Crocus October 2009

[Hans A.]

Crocus cambessedesii - the first one

[Ragged Robin]

Really lovely, Hans, have you got a photo of the feathering as well?

[Thomas Huber]

Fred your crocus does not looks like pallasii to me.  
It might be C. hermoneus hermoneus  

I agree, that the petals look somewhat like C. hermoneus, but the style doesn't!
Fred, does the corm look like the one I have here? Then it is surely pallasii, probably ssp turcicus like Dirk mentioned.

[Oron Peri]

Crocus flowering now, from Lebanon, is it C. pallasii ssp pallasii ?
no leaves at all , and closed for the night...
Sorry for the bad pic, the bad flower, but windy this afternoon, and snails are aout  

Not an easy one,

I would say cancellatus ssp. cancellatus and maybe even cancellatus damascenus.
It isn't  the style of any of the pallasii, and not the one of C. hermoneus.
What i have noticed is that cancellatus cancellatus has two forms of styles, a developed, much branched one and the other is much less developed [ seems to be the one Fred posted].

But, there are some population that are mixed hermoneus and cancellatus with intermadiate forms that seems to be hybrids.
Any how we have arrived to the conclusion that cancellatus from this region can be told 100% only by checking the corm.


Attached are photos from last season where you can see all three  that i have mentioned.

[Oron Peri]

Attached also the typical pallasii pallasii ,
As you can see the petal's form and veins of the three species are very similar.

[Oron Peri]

Found also a photo of cancellatus cancellatus showing the two different styles on the same plant.

[art600]

Oron

Wonderful photos of an interesting and very variable Crocus.   I am waiting for my Greek and Turkish cancellatus to flower.

[Janis Ruksans]

No more pictures from me. Promised sun didn't come today but tomorrow I'm leaving my plants for two weeks. Hope to post pictures after my returning - then in new November topic.

Janis

[BULBISSIME]

Thank's everybody !
Thomas, I'm not sure this is the same corm as yours, I'll have to dig it up next year and to take pictures
Oron, mine is very similar except style to your pallasii pallasii...

[I.S.]

Oron, thank you very much for showing these nice pics and for share your knowledge about the area.
So answer is under ground.
 And here is my first C. cancellatus from last week. I recieved only a single corm from near Syrian border
I want to call this C. cancellatus subsp. damascenus
I hope you are agree with me !!

[Oron Peri]

Ibrahim,

Yes, regarding  Fred's Crocus i think the answer is under ground as you say, in my opinion, in this case  it wouldn't be right to decide only by the style or petal form without knowing if  it is a singular phenomenon or is the whole population has this type of style.

Your Crocus is just beautiful!!! so slender and defiantly c. damascenus. [white throat, pale yellow divided style, and the corm offcourse.]

It is amazing to see the differences from both ends of the distribution of this ssp. the Southern population is in the Negev Desert and yours is from S. Turkey, thousands of KM apart.

I attach photos of plants from the Negev. [it has been suggested to saparate this form into a new species]

[I.S.]

 Oron, your C. cancellatus subsp. damascenus also so beautiful and looks different with tiny petals and short style.
 So I can keep mine with contentment as a sample for turkis C. cancellatus subsp. damascenus.
 And here is my second cancellatus from this week.
 C. cancellatus subsp. mazziaricus from West Turkey. just common samples (bracteole clearly visible, yellowy throat)

 

[johnw]

My first autumn one out  - C. cancellatus subsp. mazziaricus

johnw

[udo]

Nice pics from all.
In flower by me today:
Crocus caspius 2x
   ``    nerimaniae 2x
   ``    cancellatus ssp.pamphylicus, light blue form
   ``    wattiorum

[BULBISSIME]

very strange this C. wattiorum !
never heard of it before,... like many other species