eye dropper on this area. Below is a quick example of a Calanthe I took deliberately setting the wrong white balance. Hope it's of some help. You can also play with the drop down menu that says white balance on the right of the screen.
This is only available for people using camera's that allow you to shoot RAW files.
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Does anyone know what Calanthe this is?
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Dactylorhiza purpurella, try as I may I could not get the colour right on this it is in fact much more purple. Does anyone know how to take a photo, on a digital camera to get the purple showing. I have tried photoshop to correct it but to now avail.
You can alter the white balance but that effects the entire picture and moves the overall colour either to the blue side (cool) or yellow side (warm). I am not sure if Photoshop Elements has the same option but in Photoshop CS you can make minor adjustments on JPEG through "image-> adjustments-> selective color". This will show the below option and by choosing "magenta" for purple flowers and by adding more magenta and taking away some yellow you will increase the purple appearance. To what extent you need to do it to get true to nature is upto you. But be aware that every computerscreen that is not calibrated to a standard colour profile will show colors differently. Also be aware that it will affect all purple in the picture.
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Yes the white balance will change the whole picture but if its wrong in the first place and the colours are not correct, then the whole image needs changing. Get it right at the start and you will avoid having the wrong colours. White balance works by determine what is white and then adjusting all other colours to what it thinks will be correct based on the white setting. If the white setting is wrong, then everything else will be wrong. The problem with most DSLR and compacts that it is quite often wrong in AWB mode.
If the Dact purpurella should have been more purple then the rest of the picture is also wrong based on the white balance (colour balance setting). Problem taking photo's outside is that the light is constantly changing from one photo to the next and it's better to shoot everything on a dull overcast day.
Please also remember that the camera needs to be able to obtain a white balance from something. Next two pictures were taken one after another with no light changes or setting changes. The only difference is that the angle was changed in order for the camera to see a piece of white paper and balance from it. Quite a difference.
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A couple flowering in the garden today.
1) The white find again - slightly more advanced.
2) A nice 'lilac' foundling from my brothers field too.
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The white is stunning John.
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Really lovely ...I do like the white dactylorhiza 8). Maggi invited me to there garden the other day to see there white dactylorhizas, they had lots of Eskimo Nell, I was so jealous.
I was amazed at how there dactylorhizas had bulked up.
Angie
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John,
I can't remember if it's been asked.....
Is that white Dactylorhiza scented?
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Mark showed a pic of Dactylorhyza Cruickshank's dark leaf 2 or 3 pages back and asked if I knew about it's origin. I know the dark leaf form did not originate in the Cruickshank Garden and had not heard of it till Mark showed it. Any pics of the leaves, Mark?
The original has been struggling in my garden for years. One did appear this year but did not look well and seems to have disappeared. It produced a reasonable flower last year.
Dactylorhyza 'Cruickshank'
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Many years ago I had large patches of Dactylorhyza foliosa and elata. I even sold some to Paul Christian. They all succumbed to the viral or fungal problem which causes the leaves to blacken and gradually weakens the plant. I did have a few Dactylorhyza purpurella in another part of the garden and they survived and proliferated to almost weed like proportions especially in pots in the cold frame. I still had a few Dactylorhyza 'Cruickshank' but they have dwindled too. It starts into growth very early and I was never sure if the browning of the leaf tips was weather damage or the dreaded 'Black Death'.
About three years ago I noticed a different orchid in the grass. It had broad leaves like D. purpurella but they were spotted and came into growth earlier than the purpurella. The local wild orchid is Dactylorhyza maculata which lowers later than Dactylorhyza purpurella so I think the other parent is D. 'Cruickshank'. Unfortunately this year the leaves are starting to die back at the tips so maybe it is on its way out.
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Forum's very quiet tonight. Where is everybody? I have a few more dacty pics prepared so will carry on posting.
I rescued the first one from the field my ponies were grazing last summer after it had been eaten and stood on.. I think it is Dactylorhyza maculata with nice spotty leaves and darker flowers than usual.
The others are Dactylorhyza purpurella which pop up everywhere. Gentiana 'Compact Gem' did wellinth show at the discussion weekend last year. I didn't get round to repotting this year so it's going to be a problem weeding the pot if I want to show it this year.
The other group is just outside my back door.
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Maybe everyone is watching the football, Roma?
You've got quite a problem with weeding that gentian pot.... maybe you'd be as well to leave it be and enter it as a mini garden ? ;D
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Roma, mine is very different to your plant
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Problem with that, Maggi is the orchids will be well over before the gentian is flowering.
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Yes Mark. Very different. Where did you get it and how far back can you trace its origins?
Do you grow D. Cruickshank, Maggi? I have a feeling Ian may have posted a photo in the log sometime. My memory is not very good these days.
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Problem with that, Maggi is the orchids will be well over before the gentian is flowering.
Well, quite.... but then the gentian isn't flowering now.... see how tricky it is for the mini gardeners to get this stuff just right, eh?!!!
Yes, we grow D. 'Cruickshank' - the leaves are well spotted but pale green background...they had an "attack" of the black death a few years ago but we got them cleaned up by taking off the baby tubers quite early and replanting them in a new spot.
They're not doing too badly now. They do have this habit of putting out their foliage VERY early and it nearly always sustains some frost/ wind damage.....indeed tricky to decide whether that or the disease is at work at times.
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John,
I can't remember if it's been asked.....
Is that white Dactylorhiza scented?
Hi Fred
I have never thought of smelling a Dactylorhiza before. So prompted by your question I have just had a 4.30am wander round the garden sniffing. I can report no smell on the white or purple forms here - but that lilac one has a beautiful delicate scent. 8)
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Hello John,
that white is stunning. As for scent, you may like to try again when it's warmed up. Some plants only produce scent when their pollinators are active, which in some cases is temperature dependent. I find that a lot with my tropical orchids and scented pleiones (praecox).
Maybe they were still in bed when you were about at 4:30? ;) ;) ;)
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Roma love your purpurella
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Thanks for everyone's reply about taking purple flower shots. Will give it another go later.
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Still having no luck with purple but I have mastered green
Herminium monorchis
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Hello John,
that white is stunning. As for scent, you may like to try again when it's warmed up. Some plants only produce scent when their pollinators are active, which in some cases is temperature dependent. I find that a lot with my tropical orchids and scented pleiones (praecox).
Maybe they were still in bed when you were about at 4:30? ;) ;) ;)
Hi Maren
Many thanks for the suggestion - I'm home from work and have had another sniff but still no scent that my nose can detect. I'll just have to appreciate its looks. 8)
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Still having no luck with purple but I have mastered green
Herminium monorchis
Nice plant Neil, care to describe the scent?
Well either describe it or send the plant :D
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Fred why do you want to know the scent of Neils pant lmao
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Still having no luck with purple but I have mastered green
Herminium monorchis
Nice pant Neil, care to describe the scent?
Well either describe it or send the plant :D
BBQ
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Because they smell so good? I've asked lots of people to describe the scent of my plants and we are all stumped. It's like a "bowl of fresh fruit", "icecream" and "vanilla"
Maggi go out and sniff your Dacts
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Fred why do you want to know the scent of Neils pant lmao
That'll teach me to double check my typing.
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Because they smell so good? I've asked lots of people to describe the scent of my plants and we are all stumped. It's like a "bowl of fresh fruit", "icecream" and "vanilla"
Maggi go out and sniff your Dacts
Well, that was time consuming... there are more of them than you'd think!
Pretty hard to smell anything in our garden at the moment other than the Corydalis 'Craigton Blue ' which is wafting it's delicious sweet honey scent everywhere. However, I have thoroughly sniffed every size shape colour and form of Dactylorhiza.... lord knows how many critters I have inhaled in the process :P
So, what is the scent? Nothing really! Only the faintest honey vanilla.... the very faintest whiff, mind. they are not what I would term "scented" as such. :-X
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You've just not got the right ones Maggi.
Some are well scented.
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Maggi you always make me laugh... the thought of all those creepy crawlies in your nose just makes me smile :) You must have been out there all afternoon sniffing with the amount of dactylorhizas you have out there. Still it was a lovely day for being out in the garden.
Angie :)
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Maggi try again on a nice warm day
here are the flowers of my variegated Dactylorhiza. The bracts are variegated also. I'll try and get a better photo of them.
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My trip to view orchids at Killard Point was mind blowing. A bit like snowdrops :o I found them extremely confusing - except for pyramidal and twayblades
The Dactylorhizas were in every shade from purest white, greenish whites through to all shades of pink, purples and almost red. The height range was so variable from tiny but flowering to huge mosters like we see in our gardens. It was impossible to walk in the grass without standing on orchids. Well not good in my size 10s
A guy who works there wants to start propogating, to sell, to prevent thefts. He likes my idea of an 'allotment' where he can lift, from the wild, and replant orchids
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My trip to view orchids at Killard Point was mind blowing. A bit like snowdrops :o I found them extremely confusing - except for pyramidal and twayblades
The Dactylorhizas were in every shade from purest white, greenish whites through to all shades of pink, purples and almost red. The height range was so variable from tiny but flowering to huge mosters like we see in our gardens. It was impossible to walk in the grass without standing on orchids. Well not good in my size 10s
A guy who works there wants to start propogating, to sell, to prevent thefts. He likes my idea of an 'allotment' where he can lift, from the wild, and replant orchids
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here's my Pogonia ophioglossoides
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A pretty little thing Dave.
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What size is it Davey?
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Now this is a different Dactylorhiza - the petals point forward. Front a distance it looks fluffy
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Mark the foliage is about 6-7 inches and the flower stem maybe 9,that Dactylorhiza is a stunner is it multygrowth.Can you pm your address so i can send you a bulb of my spikey snowdrop.
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Flowering now in my greenhouse - Pogonia ophioglossoides, bought two years ago from Jim Sutherland (Ardfearn Nursery) at the Aberdeen SRGC Show. It has 12 flowers this year.
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Roma that P.ophioglossoides is really sweet, how come I miss all the lovely plants...I suppose the difference is you know your plants and what to buy.
Angie :)
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Roma that P.ophioglossoides is really sweet, how come I miss all the lovely plants...I suppose the difference is you know your plants and what to buy.
Angie :)
Angela, I was just thinking that myself..... I never saw those on Jim and Agnes' stand either... we must have been too busy.... no time for shopping!! That's my excuse, anyway.... Roma will give me a clip in the ear when she sees me next!!
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Maggi if only we had time to shop ::) ;D
Angie :)
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Have you seen the price on the label :o - that was a bargain!
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Indeed, at the recent Peterborough International Orchid show, I saw them for sale for £12 for a pot of 3 flowers. You did well there.
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Very nice Roma
Davey do you mean is there more than one spike? There were about 6 or a few more. I'll have to offer a swap to get one. They arent in my garden
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Roma thats a lovely form do you fancy a swap for a bit of mine.Mark i'm sure i could sort a bit of mine for you when it goes dormant.
I have about 8 spikes on mine at the moment.
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£3.50!!!! :o
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Have you seen the price on the label Shocked - that was a bargain!
£3.50!!!!
Okay, okay, don't rub it in, don't you think Angela and I feel bad enough already?!! :'(
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I usually cut the price off the labels so her indoors doesn't see! :D
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Don't we all ;)
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Or keep plants in the boot/trunk until after dark before sneaking them out
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Yes Maggi its bad enough not being able to get to the sales table to buy the plant at the show but to miss out at that price makes it even worse.
Roma see how sad you have made us feel :'(
When me and my mum used to come home with all our plants we left them in the car until my dads newspaper came and then we would sneak them around to the back of the house, he never noticed anything when his nose was stuck in the paper, not even mums 5ft Australian grass tree.
Thanks for bringing back some good memories to me.
Angie :)
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Sorry to upset you all by leaving the price on the label. A big patch of P. ophioglossoides was shown in the bog garden thread and it was mentioned that it went for big prices on e-bay so I thought I'd make some of you jealous. Jim sometimes has a small number of unusual plants on his stand and then does not have them again. It must have grown well on the nursery before it was so cheap. I keep hoping to have it in flower for the Aberdeen show but it has not flowered that early since.
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mentioning Ardfearn
I was talking to a guy who works for Lagan Valley Regional Park and asked where he was from. Unbelievably he was friends with Jims children
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Wild pyramidal orchids flowering now in our orchard. They are gradually increasing in numbers but some of the verges and roundabouts near here are literally stuffed with them! Sadly we've only got 2 bee orchids this year, usually more but never to the extent of our neighbours who say that one year they had over a thousand in their orchard.
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Stunning Gail
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Wild pyramidal orchids flowering now in our orchard. They are gradually increasing in numbers but some of the verges and roundabouts near here are literally stuffed with them! Sadly we've only got 2 bee orchids this year, usually more but never to the extent of our neighbours who say that one year they had over a thousand in their orchard.
Really lovely, Gail .... and HOW exciting for your neighbours!! :o 8)
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Nice pictures Gail. I don't suppose you could pop next door and taking a photo for us could you? :)
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our neighbours who say that one year they had over a thousand in their orchard.
:o :o :o :o
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The thousand in the orchard was many years ago - the sole remaining sister at the farm is now very elderly and the orchard overgrown so its more brambles than anything now.
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A couple of orchids in full bloom today.
A Dactylorhiza maculata I selected as it has an interesting leaf pattern.
Bletilla formosana
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A Dactylorhiza maculata I selected as it has an interesting leaf pattern.
hey, dont see any interesting leaf pattern................ ::)
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You may recognise this one.
Epipactis thunbergii
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Gorgeous, Fred ...
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These could be my final (garden) orchid photos for this year, at least until the autumn flowering Pterostylis start:
Epipactis royleana
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hey,
these are just flowering.
Calopogon tuberosus alba
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100721-125151-437.jpg)
Spiranthes sinensis
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100721-125405-533.jpg)
and closeup
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20100721-125204-987.jpg)
cheers
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These are from the Italian Dolomites from last weeks, very nice to see so many!
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Gymnadenia conopsea the Fragrant Orchid
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Great shots of a real beauty Fred - were there others?
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Love your Spiranthes sinensis. I find them a bit touch and go. How do you grow them? do you protect them in the winter?
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Goodyera oblongifolia in flower. The spike is about 15cms tall and the flowers are very tiny. The last one is to show the leaves which are its main feature
Goodyera oblongifolia
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Hi,
Spiranthes cernua v odorata 'Chadd's Ford', a form of Ladies' Tresses, just starting in my garden, rather early, usually they flower from October to Christmas. The flowers don't open completely but the scent is lovely.
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Love your Spiranthes sinensis. I find them a bit touch and go. How do you grow them? do you protect them in the winter?
they are growing in pots, in summer in the open garden in sunny position.
In winter in the unheated greenhouse, because I am not sure that they are really winter hardy.
cheers
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Spiranthes cernua v odorata 'Chadd's Ford', a form of Ladies' Tresses
What a beautiful flower spike open and in bud, Maren, and to flower for so long with scent is such a bonus - do you grow it in full sun?
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Hi Ragged Robin,
I'm glad you like the Spiranthes. I grow them in semi shade, they seem to prefer that. They are kept quite moist all through the year. If in pots, they are in saucers or equivalent, if in the ground, I lay a sheet of plastic, edges curved up by 1 inch, underneath where they are planted. That keeps a lot of moisture for them without becoming stagnant.
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That is really interesting...thanks for the tips, Maren, I shall look out for these lovely plants :
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The small Spathoglottis ixioides is flowering and really brightens up the grey late summer here. :D
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Very pretty Thomas.
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First of my autumn flowering pleiones has finally opened. It's Pleione saxicola by the way! Even after a few years growing the autumn flowerers it's still a little strange seeing Pleiones open at this time of year, but very pleasant, in what is otherwise a flower-free greenhouse.
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Lovely flower, Steve with a great depth of colour.
Size was a little large for easy viewing though, so I've resized it for you to 760 pixels wide and reposted it. ;)
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Sorry about the photo's size Maggi. First go at posting photo and got it wrong!
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No worries, Steve.... for lovely photos it's worth it! Let's see more!
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Maggi, to ask nicely is to receive. Pleione Confirmation this time. P. maculata's colour with P. praecox's size. One of my favourites and a "good doer".
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Hi Steve, I love that one too. Is this last year's photo? Mine are nowhere near ready to flower.
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Hello Maren, the Confirmation photograph was taken this morning, the saxicola yesterday. It's been downright cool up in Lincolnshire since mid August, with nights down as low as seven degrees even in the greenhouse, and a chilly wind off the sea keeping day time temperatures well below "norm". I only purchased Confirmation last year but the one bulb has produced two whoppers this year, each with two flowers on, hence my comment about it being a good doer. Even my maculata are producing flowers albeit only just starting to grow, but it was November last year before they flowered. It will be interesting to see when the "normal" pleiones go dormant. Last year many were still green and healthy into December, I doubt that it will be so late this year, unless of course the so-called Indian Summer finally arrives.
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I just love the colour of P. maculata and 'Confirmation' is a beauty.
Makes me nostalgic for the days before our "Gothenburg Annexe " was the "Pleione House" ( all 6 foot by 4ft of it!) :'( Not that we had any like 'Confirmation' which I don't think I have seen in real life.
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That 'Confirmation' is so lovely. :D
I hope I'll see my plant flowering as well but it's still green as are most of the other Pleiones. Only 'Sangay' had a really bad season and already dropped its leaves on two tiny bulbs (out of one flowering sized one).