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Joakim B
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 14, 2009, 04:26:51 PM »
Rafa does Your sisyrinchium have yellow back in the throat?
I do not know how wide the spread in colour of it is but mine do look a lot like your monophylla.
The flora (without pictures) that I am looking in only have sisyrinchium for Portugal and also in the region where I were. So if sisyrinchium is variable it might be it. If not, then monophylla. The other iris that exists in Portugal are not fitting the description.
Might be the other one but planted /spread by humans?
Against that talks the fact that I saw them on two different places even if it was only one at the first. Botha are orchid places so might have been spread indirectly by humans.
Jaime interesting project hope You will be able to tell the results when time comes. Some extreems may be used as types rather than the normals and if plants are tetraploid they might be better suited for gardening and hence spread well and be different from what normally is seen in nature.
Lesley chromosomes are of interest in to see if they will get a fertile outcome. If they are very different they will not but if similar they will. So if one want to be scientific in understanding why it does not work it can be used. Just try and error can give similar information but takes time. Specially if one need to wait for the third generation
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 14, 2009, 10:14:25 PM »
Here is another pic of
Moraea monophylla
, from crete, to compare :
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Fred
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 14, 2009, 11:08:20 PM »
Joakim, I appreciate your information about chromsomes but unless one is of a scientific inclination - which I'm not - one is not likely to have the relevant notes on one's book shelf and it's not as if one can just pop out to the garden and count them, is it.
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Lesley Cox - near Dunedin, lower east coast, South Island of New Zealand - Zone 9
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April 15, 2009, 08:54:52 AM »
Fred the Moraea looks lovely and the grey gravel sets it off nicely.
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 15, 2009, 09:17:51 AM »
Fred Thanks for this lovely picture.
I do not remember the foliage as so twisted but I may not have noticed in the grass (or they where more protected there and less twisted). I think they look similar but I may miss some important information and have no knowledge about the variation of sisyrinchium.
Lesley with time the information about chromosome will be in all books maybe only as a map of who have high chances of mating with whom. That is where they come into common use I would say. So that is why I wish Jaime good luck with his work.
Has anyone else seen sisyrinchium that is only 10 cm or so with a bit yellow as in my picture?
Thanks again for the help.
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April 16, 2009, 11:48:19 AM »
Beautiful picture, Fred. Just perfect!
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 17, 2009, 03:35:29 PM »
Some irisses that are flowering in my garden now:
the first one is Iris taurica, the others are cultivars but I forgot the name:
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Wim Boens - Secretary VRV (Flemish Rock Garden Society) - Seed exchange manager Crocus Group
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April 17, 2009, 05:17:19 PM »
Here are some
Iris reichenbachii
, yellow and violet forms, but I'm not really sure of the identification for the yellow form...
Iris suaveolens
yellow ??
If somebody can give his feeling....
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 17, 2009, 07:06:21 PM »
Lovely Irises Wim and Fred I can't help with identification though. maybe lesley will when she comes on-line.
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David Nicholson
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"Victims of satire who are overly defensive, who cry "foul" or just winge to high heaven, might take pause and consider what exactly it is that leaves them so sensitive, when they were happy with satire when they were on the side dishing it out"
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 17, 2009, 09:51:03 PM »
No, not really. The little white looks like 'Bright White' but there are so many in each colour. I have several yellows with a red spot and this is not quite like any of them. As for the reichenbachiana/suaveolens, I'm no better there, sorry. All are lovely though. I very much like the dark purple reichenbachiana.
Haven't had to get up at 4.30 this morning to go to work. What luxury, to lie in bed until...5am
when the dogs woke me.
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Lesley Cox - near Dunedin, lower east coast, South Island of New Zealand - Zone 9
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 17, 2009, 11:30:44 PM »
Fred, I think first one is Iris reichenbachii f. yellow and second one is Iris suaveolens
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 18, 2009, 07:42:52 AM »
OK, Thank's for your help, but it's right they are so similar in cultivation.....
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Fred
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 21, 2009, 05:54:53 PM »
this is iris filifolia subsp. filifolia
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 21, 2009, 06:36:43 PM »
Beautiful Rafa.
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David Nicholson
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"Victims of satire who are overly defensive, who cry "foul" or just winge to high heaven, might take pause and consider what exactly it is that leaves them so sensitive, when they were happy with satire when they were on the side dishing it out"
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Re: Iris and some Irids 2009
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April 21, 2009, 08:28:48 PM »
Blooming today is this surprising iris 'Benazir', from Lawrence Ransom. It is an aril-bred, although one doesn't see it at first glance. The top review reveals the hexapogon characteristics! 6 beards.
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Jamie Vande
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