Another couple of Lilium

[Stephenb]

A couple of years ago a Lilium I had bought as edible bulbs in a supermarket in Singapore was identified as Lilium davidii willmottiae, see
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=180.msg2961#msg2961

It seems a shame to eat them, but it has to be done....

However, I am willing to accept a large amount of money from the Lilium protection league to leave them alone  

Here they are today (do the experts still agree that this is L. davidii willmottiae):

[Stephenb]

Another one that has just came into flower that I need help with:

 

[jes]

I think it maby is: Lilium lankongense:
http://images.google.se/images?hl=sv&q=Lilium+lankongense&btnG=S%C3%B6k+bilder&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

smile / jes

[Rodger Whitlock]

A couple of years ago a Lilium I had bought as edible bulbs in a supermarket in Singapore was identified as Lilium davidii willmottiae, see
http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=180.msg2961#msg2961

It seems a shame to eat them, but it has to be done....

However, I am willing to accept a large amount of money from the Lilium protection league to leave them alone  

Here they are today (do the experts still agree that this is L. davidii willmottiae):

Can someone tell us what the distinction is between Lilium davidii "not-willmottiae" and Lilium davidii willmottiae? I too grow lilies from edible bulbs from a Chinese grocery, they've been identified as Lilium davidii, but since they appear to be setting seed, I'd like to know if they are the subspecies.

[Stephenb]

I think it maby is: Lilium lankongense:
http://images.google.se/images?hl=sv&q=Lilium+lankongense&btnG=S%C3%B6k+bilder&gbv=2&aq=f&oq=

smile / jes

Thanks for this! I see now from my notes that I did indeed plant 2 bulbs of this species on this bed in 2008!!

[Lesley Cox]

Not able to offer you a large amount of money Staphen, but remember that if you plant them instead of eating them, by next year you'll have even more to eat. It could go on for years. 

[rob krejzl]

Can someone tell us what the distinction is between Lilium davidii "not-willmottiae" and Lilium davidii willmottiae? I too grow lilies from edible bulbs from a Chinese grocery, they've been identified as Lilium davidii, but since they appear to be setting seed, I'd like to know if they are the subspecies.

The differences have always seemed rather subjective to me, even though I grow what are supposed to be examples of both. McRae saying "Variety willmottiae..  .. resembles the type but has a more elegant form" just seems to sum up the ambivalence IMO.

[gote]

There is no definite borderline between the two. All sorts of intermediate forms exist. Willmottie has more slender stems and might need to be staked. It has longer drooping pedicels and more numerous flowers. We should probably treat it s a cultivar Lilium davidii 'Miss Wilmott'. However it was named at a time when the present rules of nomenclature did not exist. It was described as a separate genus under the name Lilium sutchuense Franchet in 1892
Flora Sinica does not even mention it as a form.
There is a discussion in lily year book No 7 but I do not today have the time to consult it.
Cheers
Göte

[Susan Band]

Hi,
Here is another Chinese Lillium that maybe someone can help identify. It is very similar to L. fargesii, perhaps it is just a darker form.
The fargesii I have flowered at the same time but didn't have such a dark centre. I got it about 5years ago but this is the first time it has flowered, unfortunately it suffered from the nearby hedge cutting!
Susan

[gote]

Hi,
Here is another Chinese Lillium that maybe someone can help identify. It is very similar to L. fargesii, perhaps it is just a darker form.
The fargesii I have flowered at the same time but didn't have such a dark centre. I got it about 5years ago but this is the first time it has flowered, unfortunately it suffered from the nearby hedge cutting!
Susan

Not one I recognize offhand. Have you consulted 'flora of China' on the net? It looks as if it belongs there.
Cheers
G
öte

[Afloden]

Susan,

 Are the nectaries papillose? If not then I would say it is L. habaense. It is similar to L. fargesii, but distinct in several characters.

 Aaron Floden

[Lesley Cox]

A very interesting flo9wer Susan and looking almost sinister. The seed pod seem partially developed even before the petals have fallen.