Patagonian Tour 2012

[Great Moravian]

Ger,
I wanted to obtain a reference to the scientific description of Viola trochlearis. It is legitimate.
It is not in Plant Names Index. In is not on the web except the entries by Jan.
I had nothing against Marcela. I simply demonstrated Viola trochlearis is not referred to
in her pages. If you are the person behind, provide me the reference to the description
of Viola trochlearis instead of sending me absurd letters.
Botany is namely a science, not a business.

[Maggi Young]

I think that perhaps Viola trochlearis is being described by John Watson  



 N. B.  It may be that with all the different native languages of the various forumists that some things are not being perceived as theyare intended when rendered in English:  I hope that no personal offence is intended or taken at such possible misunderstandings.  

[Great Moravian]

I think that perhaps Viola trochlearis is being described by John Watson  

Thank you. Perhaps I finally learn where the description of it was published.

[Maggi Young]

I think that perhaps Viola trochlearis is being described by John Watson  

Thank you. Perhaps I finally learn where the description of it was published.

Maybe it is not yet published - John Watson has spoken, I think, of 'a new species to be described'. 

[Great Moravian]

Maybe it is not yet published - John Watson has spoken, I think, of 'a new species to be described'. 

Thank you again. If so, the binomial would not exist for the purposes of botanical nomenclature
and ought to be written "Viola trochlearis" in double quotation marks.
It is not serious to use non-existent names.

[Great Moravian]

But who is John Watson. He cannot be found in Plant Names Index.
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/query_author.html

[Tony Willis]

But who is John Watson. He cannot be found in Plant Names Index.
http://www.ipni.org/ipni/query_author.html

Oh dear, how transient is fame!

[Maggi Young]

John Watson is a British plant collector, living and working in South America. He has written over the years in many AGS bulletins, for example, and he is featured in the International Rock Gardener in issues 7 (July)  and 9 (September) of 2010
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/index.php?log=international

He will be one ofthe Speakers at the Alpines 2011 Conference in Nottingham, England,  in April 2011.

 He is John M. Watson: http://www.ipni.org/ipni/idAuthorSearch.do;jsessionid=D8D9C053E7E8565F74635CB23DDB396A?id=37145-1&back_page=%2Fipni%2FeditAdvAuthorSearch.do%3Bjsessionid%3DD8D9C053E7E8565F74635CB23DDB396A%3Ffind_abbreviation%3D%26find_surname%3DWatson%26find_isoCountry%3D%26find_forename%3D%26output_format%3Dnormal

[Pascal B]

Maybe it is not yet published - John Watson has spoken, I think, of 'a new species to be described'. 

Thank you again. If so, the binomial would not exist for the purposes of botanical nomenclature
and ought to be written "Viola trochlearis" in double quotation marks.
It is not serious to use non-existent names.

GM is right, unpublished names have to follow a different notation to avoid confusion, usually even followed by "īn prep." or "pub. in prep." and the name should only be referred to as an undescribed species novum with the proposed name "x". But we should also be aware that not all forumist are aware of the name conventions and therefore those that do can teach those that don't, that's what this forum is meant to do isn't it? Increase our knowledge by sharing info.

However, given the somewhat competitive nature of part of the taxonomic world it is recommened not to wait too long after mentioning it is a new species to actually publish it otherwise another taxonomist can describe it before John Watson can and under a different name. And its first come first served. There are plenty of examples of "species stolen" where one taxonomist nicked a find of another taxonimist. Not the nicest thing to do but it has happened all too often. To publish is to exist in the taxonomic world.... 

[Great Moravian]

Maggi,
I repeated the search immediately. The result is as follows.
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You searched on: Forename = John and Surname = Watson

No Authors were found in IPNI matching these search terms.
Please have a look at our search tips page for more information on how to search IPNI successfully. If you are unsure of the spelling, you can use wild cards (%) to look for partial matches.
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Without the M he cannot be found.

[Maggi Young]

Maggi,
I repeated the search immediately. The result is as follows.
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You searched on: Forename = John and Surname = Watson

No Authors were found in IPNI matching these search terms.
Please have a look at our search tips page for more information on how to search IPNI successfully. If you are unsure of the spelling, you can use wild cards (%) to look for partial matches.
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Without the M he cannot be found.

 I only searched on  Surname -  Watson   this brought a list and I searched down for the one I knew it to be. These search engines are by no means infallible. There are often problems with the Forum version not  returning valid information we know to be there.
I know that several of the RHS search featurees for different sections are very irregular in their reports.  I am noit sure if perfection in any search facility exists, any more that a truly complete index can ever be precisely that.


As my mother might have said, ' these things are here to try us, and they surely do!'
It is not helpful that it is so hard at times to track down information or find full and up to date information, even in this time of internet access.
Perhaps there is a god and these problems are good for our souls? (Please, everyone, that last question was rhetorical and does not require either answer or comment!)

[Marcela Ferreyra - Patagonia]

Hi ever body!  Here is Marcela Ferreyra from Patagonia. I was reading the discussion about Viola trochlearis. Unhappily, this name still unpublished. John Wattson has been researching rosulates Violas for a long time. He think it is a new specie and tentatively has decided to use this name.  We need a new index for this rich group. I agree with the colleague that suggested  to mention by “” (or another symbol) that the name is not legal jet. Or maybe, it could bee better to mention unpublished or something like that to avoid confusion with Cultivars. 
The people coming with Ger Tour next year will certainly see many species of rosulates Viola!.
Kiss Jan, I have a good news for you. I have found very a big population of Viola congesta at the end of Lagunas de Epulauquen, a little higher up than the close to extinction population.  Hurrah!!!!!!!!
Huge hug from Patagonia.
 

[Maggi Young]

Hello Marcela, good to hear from you- Ian and Carole Bainbridge are  often talking of your great advice and good company on their travels!

 Thank you for clearing up our confusion over the Viola trochlearis name.... this is what GM meant by it being unknown, of course.

The flora of your region is so spectacular but it is hard not to love all the fabulous violas even more than the others!

[Marcela Ferreyra - Patagonia]

Hi Maggi!!! I also have enjoyed with Carol and Ian very much. I hope to see you sometime here in this beautiful and huge land.
I think the trip that Ger is organizing is going to be wonderful! Mountains in Mendoza are really magnificent. … and he  is a very kind leader.
Kiss for all of you.   
 

[Maggi Young]

There are many of us envious of these wonderful tours that take place, Marcela.

It must be exciting for you to have visiting plant lovers to share your knowledge and enthusuasm  of the fascinating plants of South America.
We can say thank goodness for the digital camera to see such things here in the Forum.