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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Matt T on October 01, 2014, 02:35:06 PM
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I love the delicate colour of this Crocus laevigatus AH.0153.
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These corms were ordered as Crocus pulchellus, but the pale yellow throat and many branched, stigma over-topping the anthers key out as Crocus speciosus subsp. speciosus. Can anyone verify this ID please?
Thanks, M
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Labelled as Crocus speciosus, I'm wondering if this might be my missing C. pulchellus? Will find out when they open tomorrow.
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These corms were ordered as Crocus pulchellus, but the pale yellow throat and many branched, glabrous stigma over-topping the anthers key out as Crocus speciosus subsp. speciosus. Can anyone verify this ID please?
Thanks, M
This one undoubtedly is representative of Crocus speciosus group.
Janis
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Thanks, Janis.
M
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Matt, I don't know where you ordered your corms, but I have ordered hundreds of pulchellus in Holland - only 1% was true... :-[
Still sunshine in Neustadt and each day more crocus come out. This is the first year I have so many autumn crocus in my lawn. Many of them are seedlings that I scattered years ago, others were planted only this summer - I have to say many thanks to Dirk for that :D :D
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Some more beauties - not really special, but I still love them:
Crocus speciosus Albus
C. kotschyanus leucopharynx
C. pulchellus Zephyr
C. cambessedesii
C. cancellatus
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Some seedlings, flowering for the first time:
- looks like pulchellus x speciosus Albus, the throat isn't yellow like in speciosus
- a striped gilanicus - not sure if I have to worry about a virus.... ???
- pulchellus Zephyr seedlings in my lawn
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Matt, I don't know where you ordered your corms, but I have ordered hundreds of pulchellus in Holland - only 1% was true... :-[
Hi Thomas,
The order was from a very reputable UK source. I had ordered C. speciosus at the same time and the buds I posted in reply #3 (which I have labelled as C. speciosus)look as though they might be C. pulchellus. They're not open yet as we have miserable weather today. I suspect that either the supplier or, when potting them up, I got the labels mixed up. :-[
I nice lot of flowers you have out there. In my opinion all Crocus are special!
M
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Of course you're right - all crocus are special.
But some are more special ;D
Do you know if your UK supplier grows his plants himself?
Probably they were bought from Dutch wholesale dealer... let's wait until your speciosus are open.
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Good to see your crocuses looking so health and happy Thomas!
A few more from Norfolk below
Two contrasting forms of Corcus tournefortii
Two different forms of Crocus goulimyi
a very dark Crocus cartwrightianus seedling. Maybe it is a hybrid with the promiscuous Crocus thomasii?
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Some very nice crocus being shown.
Three more of mine
Crocus laevigatus two forms
Crocus pallasii from Turkey
Crocus serotinus
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Some in flower here now:
Crocus banaticus x 2
Crocus gilanicus
Crocus kotschyanus leucopharynx
Crocus thomasii
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Crocus speciosus 2 x
Crocus cancellatus subsp. mazziaricus
and Crocus vallicola
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gorgeous color for banaticus, waiting mine to flower it's getting too hot in the greenhouse.
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Very natural those crocusses in the garden Thomas, i like that.
Stunning bicolored form of Crocus goulimyi Tony! Is that one raised from seed?
Lovely Crocus thomasii and Crocus vallicola Wim.
Today 1 species in flower and 3 cv's.
Some new crocusses in flower today. 1 species and 3 cv's.
-->Crocus pallassi ssp. turcicus.
-->Crocus speciocus 'Artabir'
-->Crocus speciosus 'Cassiope'
-->Crocus pulchellus 'Zephyr'
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Thank you all for your pics
Crocus goulimyi seedling from dark form
Crocus goulimyi
Crocus kotschyanus, pallasii and speciosus x pulchellus "Netsuke"]
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Crocus tournefortii
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Crocus biflorus ssp. melantherus (an early collection in flower now) from another perspective!
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here in flower this sunday,
Crocus hadriaticus x sativus , F2 cross
`` mathewii `Dream Dancer`
`` pallasii
`` kotschyanus from Ziyaret Dag, Turkey
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here in flower this sunday,
Crocus hadriaticus x sativus , F2 cross
`` mathewii `Dream Dancer`
`` pallasii
`` kotschyanus from Ziyaret Dag, Turkey
With all those Crocus it looks like a Sunny day to Dirk.
Especially like that kotschyanus form , seems to have more stripes ?
'Dream Dancer ' , is Always stunning.
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Dirk, that Crocus hadriaticus x sativus F2 cross is stunning! I love the pink color in it!
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With all those Crocus it looks like a Sunny day to Dirk.
Especially like that kotschyanus form , seems to have more stripes ?
'Dream Dancer ' , is Always stunning.
Yes Kris, now here nearly one week seems already to generally the sun, optimum flower weather.
The Cr.kotschyanus has moved from seed (Pilous). He sees already a little bit differently than 'normal' kotschyanus.
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Dirk, that Crocus hadriaticus x sativus F2 cross is stunning! I love the pink color in it!
Ruben, the F2 from this cross is very variable, several forms in blue and few in white.
Only some have a brown throat, mixed the yellow from hadriaticus and blue from sativus.
Here a white form last autumn.
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Very nice form 2 Dirk. Really like those brownish throat!
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A first flower on Crocus mathewii. One of my favorites.
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Crocus wattiorum
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Wow!!!
Nice image of this stunning crocus Tony!
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Thank you all for your pics
Crocus speciosus dislike my lawn, but C. goulimyi like it.
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Great to see the profusion of crocuses in your wonderful garden Franz.
Here too many are confined to pots ... but I begin releasing them.
Crocus goulimyi leucanthus
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Meanwhile back at Pot Central ...
Crocus tournefortii x boryi
Crocus longiflorus
Crocus gilanicus - often makes flowers with fewer than 6 petals here. I suspect I keep it too dry in summer.
Crocus kotschyanus - pale form, almost white
Crocus thomasii
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Crocus cartwrightianus: A variable species ranging from white to quite dark forms.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5599/15271737870_1764be6389_o.jpg)
Crocus archibaldiorum: A recently described affiliate of speciosus, even more recently acquired from Janis.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2950/15458098552_2986313405_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3930/15271872497_78b738c706_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3934/15458447895_4a9343706a_o.jpg)
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Meanwhile back at Pot Central ...
Crocus tournefortii x boryi
Crocus longiflorus
Crocus gilanicus - often makes flowers with fewer than 6 petals here. I suspect I keep it too dry in summer.
Crocus kotschyanus - pale form, almost white
Crocus thomasii
Is your Crocus tournefortii x boryi hybrid wild collected or rised in garden? I lost mine wild hybrid from frost in winter a year ago. May be 1-2 small cormlets alive but very doubtfully. It was fertile and frost killed even seedlings.
Janis
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Crocus cartwrightianus: A variable species ranging from white to quite dark forms.
(https://farm6.staticflickr.com/5599/15271737870_1764be6389_o.jpg)
Crocus archibaldiorum: A recently described affiliate of speciosus, even more recently acquired from Janis.
(https://farm3.staticflickr.com/2950/15458098552_2986313405_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3930/15271872497_78b738c706_o.jpg)
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3934/15458447895_4a9343706a_o.jpg)
Excellent pictures of Crocus archibaldiorum! Thanks for posting them! Hope you like it. It is one of the best from speciosus group. Can compete only with one new which I intend to describe as Crocus armeniacum in nearest future. Another beauty is Crocus elegans. Of course everyone is beautiful.
Janis
Janis
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Is your Crocus tournefortii x boryi hybrid wild collected or rised in garden? I lost mine wild hybrid from frost in winter a year ago. May be 1-2 small cormlets alive but very doubtfully. It was fertile and frost killed even seedlings.
Janis
Raised from seed of cultivated plants. It's quite vigorous and also fertile. I keep most in pots but have a few in the garden .... still waiting for them to show.
Edit - they are appearing but somewhat eaten by snails :(
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Franz, your speciosus is standing very well !!
My own are often bended by the wind and rain, some even fall down only because they are to large.... >:(
Do you grow wild plants or are this trade plants?
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Beautiful pics Steve!
Flowering now:
1. Crocus puringhiorum and gilanicus
2. C. puringhiorum
3. Crucus nudiflorus
4. Crocus oreocreticus
5. Crocus niveus
Poul
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And a few more
1. speciosus xantholaimos
2 + 3. Crocus vallicola
Poul
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Thomas, this are trade plants.
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The very first Crocus flower of this season, in the ground that is. Crocus nudiflorus.
johnw - +17c and still finding dry soil a few inches down.
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Poul
a lovely pot of vallicola,a delight to see.
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Thank you Tony!
I like this species very much too.
Poul
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Some more out here:
1. Crocus cartwrightianus 'Michel' 'Marcel' - 'Michel' will be in flower in a few days :)
2. As above, closer - I like these flowers with a dark centre and the veining in this one is lovely
3. Crocus goulimyi leucanthus - just the faintest blush of colour in the outer segments
4. Crocus laevigatus SBL348 - the smallest, but full of character
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[attachimg=1]Some Pictures from a Sunny Day in the western part of Denmark. I hope that the attachment of the Pictures will succed.
The Crocus serotinus ssp serotinus is grown from seed and I could confirm the bulb this summer after the repotting.
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Jens, click on "modify" by your post and you will now see the code need to show a photo - which is {attachimg=1} - but in square brackets [
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Some more out here:
1. Crocus cartwrightianus 'Michel'
2. As above, closer - I like these flowers with a dark centre and the veining in this one is lovely
3. Crocus goulimyi leucanthus - just the faintest blush of colour in the outer segments
4. Crocus laevigatus SBL348 - the smallest, but full of character
You're having a good year Matt
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Very nice Crocus you show here guys , thanks for sharing.
1 & 2 - seedling from Crocus goulimyi (seed from the Crocus group - seeds collected Harakas ) Seeds where sown in 2011, but to late in the season so they germinate in 2012. Now two years later the first flowers.
3 & 4 - One of the best flowering C. goulimyi in our garden .
5- Another flowering C. goulimyi who grows or a long time in the garden.
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Todays highlights
Crocus cartwrightianus planted outside. A stray corm released, we'll see how it does long term.
The crocus frames approaching peak autumn display. Cooler and very windy today so I've had the covers on. Just as well, 30 mins after this we had a torrential downpour.
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Another few shots of Crocus goulimyi today.
johnw
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Some from the greenhouse today. Although I have phased down my Crocus collection after three difficult growing years I have retained all those I have grown from seed.
Crocus mathewii from 2008 Crocus group seed labelled "type form", sown September 2008 and flowering for the first time. Suffering from lack of light in it's position in the greenhouse.
C. speciosus ssp. xantholaimos, again from seed but no record made.
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.... and some more.
Crocus pulchellus from Crocus Group 2009 seed, sown October 2009
Crocus speciosus from seed kindly sent to me by Tony Willis in 2009 and sown in October 2009
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last lot.
Crocus kotschyanus HKEP 9204 from 2009 Crocus Group seed sown October 2009
C. serotinus ssp salzmannii from seed kindly sent to me by Rafa and sown September 2008
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here in flower,
Crocus asumaniae
`` caspius
`` nerimaniae
`` ligusticus, native form from Cassego, SE part of Liguria
`` sativus
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The autumn species are just flowering here.
Crocus cartwrightianus
Crocus tournefortii Soft white
Crocus ilgazensis x pulchellus ‘'FANTASY’'
Crocus goulimyi 'Mani White' in bud
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What a joy to see them all :D
From the natural way of growing this stunning goulimyi like in the garden from Franz to the so well grown wattiorum from Tony.And it never stop and Dirk and Yann, Dominique, David, John ..... What a thread ! :o
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Wonderful species and forms shown here...don't forget to pollinate (where are those paint brushes ;D ;D :P ) so you can send me some seeds next summer for the Crocus Group seedex!! :)
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Wonderful species and forms shown here...don't forget to pollinate (where are those paint brushes ;D ;D :P ) so you can send me some seeds next summer for the Crocus Group seedex!! :)
Hi Wim, I am so busy with my paint brush, that there is no time for photographing. Here the autumn has started with warm weather, so hopefully it results in lots of seeds.
Thank you all for these wonderful crocus pics!
Poul
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Yes paintbrush is ready ;D
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Hi Wim, I am so busy with my paint brush, that there is no time for photographing. Here the autumn has started with warm weather, so hopefully it results in lots of seeds.
Poul
Yes paintbrush is ready ;D
;D ;D ;D
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I will also use my paintbrush Wim ;D and i you need some pollen you can collect some.. ;)
Today the crocuses are flowering good.
Crocus boryii
Crocus ligusticus
Crocus speciosus 'Aitchinsonii'
Crocus mathewii
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and some more:
Crocus (speciosus x pulchellus) ibrahimii. Named by Ibrahim Sozen. I like this one very much because of the dark veins.
Crocus longiflorus from Malta
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Today the crocuses are flowering good.
Crocus mathewii
Ruben - all your flowers are lovely but the photo of the "twin" mathewii flowers makes my heart leap- how I love this flower. 8)
Crocus (speciosus x pulchellus) ibrahimii. Named by Ibrahim Sozen
C. ibrahimii - found by Ibrahim Sozen and named for Ibrahim by Janis. - Janis writes "A new superb finding by our Turkish friend Ibrahim Sozen after whom this new crocus is named. It is somewhat intermediate between C. speciosus and C. pulchellus, from Yildiz Dag in Turkey-in-Europe. In flower shape resembles C. speciosus, but has white anthers and a deep yellow throat like C. pulchellus. "
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and some more:
Crocus (speciosus x pulchellus) ibrahimii. Named by Ibrahim Sozen. I like this one very much because of the dark veins.
This is a gorgeous flower -as if painted by an artist. 8)
{ Janis says of this plant : A new superb finding by our Turkish friend Ibrahim Sozen after whom this new crocus is named. It is somewhat intermediate between C. speciosus and C. pulchellus, from Yildiz Dag in Turkey-in-Europe. In flower shape resembles C. speciosus, but has white anthers and a deep yellow throat like C. pulchellus. }
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Some more bursting out of their buds here:
1. Crocus goulimyi 'Mani White', which is actually a very soft, creamy colour
2. Crocus cartwrightianus CEH613
3. Another form of Crocus laevigatus, this time C. l. pumilus
4. Finally, Crocus cartwrightianus 'Michel', three flowers opening simultaneously, this one with an extra petal...
5. ...and this aberrant one with with a lot of extra flower parts.
My paint brush has been busy too!
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Thank you Maggi! I also love Crocus mathewii. Crocus ibrahimii is new to me but its indeed a gorgeous flower. :D
Matt, i like Crocus laevigatus pumilus. Is it a good grower for you?
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nice pitures ruben and Matt,
here some my garden this sunday:
Crocus hadriaticus x sativus F2 cross
`` laevigatus ssp.pumilus from Crete
`` ochroleucus
`` macedonicus from northern Greece
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and two selections from Crocus mathewii
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Crocus speciosus Oxonian
Crocus kotschyanus 'Lietuva'
Crocus kotschyanus var leucopharynx
Crocus goulimyi 'Mani White' now opened and brushed ;D
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Thx Dirk!
The first foto of crocus mathewii is stunning! A very good form.
I also love Crocus laevigatus ssp. pumilus , Matt also showed a picture. One for the wish list ;D
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Is this too pale to be mathewii 'Dream Dancer'
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Great plants, Ruben, Matt and Yann - Dirk what a great mathewii.... :o
Some autumn impressions from my garden:
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007 - Crocus salzmannii and tournefortii
005 - Crocus pallasii from Chios
015 - a small Crocus speciosus from Georgia
009 - C. speciosus x pulchellus from my garden
009 - C. speciosus Oxonian
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12+33 - Crocus ligusticus from Italy
004 - my 'special' bed with different C. pallasii, cancellatus, cambessedesii, speciosus from Crimea...
013 - C. speciosus Artabir - indeed the best speciosus form that I have, still standing after two days of hard rain....
017 - another speciosus x pulchellus hybrid, very large with pointed outer petals
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Thomas your crocuses look very natural in your garden - beautiful too :)
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Is this too pale to be mathewii 'Dream Dancer'
Mark, this is not a 'Dream Dancer'. The true have yellow anthers.
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Stunning pictures and crocuses Thomas! Indeed a very natural look.
What do you do with you're special bed, do you have it cover in summer? Do you place the pots in shade for summer rest? How for winter?
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Beautiful pictures Thomas and Udo just to mention two of you.
A few of mine
Crocus speciosus. I can't remember the cultivar name. Can anyone help?
Crocus longiflorus from Malta
Crocus speciosus xantholaimos
Crocus serotinus clusii Poseidon
Poul
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Thomas Crocus pallasii Chios form is stunning
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Hello at all!
Hello Thomas.
I hope you are well.
You have the most beautyful autumn- crocus- meadow I have ever seen!
I only have normal and white speciosus in my meadow.
Kind regards. daniel
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Thank you Maggi! I also love Crocus mathewii. Crocus ibrahimii is new to me but its indeed a gorgeous flower. :D
Matt, i like Crocus laevigatus pumilus. Is it a good grower for you?
Hi ruben,
Subsp. pumilus is a new one for me this year, but doing well so far. Other forms of C. laevigatus do very well here, so there's no reason why this one shouldn't do so as well. Both the bees and I have been busy pollinating, so if I find any seed off this plant next year I'd be happy to send them to you.
Matt
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Thanks Daniel - I have sown many seeds in my lawn over the years, you could also try it !
Thanks Yann - the Chios pallasii is new in my collection and I'm also very happy with it :D
Pehe, I think your speciosus is Aichinsonii, or at least what I have as Aitchinsonii..... 8)
Ruben, my special bed is protected by a lucent carport roof and placed near the housewall for additional warmth in winter, no shadow cover in summer. The corms are planted directly into the soil, no baskets! When the temperatures are very low in winter it is covered with firtree branches. Protected in this way many 'tender' corms have survived the hard winter 2012, while in other parts of the garden many 'hardy' plants died.
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Only one new plant in bloom to show to day, but what a plant - Crocus banaticus 'Snowdrift' - she's a corker!
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Hi Matt, its a very nice form of laevigatus. Some seeds would be great, we could Always swap. Today the first flower of Crocus laevigatus SBL 348 was open. Ist one of my favorite autumn (winter) flowering Crocuses.
Thanks for the explanation Thomas. I have also made a small 'alpine' house for the eastern runners (Alatavicus, korolkowi and michelsonii. When they are flowering i will show you some pictures.
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Some crocusses showed there flowers today.
Crocus laevigatus SBL 348 , i like the dark veins and the very nice style.
Crocus goulimyi, white form from Monemvasia Greece.
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Crocus robertianus, from Pindus Mts in Greece.
Crocus goulimyi, a bicoloured form from Greece.
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Crocus banaticus 'Snowdrift' , nice flowers but flowers low to the ground (for me).
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and some more:
Crocus (speciosus x pulchellus) ibrahimii. Named by Ibrahim Sozen. I like this one very much because of the dark veins.
Crocus longiflorus from Malta
Crocus ibrahimii - OK, but it is not hybrid! DNA are differenrt and no speciosus or pulchellus in vicinity. It is true species!
Janis
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Thx a lot Janis! I will chance my label!
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Thx a lot Janis! I will chance my label!
Easy to see why you might think this is a hybrid. I have very similar plants here but mine are definitely hybrids ... I raised them from my own seed.
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Easy to see why you might think this is a hybrid. I have very similar plants here but mine are definitely hybrids ... I raised them from my own seed.
When Ibrahim sent me the first corms of this crocus my first opinion was that it is hybrid, too. It was the reason why I visited Turkey in Europe. I drove along the all mountain ridge and everywhere found only Crocus ibrahimii and no one pulchellus or speciosus was seen there. The last pulchellus I saw just at Istambul (even inside city border), then was gap without crocuses and further started C. ibrahimi almost to Bulgarian border, so may be it could be found in adjacent Bulgaria, too.
Janis
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Thanks Janis for the clear explanation! Today the flower was open and WOW i love it!
Sun today :-d
Crocus ligusticus
Crocus pallasii ex HONAZ DAG (from crocus group)
Crocus ibrahimii
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Crocus robertianus : we had a discussion with some croconuts and they have a doubt this is the true crocus robertianus. Its a very interesting discussion so i post it here to hear what you're opinion. Please let me know.
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When Ibrahim sent me the first corms of this crocus my first opinion was that it is hybrid, too. It was the reason why I visited Turkey in Europe. I drove along the all mountain ridge and everywhere found only Crocus ibrahimii and no one pulchellus or speciosus was seen there. The last pulchellus I saw just at Istambul (even inside city border), then was gap without crocuses and further started C. ibrahimi almost to Bulgarian border, so may be it could be found in adjacent Bulgaria, too.
Janis
Does Ibrahim look in this area each season? I wonder if the hybrid might flower before/after the parents? In my few crocus travels I have noticed that flowering season can be very short.... indeed also true here in cultivation :-(
I remember when C goulimyi leucanthus was described that it was said not to grow with the blue flowered plants but I spoke to someone who had been to the locations another year and found blue flowered plants too.
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Some in flower in a bit of sun today
Crocus assumaniae
Crocus goulimyi two forms and 'Mani White'
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a few more
Crocus robertianus one of which is almost white. two views
Crocus cancellatus which grows with it
Crocus speciosus from Turkey Zigana Pass
Crocus wattiorum which opens too wide in bright sunlight.
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Formidable Crocus, Tony !
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Formidable Crocus, Tony !
thanks Luc,
a lot have spoilt in the past week with no sun,growing up and falling over and so it was nice to get a good day
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Tony
Great to see your Crocus are still thriving.
The robertianus you showed are very different from those that Ruben has shown. What do you think his might be - they are much more striped than any I saw in the wild and more than yours that look typical.
Arthur
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Does Ibrahim look in this area each season? I wonder if the hybrid might flower before/after the parents? In my few crocus travels I have noticed that flowering season can be very short.... indeed also true here in cultivation :-(
I remember when C goulimyi leucanthus was described that it was said not to grow with the blue flowered plants but I spoke to someone who had been to the locations another year and found blue flowered plants too.
Ibrahim's garden is just in region of this crocus and he is there every weekend. He found this crocus and it is reason why I named it just Crocus ibrahimii. He told me that he never found both possible parents on this ridge. So I have no doubt that this is true species. Regarding of seasonable changes in blooming time I observed such things by myself. When I was for the first time in Peloponess in one large locality I found thousands of Crocus melantherus but didn't saw any Crocus boryi, although there were plenty of C. boryi in some 10 km distance. Two years later I wanted to show this locality to my wife and revisited it - now there were plenty of C. boryi and no one melantherus, although melantherus we saw on other spots. But flowering season in nature is quite long - there are spots where you can find delayed flowers and some are more advanced.
Janis
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I was extremely busy last week and didn't visit Crocus greenhouse. Weather is very cold and wet. Yesterday I returned from Sweden (Gothenburg BG) and today checked plantings. Pity. Many crocus flowers came out and died without any opening. I missed a lot. So today I passed several hours cleaning pots from old flowers (picture #1). Tomorrow will continue this job. Died flowers must be removed as soon as possible otherwise they can get mould which can go down and kill corm, too. But some blooms I pictured, mostly in buds but Crocus cartwrightianus had open flowers. On pictures form named 'Purple Heart' and some seedlings of it.
Janis
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In fuill blooms but seen only in buds are various forms of Crocus melantherus.
Janis
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I suppose that it was last moment to catch at least some pictures of Crocus archibaldiorum.
Crocus nerimaniae in nature is mostly virus-infected. It was quite difficult to get seeds of it, but seedlings looks healthy. Today I took away last pot (I hope) with virused nerimaniae and hope to next generation seedlings now from healthy plants. Here you can see how many flowers can make healthy corm.
Blooming started Crocus Crocus pumilus from Crete. Here one of its forms.
And as last picture today - true Crocus speciosus 'Oxonian' - true now is great rarity. In Gothenburg BG they bought from Holland for planting around 10 thousand autumn blooming crocuses, between those were several bags labeled as Oxonian, but all turned mix of various forms with no one Oxonian between those. All bought as Crocus pulchellus turned speciosus and only C. pulchellus Albus was true to name.
Janis
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All very beautiful Janis, but that melantherus Gold is stunning.
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Here some flowers from this weekend .
Crocus pulchellus (Chios form) .
Crocus goulimyi .
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And offcourse my unknow soldier who I obtained as mathewii.
Doing very well outside !
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Tony
Great to see your Crocus are still thriving.
The robertianus you showed are very different from those that Ruben has shown. What do you think his might be - they are much more striped than any I saw in the wild and more than yours that look typical.
Arthur
Arthur
Not sure but I thought they might me pallasii. I know mine are correct and they have no stripes on them.
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Some truly beautiful crocus on display here!!!
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At last, crocus season has just arrived here :)
2 crocuses from JJA Seeds started to bloom today.
Crocus mathewii: JJA 347.908. Turkey, Antalya, SW of Elmalı. 1000m. Open hillsides in very stony terra rossa.
Crocus serotinus ssp. salzmannii: JJA 352.006. Spain, Segovia, El Espinar. 1350m.
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YT
Beautiful plants expertly grown :)
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YT
Beautiful plants expertly grown :)
My opinion exactly!
And thank you, once more Tatsuo, for posting to the Archibald pages as a record Greatly appreciated!
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Having this morning journeyed down to the greenhouse, and got wet through to my skin in one of the tumultuous showers that are hitting us today, I found a nice surprise. This came up in a pot of Galanthus reginae-olgae grown from seed kindly sent to me by Tony Willis and sown in September 2009. The snowdrops haven't flowered yet!
I'll not waste my ability to properly identify anything right so which Crocus species could it be please?
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Having this morning journeyed down to the greenhouse, and got wet through to my skin in one of the tumultuous showers that are hitting us today, I found a nice surprise. This came up in a pot of Galanthus reginae-olgae grown from seed kindly sent to me by Tony Willis and sown in September 2009. The snowdrops haven't flowered yet!
I'll not waste my ability to properly identify anything right so which Crocus species could it be please?
Crocus niveus I think.
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In flower today:
Crocus speciosus puringhiorum Ruksans nomen nudum = now Crocus puringiorum
Crocus cartwrightianus
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Crocus niveus I think.
Thanks Tony, now you've given me the pointer I can see it.
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Crocus robertianus : we had a discussion with some croconuts and they have a doubt this is the true crocus robertianus. Its a very interesting discussion so i post it here to hear what you're opinion. Please let me know.
Ruben, did you check the underground parts of the plant? If they look OK I don't see a reason
to doubt that it's true robertianus. The plants that I had, looked like the plants that Tony Willis
showed - but if you look carefully you will see some soft stripes on the left flower in Tony's photo.
And in the wild the flowers show incredible variation .....
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Thomas
All the specimens I have seen in the wild were like Tony Willis' plants - colour either White or Blue but no real evidence of stripes.
I agree the mystery will not be solved until we seethe corms.
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Very nice crocus Yt and Ruben!
Today there was a little sunshine after some very wet and dull days.
1. A view from the green house.
In the front row from the left: Crocus longiflorus, C. robertianus, C. tournefortii AH.0002
In the back: Crocus kotschyanus leucopharynx, Galanthus Reginae Olgae, Muscari aucheri 'Autumn Glory', Sternbergia lutea
2. Crocus longiflorus
3. Crocus robertianus
4. Crocus tournefortii AH.0002
5. Crocus tournefortii
Poul
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From my sand bed:
Crocus goulimyi and Galanthus Reginae Olgae
Poul
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Weather didn't improve. Cold and wet. Crocuses still stay closed. All the day passed removing old flowers and making notes. But some which I need for new species type herbariums I brought inside where flowers nicely opened and it was possible to press them.
Some surprises, too. Earlier I had hybrids between Crocus ilgazensis and pulchellus, now found others between seedlings of C. xantholaimos - again with pulchellus. But more surprisingly was finding of hybrids between seedlings of C. mathewii - with very dark flowers, without basal blotch. Still remain possibility that some ant replaced some seeds from box to box. Darkness don't allow to make better checking. Remain to hope for some sun in coming days. But few pictures I maid, too.
The first is type Crocus cancellatus from Syria - short neck of tunics, netting something fine. Originally was collected by Arnis Seisums before Civil War started there.
Another beauty originally collected by Arnis is Crocus tournefortii from Cyclades in Greece. Flowers of this species remain open in dark weather. 2 pictures
And as last today - Crocus hadriaticus PELOG-008 with very dark flower tube. Was found by my wife Guna in Pelloponess.
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Local crocus speciosus 'Goris', selected by me many years ago and the ones selected last year during the trip with Janis in town of Goris (South Armenia). There were many different colour forms and variations, some bloomed this year.
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Lovely variations, Zhirair.
I hope you are well?
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When I started growing crocuses many years ago, I obtained different species and varieties of spring and autumn blooming crocuses. In few years after testing many, I came to a conclusison that, in regards to autumn crocuses, I should stop in crocus speciosus as, to my opinion, it is the most beautiful and showy crocus for garden decoration puposes. So I put an aim to collect crocus speciosus different variations and its nice cultivars as well as to make selections from wild. Currently, I have most of the cv-s except few, which I hope to obtain in near future. It is the peak blooming in the country garden and I would like to show some.
Crocus speciosus 'Aino'
Crocus speciosus 'Oxonian'
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Thank you, Maggi. I am well. Took a holiday to plant autumn bulbs, spend most of the time in the country. There is a lot to do and I am bit concerned about the scope of the work. Just came back to th town for few days and wold like to share some photos in the forum.
Few comparison pictures of the cv-s 'Aino' (left) and 'Oxonian' (right). Very often 'Aino' is described as improved 'Oxonian', but frankly speaking, I don't understand what is improved. It is true, 'Aino' has a bit stronger tube, but in other aspects, in my opinion, 'Aino' can't compete with 'Oxonian' by beauty, sizes, intensity of colour and other decorative features. 'Oxonian' is special!!!
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Crocus speciosus 'Cassiope', has impressive large blooms
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Crocus speciosus 'Artabir', obtained from Augis Dambrauskas.
Has prominant vains, but it is not very large as Janis describes (see the comparison picture with 'Cassiope' on the left (last photo)). So having some doubts about its being true to name I acquired some corms of it from Janis this year to see how Janis' one looks like and compare it with Augis' one. 'Artabir' from Janais is not yet in bloom, but shows noses. So in few days it will be clear.
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Crocus speciosus 'Pollux'
One of my favourites, has delicate sky blue-lavender colour and very catchy long styles. By its style it somewhat resembles crocus speciosus 'Aitchinsonii' grown by Thomas Huber. So, I will kindly ask Thomas to carefully study it with his professional eye to reveal the differences.
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When we see these variations of C. speciosus shown together it is easy to understand your love of this crocus - indeed it is exceptionally beautiful.
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Crocus speciosus Albus
Crocus speciosus 'Cloudy Sky' (my selection, bi-colour, very large and vigorous, floriferous with strong tubes)
Crocus pulchellus 'Zephyr' (combines well with 'Cloudy Sky')
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comparison pictures ('Zephyr' and 'Cloudy Sky')
Zephyr seedlings (turned out crocus pulchellus Albus and Zephyr-like types inferior to 'Zephyr') and crocus kotschyanus in the background
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Some other crocuses
crocus niveus (blue form)
crocus serotinus salzmanii from Tony
crocus pallasii (Turkish form)
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An outstandig collection! Do not stop to Show us the Variation in C. speciosus!
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A nice bunch of crocus collection, Boyed :)
YT
Beautiful plants expertly grown :)
Thank you, art600 :)
My opinion exactly!
And thank you, once more Tatsuo, for posting to the Archibald pages as a record Greatly appreciated!
Thank you and that is of course my pleasure, Maggi ;)
Very nice crocus Yt and Ruben!
4. Crocus tournefortii AH.0002
Poul
Thank you Poul. Your paler coloured tournefortii looks nice, too :D
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Crocus hadriaticus: JJA 345.620. No data. (From various forms from S Greece.)
It's the first flower from seed :)
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Thank you, Herbet and Yamanaka.
There are a lot to open, will photograph and show in couple of days, again when I am back from the country.
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Crocus speciosus 'Pollux'
One of my favourites, has delicate sky blue-lavender colour and very catchy long styles. By its style it somewhat resembles crocus speciosus 'Aitchinsonii' grown by Thomas Huber. So, I will kindly ask Thomas to carefully study it with his professional eye to reveal the differences.
Hi Zhirair.
A really lovely collection of Crocus speciosus you have. Like you I also find this species among the best in autumn !
The plant that I have here as Aichinsonii is just coming into flower while Oxonian and Aino - which are flowering now with your Poolux - are long over. Furthermore my plants seem to have a brighter flowerbase, as far as I can judge from your photo of Pollux, so I don't think they are the same, even if the style looks the same... don't you have 'my' Aichinsonii anymore - I could send you some corms for comparision if you want.
I'm not sure if anybody can judge these old speciosus cultivars as true or not - I have received so many named cultivars from different sources and seldom they looked alike. Old photos or paintings from the original plants (Artabir registered in 1896, Aichinsonii in 1891!) I have never seen and even Johann van Scheepen from the KAVB doesn't have reliable material for comparision when we discussed about speciosus cultivars some years ago. I guess that only Oxonian (1945 registered) is true.
Meanwhile I simply enjoy the good forms of these wonderful plants that I have obtained and selected - no matter what their name is. Especially your selections do make a very good show :o but from your photos Cassiope and Aino do look very alike....
Some years ago I found a plant with short but very strong flower tubes and dark veined petals. The tubes still stand strong when the flower is already withered.... ! I don't know what it is, but this plant must have been in cultivation in Holland from where I received it... Together with Artabir from Augis and Oxonian this is one of my favourites.
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Hello to all crocus -friends!
Zhirair - a very nice collection of speciosus!
I have problems to see the difference at my speciosus.
Here photos of Cr. serotinos ssp. salzmannii.
I hope they are real.
(http://666kb.com/i/csqhrml9uom54g35e.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/csqhs87a5avk413hu.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/csqhs3p2dbkb3zz76.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/csqht10yrhl0ayos2.jpg)
.. and Cr.speciosus `Aitchinsonii` (?)
(http://666kb.com/i/csqhwuluhbjwa2k1e.jpg)
Kind regards- Daniel
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A few more coming out here, despite the dull weather:
Crocus cartwrightianus 'Halloween' - a couple of weeks early and rather similar to 'Marcel' (reply #43), both being selections from CEH613
Crocus ligusticus - a different form to the one I showed before
Crocus mathewii HKEP 9291 - just for Maggi :-*
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Hello to all crocus -friends!
Zhirair - a very nice collection of speciosus!
I have problems to see the difference at my speciosus.
Here photos of Cr. serotinos ssp. salzmannii.
I hope they are real.
(http://666kb.com/i/csqhrml9uom54g35e.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/csqhs87a5avk413hu.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/csqhs3p2dbkb3zz76.jpg)
(http://666kb.com/i/csqht10yrhl0ayos2.jpg)
.. and Cr.speciosus `Aitchinsonii` (?)
(http://666kb.com/i/csqhwuluhbjwa2k1e.jpg)
Kind regards- Daniel
Hi Daniel,
your salzmannii is also a Crocus speciosus.
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Those "salzmannii" of course is speciosus.
Regarding speciosus cultivars, at present I'm certain only about 3 of old names
OXONIAN - comparatively later bloomer with deep purple flower tube. No one other is so deep coloured with such flower tube.
ALBUS - the single albino in general cultivation. Although there were some other white's (by B. Mathew monograph) really only Albus were on trade and that you can't mix with others.
ARTABIR - I suppose that stock grown by me is correct, although there are other different stocks reported under this name, too.
My cultivars were obtained more than 40 years ago and kept in my collection quite long, up to shortening of collection when I left with me only Artabir as one of best by my opinion.
My collection of speciosus cultivars was built up in this almost ancient time when bulbs were sold by grower of them. Mine came from 2 sources - former Van Tubergen when it was guided by Hoog's family and another collection I got from Institute of Ornamental Horticulture in Pruhonice (former Czechoslovakia). Comparing both I found that cultivars from both sources were identical. Now business in Holland is going in different way. Growers are not selling their bulbs to individual customers but are sold in bulk to resellers. So direct line between grower and buyer was broken. Reseller don't feel responsibility for correctness of name. Once I had amazing conversation with supplier of bulbs (reseller) - he asked me - you got autumn blooming crocus - where is the problem?
Another case was when seller wondered - the tulip which you planted had red flowers as you ordered - where is the problem?
As I wrote few days ago - I just returned from Gothenburg Botanical garden. They bought in Holland huge amount of various Crocus speciosus and pulchellus cultivars and now there blooms complete mix. As I wrote - only puchellus albus was true to name. By Dutch seller - no problems, all bloomed in autumn, so everything is OK. It is reason why nowadays you can't trust more to names of older cultivars. Only small nurseries offering own raised cultivars and selling directly to individuals still keeps responsibility for correctness of names. Of course - mistakes can happen. Mice can replace corm from box to box, human factor can't be 100% avoided. With me mistakes sometimes happens, too. But they are not in masses. And I'm replacing material if such things occasionally happens.
But I'm not more buying material from Holland. Once I had horrible story which broke my inland business in Latvia. I bought in Holland 6 boxes (1800 bulbs) of new double flowering lily variety. The company sold me ordinary lily of old variety, only on top of real label fixed wrong with name of ordered cultivar. I sold those bulbs. In result number of my Latvian customers from more than 1000 dropped to 300. I lost my name between lily growers of Latvia and I stopped my lily business. It was last time when I reselled Dutch bulbs. Now my wife are guiding inland business. We never more make direct sells of imported bulbs but are growing them at least one year before offering. Results are horrible, sometimes only 50 % are true to name. Mixes, viruses are very common.
Janis
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Hello Dirk and Janis- I feared it!
>:( >:( >:( >:( >:(
Most autumn- crocusses in trade are speciosus.
Nice flowers- but for collectors disappointing!!!
Most ochroleucus are not true, also speciosus varieties and pulchellus.
I will never buy at "normal" (Internet-)stores anymore!!!
Pity for money so far!!!
The first special autumn crocus- bulb will bloom next days.
And its from Dirk. :-)
I look forward.
Daniel
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More of the same here in California - The Dutch bulbs, many times, are not true to name. >:(
All the autumn blooming crocus I have brought recently have been C speciosus. It doesn't matter what the label states.
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More of the same here in California - The Dutch bulbs, many times, are not true to name. >:(
All the autumn blooming crocus I have brought recently have been C speciosus. It doesn't matter what the label states.
I only can repeat: you got autumn blooming crocus - where is the problem? Ha-ha-ha, if not so painfull for both pocket and collection...
KJanis
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Hi Zhirair.
A really lovely collection of Crocus speciosus you have. Like you I also find this species among the best in autumn !
The plant that I have here as Aichinsonii is just coming into flower while Oxonian and Aino - which are flowering now with your Poolux - are long over. Furthermore my plants seem to have a brighter flowerbase, as far as I can judge from your photo of Pollux, so I don't think they are the same, even if the style looks the same... don't you have 'my' Aichinsonii anymore - I could send you some corms for comparision if you want.
I'm not sure if anybody can judge these old speciosus cultivars as true or not - I have received so many named cultivars from different sources and seldom they looked alike. Old photos or paintings from the original plants (Artabir registered in 1896, Aichinsonii in 1891!) I have never seen and even Johann van Scheepen from the KAVB doesn't have reliable material for comparision when we discussed about speciosus cultivars some years ago. I guess that only Oxonian (1945 registered) is true.
Meanwhile I simply enjoy the good forms of these wonderful plants that I have obtained and selected - no matter what their name is. Especially your selections do make a very good show :o but from your photos Cassiope and Aino do look very alike....
Some years ago I found a plant with short but very strong flower tubes and dark veined petals. The tubes still stand strong when the flower is already withered.... ! I don't know what it is, but this plant must have been in cultivation in Holland from where I received it... Together with Artabir from Augis and Oxonian this is one of my favourites.
Thomas, thanks for your comments. My 'Pollux' is usually a late bloomer, but this year it surprisingly early. Actually autumn crocuses are misterious. The same varety can be early or late depending on the spot it is planted, or depending a year. No, I do not have your 'Aitchinsonii', but would like to have it very much, as it appeals to me a lot. So will be pleased for few corm, and maybe I can send you anything from my collection.
Your dark vained speciosus look quite pretty. I remember some years ago you also showed another your selection, a pale speciosus, that you named after your daugher.
It is true, nowadays it is very difficult to judge about Duct old cultivars being true or not; apart from phototsthere is even no detailed descriptions about them. My 'Aino' and 'Cassiope' are way too different. The reason you could have noticed the difference could be small pictures. I can't post alrge pics, as most of you do. The system requires 200 kb max size, and when I resize my photos to that size they become very small. My 'Aino' has average sizes, darker coulour, naroower petal, while 'Cassiope' is paler, with wide petals and is considreably large.
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Janis, thank you for your detailed report - will be interesting to see what Zhirair will find out about 'your' Artabir when its flowering in his garden. And once again I think I'm doing right - not to collect speciosus for 'names' in future but only for 'beautiful flowers' ;D
Zhirair, of course it's difficult to judge true or not only from small photos - you have much better chance to do that in your garden.
Regarding a swap I will contact you privately.
At the end some photos of Crocus speciosus 'Celine' that I selected many years ago for its 3 beautiful soft stripes. It didn't flower for me in the last years because most corms died in 2012, but I found some surviving only yesterday :D
Anne - if you read this: Do you still have 'Celine' in your collection?
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Just found this photo made two weeks ago from my special strong and dark speciosus form.
You can see how the stems 'struggle' to fall down although the flower is already withered.
And you can see the dark blue colouring of the new flowers just coming out...
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Nice flowers...OK.
But if I go to restaurant and order a beef steak I don't want to have a chicken cutlet - even if both tastes good.
When I buy pulchellus I want pulchellus and when I buy ochroleucus I want them.
Daniel
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Nice flowers...OK.
But if I go to restaurant and order a beef steak I don't want to have a chicken cutlet - even if both tastes good.
When I buy pulchellus I want pulchellus and when I buy ochroleucus I want them.
Daniel
I don't think anyone will contradict you here, Daniel !!
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Yes,
More agreement - when I buy C. cartwrightianus, I want C. cartwrightianus not speciosus.
Needless to say, I've complained to the local nursery (not that it will do any good) but also I will not buy bulbs from the large commercial suppliers. Even the larger bulb growers in the NW USA are own or controlled by the Dutch. Seems like a monopoly to me. And also an opportunity for the small grower. After all microsoft had a monopoly on PC operating systems - there product was so lousy it was one of the reasons that Apple computer was able to become what it is today (as I use my Apple computer). I don't think that the Dutch will go way (they seem to control much of the cut flower trade too), but we gardeners can buy from small, high quality growers.
Back to plants... Thanks everyone for all the photos and discussion - all the autumn crocus are so nice! as I enjoy my C. speciosus.
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Well, it's true, the Dutch horticulture trade is HUGE- and there will be cases when sellers are only interested in bulk sales of "autumn crocus" or such - but it sounds here like "the Dutch" are ALL being criticised - and that is not fair, I think.
If we learn anything from this is it should be that it is often a good idea to support small growers - and yet, I know even they can make mistakes.
It is rather offensive, though, to make statements which criticise a whole nation, please don't do that.
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Can I ask what is the difference between C. speciosus with pale orange style and dark orange style?
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In flower today, a white form of Crocus oreocreticus in 23 degrees today!! :o
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I've never seen a white form of oreocreticus before? Can this be correct? Who can ID this plant please.
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Would we not expect the style to be darker, and longer for C. oreocreticus?
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Well, it's true, the Dutch horticulture trade is HUGE- and there will be cases when sellers are only interested in bulk sales of "autumn crocus" or such - but it sounds here like "the Dutch" are ALL being criticised - and that is not fair, I think.
If we learn anything from this is it should be that it is often a good idea to support small growers - and yet, I know even they can make mistakes.
It is rather offensive, though, to make statements which criticise a whole nation, please don't do that.
You're so right Maggi - I'm sorry if my words sound like all Dutch people were bad. Of course we have Cees and Eric Breed from who I ordered many wonderful AND TRUE Crocus........
Can I ask what is the difference between C. speciosus with pale orange style and dark orange style?
Really easy Mark - speciosus with pale orange style have a PALE orange style
and the ones with dark orange style have a DARK orange style ;D
Maybe you should post a photo.... 8)
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I've never seen a white form of oreocreticus before? Can this be correct? Who can ID this plant please.
I thought it could be hadriaticus - but then I noticed, that the leaves are not present at flowering time which would point for oreocreticus, but like Maggi I think they style doesn't fit...... no idea.
Ruben, we need a photo of the corm tunic !
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Thomas, Maggi,
On the first picture you can see in the left corner the leaves emerge. So i think hadriaticus could be correct!
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Yesterday we had sun, but I was away with my wife in far corner of Latvia with publishing house for presentation of last book written by my wife "Garden Magic'. So no crocuses were seen. Today again is cold and cloudy, so only few flowers opened more or less.
Here two pictures - both from same pot where was planted seedlings of Crocus banaticus 'Snowdrift'. As you can see most is blue and only one white. Amazingly - I have 4-5 pots of those seedlings and in each pot blooms one white and others are blue. The white's closely resemble mother plant - Snowdrift.
Then ochroleucus from Israel. For this species it was too cool to open.
And as last - two forms of Crocus tournefortii - the first from Isle of Skiros, the second was kindly sent to me by Rick (where you disappear from Forum, Rik?) few years ago. Different are throat colour.
Janis
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Here one of Crocus cartwrightianus forms ( P-9430)
Then two forms of Crocus ligusticus from N Italy kindly sent to me by Dirk
Follows partly open Crocus melantherus GOLD - with age yellow colour fades
and as last true Crocus robertianus from near Varnakovo in Greece. As you can see one is almost white. Other albinos this season have slightly bluish shade but form with tricolored flowers (as in Crocus sublimis Tricolor) didn't open sufficiently for picturing.
Next week are offered snowing and dropping of temperature to minus 5 C. We still must to replant aroids and Regelia irises.
Janis
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Some more this evening:
Crocus hadriaticus seedling selected and named by me as Purple Ace
Crocus ibrahimii from speciosus group - true species and not a hybrid as some of you suppose (confirmed by DNA, too)
Crocus melantherus PELO-028 dark I showed before, too, but here with partly open flowers
Today opened flowers of Crocus nerimaniae but they so long were in tight buds that now are not of best shape
And as last - one of the very best Crocus speciosus cultivars selected by my Lithuanian friend Leonid Bondarenko - Crocus speciosus Blue Web
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Here some seedlings of Crocus assumaniae - most likely hybrids with closely related, but genetically different Crocus mathewii
Then Crocus damascenus from Kubbe gec. in Turkey
And last in this entry - another from speciosus like Crocuses - Crocus hellenicus from NW Greece
Janis
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And finally last for today
The first is Crocus macedonicus - superficially similar to C. pallasii but distant by DNA - Crocus macedonicus, easy separable by its fewer leaves and very long bristly neck of corm tunics
And after that several forms of Crocus pllasii from Chios Island, Greece, collected at several spots during common trip with Kees Jan.
The last of "pallasii" is from vil. Uskup im Turkey
Janis
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Crocus mathewii Dream Dancer.
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Crocus robertianus
Crocus goulimyi
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Crocus mathewii Dream Dancer.
Perfection - great 'background'. Still trying to work out if you're growing it out in the open .... or just using authentic top dressing!
Here's one for you
Crocus goulimyi MELJ 96-52 a superb and unusual form.
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Perfection - great 'background'. Still trying to work out if you're growing it out in the open .... or just using authentic top dressing!
Here's one for you
Crocus goulimyi MELJ 96-52 a superb and unusual form.
Haha Tony, growing in a pot, background due to excellent guidance from Olga Bondareva!
Glad you like the C.goulimyi....now given the name Agia Sofia
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A few common ones from me
Crocus kotschyanus
Crocus kotschyanus leucopharynx
Two forms of Crocus speciosus - the dark one flowered in late September and the paler one has just finished flowering
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In flower today, a white form of Crocus oreocreticus in 23 degrees today!! :o
This white flowered plant appeared in a pot of seedlings from oreocreticus. I suspect hybrid genes .....
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Crocus pulchellus continues to take over my garden. The first flower was open on September 2nd and there are still flowers coming. They all originate from a few seeds or small corms thrown out with old potting compost and are spread around by ants. A few are very pale and some a good blue with most in between, some with pointed petals and some rounded.
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Crocus oreocreticus variations.
Some I have been growing for 15 years, others are seedlings. You can decode the age from the file name.
I am finding the impact of genetic research on naming quite a challenge. Recent exchanges regarding Crocus ibrahimii, a genetically good species yet with the superficial appearance of a hybrid between speciosus and pulchellus, have highlighted this. The many new species described from genetic variants of Crocus speciosus senso latu and Crocus pallasii s.l. are also problematic for me. As for the complex tangle that was Crocus biflorus s.l. ...... :-\
I have no quarrel with Janis on this subject. We have the greatest crocus expert here to explain these things to us and illustrate the variations with wonderful pictures. A fantastic resource! Long may it continue.
My problem: What happens when we grow these plants in our collections / gardens?
What happens here is that closely related species interbreed. Increase by seed is perhaps the only way to increase the distribution of these plants in cultivation but to get pure seed you must be very careful to keep likely partners apart! An impossible challenge for me, an time-challenged amateur!
So here is Crocus oreocreticus - some may be chaste and pure ... others are not!
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Variation in Crocus longiflorus - not promiscuous with other taxa here.
The dark form is 'ex Malta' by several generations.
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Well, it's true, the Dutch horticulture trade is HUGE- and there will be cases when sellers are only interested in bulk sales of "autumn crocus" or such - but it sounds here like "the Dutch" are ALL being criticised - and that is not fair, I think.
If we learn anything from this is it should be that it is often a good idea to support small growers - and yet, I know even they can make mistakes.
It is rather offensive, though, to make statements which criticise a whole nation, please don't do that.
Agreed! Although I'm sure no-one here intended to offend anyone else in person.
I'd prefer to say that the huge, international bulb business has become disconnected from the specialist growers who can keep stock pure .... and hopefully healthy. Of course the big business does offer economies of scale so bringing bulbs to market cheaply. For certainty of name and purity of stock we should seek the little man and perhaps expect to pay a little more.
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Crocus mathewii Dream Dancer.
Lovely plant in a lovely setting Melvyn.
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The dark form is 'ex Malta' by several generations.
Very nice Tony !
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Here in flower today : Crocus veneris . (also with a pollinator ...)
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Agreed! Although I'm sure no-one here intended to offend anyone else in person.
I'd prefer to say that the huge, international bulb business has become disconnected from the specialist growers who can keep stock pure .... and hopefully healthy. Of course the big business does offer economies of scale so bringing bulbs to market cheaply. For certainty of name and purity of stock we should seek the little man and perhaps expect to pay a little more.
Tony,
Thank you for the comments. I know that I had no intention of offending anyone, especially personally.
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Janis , you lament the disappearance and authenticity of some older cultivars of Crocus speciosus . I am fairly certain that my stock ofC. speciosus 'Aitchisonii' is true to name . I received it in 1961 from Wilhelm Schacht , Munich Botanic Garden .
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Janis , you lament the disappearance and authenticity of some older cultivars of Crocus speciosus . I am fairly certain that my stock ofC. speciosus 'Aitchisonii' is true to name . I received it in 1961 from Wilhelm Schacht , Munich Botanic Garden .
Otto,
Will kindly ask you to show some photos of your crocus speciosus 'Aitchinsonii'. So we can compare with the ones grown by Thomas.
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Zhirair , unfortunately I do not have a photo of it , so have to wait till it flowers here next April -our autumn .
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Tony G, very nice Crocus oreocreticus and longiflorus, but also de Cr.veneris of Kris.
Now here is Crocus hyemalis in blossom. Stands yet outside, however, is allowed in winter in the greenhouse ;D
Also Crocus caspius
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Here in flower today : Crocus veneris . (also with a pollinator ...)
Oh! Such an extravagantly branched style! 8)
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Crocus boryi reaches its flowering peak.
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1. Crocus laevigatus CEH612 is out here, a full 7 weeks ahead of last year!
2&3. Crocus longiflorus - does anyone else think these are virused? Not sure about the patchy colour and the petals seem to be a bit out of shape ???
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Crocus pulchellus continues to take over my garden.
What a nice plant to have as a 'weed'!
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Crocus ochroleucus from Libanon in flower today!
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What a nice plant to have as a 'weed'!
Trust me, Matt - Roma has quite few of these very high quality "weeds" -lucky woman!
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What a nice plant to have as a 'weed'!
I like the flowers but the leaves can be a nuisance. It also makes it difficult to find places to plant other crocuses where they will not be mixed up with pulchellus.
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2&3. Crocus longiflorus - does anyone else think these are virused? Not sure about the patchy colour and the petals seem to be a bit out of shape ???
Could be virus. More than 50% chance. Old flowers sometimes go mis-shapen before collapse but the uneven colour marking is more of a concern. Are they all like it? I'd probably quarantine it away from other bulbs and see what happens next season - save and plant any seed that is set. Any doubts next year and it's curtains! Others would probably say 'curtains' right now :(
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Roma - Wonder if your pulchellas ever set seed? We have tried to get speciosus going on several ocassions (Janis says to plant very deeply), it's not that winter-hardy but worse prone to flopping.
Here's a picture we took on Saturday at a friend's garden in Sackville, NB. He found it on the beach and set it up the night before for his wife's birthday.
johnw
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Could be virus. More than 50% chance. Old flowers sometimes go mis-shapen before collapse but the uneven colour marking is more of a concern. Are they all like it? I'd probably quarantine it away from other bulbs and see what happens next season - save and plant any seed that is set. Any doubts next year and it's curtains! Others would probably say 'curtains' right now :(
Thanks Tony,
All flowers are the same, even newly opened ones. My gut feeling was to isolate and pollinate it, harvest the seeds then ditch it. Don't want to take any chances of passing anything on to the rest of my plants but it would be good to recoup something if I can get seed. Cheers.
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I passed very dark but warm day. Yesterday we had only +4 C, today +14 but at Thursday supposed minus 10. Many crocuses still not started blooming. Surprisingly, but regardless of darkness today succeed to picture Crocus macedonicus. Two pictures of it attached here. Another one I posted something earlier.
Janis
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John, Crocus pulchellus sets loads of seed which the ants spread all over the garden. Crocuses are impossible to dead head ;D
I think I still have some seed. Pm me with your address if you would like some.
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Some seedlings of Crocus assumaniae clearly showing their hybrid origin - most likely with C. mathewii, may be some other, too. All grown up from open pollinated seeds of C. assumaniae.
Janis
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Janis , you lament the disappearance and authenticity of some older cultivars of Crocus speciosus . I am fairly certain that my stock of. speciosus 'Aitchisonii' is true to name . I received it in 1961 from Wilhelm Schacht , Munich Botanic Garden .
Otto, I suppose that yours most likely is true because then commerce in Dutch bulb trade not overcome correctness and honest attitude to customer. Growers felt responsibility about plants sold by them. Then famous names such as Van Tubergen were not sold to businessman's who thought only about surplus income. Of course I estimate Dutch growers, but well knowing some underground of nowadays... Sorry...
Janis
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Tony, fantastic pictures of longiflorus. My stocks just started blooming and there are all types similar to your pictures. I like this species very much.
Kris - excellent pictures of C. veneris. Mine still not started blooming. Afraid what will happens with them as after tomorrow is offered minus 10 C. Today planted aroids, still left few Regelia irises and Juno, must to hurry tomorrow.
Dirk - your hyemalis is fantastic. Pity, mine not flower yet. Hope cold will not be too long and I will see flowers.
Janis
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Mmmmm, it's Wednesday - there's a new Bulb Log online - Bulb Log43: http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Oct221413980514BULB_LOG_4314.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2014Oct221413980514BULB_LOG_4314.pdf) … crocus feature quite a lot this week -now there's a surprise! ::) :)
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Excellent log, Maggi and Ian!
Here after long period of clouds and fog and rain finally shines sun, although temperature outside is cold - slightly below zero and very windy. In greenhouse was nice microclimate and crocuses opened flowers. So I made a lot of pictures and few can to show you.
At first Crocus banaticus Snowdrift. Now looks fantastic regardless of quite small corms planted after not the best season.
Then Crocus goulimyi - it is in full flowers - at first HARLEQUIN selected by John Fielding. Liga found very similar but later blooming form which we named NEW HARLEQUIN.
AGIA SOPHIA only today opened for the first time.
As always marvellous is Crocus ibrahimi.
And as last - Crocus pumilus from Crete - better than ever before.
Janis
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Some more pictures from today:
Crocus laevigatus PELO-013 - collected by me and Liga in Pelloponess during our first visit to Greece
Crocus melantherus BM-8033 originally from Brian Mathew - another autumn beauty from Pelloponess
Crocus lycius certainly must be regarded as independent species, it is so special looking, has very bordered area. Really I don't understand why Brian described it as subsp. of cancellatus
Crocus nerimaniae belongs to one of two Turkish autumn bloomers from biflorus group.
The second is Crocus wattiorum - very differently looking and both are easy separable.
Janis
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In this entry some of Crocus speciosus group
First two are Crocus hellenicus from Greece - N form from Monodendri and S form from Varnakovo
Crocus sakariensis - Turkish, lowland species
Crocus xantholaimos - compare style position with previous picture
Typical Crocus speciosus comes from Georgian and Armenian woodlands. It is light shade lover.
Janis
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wonderful photos Janis, sakariensis is on my next wishlist.
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Autumn crocuses are not very rich in colour variability - dominates blue-lilac and white shades, but variability is fantastic. Today three entries, not all flowers are of best shape - due long bad weather and really cold outside. But greenhouse is full of fantastic aroma.
At first Crocus robertianus - three different forms
Crocus robertianus Alba - selected from wild material
Crocus robertianus Tricolored - flowers a little old, but shows colour pattern - it confirms idea expressed by B. Mathew that robertianus is autumn blooming mutation of C. sublimis (by Brian - Crocus sieberi subsp.)
Crocus robertianus light blue form from near Varnakovo Monastery
Then excellent flower form of Crocus macedonicus
And as last in this entry new crocus species close to Crocus mazziaricus at first seen by my wife during our common trip to Peloponess.
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Most likely cv. Cloudy Sky belongs to another newcomer - Crocus "armeniacum" - now known as Crocus armeniensis -
and the same I can tell about cv. Vahagni - but those must be checked more carefully
Follows two pictures of new species close to C. assumaniae (confirmed by DNA)
And last in this entry one of best C. pallasii forms from near Labranda (population in nature completely destroyed by wild boars)
Note from Janis Ruksans re C. armeniensis: : At first I named it as C. armeniacum and still on my picture files they has such label, but ending was incorrect assording Latin grammar, so it weas changed. Thanks to Rafael Govaert (Kew) who corrected my mistake.
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And last entry today with
Crocus goulimyi leucanthus - really I can't separate it from typical goulimyi, especially from white forms of last. I would prefer to regard them as colour variation only.
My autumn favourite - Crocus longiflorus from Nebrodi range in Italy
And as last - two forms of Crocus mathewii
cv. Brian Mathew (a little old flower)
and cv. Dream Dancer
Janis
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Lovely to see them all Janis . Thanks for sharing once again. That C. macedonicus is indeed an excellent form.
Here it was high summer until last sunday. Now temperature is a bit at a normal level again with day temperatures from around 14 degrees .
On saturday night 14 degrees was stil the night temperature .....This means that it generally was a bit to warm for my autumn crocus in my hot garden......Some noses where in progress before this very hot period but I have the impression that they not like the very hot weather afterwards ?
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Same here Kris, buds are emerging but looks like there're stopped.
All my banaticus stems are floppy, even in the garden. weather was too hot.
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Same here Kris, buds are emerging but looks like there're stopped.
All my banaticus stems are floppy, even in the garden. weather was too hot.
Sad to here Yann , but good that you confirm .So I am more certain that I took the right conclusions. I can imagine that your situation is more or less the same as where I live .
We are looking so much forward to this season of the autumn flowering Crocus and so it is rather sad that this happens. But there is no ideal year for gardeners .......And for sure some other plants like this hot weather .
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Narcissus ;D
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Crocus laevigatus forms are now coming to their best flowering here. Almost all I currently grow are raised from home produced seed. Much evidence of intraspecific hybrids .... all very pretty but a lost cause sorting them out. Every so often a really nice and different one appears.
Final shot is Crocus cartwrightianus 2nd or 3rd or 4th? generation from the collection that has given rise to plants known as 'Purple Heart'
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Crocus laevigatus forms are now coming to their best flowering here. Almost all I currently grow are raised from home produced seed. Much evidence of intraspecific hybrids .... all very pretty but a lost cause sorting them out. Every so often a really nice and different one appears.
Final shot is Crocus cartwrightianus 2nd or 3rd or 4th? generation from the collection that has given rise to plants known as 'Purple Heart'
I have similar blue laevigatus (something lighter) from wild collection, too. Don't think that it is hybrid.
Janis
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I have similar blue laevigatus (something lighter) from wild collection, too. Don't think that it is hybrid.
Janis
Thank you Janis. In the same pot is the much darker form with strong purple marking outside so they are not uniform. What I meant was that the different forms of Crocus laevigatus appear to cross with each other and resulting seedlings are rarely uniform, varying from the seed parent. I have not yet identified any laevigatus as a hybrid with different species .... yet!
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Nice flowers Janis and Tony,
here after two days with rain: Crocus cartwrightianus.
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Tony, I misunderstood you. Of course - various forms interbred easily. As you, I never observed hybrids of laevigatus with other species.
Today again is sunny. We passed coldest night ever recorded at that date, but in my polytunnels temperature dropped only to minus 3.5 C. Not many new flowers came up. So pictures can repeat those made earlier, but those all are from today.
At first Crocus banaticus Snowdrift. So marvellous, that I couldn't resist to picture again.
Then two gatherings of Crocus laevigatus maid during my first Peloponnesus trip
and as last - one more picture of Crocus ligusticus (former C. medius) got from Dirk.
Janis
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Now Crocus melantherus collected in same trip
Better picture of Crocus ochroleucus Boumana, Israel but again I visited greenhouse too late, when flowers started to close - I was busy with planting of last Regelia irises and packing of luggage for coming trip.
Then two pictures of Cretan Crocus pumilus
Janis
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And last pictures from today
Crocus wattiorum - blooming not so abundantly as in previous season
Then one more picture of Crocus species nova close to assumaniae, but growing far to west from locus classicus
As last is one more specimen of virus infected Crocus nerimaniae. Corm was collected this spring - I supposed that it is caricus, but in pot one bloomed now - and as most of wild plants turned infected. Fortunately seedlings come up healthy.
Janis
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Stunning pictures Janis, dirk and Tony!
Today I got flowers for the first time on a cross between Crocus hadriaticus and ? (unknown).
I like the dark yellow throat (from hadriaticus) and the dark purple tube.
Also a flower on Crocus ligusticus 'Millessimo' (virusfree) from Dirk.
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A good group of crocus cartwrightianus 'Albus'
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Stunning pictures Janis, dirk and Tony!
Today I got flowers for the first time on a cross between Crocus hadriaticus and ? (unknown).
I like the dark yellow throat (from hadriaticus) and the dark purple tube.
Also a flower on Crocus ligusticus 'Millessimo' (virusfree) from Dirk.
First time when I can see healthy (not virus infected) C. ligusticus Millesimo! Greetings!
Janis
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Ruben, hadriaticus must be no hybrid. So seldom this colouring is not outside at all.
Variations of Crocus laevigatus from different seedling pots, some already blossom as two-year-old plants. Unfortunately, the Goldback form is reflected in the middle very much.
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Ruben, hadriaticus must be no hybrid. So seldom this colouring is not outside at all.
Variations of Crocus laevigatus from different seedling pots, some already blossom as two-year-old plants. Unfortunately, the Goldback form is reflected in the middle very much.
Agree with Dirk
Janis
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Crocus cartwrightianus albus
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Thanks Janis and Dirk. Could it be hadriaticus lilacinus?
Dirk, laevigatus is one of my favorite crocuses. Lovely to see so much different forms.
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Crocus serotinus ssp. salzmannii, JJA 352.006, seedlings still continue pushing up their buds and I found a white flower one in the pot this morning :)
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Cool nights and sunshine help Crocus to flower.
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Thanks Janis and Dirk. Could it be hadriaticus lilacinus?
Dirk, laevigatus is one of my favorite crocuses. Lovely to see so much different forms.
Ruben, this is already more normal hadriaticus. But what is quite normal in the nature?
Crocus hadriaticus f.lilacinus is mauve inside and outside.
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Here Crocus melantherus in flower .
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And also C. goulimyi ' Agia Sofia ' . (with many thanks to the kind gentleman who was so kind to give me this superb Crocus )
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And also C. goulimyi ' Agia Sofia ' . (with many thanks to the kind gentleman who was so kind to give me this superb Crocus )
What a glorious crocus. 8)
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Some lovely crocus over the past weeks when I have been away.
Here are a few flowering now.
Crocus moabiticus. In the 15 years I have had this crocus, it has increased to only 3 bulbs. Usually this species has relatively small flowers with little garden value but this one is quite appealing.
Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer'. I get the impression there might be more than one clone in cultivation.
Crocus cartwrightianus 'Homeri'
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Some lovely crocus over the past weeks when I have been away.
Here are a few flowering now.
Crocus moabiticus. In the 15 years I have had this crocus, it has increased to only 3 bulbs. Usually this species has relatively small flowers with little garden value but this one is quite appealing.
Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer'. I get the impression there might be more than one clone in cultivation.
Crocus cartwrightianus 'Homeri'
Wow :o What a show Cyril , never seen a C moabiticus in a garden like that ! It is a very rare thing and see them growing like that is a pleasure.
Yes , it seems that your 'Dream Dancer ' is very different from the ones we saw earlier.
But al together maybe I like that ' Homeri ' most of all .....
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Crocus cartwrightianus 'Homeri'
Hi Cyril , isn't it pallasii 'Homeri ' or am I confused ?
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Hi Cyril , isn't it pallasii 'Homeri ' or am I confused ?
Some do give the name as pallasii 'Homeri' - however, Janis has written previously : "Another surprise was Crocus which I got as "pallasii" but it seem to be cartwrightianus but it is closing flowers for night. Originally collected on Chios island (Greece) and named 'Homeri' by great ancient Greek poet Homer. Note black anthers (black colour in crocuses is my "weakness" point)."
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Well investigated Maggi. According to the 'Crocus Pages': In Crocus pallasii, the style divides above the base of the anthers, the related Crocus cartwrightianus has a style which divides well below the base of the anthers almost in the throat of the flower, a useful distinction. Clearly the two are closely related.
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Here are the two Crocus pages links:
http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269808987Crocus_pallasii_pallasii.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269808987Crocus_pallasii_pallasii.pdf)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269807478Crocus_cartwrightianus.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/genera/logdir/2010Mar281269807478Crocus_cartwrightianus.pdf)
Interesting that Janis notes that the flowers of 'Homeri' close for the night - have those of you growing this plant noticed that?
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Some lovely crocus over the past weeks when I have been away.
Here are a few flowering now.
Crocus moabiticus. In the 15 years I have had this crocus, it has increased to only 3 bulbs. Usually this species has relatively small flowers with little garden value but this one is quite appealing.
Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer'. I get the impression there might be more than one clone in cultivation.
Crocus cartwrightianus 'Homeri'
Welcome back Maestro!
That should get the Croconuts salivating! :o
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Crocus moabiticus. In the 15 years I have had this crocus, it has increased to only 3 bulbs. Usually this species has relatively small flowers with little garden value but this one is quite appealing.
Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer'. I get the impression there might be more than one clone in cultivation.
Crocus cartwrightianus 'Homeri'
Wonderful crocuses, Cyril :o I love black anthers, too.
Here are 2 crocuses today...
Crocus goulimyi from selected variants, from JJA 345.212.
Crocus serotinus ssp. salzmannii, from JJA 352.006, a white flower.
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Some lovely crocus over the past weeks when I have been away.
Here are a few flowering now.
Crocus moabiticus. In the 15 years I have had this crocus, it has increased to only 3 bulbs. Usually this species has relatively small flowers with little garden value but this one is quite appealing.
Crocus mathewii 'Dream Dancer'. I get the impression there might be more than one clone in cultivation.
Crocus cartwrightianus 'Homeri'
Fabulous Crocus, Cyril !!
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Crocus goulymi from Areopoli
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Some do give the name as pallasii 'Homeri' - however, Janis has written previously : "Another surprise was Crocus which I got as "pallasii" but it seem to be cartwrightianus but it is closing flowers for night. Originally collected on Chios island (Greece) and named 'Homeri' by great ancient Greek poet Homer. Note black anthers (black colour in crocuses is my "weakness" point)."
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Well investigated Maggi. According to the 'Crocus Pages': In Crocus pallasii, the style divides above the base of the anthers, the related Crocus cartwrightianus has a style which divides well below the base of the anthers almost in the throat of the flower, a useful distinction. Clearly the two are closely related.
Thanks Cyril and Maggi for putting me on the track again :D
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Crocus goulymi from Areopoli
Must admit that C. goulimyi seems to give a lot of variation . And that is always a good feature ....
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Crocus serotinus ssp. salzmannii, from JJA 352.006, a white flower.
I like that serotinus to Tatsuo , as always so well grown .
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Look at all these wonderful Crocusses which can set seed for next year's Crocus Group's seed-exchange!!! ;D ;D
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Cyril,
Splendid Crocus. Can you give a very brief overview of your cultivation of C. moabiticus? Is it much drier than "regular" Crocus? I have just acquired some seedling this year and would appreciate a few pointers very much.
Cheers,
Alex
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Cyril,
Splendid Crocus. Can you give a very brief overview of your cultivation of C. moabiticus? Is it much drier than "regular" Crocus? I have just acquired some seedling this year and would appreciate a few pointers very much.
Cheers,
Alex
Alex, I grow C. moabiticus in much the same way as other crocus. Compost is equal parts JI No. 3 and 3-4 mm grit. It is one of the first crocus to die back and I then keep it fairly dry until repotting in August. In early years, I used to remove it from its pot and store in a plastic bag with dry vermiculite, but the last few years it has stayed in its pot until repotting. Keeping it dry when dormant seems to be very important.
Interesting that Janis notes that the flowers of 'Homeri' close for the night - have those of you growing this plant noticed that?
In my plant, the flowers close for the night which is unlike C. cartwrightianus (although some clones do that). I have checked it carefully and the style divides well below the base of the anthers which confirms C. cartwrightianus.
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Here are 2 crocuses today...
Crocus goulimyi from selected variants, from JJA 345.212.
Crocus serotinus ssp. salzmannii, from JJA 352.006, a white flower.
Tatsuo, the white Crocus serotinus ssp. salzmannii with the purple tube is eye catching. The high light level is keeping it fairly low. I grow a named pure white form 'El Torcal' but the flowers are taller.
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Thanks for that, Cyril, very useful to know how it's doing well for you. I hope I can emulate your success with it.
Cheers,
Alex
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Some do give the name as pallasii 'Homeri' - however, Janis has written previously : "Another surprise was Crocus which I got as "pallasii" but it seem to be cartwrightianus but it is closing flowers for night. Originally collected on Chios island (Greece) and named 'Homeri' by great ancient Greek poet Homer. Note black anthers (black colour in crocuses is my "weakness" point)."
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Yes I wrote this, but just the point of style division confirms that it is pallasii. I specially visited its locality on Chios and variability there is great but specimens looking as HOMERI are only few. Similar plants I found at several localities in Chios.
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I'm now together with Liga and two my Czech friends (Vaclav and Jirka) in Greece. It is raining. Visited (for 5th time) locality of C. hellenicus near Varnakovo and again found none. May be not the best time, may be this roadside population is lost. Found only C. robertianus and Liga spotted C. hadriaticus in full bloom - species registered for this spot but never before seen by me there. Now its presence there is confirmed. Tomorrow we will explore vicinity of Vikos Canyon and then back to Peloponnesus and Attica.
Janis
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Cyril, marvelous bach of flowers, i'm blown away by your Crocusses :D
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Tatsuo, the white Crocus serotinus ssp. salzmannii with the purple tube is eye catching. The high light level is keeping it fairly low. I grow a named pure white form 'El Torcal' but the flowers are taller.
You can move to Japan anytime if you want to your plants keep compact, Cyril ;D Your 'El Torcal' pot is so beautiful, well grown :D
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I'm guessing my Crocus 'Dream Dancer' are not as supplied?
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I'm guessing my Crocus 'Dream Dancer' are not as supplied?
I'm afraid you're right, Mark. It should have yelow anthers if I'm correct.
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As supplied by a well known "rare" bulb seller in UK
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Name and shame!
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I did John. The clue is there
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Here are some of the Crocus that have bloomed here in October.
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crocus banaticus
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Crocus pulchellus
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Crocus serotinus ssp salzmannii
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Crocus kotschyanus Reliance
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Crocus cartwrightianus
Now it's wet and cold outside and crocus season is probably over for this year here in Bergen.
Marit :)
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Lovely pictures, Marit - but I fear you are right - the year is turning now .... soon be winter. :'(
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A few squeaking in on the month's last day and relishing the sun.
Crocus goulymi
Crocus cancellatus v. mazzaricus
Crocus ligusticus (formerly medius)
Crocus ligusticus (formerly medius)
Crocus ligusticus (formerly medius)
johnw
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C. medius without virus which is great to see
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Mark - I wonder what the vector is for the crocus virus(es)? I never have aphis on bulbs and so suspect slugs or snails, the latter have appeared here in the past few years and we have every flavour of slug possible from the banana model down.
Sadly the white bowdeniis are lousy with virus.
johnw
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As supplied by a well known "rare" bulb seller in UK
Mark, my bulbs are even a little cheeper, but almost always true to name..Why you didn't ask DREAM DANCER to me? We have it, although not included in catalogue.
Janis & Liga
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A few squeaking in on the month's last day and relishing the sun.
Crocus goulymi
Crocus cancellatus v. mazzaricus
Crocus medius
Crocus medius
Crocus medius
johnw
John, Crocus ligusticus not medfius!
Janis
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Here are some of the Crocus that have bloomed here in October.
Sorry, Marit,
Not pulchellus but hybrid with some speciosus. Note branching and position of stigma.
Janis
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Thank you Janis!
Always good to have the right name. This has been mislabeled when I bought it. Anyway a very nice flower ?!
Marit
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Thank-you Janis, I will change my label yet again, I never nboticed the green bract either. This one started as longiflorus so I must buy longer labels. ;)
It seems to be winter hardy here, quite unlike speciosus which is hopeless here.
johnw
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20 degrees in Belgium, a new record for this time of year! Crazy ???
Crocus laevigatus
Crocus hadriaticus x oreocreticus --> a cross between two species
Crocus hadriaticus x oreocreticus --> a cross between two species
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Warmer than here, Ruben!
Wonderful weather to open your crocus flowers for great portrait photos 8)
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Crocus Ochroleucus in flower at the moment, got this from R V Roger in Pickering in North Yorkshire as I was passing through on one of the family's regular trips into Yorkshire. I have it growing with some Wallflowers & Crocus Kotschyanus.
(https://farm4.staticflickr.com/3938/15065202834_36c9fcb570_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/oXg6Ws)Crocus Ochroleucus (https://flic.kr/p/oXg6Ws) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
(https://farm8.staticflickr.com/7510/15686742082_796e439a3a_c.jpg) (https://flic.kr/p/pUbDUo)Crocus Ochroleucus (https://flic.kr/p/pUbDUo) by johnstephen29 (https://www.flickr.com/people/126223196@N05/), on Flickr
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Crocus oreocreticus
Crocus laevigatus CEH 612 last flower
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Yes a bit TO warm Maggi! But weather will chance this evening. Forecast a lot of rain and much colder weather.
Yoday Crocus laevigatus AH 0153 was open. I like the yellow (gold) blush on the outer petals.