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Luit, normally I would think of the stronger colour as being U. grandiflora andthe paler version as U. perfoliata......not sure WHY I think this, that is the problem On the old forum, http://www.srgc.org.uk/discus/messages/283/10449.html, well down the page, there is a post by John Forrest, Posted on Saturday, April 30, 2005 - 1:20 pm: which shows two forms he has and this is how he calls his, too.Interesting page that one from the archived Forum, actually, there are wonderful photos of Mr Amazing's Lewisias and all sorts of other great plants, I have enjoyed looking through it again!