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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: freddyvl on January 07, 2013, 10:33:34 PM
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Like every year is E. hyemalis 'Winterzauber' together with E. pinnatifida the first Eranthistype to bloom in the open garden.
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What a great show Freddy ! I like those Eranthis very much, they are just perfect.
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Good to see someone growing E. pinnatifida outside.
My Paulines and Schwefelglanz are up and looking great
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I bought a pinnatifida from edrom last year..it produced a sickly yellow leaf ..i thought it was dead .was in the greenhouse all summer no water..went in this morn and theres a perfect little stem of flower..anyone growing this outside??
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Like every year is E. hyemalis 'Winterzauber' together with E. pinnatifida the first Eranthistype to bloom in the open garden.
Perfect pinnatifida, Freddy!
As they are comming so early, mine are often damaged by snow and frost.
Poul
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I bought a pinnatifida from edrom last year..it produced a sickly yellow leaf ..i thought it was dead .was in the greenhouse all summer no water..went in this morn and theres a perfect little stem of flower..anyone growing this outside??
I have grown pinnatifida outside since 2005 in a rather moist woodland bed. They are hardy down to at least -20oC without any cover. In the spring I do cover them sometimes to avoid too much damage to the flowers and to improve pollination. They have flowered reliable every year, but they increase rather slowly. You can see them here http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9910.15 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9910.15)
Poul
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My Paulines and Schwefelglanz are up and looking great
With me these named cultivars appear some time in February whereas there were a few of the standard Eranthis hyemalis out on 30th December and a good display now. Do you not find that the named cultivars are late-flowering, Mark?
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I bought a pinnatifida from edrom last year..it produced a sickly yellow leaf ..i thought it was dead .was in the greenhouse all summer no water..went in this morn and theres a perfect little stem of flower..anyone growing this outside??
I grow it in pots which spend winter in the cold greenhouse until after flowering but then they are plunged in an open frame outside all summer as I find it does not tolerate drying out - you were lucky to keep yours!
The only reason I would not grow it outside here is that I don't have many of them and that the slugs we are plagued with would destroy it as it emerged.
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Alan only the two mentioned are up and looking good. This morning I noticed an Orange Glow coming up.
Specials from Joe Sharman last year are not showing but should hopefully show next month.
E. cilicicus are just coming in to flower.
Last year I bought some Schwefleglanz from a Dutch supplier. Only one had a flower but it had aborted. I asked the supplier why he said flowering sized yet only one had a flower. He was rude. I'm very happy to have 5 flowers this year.
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E. 'Schwefelglanz' every year appears sooner than E. 'Grünling' or 'Schlyter's Orange'. But none of them shows flowers at the moment which is quite a good thing, as we have temperatures between - 3 to -7 C and only 3cm snow.
How do you manage Eranthis cilicica? Mine flowered two ore three years quite well and then disappeared. I have no idea, why.
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How do you manage Eranthis cilicica? Mine flowered two ore three years quite well and then disappeared. I have no idea, why.
Mine also but seedlings flower in a few years
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How do you manage Eranthis cilicica? Mine flowered two ore three years quite well and then disappeared. I have no idea, why.
We have great problems with E. cilicica, Susan. It does not seem hardy with us- but whether it is the winter cold or summer cold/wet that kills it, we are not sure.
The hybrids of it, x tubergenia etc., are tougher.
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The hybrids of it, x tubergenia etc., are tougher.
This is my observation too.
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In my garden this plant grows only on a space of one square meter. On all other places I've lost it.
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Lovely flowers, Franz - is that area one where it is quite warm and dry?
Ian wonders if planting in lattice pots and lifting for the summer to a warmer place would help here.
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Maggi, No, this place is shady and dry, but not warm.
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Thank you Franz - if warmth is not a factor then it seems sure that ours are rotting off during our wet summer - perhaps a cover in summer would be enough to help them - we must experiment!
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A good idea, but not too dry. Good luck!
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A good idea, but not too dry. Good luck!
It can never get too dry in Scotland Franz... ! ::) ;) ;D
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That is exactly what Ian said, Luc!
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My one attempt to grow Eranthis cilicica was a failure; it did not last beyond the first year. I planted it under a chestnut tree (where E. hyemalis is now thriving). This spot is bone dry in summer and never very wet. Not a chance of rotting off there but it did no good.
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Eranthis pinnatifida is quite exquisite! A good plant for a really choice trough - but what would you choose to go with it?
This is an illustration of 'Winter Aconites' taken from a 1911 edition of Amateur Gardening. A very lovely garden plant, but I've not tried any of the more recent selections, except for the choice 'Guinea Gold' in a pot. There can't be many plants which can spread so beautifully and naturally in the garden.
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I grow Eranthis cilicica under a very big ash tree, I started with a few tubers, they spread well and now I do not know how many there are. Same place I also grow hyamalis flora plena and Eranthis x tubergenii "Guinea Gold" The place is raised and after Eranthis, Anemone and Galanthus the place is covered with big Hosta leaves and therefore I think the soil is very dry at summer.
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Hmm, I had never thought of hostas and snowdrops as companion plants (although I have pots of hostas that combine well with Iris reticulata, planted for winter interest).
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That one surprises me Alan as Iris reticulata forms like it really hot and dry here in summer while snowdrops never like to be dried right out for me, even the middle eastern ones prefer if not damp, at least dry and shaded conditions while dormant. They do grow well with hostas, but of the smaller, more compact varieties which also are not allowed to be totally dry.
My only attempt with E. cilicica was a total failure, fresh seed given to me from Germany and absolutely nil germination. Crocus and snowdrop seed sent at the same time germinated well.
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We are wandering off topic here, Lesley, but hostas (the larger ones at least) are far, far more drought tolerant than they are usually given credit for (although exactly as you ought to expect from a plant with waxy fleshy leaves). I simply don't water mine that often and we don't get a lot of rain here.
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You're right there Alan, especially the modern hybrids are very drought tolerant, with such thick leaves. This has the advantage of making them quite slug-proof too.
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By my opinion the best companion plants for early bulbs are Hosta and Paeonia. Both came out later giving time for early bulbs, later shading spot and taking away excessive moisture by lush foliage. In early spring bulbs makes colour on at that time empty Hosta and Paeonia beds.
Janis
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I used to have Eranthis longistipitata in a terracotta pot in the green house but after years of no flowers I planted it outside in a trough. I have no memory of when I put it in the trough but just now while looking at snowdrops I spotted furled dark green leaves. The label reads Eranthis longistipitata. It wasnt planted out in 2012 so could have been 2011. I hope it flowers but after a year or more underground it may not have the food reserve.
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here is mine Eranthis pinatifida, I let them out for the first week frost than i put it inside the greenhouse
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Seems like the flowers came out for your birthday, Chris!
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yes it seems so, thank you, Maggy, for the nice card
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Chris; Beautiful plants
Today there were flowers in 2 of my white Eranthis. Already last year I discovered they were different. Pinnatifida has dark leaves and larger flowers and is reddish in the middle of the flower. The other one I bought as Sibateranthis and I know that it is a synonym name for pinnatifida. Its leaves are narrow and bright green and it is not reddish in the middle of the flower. Are they both pinnatifida and is there so much diffrent between the plants of pinnatifida?
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Not one of the Eranthis bought at last years Gala has a flower. I'm quite angry just now. Probably just like snowdrops they don't like being moved while growing. I bought Grunling, Schylters Orange, semi plena, Noel Ayres and Lady _ _ _ _.
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A nearby churchyard has quite a large population of Eranthis hyemalis. It wasn't hard to find some with extra petals, as in the photo. I found several like this. Is this normal?
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Not one of the Eranthis bought at last years Gala has a flower. I'm quite angry just now. Probably just like snowdrops they don't like being moved while growing. I bought Grunling, Schylters Orange, semi plena, Noel Ayres and Lady _ _ _ _.
Mark stay calm - you are absolutely correct they do not take kindly to having their roots damaged when they are in full growth. No matter how careful you are damage will occur which will mean the the plant cannot grow on well and the bulb will end up smaller than it started out the season.
Left alone and with good growth they should flower next year.
A nearby churchyard has quite a large population of Eranthis hyemalis. It wasn't hard to find some with extra petals, as in the photo. I found several like this. Is this normal?
Alan I always find some of our plants with extra petals it is usually just a seasonal aberration as I have marked plants to check them the next season.
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Mine are in a good mix with lots of leaf mould so fingers crossed for next year.
Alan your plant may be stable because all the floweres are the same
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On the other hand, I decided I would try to split one of my Eranthis hyemalis specials last year. So mid March I dug it up, washed all the soil off the roots, chopped the tuber in half with a sharp knife and painted the cut ends with a horticultural sealant. Both halves are now just coming into flower. So that was some pretty rough treatment and the Eranthis seems none the worse.
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Not one of the Eranthis bought at last years Gala has a flower. I'm quite angry just now. Probably just like snowdrops they don't like being moved while growing. I bought Grunling, Schylters Orange, semi plena, Noel Ayres and Lady _ _ _ _.
Mark...they will flower next year, just don't disturb them. The Lady_ _ _ _ is probably 'Lady lamortagne'
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If anybody here has received in the last years seeds from my Eranthis so please read this :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10050.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=10050.0)
Hans
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Chris; Beautiful plants
Today there were flowers in 2 of my white Eranthis. Already last year I discovered they were different. Pinnatifida has dark leaves and larger flowers and is reddish in the middle of the flower. The other one I bought as Sibateranthis and I know that it is a synonym name for pinnatifida. Its leaves are narrow and bright green and it is not reddish in the middle of the flower. Are they both pinnatifida and is there so much diffrent between the plants of pinnatifida?
Karl - Shibateranthis isn't species name but genus name. Difference between Eranthis and Shibateranthis you can easy see growing them from seeds. Representatives of Genus Eranthis has two seedleave from seed - Eranthis hyemalis, cilicica.
Shibateranthis has one seedleaf from seed - Shibaneranthis longistipitata, sibirica, stellata, pinnatifida...
You can see the difference on attached pictures
Janis
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Today there were flowers in 2 of my white Eranthis. Already last year I discovered they were different. Pinnatifida has dark leaves and larger flowers and is reddish in the middle of the flower. The other one I bought as Sibateranthis and I know that it is a synonym name for pinnatifida. Its leaves are narrow and bright green and it is not reddish in the middle of the flower. Are they both pinnatifida and is there so much diffrent between the plants of pinnatifida?
Karl, the second one looks like Eranthis(Shibateranthis) byunsanensis, which according to some taxonomists is the same as E. pinnatifida, according to others it's the same as E. stellata and according to some other others ;) it's a seperate species with one subsp. E. byunsanensis grows in the wild in Korea, while E. pinnatifida is Japanese. If I remember correctly Tatsuo posted some pics of this species on the forum last year!
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I think the most distinctive feature of 'so-called' E. byunsanensis is its true petal (nectary) shape and colour. Other white Eranthis (Shibateranthis) species have more bifid and yellowish tipped nectaries. I'm hoping taxonomists settle this down shortly.
The 3 flowers on left side are E. byunsanensis and right are E. pinnatifida. (Sorry, this pic is larger than usual!)
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I should have noticed that, thanks Tatsuo! Karl's plants are both E. pinnatifida, the second one has more greenish nectaries. E. byunsanensis has funnel-shaped nectaries, while E. pinnatifida has bifid nectaries...I think that is the key difference.
As for the taxonomy, according to genetic research, there is a difference between E. pinnatifida and E. byunsanensis: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12374-011-9201-8?LI=true (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2Fs12374-011-9201-8?LI=true)
E. pungdoensis, which is often described as E. byunsanensis var. pungdoensis shows no genetic difference with E. byunsanensis.
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What an interesting discussion! Thank you alltogether for sharing these informations!
I have an additional question concerning this complex. How is Megaleranthis saniculifolia ranged
in the complex. Is it closely related to Eranthis and is this species in cultivation?
Gerd
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I know very little of this beautiful and apparently endangered endemic Korean plant so for others like me, I offer some links to super photos and a an abstract of a paper -
Complete chloroplast DNA sequence from a Korean endemic genus, Megaleranthis saniculifolia, and its evolutionary implications -
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19326085 (http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/19326085)
Photos :
http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/megaleranthissaniculifolia/interesting/ (http://www.flickriver.com/photos/tags/megaleranthissaniculifolia/interesting/)
http://www.flickr.com/photos/nalgae/2454118899/# (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nalgae/2454118899/#)
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Very interesting, Maggi.
I can't find any info in the abstract about it's relation to Eranthis. They seem to have researched the relation to Ranunculus and Trollius, but not to Eranthis (strange??).
According to them it belongs in the genus Trollius.
Does anyone know if this plant is in cultivation anywhere?
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And another one placing it in the genus Trollius: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF03030572?LI=true (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF03030572?LI=true)
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It is a most interesting question, Wim. It must be that the preliminary expectation was that there was no relation to Eranthis, I suppose, so the connection was sought elsewhere?
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And another one placing it in the genus Trollius: http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF03030572?LI=true (http://link.springer.com/article/10.1007%2FBF03030572?LI=true)
I see the whole paper is downloadable- that's good- includes all the references cited. (pdf is 3.29Mb in size)
This screengrab shows the initial comments about the relationship with Eranthis......
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Thank you both, Maggi and Wim!
Without knowing the scientific facts its physiognomy supports including in the genusTrollius .
Indeed it was the name mega (l)eranthis which puzzled me.
Does anyone know if this plant is in cultivation anywhere?
???
Gerd
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Without knowing the scientific facts its physiognomy supports including in the genusTrollius .
Indeed it was the name mega (l)eranthis which puzzled me.
The name was given in 1935 by Jisaburo Ohwi (Japan), probably based on the form of the flower...and since it grows taller than Eranthis but has no tuber, he didn't want to put it into Eranthis, I guess he just named it MEGA(l)ERANTHIS
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Very interesting article and discussion on white Eranthis!
In my garden there are many Eranthis hyemalis and a few E. pinnatifida. No sign of E. cilicica, logistipitata, Guinea Gold or Flore Pleno yet.
There are so many self-sown Crocus banaticus and nudiflorus seedlings among the pinnatifida that I guess a replanting will be appropriate in the summer.
Poul
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Thank you for interesting information, Wim, Maggi and Gerd... but it's a really tough job reading them with my English ability :-[
Poul, your eranthis look good in your garden :)
Then, I went to an alpine and wild plants nursery in Saitama and got some pots of E. pinnatifida. These are all cultiveted plants from wild collected seeds. I chose my favorite indivisuals from more than 100 seedlings 8) ;D ;D
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:o I'm green of jealousy Tatsuo ! ;D I have not yet had the opportunity to get them and I can't wait for owning few ones when I see so nice pictures ::) ;D
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Nicole, you should move to Japan immediately ;D
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I would like to do it often YT ;D
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Some of my eranthis have started to bloom today :) :) :)
Eranthis pinnatifida, albino type. from Bicchu, Okayama, Japan
Eranthis pinnatifida. white anther type. from Nariwa, Okayama, Japan
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Very interesting article and discussion on white Eranthis!
In my garden there are many Eranthis hyemalis and a few E. pinnatifida. No sign of E. cilicica, logistipitata, Guinea Gold or Flore Pleno yet.
There are so many self-sown Crocus banaticus and nudiflorus seedlings among the pinnatifida that I guess a replanting will be appropriate in the summer.
Poul
Hello Poul, beautifull plants, how do you cultivate the Eranthis sp.?
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Some of my eranthis have started to bloom today :) :) :)
Eranthis pinnatifida, albino type. from Bicchu, Okayama, Japan
Eranthis pinnatifida. white anther type. from Nariwa, Okayama, Japan
Hello Tatsuo, beautifull forms of this magnificent plant!!
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Hello Tatsuo, never have I seen so beautifull forms :o
Wim and Tatsuo THANK YOU for fantastic pictures and instructive information so I/we can see the diffrent between pinnatifida and byunsanensis.
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Hello Tatsuo, never have I seen so beautifull forms :o
Wim and Tatsuo THANK YOU for fantastic pictures and instructive information so I/we can see the diffrent between pinnatifida and byunsanensis.
I agree ! Thanks guys ....
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I'm always happy when the first flowers of Eranthis budding. They are so very beautiful as they come up from the bare earth ....
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This is my Eranthis longistipitata. Hopefully it will flower next year
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This is my Eranthis longistipitata. Hopefully it will flower next year
I suppose he do Mark ....
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Thank you all ;)
So called Eranthis byunsanensis flowers fully opened today. But their stems too short :( ???
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Waouh Tatsuo !!! :o ;D
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Very nice, Tatsuo. Even if they are a bit short to the ground :P Did something halt them in their development? Colder temperatures....??
I see there are a couple of seedlings too!
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Hello Poul, beautifull plants, how do you cultivate the Eranthis sp.?
Thank you Gert, but hopefully E. Pinnatifida will look much better in a couple of weeks. The weather forecast says frost and a little snow for the next weeks so they will be on stand by for some time.
I grow pinnatifida in a rather moist woodland bed where there are full sun in the winter and some shadows in the summer.
E. Hyemalis grows like weed in all part of my garden, both in acidic and alkaline soil.
E. Cilicica likes a drier site and prefers a more alkaline soil. E. Logistipitata likes a well drained and slightly dry soil.
Poul
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Thank you all ;)
So called Eranthis byunsanensis flowers fully opened today. But their stems too short :( ???
Again a beauty, Tatsuo
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Thank you Gert, but hopefully E. Pinnatifida will look much better in a couple of weeks. The weather forecast says frost and a little snow for the next weeks so they will be on stand by for some time.
I grow pinnatifida in a rather moist woodland bed where there are full sun in the winter and some shadows in the summer.
E. Hyemalis grows like weed in all part of my garden, both in acidic and alkaline soil.
E. Cilicica likes a drier site and prefers a more alkaline soil. E. Logistipitata likes a well drained and slightly dry soil.
Poul
Thank you Poul for this information.
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Did something halt them in their development? Colder temperatures....??
I see there are a couple of seedlings too!
I'm not sure, Wim ??? Probably its pot size did I think... Only 3 poted E. byunsanensis show same appearance which are grown in the smallest sized pot and others in the larger ones are looks normal (not yet flowering). Smaller pots conducts temperature more directly to underground parts of plants than larger ones.
I grow pinnatifida in a rather moist woodland bed
E. pinnatifida prefers very moist soil condition that is far more than I had imagined, Poul. Last season I got an "in the green" plant and its root was wrapped sloppily with sphagnum. I worried disturbing its root again when transplanting so left it in a pot with the sphagnum and watered regularly. This season the plant looks healthy and puts more flowers than last season, as you can see in the second pic of my post (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9951.msg266734#msg266734).
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E. pinnatifida prefers very moist soil condition that is far more than I had imagined, Poul. Last season I got an "in the green" plant and its root was wrapped sloppily with sphagnum. I worried disturbing its root again when transplanting so left it in a pot with the sphagnum and watered regularly. This season the plant looks healthy and puts more flowers than last season, as you can see in the second pic of my post (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9951.msg266734#msg266734).
Tatsuo, is the sphagnum you used living sphagnum moss? Your potting mixture looks suitable for growing Pleione. Do you know if E. pinnatifida grows in the same places as Pleione in the wild?
My pinnatifida bed is flowded with melting water each spring when the snow melts so at that time it is very moist. But the soil is fast draining so there is no standing water except when the soil is frozen.
Poul
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Tatsuo, is the sphagnum you used living sphagnum moss? Your potting mixture looks suitable for growing Pleione. Do you know if grows in the same places as Pleione in the wild?
My pinnatifida bed is flowded with melting water each spring when the snow melts so at that time it is very moist. But the soil is fast draining so there is no standing water except when the soil is frozen.
Thanks Poul. The sphagnum is dried and unfortunately I've never grown any pleione species until now. E. pinnatifida usually grows under deciduous woods at north facing slope in the wild.
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Two different 'pinkish reverse' Eranthis pinnatifida plants :) One from Hiroshima (I posted last year) and the other from Okayama.
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Two different 'pinkish reverse' Eranthis pinnatifida plants :) One from Hiroshima (I posted last year) and the other from Okayama.
Thanks Tatsuo for the beautifull pics and you comment of growing this plants
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One of the newer selections of Eranthis (Eranthis hyemalis, Double Strike Group) in flower and Eranthis cilicica in bud
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Hi Everyone
I have one type of Eranthis that was gifted to me by a friend a long time ago.
Dont know if it is a named variety, please see attached photo.
I would like to get some more cheap and easy to grow varieties that would look different and/or flower earlier or later than these ones.
Any suggestions on varieties, average prices, and where to get them would be gratefully received.
As would any kind donations or swops (I will pay postage) please IM me or reply here.
Thank you for reading
Simon
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Hi Simon, they look like regular Eranthis hyemalis to me....which is very beautiful in its own right.
The only named ones which are "regularly" available are 'Schwefelglanz' (apricot coloured in bud (see attachment) and straw-yellow when the flower opens, 'Grünling': single green-yellow flowered one, 'Grünspecht': double green-yellow flowered one, 'Flore Pleno': double flowering form, 'Winterzauber': a very early, smaller flowered cultivar and maybe 'Noël Ayres' : a filled green-yellow flowering one. There are in total only 31 named cultivars (I know of) but a lot of them are only being grown in the gardens of the persons who found them or in very small quantities. Sometimes you might find a rarity (like 'Hafod', 'All Saints', 'Lady lamortagne', Gothenburg', 'Orange Glow' or 'Orange Pips') offered on plantsales.
You can try here for sale:
Monksilver Nurseries (Joe Sharman) (you have to contact him by e-mail to ask which cultivars he might have for sale): http://www.monksilvernursery.co.uk/ (http://www.monksilvernursery.co.uk/)
Nijssen (in Autumn): http://www.pcnijssen.nl/v2/category.php?id_category=188 (http://www.pcnijssen.nl/v2/category.php?id_category=188)
Andreas Händel (you have to contact him through his contact-form to get his sales-list of Eranthis): http://www.misterhepatica.de/ (http://www.misterhepatica.de/)
Wilko Hofstede (at the bottom of this webpage): http://www.convallaria.nl/EN/ListEN.html (http://www.convallaria.nl/EN/ListEN.html)
Hope this helps!
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Wim
Thank you so much, a very helpful reply.
I will follow up with the contacts you suggest.
Simon
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I have seen (and bought) a cultivar named 'Pauline' http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Other_Genera/Eranthis/list/pauline/pauline.htm (http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Other_Genera/Eranthis/list/pauline/pauline.htm) at a plant sale. It is similar but not identical to 'Schwefelglanz'.
Regular Eranthis hyemalis sets seed very readily in my garden so spreads like the clappers. Some of the named cultivars also set seed but I haven't had any long enough to grow a seedling to flowering size. Presumably the stock of named cultivars is maintained by some sort of division of the corms?
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I have seen (and bought) a cultivar named 'Pauline' http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Other_Genera/Eranthis/list/pauline/pauline.htm (http://www.judyssnowdrops.co.uk/Other_Genera/Eranthis/list/pauline/pauline.htm) at a plant sale. It is similar but not identical to 'Schwefelglanz'.
Regular Eranthis hyemalis sets seed very readily in my garden so spreads like the clappers. Some of the named cultivars also set seed but I haven't had any long enough to grow a seedling to flowering size. Presumably the stock of named cultivars is maintained by some sort of division of the corms?
Pauline:
E. hyemalis ‘Pauline’: found in Petersfield Garden by Patricia Dale in 1986, named for Pauline Dean. Flowers earlier than 'Schwefelglanz, flowers have a looser form than 'Schwefelglanz' and the colours of the bud and the nectaries and opened flower are a bit paler than 'Schwefelglanz'.
Named cultivars are increased by division of the tubers indeed!
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Thanks Wim; I learn so much on this forum. Is Pauline the palest form there is?
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I don't see much difference. Maybe I'll take a petal off each to see how they differ
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Schwefelglanz is not very stable in colour
The colour change here during the flowering period
It's getting paler
Roland
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Schwefelglanz is not very stable in colour
The colour change here during the flowering period
It's getting paler
Roland
Yes, it starts as apricot in bud and gets paler as the flower gets older.
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Thanks Wim; I learn so much on this forum. Is Pauline the palest form there is?
Hi Alan,
there are a few other pale forms ('Birte', 'Moonlight', 'Ruth Treff') but those aren't for sale yet. Of those that are for sale, 'Pauline' and 'Schwefelglanz' are the palest and 'Pauline' is a bit more pale than 'Schwefelglanz'. The palest form I've ever seen is an unnamed form, you can see that one here: http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Complete%20Collection/Ranunculaceae%20-%202/Eranthis/slides/Eranthis%20hyemalis%20pale%20form%200002.html (http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Complete%20Collection/Ranunculaceae%20-%202/Eranthis/slides/Eranthis%20hyemalis%20pale%20form%200002.html)
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I don't see much difference. Maybe I'll take a petal off each to see how they differ
That would be interesting!
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Eranthis 'Orange Pips' in pot, compared with 'Orange Glow'. Both very lovely but to be honest I suspect that without a label, even their mother would have a job telling them apart.
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Eranthis 'Orange Pips' in pot, compared with 'Orange Glow'. Both very lovely but to be honest I suspect that without a label, even their mother would have a job telling them apart.
Gail, this is what I have as differences (next to the fact that 'Orange Glow' was found in Denmark in 1950 and 'Orange Pips' in England) 'Orange Pips has larger flowers and flowers earlier than 'Orange Glow', also the anthers of 'Orange Pips' have an intenser colour.
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Gail, this is what I have as differences (next to the fact that 'Orange Glow' was found in Denmark in 1950 and 'Orange Pips' in England) 'Orange Pips has larger flowers and flowers earlier than 'Orange Glow', also the anthers of 'Orange Pips' have an intenser colour.
Thanks Wim. I wouldn't say there is a significant difference as to size or anther colour but I can't give a true comparison when one is pot-grown and the other in the ground. I'll plant Pips out and report back next year.....
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Is it worth to keep so many names with so minor differences?
Janis
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Is it worth to keep so many names with so minor differences?
Janis
Have you ever looked at Galanthus cultivar, Janis ;) Just kidding, naming forms with small differences is stupid in my view too, but I'd keep these two apart because they originated from two very different place; 'Orange Glow' as a found seedling in Denmark in 1950 and 'Orange Pips' as a seedling of 'Noël Ayres' half of century later in England.
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I never was galanthophile, although I have very good friends between them, but personally I regard this as some form of illness. But may be others look on croconuts in same way... ;D even regarding to species...
Janis
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I agree with you Janos
If a specialist can't see the difference if they are mixed up
it's not worth naming them
better just give a nice one a number
so it isn't lost for breeding
Roland
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I have ventured outside of the Galanthus area - hello anyone who doesn't know me. :) Reading the last few posts has been interesting for me.
Today I spent some time taking pictures of the Eranthis I have growing in my little garden so far. I got my first few in Nettetal 2 years ago and have since added a few more. When I was resizing the pictures I did wonder if I could identify them without the label.
I still love them in the garden and intend to add more - but think I am going to need a lot of practice to tell them all apart. Galanthus are so much easier! ;)
1 - What I got as 'Orange Glow' - does this look correct?
2 - What I got as 'Schlyters Orange' - does this look correct?
3 - one I was given - presumably hyemalis?
4 - another I was given - presumably a slightly different hyemalis?
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And some doubles:
1 - 'Lady Lamortagne' - one I think I might stand a change of recognising.
2 - flore plena seedling1
3 - flore plena seedling2
4 - flore plena seedling3
5 - Grunling - got from Nettatal but not sure it is right?
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Hi John,
glad to see you outside of the white-green world ;D
Your orange forms could be correct, but the flowers have started to wither, so I'm not sure. 'Schlyters Orange' is not distuingishable from 'Orange Glow', it might be the same form or a comparable form which developed in a different place....
The two following pics are two slightly different forms of E. hyemalis indeed...very nice too.
'Lady Lamortagne' is a super form, growing taller than normal E. hyemalis and a semi-filled form.
E. hyemalis, Flore Pleno comes in all forms and shapes...only really different ones should be named.
E. hyemalis 'Grunling' is correct!
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3 - one I was given - presumably hyemalis?
4 - another I was given - presumably a slightly different hyemalis?
To me they look somewhat like a hyemalis X cilicica hybrid.
Poul
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Eranthis pinnatifida in the open garden today and Eranthis tubergenii Guinea Gold in a frame.
Poul
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To me they look somewhat like a hyemalis X cilicica hybrid.
Poul
Possibly, there's a bit of bronze in the first ones leaf and the second ones leaf is more finely dissected. That would make them E. x tubergenii.
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Eranthis pinnatifida in the open garden today and Eranthis tubergenii Guinea Gold in a frame.
Poul
Very nice, Poul. They are both a lot earlier than over here...seems Denmark is having better weather than Belgium for the moment! ;)
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John your E. x tubergenii / SRGC_Hyemalis2.jpg look fantastic.
Some of my Guinea Gold are in full flower while others are just coming up
I have my first self sown Orange Glow seedling flowering
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Eranthis hyemalis yesterday with honey bees collecting pollen.
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Your bees, Roma?
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To me they look somewhat like a hyemalis X cilicica hybrid.
Possibly, there's a bit of bronze in the first ones leaf and the second ones leaf is more finely dissected. That would make them E. x tubergenii.
Thank you - I'll leave them as unlabeled for now but you have given me something to read up on. The first one definitely had much darker leaves.
E. hyemalis, Flore Pleno comes in all forms and shapes...only really different ones should be named.
It was a little pot of un-flowered seedlings I got from Nettetal 2 years ago. Of the 3 seedlings flowering this year for the first time I think I like the third one best as it looks to have the most petals.
This also reminded me that there is another picture I forgot to post yesterday of one I purchased in Norfolk during 2011 named Eranthis hyemalis 'All Saints'.
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Wonderful plants, Roma & Mark.
John, 'All Saints' is a very good double, found during the Galanthus Gala of 2009.
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A few E. hyemalisvarieties in the garden today:
. 'Grünling'
. 'Noël Ayres'
. 'Orange Glow'
. 'Schwefelglanz'
Note: Somebody (I think John F. asked 'Where is my 'Pauline ?' Our Pauline's heads are just above groundlevel for the moment unlike the other varieties, so 'John' look once more !)
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Fantastic pictures of Eranthis.
Today there was sun and I was looking on my Eranthis pinnatifida and I could see dust on the anthers, so my pollination is a success ;D
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Your bees, Roma?
Yes, Mark. My husband used to keep lots of bees. He had 70 hives at one time and had 40-50 for a few years. He lost them all a couple of times a few years ago and started again with swarms which landed in empty hives. We didn't have any last spring but the two swarms which arrived last summer are still alive so I hope we get a better summer this year.
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Just opened winter cover in greenhouses and earliest of Eranthis greeted me with flowers - Eranthis cilicica from Turkey, near Akseki.
Janis
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Just opened winter cover in greenhouses and earliest of Eranthis greeted me with flowers - Eranthis cilicica from Turkey, near Akseki.
Janis
Very nice, Janis. Is this form earlier than other E. cilicica forms?
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Very nice, Janis. Is this form earlier than other E. cilicica forms?
Yes, it is the first and single one of several cilicica stocks blooming now. It was in flowers below cover. Only late evening I noted that first flowers opened Eranthis stellata, too. But it was too dark for picturing.
Janis
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Eranthis pinnatifida, an albino form. This plant is the latest bloomer in my stocks.
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Eranthis pinnatifida, an albino form. This plant is the latest bloomer in my stocks.
Very beautiful form, Tatsuo!
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I saw this beautiful form of Eranthis is Ray Cobbs garden
(http://i1078.photobucket.com/albums/w481/davey1970/DSCF1794_zpsb1ccf297.jpg)
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yellow flushed with orange - very nice
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yellow flushed with orange - very nice
Mark it stopped me in my tracks,i think Ray is very happy with it,Tony Willis might know a little more about it.
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it stopped me in my tracks
Coming from you Davey that makes me want to grow this plant. 8)
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Coming from you Davey that makes me want to grow this plant. 8)
8) 8) ;D ;D
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I saw this beautiful form of Eranthis is Ray Cobbs garden
Wow, that's wonderful, Davey. Collected in Italy, I see!
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Yes Wim grown from seed and its a good doer he has it in a few spots,he did say its not named yet so i think it will be in the future.
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A poor galanthophile`s joy: Eranthis in Green
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A poor galanthophile`s joy: Eranthis in Green
:o :o :o Incredible!
Janis
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Wim, Janis
this Eranthis was selected in 1995 in a small nursery near Berlin.
But the nursery no longer exist.
In honour to the late owner and gifted gardener it is named
ANDENKEN AN JOHANNES RASCHKE.
This is the only and correct name in correspondence with the family of the late gardener.
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Wim, Janis
this Eranthis was selected in 1995 in a small nursery near Berlin.
But the nursery no longer exist.
In honour to the late owner and gifted gardener it is named
ANDENKEN AN JOHANNES RASCHKE.
This is the only and correct name in correspondence with the family of the late gardener.
That's great, Hagen. A wonderful form named for a Gardening-Giant!
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A poor galanthophile`s joy: Eranthis in Green
Are the anthers now petals?
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Are the anthers now petals?
Yes!
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a warm and sunny day, in flower:
Eranthis hyemalis 'Schwefelglanz' and
'' '' 'Orange Glow' 2 x outside
'' stellata in a pot
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So ein schöner stellata so ganz aus der Nähe. Und in der Nähe auch noch. Toll!!!
A fine stellata in a big pic. Fantastic!!!
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Hagen, many thanks and welcome to a visit.
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I have to agree with Hagen, Dirk. A superb E. stellata!
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Thanks Wim,
now before the announced winter weather, here is Eranthis cilicica from the Mor Dagh, east Turkey on the Iranian border in blossom. This form holds out here already some years outside without protection.
A comparison between the normal Eranthis hyemalis in front on the left, 'Orange Glow' behind and 'Schwefelglanz' in front on the right.
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Super plants and pics.
Eranthis cilicica in bulb bed.
Eranthis hyemalis in garden
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Thanks Wim,
now before the announced winter weather, here is Eranthis cilicica from the Mor Dagh, east Turkey on the Iranian border in blossom. This form holds out here already some years outside without protection.
That E. cilicica seems to be a very good form...it has formed a very nice clump.
Super plants and pics.
Eranthis cilicica in bulb bed.
Eranthis hyemalis in garden
Very nice clumps, Franz!
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Very nice Eranthis, Dirk and Franz!
Here a few from my garden
Eranthis hyemalis
Eranthis tubergenii 'Guinea Gold'
Poul
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Super plants and pics.
Eranthis cilicica in bulb bed.
Eranthis hyemalis in garden
I didn't realize you have yellow snow in Austria, Frans ! 8)
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It seems that everywhere Eranthis blooming ended. Here two pictures of Eranthis longistipitata
The first - plant from Khirghizstan, but same I saw in Kazahstan and in Uzbekistan, too.
In other two entries are form growing in Iran (WHIR) on Kopet-dag ridge. Distinctly more orange in shade.
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Janis, this orange is reality??Wow.
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Janis, this orange is reality??Wow.
I second that wow!
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Yes, it is very close to real colour. With blooming it slightly fades but still keeps orange shade. It was one of plants which I specially searched in Iran during WHIR trip after I saw similar one collected there by Henrik Zetterlund from Gothenburg BG. I was very happy when in some gully at streams bank found few plants still with few remnants of flower, confirming its colour.
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In the area where I live there are some 'parks' with large areas of naturalised Eranthis hyemalis. This Eranthis typically flowers from early January hereabouts, but even now you can still sometimes see the odd flower or patch of flowers still out. Can someone tell me if these particular plants will always be late-flowering? Or has some odd circumstance or unusual micro-climate caused late-flowering that would not be repeated another year or if the plant was moved.
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Just came back from a short trip to Hailuogou, and thought some of you might be interested in these pictures of Eranthis lobulata var. elatior (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008004). If there's enough interest I may be able to go back and collect seeds, but I'm afraid they will end up being more precious than gold - it's not a cheap place to travel.
Quoting Flora of China:
Sepals and petals unknown.
(I've just awoken from my winter hibernation, will reply a couple of emails tomorrow! :-[ )
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WOW, they're real...thanks for sharing those pictures here, Bjørnar! Now just some seeds indeed...but I'm not capable of sponsoring your trip I'm afraid ;)