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Specific Families and Genera => Pleione and Orchidaceae => Topic started by: Hans J on January 04, 2013, 12:53:27 PM
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Eine Frage an alle deutschen Pleionen Sammler :
Wo kauft Ihr Sphagnum Moos für Eure Pflanzen ?
Danke
Hans
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Hier
http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sphagnum-Moos-5-KG-1-A-Qualitat-getrocknet-gepresst-/120686315832?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D4639848346592997468%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D120686315832%26 (http://www.ebay.de/itm/Sphagnum-Moos-5-KG-1-A-Qualitat-getrocknet-gepresst-/120686315832?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D4639848346592997468%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D120686315832%26)
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Thank you Maren - do you buy your sphagnum in Germany ?
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Not usually, I have a couple of suppliers in England but they are out of stock at the moment. I should have bought it last year when there was supply. But of course you never know when suppliers are going to run out. :(
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I use moldered wood for all pleiones. Sphagnum is doing well in a little
trough, but not in great quantity. It is available in the flower warehouse.
But I have no idea about the price.
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Thank you Uli !
Hans
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Hello
HAPPY NEW YEAR FOR ALL
Christian
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Happy New Year to all of you.
I have just bought some pleiones from Ian Butterfield and they arrived today....... Yes I know, I'm a lucky devil.
As a free gift, Ian included a bulb named Pleione Orizaba 'Grass Owl'. Do any of you know that one. I know the pleione Orizaba 'Fish Eagle', but have newer heard of this one. Do any have a picture of it or do I need to wait to flowering time ;)
Regards
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hi erf i recieved a pleione orizaba grass owl from ian last year， it is a tall grower with pinkish sepals and petals，ouiet vigorous。
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And so my season begins, with Wharfedale Pine Warbler, which in truth is a little late, but nice to have flowers in the greenhouse this early in the year.
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Thank you pseudobulb. I will look forward to see it flower. Quite a big bulb
Erling
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Does anyone know about what I'm calling the "musical" pleiones? Ebay and some continental traders are carrying a series of pleiones named Verdi, Rossini, Vivaldi. I cannot find any mention of their parentage. They are certainly not in Paul Cumbleton's list and a websearch brings up only the sellers' pages. Now I know the dutch have started marketing cypripediums with trade names, Kentucky Pink Blush, Kentucky Maxi etc. Has that now spread to pleiones or is some hybridist releasing new crosses on to the market? Any thoughts!
Just checked suppliers' prices and they are very cheap so highly unlikely to be new hybrids.
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Hi Steve,
I've not heard of these before, but personally I'd pass on purchasing them as they are not registered hybrids (yet) or species. It's interesting that a commercial grower is starting to sell Pleione to the general public.... It will be imore nteresting to see if they sell well..... Does this also mean that pleione have been mass produced by meristeming?
This has been tried before. I was surprised to see some P.formosana for sale two years ago on a stand selling the usual fritillary daffodil etc bulbs in my local florist from a big producer of bulbs.... I forget who. The bulbs were producing leaves in the clear plastic bag already. I had to buy them as they were on sale for a few pounds. They did very well and continue to do so.
Regards, Kevin
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Hello ,
I've also seen ads on ebay , so I try find (Vivaldi,Rossini,Verdi) I think these new species name is not existing in the official lists , but are products derived from Field Crop industrial shope that these species do not spread too much, to avoid confusion.
Cordially
Christian
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Thanks Kevin, I had no intention of buying, but was just curious. Ebay prices for pleiones are quite high this year and these seem to be attracting a few bids, which is sad if they are just formosana with trade names. As for the prepacked "Formosana" I have it from a good source that most of them are Tongariro which are very vigourous bulbs, perfect for newcomers growing pleione, but they are definitely not formosana. Tongariro seems to be the favourite with certain large bulb companies, but I have seen the same bulbs marketed as formosana, pleionoides, limprictii and pleionoides/limprictt whatever that means. I bought one of each to test, flowers absolutely identical. Like you I'm a sucker for bulbs which are flowering / producing leaves in the bags and usually wind up doing a deal with the garden centres to rescue them. My wife calls them refugees, but then she's just as bad with prepacked acers and camellias. ;D ;D
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If you google Pleione 'Rossini' lots of nurseries seem to be selling it. I checked Paul Christian's website. He lists these 'musical' pleiones as clones of Pleione formosana. Rossini apparently regularly produces two flowers per stem and often two stems per bulb. I bought a bulb of 'Rossini' from John Amand at the SRGC Discussion weekend at the end of September. It was a big fat bulb with a large leaf when it should really have been starting to go dormant. The leaf did eventually die back and I have two bulbs for next year. A good size but not as big as the original.
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the musical series of pleiones are definately named clones of pleione formosana，isaw them first offered by living colour bulbs、jaques amand last spring。 they also featured on the jaques amand display at the 2012 chelsea flower show。they have been registerd with the rhs as new cultivar selections ect，they come from a dutch nursery。there is a short video showing these growing at the nursery on utube， just enter pleione and trawl trough the listings。 hope this is of help happy growing
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I googled Pleione vivaldi and verdi before I originally posted, but not Rossini, still we all make mistakes. Thank you. Question answered. Seriously though, they are formosana clones and should be advertised as such. Though, as elsewhere on the forum, I suspect some people will say "what's in a name?" Trouble is that I've got a thing about formosana clones so I feel an experiment coming on. Watch out credit card!
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Pleione formosana 'Rossini'
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Hi, yes these 'musical' pleiones, interesting. I believe they are formosana with fancy names, probably mericloned. They seem to come from Holland, where mericloning has been perfected to a fine art. I too was reminded of the cypripedium species with names that make them look like hybrids, easier to export outside the EU.
Back to pleiones, just for fun I bought 'Verdi', which looked very nice in a pot of seven, all identical, which is quite pleasing to the eye. However, they did not make good replacement bulbs and no bulbils. I haven't bothered this year. :)
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Yes, the musical Pleiones are selections of formosana made by the Dutch nursery
Kwekeridj De Schullhorn. You can see them on their website at this page:
http://kwekerijdeschullhorn.nl/?page_id=35 (http://kwekerijdeschullhorn.nl/?page_id=35)
Being cultivars (not hybrids) they do not appear in the register of hybrid names. For my taste, none of them are particularly good selections for colour etc, they don't stand out in any way over some of the other (better) named forms of formosana.
Paul
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Good afternoon,
First we wish you all the best for 2013.
To clarify:
Pleione Rossini, Verdi and Vivaldi are new selections (selected by our nursery) from Pleione formosana. Our nursery (www.kwekerijdeschullhorn.nl (http://www.kwekerijdeschullhorn.nl)) brings them to market from 2011. Our miscellaneous bulbs and Pleiones are supplied to export, trade and mail order companies (both at home and abroad) so that is why you find these new varieties at several websites. We only supply Pleiones with a diameter of 3 or 4 cm.
These varieties are registered at the RHS and were published in Orchid Review Supplement 119(1294): 39 (June 2011). The text of this Supplement can be downloaded from the RHS website.
We also think some people multiply them themselves because they are offered at ebay.
If you have any questions and/or remarks, please send us an email: info@kwekerijdeschullhorn.nl or info@bulbs-bollen.nl
With kind regards,
Linda de Goede
Nursery Kwekerij De Schüllhorn
The Netherlands
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Thank you Wim, that really is the definitive answer! Now I know!
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Apparently, the RHS also registers cultivars. I have to admit, I didn't know that. Here is the extract from the quoted document:
New cultivars of Pleione formosana
The following three cultivars have been selected and named by Wim de Goede of Kwekerij De Schüllhorn, Kleiweg 2, 1761 LA Anna Paulowna, the Netherlands. A digital image and a herbarium voucher (Standard Specimen) of each cultivar is deposited at WSY. Colour references are to the RHS Colour Chart (2001).
P. formosana ‘Verdi’
Description: Pseudobulbs large, 3.5cm tall x c.3cm diameter, conical, deep green. Flowering stems 1–2 per pseudobulb, 9–13cm tall, each bearing one flower. Bract spathiform, pink. Flower natural spread 8–9cm. Sepals 4.3–4.5cm x 0.9–1.2cm wide, lanceolate, light pink-purple (Purple Group 76A-B) with darker veins. Petals 4.3–4.9cm x 0.9–1.1cm wide at broadest point, lanceolate, same colour as sepals. Lip white, 4.5cm long in total, folded around column forming a tube 3.5cm long; mid-lobe 2.7cm wide, margin fimbriate, fimbriae 2–3mm. Callus of 5 weakly toothed ridges, central one shallow, outer 2 ridges only half the length of the tube, 2 ridges either side of midrib reaching to both ends of tube, tube opening wider than tall, pink stripes and blotches present along floor of tube amongst callus ridges extending to tube base. Column white, winged near apex, anther cap white.
P. formosana ‘Rossini’
Description: Pseudobulbs large, to 4cm diameter, oblate. Flower stems 2 per pseudobulb, each bearing 1–2 blooms so that each pseudobulb bears 3 blooms, stem length 5–9cm, bracts spathiform, pink. Flower natural spread 6–7.5cm. Sepals warm pink (Red-purple N74B-C), 4.3–5cm x 1.1–1.3cm wide. Petals warm pink, same colour as sepals, 4.3–5.2cm x 1.1–1.55cm wide, apex rounded to acute. Lip 4.4–4.6cm long, tube 3.3–3.5cm long, opening often taller than wide, margin fimbriate to denticulate, fimbriae coarse, 1–2mm; colour pale pink (Red-purple Group 65C-D), with blotches and lines a little darker, and darker than clone 1; callus of 5 ridges as clone 1. Column white, winged below apex.
P. formosana ‘Vivaldi’
Description: Pseudobulbs conical, c.3cm diameter, reddish-green. Flower stems 1–2 per pseudobulb, each bearing 1–2 blooms, 6–10cm tall; bracts spathiform, dark purple-pink (Red-Purple Group 71A). Flower natural spread, 8.5–10cm. Sepals 5.3–6.2cm x 1–1.4cm wide, pink-purple (Red-Purple Group 73A). Petals 5.7–6.0cm x 0.9–1.4cm wide, same colour as sepals. Lip 5–5.8cm long, tube 4–4.3cm, opening 2–2.3cm wide x c.1cm high, margin fimbriate, fimbriae 2–3mm; colour light pink exterior and interior margin (Purple Group 75B), yellow tinge on floor of tube extending into front mid-lobe, pale pink blotches and lines on mid-lobe extending into tube amongst callus ridges.
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Here's another question for you experts out there. My humilis are in full bud. I was thinking about bringing them in for two reasons;
1, so I might actually see them without a torch
2 To protect them from the minus a trillion degrees forecast for the next few nights.
Seriously it was minus 7 here last night, minus thirteen over in Norfolk and the weekend's supposedly going to be colder.
Last year minus 17 outside produced minus 7 inside the greenhouse and the rest of the pleione were fine except for the humilis and forresti whose buds just turned to brown mush.
But as I ventured out to retrieve the pots my wife chipped in with "Will they like the change in temperature?"
"Good question," thinks I.
Your thoughts please!
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I would do it during the day. But if you flower them in the house, where it's warm, the flowers won't last as long. And if you have a cold room and put them there, then you won't see them either. ;)
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The humilis can stay put. Silly cold no longer forecast!
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It really is cold these nights, also in Denmark. But for me it is not a problem, since I keep them in the fridge until they are ready to plant. Inside I have a nice cold room with temperature from 5-10 C. Today the new spring flowering season started with Pleione Sirena. This clone is very much humilis and very, very little forrestii. But a promising start of the new flowering season :) :) :)
Regards Erling
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As for the prepacked "Formosana" I have it from a good source that most of them are Tongariro which are very vigourous bulbs, perfect for newcomers growing pleione, but they are definitely not formosana. Tongariro seems to be the favourite with certain large bulb companies, but I have seen the same bulbs marketed as formosana, pleionoides, limprictii and pleionoides/limprictt whatever that means.
Based on the info above I've dug out an image of my P.formosana which I bought from a large bulb company as mentioned previously. I'm now wondering if these are not P.Tongariro?
(http://sphotos-e.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/312322_10151450239857704_1142450175_n.jpg)
Any thoughts would be helpful.
Thanks.
Kevin
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hi kevin i consider these to be to be pleione tongariro， i have had similar experiances prepacked pleione formosana have turned out to be tongariro，also i have had from a well known bulb supplier pleione tongariro labeled formosana. it can be cofusing to those just starting out on pleione growing。
regards pseudobulb
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Hello Kevin,
Yes it is Pleione Tongariro , I also was surprised at two suppliers , one sold my formosana Pl. and Pl. was Tongariro and the other sold my Tongariro Pl. , Pl. formosana and it was !
Yet formosana Pl. is light pink and dark pink Tongariro Pl. much more !
Christian
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Hi Kevin,
they look like Tongariro to me, too. Very nice bowl, well grown and uniform, congratulations. Don't be too disappointed, Tongariro is such a good pleione, reliable, pretty, long lasting and prolific. But if it isn't what you paid for, you should take it back. Maybe it's too late for that, but in future, keep your receipt. Then if your purchase isn't what you expected, the seller should replace it or give you your money back.
Labelling errors can happen in the best kept nurseries, but if it's done deliberately and on a large scale, that's very naughty. I notice that some of the larger bulb suppliers can't even get the name right in their glossy catalogues / packaging and continue to advertise Pleione formosana as Pleione formosanum!!! I have given up writing to them because my gentle advice is invariably ignored. ;)
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Thanks to everyone who replied to my photo and let me know their thoughts.
I will amend my labels and have another think about possible hybrids for next year.
Kind regards, kevin
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Pleione humilis starting here. Below is a nice form with deep red lip markings from Ian Butterfield.
Alex
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I like it Ales ! Very nice !
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I have just bought some pleiones from Ian Butterfield and they arrived today....... Yes I know, I'm a lucky devil.
As Erling already received his order on January 7th I'm a bit nervous - nothing here so far. :-\
What about all the others of you? Is Ian just a bit later this year?
Kind regards Thomas
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I received mine some 10 days ago Thomas.
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Hello Alex ,
Humilis lip red very nice , it is a spring !
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I also received my order from Ian ago in about 10 days , I think it will happen !
Spring come in , the Pleiones start budded , the first flowers will soon !
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Thomas, would you like me to ask Ian if he has sent yours? I'd need your last name, though. :) :) :)
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Pleione humilis is the first one in flower. Just lovely! :D
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Very nice clone of P. humilis Thomas. I've never seen the markings like this on petals of humilis before. ;)
K.
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I like your P. humilis - very fine clone. I have Pln. Eiger flowering.
Erling
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A few newly bought Pleiones opened recently. Expectations very high because of a little spur. But they opened as humilis with dark red lip. Origin: China
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More humilis here! This form originates from Springwood Pleiones.
Alex
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Hello everybody !
Go ! the first Pleiones begin to bloom !
- P. limprichtii 'Early Lavander' ( two flowers !)
- P. Iris Butterfield (beautiful yellow)
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I think I could fall in love with Iris, Sottych ! :P ;)
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Thank you Luc ,
Yes P. Iris Butterfield is very beautiful and it is a first flower with a spring ! (winter here now -5°C !)
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HELLO,
Here the Pleiones are in bloom , formosana 'Clare' and Voltolini .
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Hi all,
this is my first flower of 2013. I only bought this orange Pln.humilis this year so I cant take credit for the flower. Unfortunately the purple Pln.humilis I bought decided to abort it's flower for some reason. Shame as I was looking forward to seeing them both in flower. Oh well, there's always next year.
(http://sphotos-c.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-prn1/r270/417731_10151567432977704_1537490560_n.jpg)
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Beautiful your orange Pleione Humilis
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Hello everybody ! :)
I have been interested in orchids for over 14 years. I grow several types of them at home. These are mainly hybrids of Cattleya.
I am also charmed by Pleiones. Due to the fact that they are practically unattainable in here except Pleione formosana I have been cultivating different species and crosses for only 3 years.
The blooms season of my Pleiones just started:
Pleione humilis, Pleione Hekla 'Partridge' and big surprise Pleione Zeus Weinstein.
'The surprise' as the color of flowers is different than last year. Is it normal in these hybrids?
Regards,
Tamar
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Welcome Tamar!
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Hello Tamar and welcome!
Flower colours in pleione hybrids can show some variation from season to season. P. Zeus Weinstein is well known for that. It sometimes produces colour breaks, depending on climate variability during the development of the flower bud.
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Thank you for the warm welcome! :)
Maren, thank you for the explanation. In this case, I am looking forward to blooming Pln Zeus Weinstein 'Desert Sands'. I wonder if this clone will also be another than a year ago.
And pictures that I made today: Pleione Zeus Weinstein again :) and Pleione which I bought as albiflora.
By the way I would like to ask experts, is it really this one species?
Kind regards,
Tamar
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Hi Tamar, this is P. grandiflora not albiflora.
K.
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Maren, you can be right about these unusual coloration on P. Zeus Weinstein, however I'm always a little bit suspicious in this case, because P. Z.W. is very often attacked by virus. And I personally know at least one nursery in England which sell virotic plants (we analysed them last year). So I always recommend to growers put the plants like this into quarantine and tested them for virus.
K.
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Hi Tamar,
I agree with Karel, that is P. grandiflora. Pleione albiflora is quite rare. It has been described as looking like a larger form of P. humilis, with which it is related. You can tell the difference by looking at the dorsal sepal. In albiflora it is straight, in grandiflora it is twisted at the top. also the pattern on the lip is different: P. albiflora more like humilis with lines down the 10cm of the centre and spotting to the left and right of the centre. P. grandiflora is spotted and has no stripes.
A good picture can be seen here (http://www.google.co.uk/search?q=pleione+albiflora&hl=en&client=firefox-a&hs=rXh&rls=org.mozilla:en-GB:official&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=z_Q-Uf-zI8f07AaJ74CACg&ved=0CAoQ_AUoAQ&biw=1247&bih=870#imgrc=CdS2KRbKuxcTIM%3A%3BEuk9DYz6PwWdGM%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.orchideenwlodarczyk.de%252Fshop%252Fcatalog%252Fimages%252Fpleione_albiflora2_popup.jpg%3Bhttp%253A%252F%252Fwww.orchideenwlodarczyk.de%252Fshop%252Fcatalog%252Fpleione-albiflora-p-576.html%3B430%3B310).
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Karel,
your comments on P. Zeus Weinstein are interesting. How do you test for virus?
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Hi Maren, we analysed them by ELISA test and by electron-microscopy laboratory in Crop Research Institute Prague, Czech Republic, Department of Virology. In several items we found a presence of filamentous viruses, with particles length from 430 to 3300 nm or spherical viruses 55 nm. Symptoms on a petals were very similar like Tamar's one.
K.
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Maren and Karel, thank you very much for the answer.
Your opinion made me sad. Firstly, I received once again a different Pleione instead of the one I paid for. :(
Maren, thanks for the pictures. I have seen them before and they just aroused suspicions about the correct name of my plant.
The funny thing is that I have been looking for Pleione grandiflora for 2 years and now it turn out I had it all the time at home. In that way I bought once more pseudobulbs of this species last year. Now new pseudobulbs have shoots, so soon I will be able to compare they flowers.
Karel, you worried me the information about virus. I really have to look for an institution where Pleione Zeus Weinstein will be examine!
And by the way I wonder if virused Pleione could grow with such vigour? ??? I bought one adult pseudobulbs a year ago now I have two with four shoots. The flowers are much larger than a year earlier.
And about discoloration on petals, Pleione Harlequin 'Norman' was the same a year ago for example...
Regards,
Tamar
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Hi Tamar, there is not the same. On the pictures bellow you can see P. Harlequin ‘Norman’ compared to P. Soufriere. You can see, that P. Harlequin ‘Norman’ has a smooth discoloration on the petals – it is a consequence of breeding and selection. Whereas P. Soufriere has uneven bordered discoloration – you can see the virus we found on this plant. All Pleiones we tested, grew very vigorously, they had regular amount of bulbils and usually were without discoloration on leaves. However, some of the other plants with the same symptoms were free of virus.
So, I just think that a caution is very important in this case. Ian Butterfield told me he destroys all plants which look odd.
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Hmmm, I'm afraid I don't have your facilities. But I could make enquiries. I am sure equivalent institutions exist in this country. Perhaps someone on the forum knows???
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Pleione pleionoides
(http://img811.imageshack.us/img811/4663/dscf3550lj.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/dscf3550lj.jpg/)
Pleione yunnanensis
(http://img820.imageshack.us/img820/1816/a00003r.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/820/a00003r.jpg/)
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Hi Hakone, sorry to disappoint you, however your P. yunnanensis is not true! I think it is P. x barbarae. I also doubt about your P. pleionoides because they never have a barbate lamellae. So, I think that they are also P. x barbarae or some hybrid.
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Hello everyone,
First of all a quick introduction. I've been reading the forum for years and finally joined last year because of the treasure of information to be found on this forum! I haven't engaged with it so far because there is a danger of becoming hooked and stop doing the actual gardening... I grow all sorts of things, but focus on Pleione, Cyclamen, Arisaema, Arum, Corydalis, ... ,..., is there an end??
There are so many topics I have queries about though, that I take the plunge now.
The trigger to join in the discussion is the topic about colour breaks on certain hybrids. I've been reading the old threads with interest because one of my first plants, Pleione Eiger, showed signs of this in its second year. I decided to go with the theory that it was caused by an uneven storage temperature. Mine do not go in a fridge but sit in bags in an unheated but frost-free conservatory where it can occasionally get a bit warmer than ideal in the winter months.
Last year the colour breaks were dreadful, this year it is not so bad. I dug out some pictures for comparison:
[attach=1] 2010
[attach=2] 2011
[attach=3] 2012 bud
[attach=4] 2012
[attach=5] 2013
As you can see, last year was horrible, this year the flowers are okay.
It would be great to be sure because probably like many other people I have spent a considerable amount of money on different species and hybrids, but in most cases only one bulb of each so it seems a bit of a luxury to bin anything that looks a bit iffy if there might be another explanation.
It would be interesting to see what your opinions are.
(edit by maggi to add the dates)
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Ah, just seen the pictures didn't come with their names: it is 2010, 2011, 2012 bud, 2012 and 2013 respectively.
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Hi Bart,
I only can repeat what I told before. Many viral plants could be without any symptoms mainly in the year when you bought them. The virus is very often in lateral stage at “a home nursery” and it is usually activated when the plant changes some conditions. That’s why we should place all new plants into quarantine in first year and wait for the flowers in second year.
If I compare your P. Eiger 2010 with 2013, it is ill so far
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Hello all !
Thank you Maren. :)
Yesterday I sent my orchid for analysis to Department of Virology in Research Institute of Horticulture in Skierniewice. As soon as I get the result I let know.
And by the way I am glad that Karel raise an important viruses' issue. I completely did not think about this so far.
I bought the recommended preparation that protects plants and prevents from many problems including limited some viruses. The formula of this measure is based on hydrogen peroxide (H2O2) and colloidal / ironic silver.
And of course Karel, thank you for the pictures. I understand the difference, but my Pleione Harlequin 'Norman' did not have such a smooth passage of colors. They were similar to Pleione Zeus Weinstein's, like in the attached picture. I will see how it will be this year.
Regards,
Tamar
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Hi Tamar, your P. Harlequin 'Norman' looks really strangely ???
About "antivirus" preparation I have to say, that there is NO regular way how we can cure a viral plant. It is the same like a human flu. We only can suppress symptoms and put virus to lateral stage. However virus will freely creep through your collection. So, only way is fire. :(
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Interesting discussion gentlemen ! :)
Out here my first Pleiones finally started flowering :
1) Pleione eiger "To Ah"
2) Pleione eiger "To Be"
Both originating from the recross by the late Jan Berg who used Pleione formosana alba for his cross.
3) Pleione forrestii
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Hello everybody ,
blooming of my PLEIONES here is forrestii , versailles 'Bucklebbery' (after flower and in bloom) with a virus in a pink , look the picture .
P. Glacier Pink it's beautiful lip !
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And ,... P. Grandiflora 'Yellow Lip' (3 pictures) , and beautiful P. Quizapu 'Peregrine' (yellow and orange )
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And P. Rakata very big this year whit a beautiful color !
Cordialy
Christian
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Heres a short summary of mine flowering now.
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-3B0qWU0tw_s/UTXwaBAasLI/AAAAAAAAC4c/3yLpIU_VGrw/s1600/Pleione+speciosa+leppe.JPG)
Pleione speciosa
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-EDV0ubKwiVc/UTXv3BLMREI/AAAAAAAAC30/ysxZedQkQM4/s1600/Pleione+grandiflora+sm%C3%A5blm+blomst.JPG)
Pleione grandiflora
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-khCgHMHJQLo/UTXvEuCAYzI/AAAAAAAAC3k/PdhNWCBqc_c/s1600/Pleione+forrestii+hvit+leppe.JPG)
Pleione forrestii
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-mWXIy-q0HEw/UStuGO_5oXI/AAAAAAAAC2o/twbVj7iMiWU/s1600/P+forrestii+blekgulhvit+blomst.JPG)
Pleione forrestii white/light yellow
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-x2jB1i92L2A/USttNugNCzI/AAAAAAAAC1g/uKDLQmo9XAc/s1600/P+forrestii+gul+blomst.JPG)
Pleione forrestii
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_SdGVIU9RD4/UStr9V-SvGI/AAAAAAAAC00/WDtNLoCl9wo/s1600/P+forrestii+Vietnam+blomster.JPG)
Pleione forrestii
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Very nice, Snuffeldyret. :) :) :)
My P. forrestii v alba are nearly over. I showed them to Ian Butterfield and he was surprised by the very frilly lip. :)
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another pleione x barbarae
(http://img46.imageshack.us/img46/4826/nr003.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/46/nr003.jpg/)
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My pleiones formosanum starting.
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-T0Yz5ka7v1w/UUSjLGWSflI/AAAAAAAAADI/XJz1om6ICbg/s720/IMGP1900-b.jpg)
Many members have very very nice pleiones ..it's unbelievable !!
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-Mm8PldgEkNI/UT4zd4CS6-I/AAAAAAAAABQ/vKVUoVvE7Ak/s576/IMGP1804-b.jpg)
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Hello ,
Today my Pleione in bloom : - P. Michael Butterfield ( 2 pictures)
- P. formosana 'Pitlochry' (2 pictures)
- P. Piton (1 picture)
Good Day !
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hello everybody, I'm a pleione's fan from the north of France ans I discorved your forum. I want to share the photos of my pleione collection.
good day
Romain
pleione limprichtii
pleione humilis
pleione formosana 'Alba'
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Hello Romain, welcome to the forum! Nice photos of your pleiones - they are very photogenic flowers, aren't they?
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hello Maggi,
thanks ! yes, they are photogenic and i like make beauty photos of my plants ;)
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Hallo Romain, welcome. I agree with Maggi, these are really nice photos!
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Hello all, :)
I'm still waiting for the results of tests for the presence of viruses in my Pleione Zeus Weinstein.
In the meantime Pleione grandiflora bloomed and really it is very similar to the orchid which I have bought as Pln albiflora (in the first picture on the left)
And now Pln Piton is blooming for the first time, but it has completely different flowers than Pln Piton I have bought earlier (photo 3th). Are these hybrids tend to be so various, or are they different Pleiones? ???
Regards,
Tamar
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Hi Tamar,
your P. grandiflora are very nice.
About the P. Piton, there is quite a bit of variability in this hybrid. Both of your pictures look like Piton to me.
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Hi Tamar,
I like your second P. Piton a lot - very elegant shape in my opinion.
As Maren already said Piton is quite variable as one parent, P. formosana, is really variable with a lot of different forms. I guess the cross Piton has been repeated several times with different P. formosana clones. Here (http://forum.garten-pur.de/attachments/k-IMG_0665.JPG) is another picture with a large Piton compared to a "normal" form.
Regards
Thomas
P.S: Maren, did you get my message that Ian Butterfield's parcel with Pleiones did arrive at my home about a month later?
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So nice P. grandiflora !!!!
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Hello everybody !
This Pictures of Pleiones are ; - formosana 'Greenhill'
- Anstice Harris
- Krakatoa 'Wheatear'
Christian
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Here are some more, I hope that someone will tell me if I have mixed up the names.. I also need help with the name of the tiny Pleione x. It's small flowered, from Moxi, China. Rather pale in colors sadly.
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-0boO51TKDDY/UUrj0ED4UWI/AAAAAAAAC7k/5m67K9Ll2dg/s320/Pleione+grandiflora+type+2+potte.JPG)
Pleione grandiflora
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-H4V2IO3hlGI/UUrjN4nhXSI/AAAAAAAAC60/N1FKPpP2WlM/s320/Pleione+bulbocoides+muli+blomst.JPG)
Pleione bulbocoides from Muli
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-4MwJKzMT4mo/UUcD5L1LtNI/AAAAAAAAC4s/PNlBH8wRaNo/s320/Pleione+Moxi+blomst.JPG)
Pleione x
(http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-HsBvNsm5rH8/UUcGEALAbhI/AAAAAAAAC6U/uls0W_dN4jU/s320/Pleione+bulbocoides+blomst.JPG)
Another bulbocoides?
(http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-xDrPDvmJt00/UUcE18PRlqI/AAAAAAAAC58/4HhK3BMV9Gg/s1600/Pleione+bilamellata+blomst1.JPG)
Pleione bilamellata
(http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-kgVrZjEQtx8/UUcEgVsYtyI/AAAAAAAAC5M/3_Ulb-vnPXQ/s320/Pleione+speciosa+m%C3%B8rk+blomst.JPG)
Pleione speciosa type 2
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Hello , beautiful your Pleiones Snuffeldyret ,
Today my Pleione in bloom : P. formosana 'Crinoline' and P. formosana 'Snow Biting
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Is P. formosana 'Snow Biting' correct or does it = 'Snow Bunting' ???
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Pleione formosana 'Snow Bunting' it is. Maggi. Pretty name, really. ;) ;) ;)
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Pleione formosana 'Snow Bunting' it is. Maggi. Pretty name, really. ;) ;) ;)
Thanks Maren for the clarifiction.
Yes, a pretty name - and we in Scotland are fortunate to be able to see Snow Buntings in the mountains- and they are pretty little birds - tough too!
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hello,
I'm new to the forum
I'm Julien, I am in Belgium
David Maren and I know I made large orders with you this year ;D
I collect orchids for + - 12 years and 6 years Pleione
Here are some pictures of my plants
P.Eiger "Leslie Frank"
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P.Eiger "To Ah"
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P.Eiger "Pinchbeck Diamond"
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P.Zeus Weinstein
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P.Hekla
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P.yunnanensis will be reposted ..... in the next post by maggi after resizing these photos
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Welcome Julien, these flowers are fascinating, are they not?
Here is P. yunnanensis, reposted for Julien's post after resizing the photos.
[attachimg=1]
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Pleione humilis (Farrer Medal Clone)
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hello,
I'm new to the forum
I'm Julien, I am in Belgium
David Maren and I know I made large orders with you this year ;D
I collect orchids for + - 12 years and 6 years Pleione
Here are some pictures of my plants
Hello Julien ! Welcome to this wonderful Forum from a fellow Belgian !
I'm sure you will have fun here !
I think I recognize Pleione eiger "To Ah"... ;D ;D
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Hello Julien ! Welcome to this wonderful Forum from a fellow Belgian !
I'm sure you will have fun here !
I think I recognize Pleione eiger "To Ah"... ;D ;D
"To Ah" ?
Aha! Do I detect a connection to a famous Flemish VRV Tombola, perhaps? ::) 8) ;D
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;D ;D ;D
Not quite, Maggi... not quite... ;D 8) 8)
Julien has not been participating at the "world famous" VRV tombola...
... there was another way though.. :D
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Ah so! yes, I can guess that ay - but there is no doubt that the world famous VRV Tombola is a really great way toget some fantastic plants- I've been reading the list for the next event -
http://www.vrvforum.be/ (http://www.vrvforum.be/) - and there are the Talks, too! 8)
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welcome Julien !
nice flowers for all !
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Welcome to the newbies and so pleased you are Pleione lovers. You are all starting the season well. I am always a little behind most of you but P. forrestii isn't far from opening.
Keep posting its always a pleasure to see pots of Pleiones.
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thank you all for your Home
Luc yes it is one Pleione from you ;D
see you soon
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Hello Julien,
welcome on this forum. I hope you like it here. By the way, are you Julien D.........? ;) ;)
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Hello Julien,
welcome on this forum. I hope you like it here. By the way, are you Julien D.........? ;) ;)
yes yes it's me Julien Dem..... ;D
thank you Maren soon
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Hello everyone, here’s another newbie who would like to participate in this forum.
I have been interested in orchids for many years and grow several botanical ones. After reading the forum last year, and being mesmerized by the pictures of several charming Pleione flowers, my aversion for hybrids has been tempered and I’ve started to collect them. I guess the way of growing them makes them challenging and attractive in comparison with mass produced hybrids.
So I don’t have much growing experience to share, but for now I can share you my love for photography.
Starting off with four cheeky monkeys ;D
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Welcome Khadija! Each little monkey face different- how pretty - super photos!
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pleione x confusa Golden Gate HCC/AOS
(http://img11.imageshack.us/img11/5543/99109410.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/11/99109410.jpg/)
(http://img839.imageshack.us/img839/8677/70499709.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/839/70499709.jpg/)
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Hello Khadija,
welcome to the Forum. It's nice to know what you look like. Your pleione pictures are lovely. P. Snow Monkey is such a good hybrid, good looking and easy growing. I was going to put a picture on the forum but you've saved me the trouble. ;D ;D ;D
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Great to see all these beautiful Pleiones in flower - I like Snow Monkey very much! :D
Beside P. humilis my Pleiones are a bit behind this year; Zeus Weinstein and Eiger 'Snowflake' are just about to open their flowers.
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Currently flowering with me: Pleione Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl'.
I've also recorded a timelapse movie of this flower when it opened:
http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/pleione/2013-03-25_Pleione_Ueli_Wackernagel_Pearl.php (http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/pleione/2013-03-25_Pleione_Ueli_Wackernagel_Pearl.php)
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Ulrich- a super little film 8)
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Khadija,
snow monkey is a lovely thing.
Paul C's recent hybrids offered last year seem to be small bulbed but very floriferous.
Some of mine seem to be budding up on surprisingly small bulbs.
Had to bring some of the pleiones into the house last week with the weather.
Here is 'Piton'. Always the first to flower for me
Next up is Rakata 'rock dove'. Produces big bulbs like the rest of the grex.
The photo is not too good - there is more pink in it than shown but the only way to
show that would be to brave the sub zero temperatures outside,
David
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Ulrich,
what a lovely time lapse film of P. Ueli Wackernagel. It's charming. Thank you for showing it. :) :) :)
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Hello ,
Today flowering of - Pleione Lascar 'Purple Finch'
- Pleione limprichtii X P. chunii
- P. spéciosa
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Welcome Khadija! Each little monkey face different- how pretty - super photos!
Hello Khadija,
welcome to the Forum. It's nice to know what you look like. Your pleione pictures are lovely. P. Snow Monkey is such a good hybrid, good looking and easy growing. I was going to put a picture on the forum but you've saved me the trouble. ;D ;D ;D
Thank you Maggi and Maren!
Snow monkey is indeed good looking, and so diverse. I'm curious how several F-1 bulbs will flower next year.
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Currently flowering with me: Pleione Ueli Wackernagel 'Pearl'.
I've also recorded a timelapse movie of this flower when it opened:
http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/pleione/2013-03-25_Pleione_Ueli_Wackernagel_Pearl.php (http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/pleione/2013-03-25_Pleione_Ueli_Wackernagel_Pearl.php)
That's a cool movie Ulrich, thank you for sharing!
Here is 'Piton'. Always the first to flower for me
Love that excellent bowl of Piton!
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Ulrich,
that is a beautiful time lapse film.
'Pearl' is probably my favourite hybrid pleione at the moment,
Thanks,
David
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Pleione Quizapu 'Peregrine'
The petals are a little spooted. Might this be a virus?
I suspect that this is not the real clone 'Peregrine' as the petals are not orange like one can see on other photos.
Pleione Piton
I've bought this one as the clone 'Ballerina', but as the flowering time is quite short and the flower is asymmetric I'm not shure if this is true.
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I'm a pretty casual grower of pleiones; I grow them outside on a sand bed on the north side of the house. The first to flower is 'Tongariro'. It fills the planter and generally puts on a good show.
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Damn weather, sorry my language. But will this snow ever end. Just returned from a holyday in Iceland, and there the weather was mild and sunny compared with Denmark ??? ??? ???
To keep warm and mental fit, pleione flowering may do the trick. This is deffenetly a show off, but this is picture from this spring.
Regards Erling
Pleione Alishan 'Merlin' (3)
Pleione Bromo (4)
Pleione bulbocodioides GJ 1346 (3)
Pleione Eiger (2)
Pleione Eiger -Snowflake
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And a few more
Pleione El Pico Pheasant (3)
Pleione Gerry Mundey
Pleione Gläcier Peak (3)
Pleione grandiflora Crustacare (4).
Pleione Kilauea Hoopoe (3)
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and the last five
Pleione Mandalay Purple Rain (3)
Pleione Marimonda (3)
Pleione Orizaba Grass Owl (2)
Pleione Shantung 'Silver Anniversary' (4)
Pleione Whakari (2)
(edits by maggi to add photo names to text)
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Hello
The first flower of pleione of 2013.
(https://lh5.googleusercontent.com/-97vpfZS5XiE/UVXpml7R22I/AAAAAAAAAHc/_8rbBYw5xBo/s576/IMGP1975_B.jpg)
Next flower must coming soon (They are pleione formosana)
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-c7CbRJ5zXdk/UVXpnQCRGUI/AAAAAAAAAHk/0F3Ot2sqQxY/s720/IMGP1976_B.jpg)
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Some gorgeous flowers you are showing, Erling! :o
Orizaba 'Grass Owl', Marimonda and Kilauea 'Hoopoe' are particularly nice. May I ask where you got that Kilauea clone from?
Regards Thomas
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Hello ThomsB
The Pleione Kilauea Hoopoe I bought on Ebay from Koolplants. It is a very nice clone.
Regards Erling
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Pleion aurita
(http://img585.imageshack.us/img585/5356/aurita2.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/585/aurita2.jpg/)
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Hello Hakone
Pln. aurita is one of my favorits, both as a speices and when used in hybrids. Nice photo.
Regards erling
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Damn weather, sorry my language. But will this snow ever end. Just returned from a holyday in Iceland, and there the weather was mild and sunny compared with Denmark ??? ??? ???
To keep warm and mental fit, pleione flowering may do the trick.
I second your emotion Earling :D
The flowers do give a sense of spring, hope weather will change for the better soon.
At the moment Britannia 'Doreen', formosana 'Snow Bunting' and Captain Hook are flowering in my unheated bedroom.
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I didn't get around to taking pics of the first Pleiones when they were open, but here a few of the current ones:
P. Rakata 'Locking Stumps'
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P. Stromboli 'Fireball'
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P. Jorullo
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Very nice flowers Khadija and DaveP
I specialy like Pln. Captain Hook and Pln. Stromboli 'Fireball'. Thanks for sharing.
Pleione Muriel started flowering here.
Erling
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A couple of pans of 'classic' standard hybrids.
Had to bring the plants indoors to get the flower buds to extend.
The rest in the cold greenhouse are sat doing nothing in this
**** spring weather.
It won't do anything for the longevity of the individual flowers
but at least I get to see them before May.
David
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You can say that again, monocotman, doing nothing is just about it. I am biting my fingernails about the London Orchid show next week. will they or won't they flower? I used to do this when the show was in March, but we are a month later now and our plants are far behind. Fingers crossed ! ;) ;) ;)
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A couple of pans of 'classic' standard hybrids.
Had to bring the plants indoors to get the flower buds to extend.
The rest in the cold greenhouse are sat doing nothing in this
**** spring weather.
It won't do anything for the longevity of the individual flowers
but at least I get to see them before May.
David
Good looking pots, David !
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Maren,
can you try taking some pots home?
As long as they don't get any sun and you don't use plants
with small bulbs (too much stress) then it may work!
The weather is supposed to change this weekend but will that give you enough time?
I reckon from buds just starting to grow to open flowers is around two weeks.
I have mine on the floor of the kitchen diner (coolest place) in front of the north facing patio windows,
regards,
David
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David,
thanks for the suggestion, but we are talking about 500 + plants, some for display and some for sale. I have cranked up the heating in the nursery to ensure a minimum temperature of not below 5°C. But pleiones don't like to be forced. Today temperatures climbed to in excess of 30°C, just crazy, I had to rush over and tear open all the windows.
The problem is lack of light. The few days of sunshine we had have brought them forward very nicely. I keep talking to them nicely...... :)
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Hello
How can I distinguish pln x confusa from pln shantung ducat ?. Are there criteria ?
Regards
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Hi Hakone,
They can seem very similar, however there is a difference in the lip marking and shape of flower.
Compare the pictures below.
K.
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Hi Karel ,
Thank you very much . Pln X confusa or pln Shantung Ducat ?
(http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/521/plei1.jpg)
(http://img515.imageshack.us/img515/241/pleione3.jpg)
(http://img707.imageshack.us/img707/9701/xconfusa1.jpg)
(http://img692.imageshack.us/img692/5438/xconfusafrontg.jpg)
(http://img545.imageshack.us/img545/699/lippeundlamella.jpg)
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Sifaka is the first of my pleiones to flower. Here are various forms.
Unfortunately my camera does not show the true golden yellowness of the yellow forms, but exaggerates the background red hues.
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Pln X confusa or pln Shantung Ducat ?
Definitely P. x confusa 'Golden Gate' - the best selection of P. x confusa ;)
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hello here my pleione in bloom
P. formosana 'Lucy Diamond'
P. Lascar 'Purple Finch'
P. Mandaley 'Purple Rain'
P. Mandaley 'Strawberry Fields'
P. Orizaba 'Fish Eagle'
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and
P. Santa Maria 'Nightjar' my must
P. Shantung 'Gerry Mundey'
P. spéciosa
P. spéciosa Red Leaf x P. forrestii it's very beautiful with a lip very red
P. stromboli
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and for the end ,
P. Volcanello
P. Tongariro group
Cordialy
Christian
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hello everyone!
i am new to this forum and i am also a huge Pleione lover :)
i bought my first pleione a few years ago and didn't know much about them. well i didnt know nothing to tell the truth. :)
but they did flower well until the last year. All that was left were few small bulbs and bulbils and this year didn't flower at all. I dont know where went wrong ???
anyway i bought 2 pleiones this year from a UK nursery and was a little dissapointed. my p. humillis is not giving any sign of live. i guess i have to learn from my mistakes where to buy.
since i've been studying and learning and searching on the internet all the time for the past few weeks, i've learned a lot, and i also discovered this forum, and i am happy for that. i hope you could help me with some tips and informations.
i was searching for a good book and found The Genus Pleione -Second Edition by Phillip Cribb and Ian Butterfield... and as i read this is like a Pleione bible... i want to buy it but just dont know where. also the shipping can be a problem since i am not from UK and it can be very expensive. i hope you can help me with that ;)
i am also posting a picture of my pleione from last year. i think they are P. formosana but i am not sure. hope you can help me with this one too :) (sorry for the bad photo quality)
best regards
Gregor
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Welcome to the forum Gregor.
I am more of an enthusiast than an expert so I guide you to three web sites that I consider have expert advice for you.
http://www.koolplants.co.uk/ (http://www.koolplants.co.uk/)
http://www.pleione.info/ (http://www.pleione.info/)
http://www.heritageorchids.co.uk/ (http://www.heritageorchids.co.uk/)
I suspect its your growing medium that's at fault with your poor results so take a look at what the three web sites suggest.
I wouldn't worry about your P. humilis yet. If it hasn't flowered it may not have been the right age to do so and with me they flower early and then put the growth on much later. Having said that its not one I have mastered yet.
I'm sure you will enjoy the forum and gain much knowledge.
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Hello Gregor, welcome to the Forum!
I think Graham has given you some good suggestions to follow those links.
I wonder if you might have overwatered your plants before the roots were fully developed?
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Hello
thank you Graham for the advices and suggested sites. I'vse allready checked some of them before and yes i found a lot of usefull informations there!
yes it could be the potting media, i know i didn't wattered them when they were dormant but maybe my mother did. so yes, you might be right as well Maggi.
i am happy that at least some of them are alive and are now growing new leaves but it would be nice to se some flowers to! well i hope for the next year :)
about my P humilis... i hope you are right and that it will produce some leaves later.. i will wait, there is not much i can do now. the bulb looks healthy and good though.
And i am already enjoying the forum! :) just can't get enough of that pictures you're posting :D I hope that soon i will post some new pictures too :)
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I hope you will get lots of good advice here, Gregor. It's good to have you join us here.
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Thank you so much Maggi ! :) i know i will ! ;)
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I have Pleione mandelay "Strawberry Fields" in flower at the moment :D
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Hello Gregork,
welcome to the forum. I hope you will find all you need to know to improve your success with pleiones. Once you have mastered a few basic things eg. temperature and watering, you should find growing them quite easy.
The plant in your picture looks like Pleione formosana to me.
Regarding The Genus Pleione by Cribb and Butterfield, 2nd Edition, I have found a website (http://www.exoticplantbooks.com/detail/?product_id=686) that will ship internationally. I shall also ask around and will let you know what I have found.
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Hello Maren
Thank you a lot! yesterday i found that site too. since i'm a student , i was hoping to get it less expensive. but if there is no other option I'm going with that one. i must have this book :)If you find any cheeper options would be great. So let me know ;)
and yes i think its P. formosana too thank you for the confirmation :)
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Hello
How do you mannage the temperature this time a year. Some days it is very cold and cloudy, and other days the sun is burning. I find it difficult to keep and even temperature, without opening and closing windows all the time. My problem is, that the room where I keep the pleiones is turning to the south, so though I keep the windows covered with a white curtain, the temperatur rices from time to time and that make some of the plants abort their flower. ??? ???
Erling
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wow, lovely plants everyone - none of mine are anywhere near flowering yet.
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Erling,
at this time of year, temperature fluctuation is the greatest problem for me also. In my 'home' greenhouse, I manage this with automatic vent openers and shade cloth. I have also invested in a film that goes on the inside of the window glass and inhibits sunburn on plants. It also has a cooling effect. The film is applied like a wallpaper and once it's there you don't notice it.
My proper pleione houses are located more than 16km away from home and they are of Victorian construction with solid timber and manually operated vents. That means I have to go there at 10:00h in the morning to open the vents and again at 15:00h to close them. I paint the glass white to reflect the sun. In the summer I take the glass out of the doors and cover the holes with shade cloth to increase ventilation.
If you are growing them in a room, net curtains are a good idea. Leave the door open to increase ventilation. You could even run a small fan on a timer/thermostat to cool the place. Hope this helps. :) :)
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I fully agree that keeping the greenhouse temperature suitable for pleiones at this time of year when they are trying to flower is a real bugbear, if you don't have an alpine house.
They can abort the flower really easily if it gets too hot.
I follow Maren and put up some coolglass shading really early in the year.
Plus keep the doors open all the time unless frost is forecast.
It's another reason to bring the chosen few into the house for flowering.
We have a north facing kitchen diner so the temperature is fairly even with little sun.
The plants stay on the floor so are as cool as possible.
The pan is Shantung 'Ducat' in full flower.
Seems to do Ok indoors.
The pan of Britannia 'Doreen' went over very quickly
David.
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Another exquisite pan, David ! :o
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Very lovely, David, it's quite an achievement to have them all out at the same time and for the flowers to be so well spaced and balanced. You've done well. :) :) :)
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Hello Maren
Thank you for the advice. I have just put up a ventilator to circulate the air in the room. The curtains (a white bed sheet) helps a great deal, but since it is double-glazed windows the heat is inside as soon as it has passed the glazing. I was thinking on putting some film outside on the windows to prevent the heat from passing the glass.
But as it is now, I open the windows before going to work in the morning and close them again when I come home. Then in about a month time hopefully, they all have to go outside in the garden, and this problem is solved until next year.
How about you, will you get ready London Show, I will keep my finger crossed.
David - what a beautiful pan of Shantung Ducat, very lovely.
Regards Erling
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Thanks all for the comments.
Maren - I find that the plants flower 'together' when they're in the house.
Maybe something to do with the warmer temperatures.
I've had the same problem as yourself in a cold glasshouse - the flowering in a pan is staggered.
Fine if you want a prolonged display but no good if you're off to a show.
David
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Hi,
a couple more.
Burnsall 'China Doll' -nice upright flowers. One stem has two flowers.
Muriel from Paul Cumbleton. One of his best.
I've tried to alter this photo as it is a lovely light pink as well as being a very well presented flower.
Not sure if it entirely successful,
David
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Hi David,
you've managed the colour of Muriel very well, however, the rosy tone of the background gives it away. ;) ;) ;) Tricky, this, one can spend hours.
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Hi,
a couple more.
Burnsall 'China Doll' -nice upright flowers. One stem has two flowers.
Muriel from Paul Cumbleton. One of his best.
I've tried to alter this photo as it is a lovely light pink as well as being a very well presented flower.
Not sure if it entirely successful,
David
Both exquisite, David !
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Here are a few more pleiones:
-- Pleione x confusa
-- Pleione formosanum
-- 'Vesuvius'
-- A nice pot full of 'Tongariro' -- the easiest for me to grow and the most floriferous
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Pleione forrestii
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What a great P.forrestii ;D
Nice and bright. I can't wait for mine start doing something.... anything.....!
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Spring arrived finally and more Pleiones are opening their flowers. 8)
Brigadoon 'Stonechat'
Captain Hook
Pln. grandiflora with a fabulous yellow lip :D
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I agree Thomas, that grandiflora is gorgeous ! :o :o
My Pl. captain hook is also present ;)
and so is Pl. shantung "Ducat" that never lets me down !
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Superb forrestii Roma!
Your Shantung 'Ducat' is delightful luc.
I'm questioning my Shantung 'Silver Anniversary'. It's supposed to be white, but the petals are overlaid with pink. Any suggestions are welcome ???
Also in bloom are Bandai-san 'Sand Grouse' and Novarupta 'Raven'.
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A couple of P. forrestii today. The bottom one is a bit past it, but it has been out well over a month!
Alex
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Hello
This is my Pleione in bloom , P. Caroli 'Cap Robin' P. bulbocodioides P. Mageik 'Black Kite' P.Novarupta 'Goshawk' P. pleionoides
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Flowering for the first time for me is this lovely Pl. grandiflora (yellow) x (forrestii x humilis).
I have had to adjust the image though to show the true yellow that my camera cannot capture.
Pl. Rakata. The richest & best coloured form I think, although no clonal name.
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A couple of Pleione flowering right now.
P.Paricutin
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/531971_10151641866457704_1826042311_n.jpg)
P.grandiflora
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-c-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/388032_10151641866477704_290429245_n.jpg)
P.Eiger "snowflake"
(https://fbcdn-sphotos-e-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash3/601701_10151641866492704_632696522_n.jpg)
Lots of Pleione movement over the last couple of weeks. It would seem that spring has finally arrived in London!
;D
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All,
Vesuvius 'leopard' and Shantung 'Silver anniversary'.
Both grew well last year and produced big bulbs.
Flower quality has shown a great improvement.
Khalija - my silver anniversary clone looks different to yours.
The flowers are similar but much more floppy,
David
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You are all doing so well with your pleiones, they are so advanced. Here we still have lots of plants just showing big promising buds. This made life particularly difficult for me when preparing for the RHS London Orchid Show which took place last week.
It was a nail-biting experience, but with the generous help of friends with plants, props and physical labour, I managed to cobble together a display which actually was awarded a Silver Gilt Medal, my best yet. Must work harder next year - and have a smaller display. The work knocked me out for a week. ::) ::) ::)
I would post a picture but today the SRGC resizer does not want to co-operate. It does something but the result is parked on my task bar and I don't know how to retrieve it from there. ::) ::) ::)
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Maren, well done for gaining a Silver -Gilt medal. A great reward after all your worry. :D
No idea what is happening with the resized photo, sorry!
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Maren,
glad to hear you had a successful show and your hard work paid off.
Congrats on the silver gilt.
All my pleiones are still being 'forced' in the house.
I bring them in when I see signs of growth.
Plants with large bulbs do much better than those with small.
Some of these small ones just manage to open before starting to wilt.
Pete - that is a lovely yellow hybrid.
Please treasure it - these colours are so rare.
Regards,
David
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Thanks, David. And Maggi, I managed to solve my resizing problem, forgot to open the icon before dragging the picture over it, silly me.
Here are some glimpses. The display was intended to show the transition from a natural woodland setting into a more formal setting with baskets.
General view x 2 followed by:
Pln Achievement, a fairly recent cross by Stephen James. The picture does not do it justice. The flowers are deep purple with a real glow about them. They are long stemmed, erect and often multi-flowered - a real success story.
Pln Britannia 'Doreen', an old favourite, the golden lip makes it stand out in every display, named after Stephen's wife.
Pln Cosmos 'Shooting Star', not yet registered, and Stephen tells me he might change its name. This one's virtue is it's enormous size, deportment and vigour, often multi-stemmed, perhaps not so outstanding in colour, in my humble opinion, but when there are lots, they do make an impact.
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...and one more..
Pln Kenya Bald Eagle, one of Ian Butterfield's many successes.
I didn't want to disturb them so left them in their pots, but the judges thought they looked like little soldiers and marked me down on that. Must admit, I think they were right.
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Hi Maren,
It is the great success. Congratulation! ;)
Do you know something about parents of P. Cosmos?
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You are all doing so well with your pleiones, they are so advanced. Here we still have lots of plants just showing big promising buds. This made life particularly difficult for me when preparing for the RHS London Orchid Show which took place last week.
It was a nail-biting experience, but with the generous help of friends with plants, props and physical labour, I managed to cobble together a display which actually was awarded a Silver Gilt Medal, my best yet. Must work harder next year - and have a smaller display. The work knocked me out for a week. ::) ::) ::)
I would post a picture but today the SRGC resizer does not want to co-operate. It does something but the result is parked on my task bar and I don't know how to retrieve it from there. ::) ::) ::)
I thought your stand looked great Maren. It was nice to meet you at the show and the plants I bought from you are all now flowering beautifully.
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Maren congrats on you silver medal! your Pleiones look stunning i have to say! ;) keep up the good work :)
best regards
Gregor
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Maren,
love the display and the pleiones in baskets idea.
Kenya 'bald eagle' is one of my favourites but I have variable success with it.
Some years it grows well, others not so well.
Trying to photograph deep purple pleiones like 'Achievement'
in dodgy lighting is all but impossible.
They always seem to be washed out.
A bit like trying to get the right colour on the yellow clones.
Regards,
David
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Congrats on the very nice display, Maren! Well done!
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Hi,
thank you all for your kind comments, much appreciated.
A number of gardeners came and said nice things about my display, they all liked the fallen birch trees (Ian's) and the red branches pruned from my dogwood. I had been looking at it through my kitchen window all winter, thinking it would look nice against a black cloth. The arrangement fell over a few times during construction, spilling out the water I had placed in a bowl at the bottom of the pot. This was observed with great interest by other exhibitors. Finally I managed to anchor it with tightly crammed oasis foam for flower arranging and a good quantity of gravel in the bottom of the pot to weigh it down. It was worth it. ;D ;D
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Congratulations Maren. I'll see you in a few years in Chelsea :)
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Oh no you won't, Lars. Chelsea flower show is too late for my pleiones. I don't have a big enough fridge to hold them back. ;) ;) ;)
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The way the weather develops, you won't need a fridge :)
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Very very Beautiful Maren your show of Pleione is very nice and felicitation for your job
Christian
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Well done Maren. Congratulation on your silver medal. Very nice picture of your pleiones.
Regards Erling
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Thank you. Actually the medal was a Silver Gilt, which is like a Silver plus or a Gold minus. ::)
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Any way it is impressing. Wish it was me who had your pleione collection.
But maybe in 10 or 15 years time......
;D regards Erling
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Hi Maren, congrats on the medal which was under difficult conditions considering the weather over the last month.
Do you know the parentage of Pleione Cosmos or is it being kept under wraps until registered?
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Hi, regarding Pleione Cosmos or whatever it may be called eventually, I have written to Steve James and will let you know as soon as I get his reply. :)
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I've emailed Stephen James about Cosmos. He will divulge the parentage as soon as his new baby has been registered. :)
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A few more flowering;
Pl. grandiflora - yellow. A first flowering of grandiflora yellow form x self. It is a nice pale yellow all over.
Pl. Indri - not very remarkable.
Pl. Ueli Wackernagel.
Pl.grandiflora, my favourite form.
Pl. grandiflora.
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Hi,
Could one of you experts out there please confirm this is P. x confusa.
I bought it as guaranteed but would like confirmation.
Graham
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Pl. Rakata flowering in the flower border, in normal soil, (albeit with a lot of leaf-mould when the bed was prepared many years ago.)
Despite the horrid Winter this year, no bulbs died and the flowers are large and well coloured. Perhaps being covered by snow for so long, gave them better protection than many Winters.
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Spring greeting from Prague. ;D
K.
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You are all doing so well with your pleiones, they are so advanced. Here we still have lots of plants just showing big promising buds. This made life particularly difficult for me when preparing for the RHS London Orchid Show which took place last week.
It was a nail-biting experience, but with the generous help of friends with plants, props and physical labour, I managed to cobble together a display which actually was awarded a Silver Gilt Medal, my best yet. Must work harder next year - and have a smaller display. The work knocked me out for a week. ::) ::) ::)
I would post a picture but today the SRGC resizer does not want to co-operate. It does something but the result is parked on my task bar and I don't know how to retrieve it from there. ::) ::) ::)
Maren, congratulations with the nice display you've managed to set up and the Silver Gilt Medal!!!
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Karel I like your Anstice Harris, it resembles a pale Siamang. Mine has white petals with a mauve sheen and has ceased blossoming a couple weeks ago.
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Spring greeting from Prague. ;D
K.
Ahoy Karel - will we be able to give you our Spring Greetings in Tábor next week?
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Hi Karel,
I hope you can help. Earlier in this thread you gave a positive i.d. for a P. x confusa to Hakone. I wonder if you could do the same for me - please see reply 197. As you will see I have taken various views of the flower.
Graham
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Graham,
I took your pictures to Ian Butterfield and he reckons it's P. Shantung. P. x confusa is smaller and of different shape, see picture on Paul Cumbleton's Pleione.info website.
I have some very fine yellows in flower now, all guaranteed to be P. x confusa, but they also turned out to be P. Shantung. We must have fallen into the same trap. ;) ;) ;)
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Many thanks Maren.
I was thinking I had been duped. It just didn't seem correct. Especially after seeing Karels comparisons.
The listing stated:
Pleione x confusa, real variety, 1 FS bulb
Now I don't want it - don't have room for hybrids, but I don't think I'll get my money back.
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Graham - that is not same case as Hakon's one. You can compare to Hakon's plant here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9934.105 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9934.105)
The shape of your plant looks really like P. Shantung - the lip is too narrow and long and marking on the lip is also very suspicious - see my photos here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9934.135 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9934.135)
So I must agree with Ian - your plant looks more like P. Shantung.
Khadia - my P. Anstice Harris is the best Ian's selection of this his hybrid, so many the others look like yours.
Maggi - I hope we will meet in Tábor on Saturday. ;)
K.
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Graham - that is not same case as Hakon's one. You can compare to Hakon's plant here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9934.105 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9934.105)
The shape of your plant looks really like P. Shantung - the lip is too narrow and long and marking on the lip is also very suspicious - see my photos here: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9934.135 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9934.135)
So I must agree with Ian - your plant looks more like P. Shantung.
Hi Karel,
Thank you for your response.
I really must learn to buy from reputable nurseries instead of thinking I might get a bargain.
Graham
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Maggi - I hope we will meet in Tábor on Saturday. ;)
K.
Excellent!! I will look forward to that.
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Graham,
try not to be too disappointed. This is still a lovely plant, the yellow ones are quite rare and this particular clone has a good deep colour. Imagine how it will brighten your home when you have a dozen flowers of it in a bowl. - It's just not what it says on the tin, but pretty all the same. :) :) :) I've just gone and corrected all the labels to P. Shantung.
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Graham,
try not to be too disappointed. This is still a lovely plant, the yellow ones are quite rare and this particular clone has a good deep colour. Imagine how it will brighten your home when you have a dozen flowers of it in a bowl. - It's just not what it says on the tin, but pretty all the same. :) :) :) I've just gone and corrected all the labels to P. Shantung.
Hi Maren,
You are of course correct it is a lovely plant and maybe I will find a place for it at least until the real thing presents itself.
I hope you didn't have too many that you had to change labels on.
I will be contacting the seller to see what they have to say.
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Having read the previous posts about Pleione x confusa it seems my newly purchased plant (this very winter) might have an identity crisis as well. I bought it as Pln. x confusa 'Golden Gate' - what do you think?
Another new purchase is Pln. aurita x coronaria. I do like the coronaria influence on the lip.
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Hi Thomas,
I also bought some 'Golden Gate' at the London Orchid Show. Ian did not think it looked anything like the P. x confusa he knows. Consider the parentage:
P. x confusa = albiflora x forrestii
P. Shantung = x confusa x formosana.
In P. Shantung you would expect the influence of P. albiflora and P. forrestii diluted by the more vigorous P. formosana, which results in the larger flower and the more elongated petals and sepals. - From what I've seen so far, we are all enjoying some elongated sepals and petals and large flowers. ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Thomas, P. aurita x P. coronaria has been registered this year by G. Bergel as Pleione Nyiarongo.
K.
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Got a new home for my baby pleiones. It's on my allotment and they will keep company with tomatoes and sweet peppers.
;D ;D ;D
The palm is an oil palm, therefore quite appropriate for an allotment. ;D
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That's great Maren!
I just wonder how long it will take before the Pleiones oust the tomatoes and sweet peppers ;D
The last Pleiones in bloom are Ganymede with a stunning coloured lip and scopulorum 'Selene', the latter as pretty as the Greek moon-goddess.
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Hi Thomas, P. aurita x P. coronaria has been registered this year by G. Bergel as Pleione Nyiarongo.
K.
Ian B also made this cross before but never bothered to register it as he thought it was nothing special. I quite like it.
Different clone can be seen on my website, can't access pictures to post as I'm away in Asia in the sun.
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Khadija, wow, amazing to see Selene in flower like this! Did you get it from Jan Moors? I have one small bulbil from him after a couple of years of waiting, but of course scopulorum doesn't bulk up too quickly....
It's a beautiful plant, anyway. I wonder whether we'll ever be able to grow the yellow forms as well?
Alex
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Thank you Alex!
The Selene is from Jan Moors, and yes unfortunately scopulorum doesn't bulk up fast.
I do hope I will be able to witness the day the yellow form becomes available.
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Hello everybody
Khadija your Selene is very beautiful give me a adress of Jan Moors please !
My scopulorum is in bloom with x taliensis here :
Christian
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Jan Moors have a website for pleione at http://www.albiflora.be (http://www.albiflora.be)
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What a lovely time of year for pleione growers. Even if one sometimes runs out of space and has to go 'upstairs'. ;D ;D ;D
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wow amazing! they seem to like it very much in your glasshouse ;)
what is the temperature inside?
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Gregork, it got rather hot today (28 degrees C), although the roof and side vents are completely open and I have taken the glass out of the front and back door. A good spraying with water, also on the floor, soon got the temperatures down by 6 degrees, but they now have to be watered every day. I think I shall apply another layer of white paint on the glass.
Sadly this will be the shortest flowering season I have experienced. First nothing, then everything all at once. I have a couple more shows at the end of the month and I shall be struggling to have enough fresh pleiones. Maybe I put some outside to hold them back a bit.
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yes i can see. All in flower at once. The winter was terrible this year. But it looks very nice :)
I also moved my Pleiones from a window sill to a balcony. There is about 15-20°C and they seem to like it there.
i am sure you will have enough fresh Pleiones for your shows. we want to see more pictures :P ;D
Gregor
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Hi Maren,
How incredible pictures!!!
Hundreds of PLEIONE....
I only have one to show ( a real humble one...)
JP
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Hello.
Congratulations on blooming Pleiones each of you. You are showing the most beautiful flowers! :o
Maren, I have a great admiration for your collection. It is really impressive. How splendid that your work has been appreciated at the show in London!
Returning to the talking about viruses which was started before. Tests with the flower of my Pleione Zeus Weinstein were completed this week. I am very happy because my plant is healthy. No viruses were detected at all. It turned out that the strange beauty of flowers is a quality of this plant. ::)
By the way, I found an interesting discussion about the virus: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1186.msg34756#msg34756 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1186.msg34756#msg34756) and about Pln. Zeus Weinstein: http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1525.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=1525.0)
I recommend you to read it.
Maren and ThomasB, thank you very much for your interesting and confirm that shown flowers of Pleione Piton are truly this cross.
ThomasB, I also like the second form of Pln. Piton. I got it from Maren ;)
This season Pleiones are all in bloom for me too. I have a couple of new plants which are blooming for the first time, including Pleione Caparro and Betty Arnold. I am satisfied with their flowers even though they do not look such attractive like on the seller's images.
It also blooms Pleione which I bought as scopulorum. I am not sure if it is properly labeled because it blooms so early and has only one leaf. Please, give me a hand and identify this orchid for me.
Best regards,
Tamar
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Heres pictures of mine scopolorum. Or at least what I think is..
http://snuffeldyret.blogspot.no/2013/04/pleione-scopolorum.html (http://snuffeldyret.blogspot.no/2013/04/pleione-scopolorum.html)
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Snuffeldyret, thank you for your interesting and confirm that shown flower of Pleione belongs to scopulorum species. My flower really the same as yours.
As I mentioned my doubts come from the fact that instead of two leaves my orchid has only the one... ???
Regards,
Tamar
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I tried Pleione 'Fuego' out in the garden for the first time. Planted dormant last spring and overwintered under a deep layer of dried fern fronds and a cover to keep the rain off.
Very pleased that they have survived and done well. I kept some in a pot as insurance though.
Photos:
1. Pleione 'Fuego' in the garden
2. P. 'Fuego' in a pot.
3. Pleione pleionoides.
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They look splendid, Graham !
Great job !
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They look splendid, Graham !
Great job !
Thanks Luc :)
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Some in flower now
Pleione aurita
Pleione barbarae
Pleione pleionoides
Pleione limprichtii from Graham
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Some still in flower here and some still not showing. I'm getting a bit worried they are going to have a very short growing period.
P. x taliensis
The second photo is one that I got in a batch of bulbocodiodes bulbils several years ago. Finally flowering but I'm sure its not bulbocodioides. It's very nice but can anyone add a name please.
Graham
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Here is my last one for this spring.
Pleione Sinope
more plants from my collection you can see here: http://pleione.cz/fotopleionky.html (http://pleione.cz/fotopleionky.html)
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Hi Graham,
That unknown looks very much like Stromboli 'Fireball', even though I would never label it as such unless i had something to match it with.
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Hi Graham,
That unknown looks very much like Stromboli 'Fireball', even though I would never label it as such unless i had something to match it with.
Thanks Lars.
Perhaps I will by a Stromboli 'Fireball' in the Autumn and compare next spring.
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Graham,
It does look very like my Stromboli 'Fireball which is in flower right now (and I'm only 100miles south of you). Would you like me to post a picture for comparison? - probably tomorrow, as it's a little late now.
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You don't have to buy one, Graham. I can send you one if you remind me when we reach that time of the year.
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Can anyone help me identify this one. I've aquired it as Pleione Chunii, but I'm unsure if it is. It is awfully small.
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Hello Lars
It looks very much like pleione chunii to mé. I have a similar clone that produces very small flowers. At a point I thought it might be hookeriana, but bulbs are to big for that. Whats your bulb like? Mine are semi large, slender and pointed at the neck. I wote for Pln. chunii :)
Regards Erling
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Hello Erling,
I believe yours comes from the same source as mine, but i became doubtful when i saw a picture of hookeriana and chunii together. Suddenly it looked like a pale hookeriana. I can't find the picture, but i think it was somebody from this forum who had posted the picture.
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Hi Lars
Its Pleione chunii. Some clones do produce small flowers on tall stems like the picture below.
It may also have been my picture of the difference between hookeriana and chunii you have seen on my species Gallery http://www.koolplants.co.uk/Pleiones.html (http://www.koolplants.co.uk/Pleiones.html) . Pleione hookeriana have much smaller round (pea like) bulbs.
Original thread with image - http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5448.msg154315#msg154315 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5448.msg154315#msg154315)
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Looks like P. chunii to me. They are miniatures compared with some of the large flowered hybrids. The flowers are usually no more than 3-4cm across.
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I do find the small flowered species very appealing- they are like little jewels.
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Hello :)
I was wondering, since it is so hot. we have like 35°C, if it's ok to daily spray my Pleiones with water. sometimes i do that twice a day. i also water them once every 3-4 days. I dont know if thats too much. I dont want them to rot.
I was also wondering when is the best time to order autumn flowering Pleiones, since they are never in deep rest.
I saw a lot of pages where they sell them almost all the time. Can anyone recomend me a good nursery where i can buy
P. maculata ? i know it's a hard one for beginers but i just cant help myself. I think I'm in love ;D i would wait for Ian B. catalogue but it wasn't listed in previous one. i supose he is not selling them.
I also got that book The genus Pleione by Phillip C. and Ian B., that I ordered it online. I am soooo happy, read it from first to last word :D thank you Maren for helping me searching for that book store :)
regards ;)
Gregor
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Thanks everyone. I'll keep the label :)
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Graham,
It does look very like my Stromboli 'Fireball which is in flower right now (and I'm only 100miles south of you). Would you like me to post a picture for comparison? - probably tomorrow, as it's a little late now.
Peter - Apologies for not replying sooner. There are lots of photos on the internet and they are all very similar to mine. Thanks for the offer though and thanks for responding.
You don't have to buy one, Graham. I can send you one if you remind me when we reach that time of the year.
Lars - Also my apologies for not replying sooner. Thank you for your offer which I will gratefully accept. It will be best to confirm via a live specimen rather than photos. If there is something that you would like in exchange please let me know.
Graham
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Hi Graham,
Remind me around NMovember. I'll put it in my little list as well, then hopefully one of us will remember.
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Hi Gregor,
I'm very pleased you found the book. If you want autumn flowering pleiones, I sell them in January after flowering. :)
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Hi Gregor,
regarding the book "The Genus Pleione" by Phillip Crib and Ian Butterfield, it contains an error regarding classification of Pleione chunii. This has subsequently been corrected in various publications but of course not in the original book. Here is a description of the situation, as described by Paul Cumbleton on his excellent website (http://pleione.info) :
P. chunii : The name "chunii" has had the most complex history! To cut a long story short, Cribb now believes this name should be correctly applied to plants that have previously been called "hookeriana var. sinensis" (which are sometimes also called P. hookeriana var. milanii or simply P. milanii). He had previously applied the name "chunii" to a species which both he and Torelli now agree is correctly called P. aurita. Torelli still believes that "chunii" is correctly applied to certain plants not yet in cultivation and known only from herbarium sheets. If this is so, then he says that "hookeriana var. sinensis" should correctly be called P. sinensis as it is clearly a species distinct from the true P. hookeriana. (Cribb's DNA work confirms that the plants he now calls chunii are not closely related to true hookeriana but are more closely related to aurita)."
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Hi Maren!
I will definetely check this out :) i was reading about this classifications and i have to say it is sometimes very confusing :) all the changes that have been made....
thank you for the information !
best regards
Gregor
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Thank you Maren. I've always wondered why Cribb and Butterfield considered aurita and chunii to be the same species.
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Just been watering my pleiones. They have gone crazy in this weather, huge leaves promising a good harvest.
Trouble is, where the plants are close together, the leaves may deflect water from the pots underneath. And when watering vertically overhead, the water tends to depress the leaves so that they cover the tops of the pots, making the problem worse (see top diagram).
Not having any more space, I have decided to water them (with a lance) in two passes, angling the water spray at 45 degrees to the plants (bottom diagram) and lifting the occasional leaf if the vegetation is too dense:
- one pass from right to left and
- coming back from left to right.
This is hoping that water will reach everywhere. So far it seems to work. ;D ;D ;D
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As there are no Pleione flowers right now, i took a few snaps with my mobile this morning of the roots on some of my maunted Pleione. Maybe i'm a bit crazy, but i think healthy roots a lovely to look at.
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I don't think you crazy at all , Lars. It is precisely by such observation and attention to these details of our plants that we learn most about them and so improve our chances of growing them well.
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Hello all :)
so i have a few questions since i noticed some problems on my Pleione.
i noticed that leaf tips are turning brown. what could be the reason for that? to much fertilizer? Direct sun? they do get some of it in the afternoon. I also noticed some borwn spots.
also few of the leaves just roten off completely. what could be the reason? i did watered them from the top in the late afternon the day before that happened. i dont know what else culd be wrong.
i am also wondering about the size of the leaves. i remember last year, they were so big. At least 20 cm . And now theye are half of the size or even less. I did have them in complete shadow last year and now they get a lot of light since they are on my balcony. what is normal and what is not? what should be the size of leaves by now?
any info would be very much appriciated.
I have included some photos so that you will know what i am talking about :)
Best regards
Gregor
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Hi Gregor,
The dots in the last picture could be insect damage at an earlier stage in the leaf's life. The brown leaf is likely to be caused by water in the shot due to the late watering as you pointed out yourself. I've done that a few times. The brown leaftips is something i get every year on some plants like maculata. I don't think it has anything to do with fertiliser, but i haven't got any better explanation to offer. I've suspected the low humidity i have most of the time to be the culprit, but it's only a theory.
Best regards
Lars
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Thank you Lars for all the answers.
do you think the bulb will survive without the leaf? I pulled it out. the roots look fine
Any idea about the leaf size?
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In my experience, the bulb can survive, although it will not grow much more without the leaf. What do you mean about the leaf size?
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I am also wondering about the size of the leaves. i remember last year, they were so big. At least 20 cm . And now theye are half of the size or even less. I did have them in complete shadow last year and now they get a lot of light since they are on my balcony. what is normal and what is not? what should be the size of leaves by now?
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Leafsize seems to vary depending on the conditions, so it miight be that growing under dark conditions will promote bigger leaves, although normally i would expect darker leafs with more clorophyl instead.
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Makes sense!
Thank you Lars
regards
Gregor
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Interesting discussion about leaf size.
I have smaller leaves to, but I have put mine outside this year and they have had a lot of sun, fortunately no scorch damage.
The pseudobulbs also seem to be developing bigger and earlier, so I am pleased.
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I have a good size of pleione leaves this year. I don't see any difference between plants in shade or full sun in my greenhouse.
K.
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Yes Pete i find it interesting too :) I wouldn't bother too much if it wasn't such a huge difference :D
I remember last year... well they were very large! i would say at least 30-40 cm. Probably a bit smaller than the ones from Karel. Karel you have some serious growth going on i have to say :D
I had them in normal soil, in ful shade, no fertilizer and they were watered with rain water.
This year, they are in pleione potting mix, lots of light, regular fertilizer, watered with tap watter
But its true that the pbulbs were very small when i potted them.
I am still new at growing these so I'll have to order some more and observe. I hope i will come to some conclusion about that .
Now I'll just have my fingers crossed for my pbulbs to get fatter and will bloom next year :)
Regards
Gregor
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Hi!
I bought some bulbils this year and many of them are now actually growing their own bulbils. Is it normal for such tiny bulbs to produce bulbils?
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Also I noticed these lesions/spots on the tips of some leafs. Is this a fungal problem or could it be a deficiency?
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Greetings
Daniel
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Hi Daniel,
Bulbils can often set bulbils themselves. These are often too small to grow on, unless it is something very special. As for the spots on the leafs, i think it is cause earlier in the season by sucking insects.
Lars
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Thanks, Lars.
Not too sure about the insect damage, but as long as it's not getting worse, I'm not too worried.
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Look at it from the bright side: the leafs will die soon anyway :)
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I'd seen that they were coming but it was still a nice surprise to walk into the greenhouse tonight and see Pleione Confirmation in flower. I know it's early, though a week later than in 2012 and three weeks later than in 2011, but I don't mind.
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Very nice! :)
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Very nice and early. Mine are not even close.
Regards Erling
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Hi,
nice flower - amazing timing!!!
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It's early. The last couple of years it has been saxicola that has been the first to flower, but this year it is a couple of maculate that has been growing in the windowsill in my livingroom during the winter. (Sorry, no pictures yet). The one that has been grown a little colder is acting more normal. I've grown maculata in the windowsill for a couple of years, but it is the first time it has developped that much earlier. ANyone has any experience with that?
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I think that Lars has hit the nail on the head with his comment about keeping these pleiones on the windowsill over winter. My plants have two choices; in a frost free (-ish) greenhouse or on a windowsill where the temp gets down to about ten degrees at night.
As a result maculata and Confirmation spend the winter indoors whilst others, such as winter flowering Barcena and Tarawera, stay out in the greenhouse and are perfectly happy. Why? Well I'm told maculata really does better in the warm, and at anything from £15 to £30 a bulb my Confirmation is not going anywhere where there is a risk of freezing! The shoots start growing soon after flowering has finished and grow throughout the winter. I have been told that this will not do them any good, but after four growing seasons one bulb has become seven even after I gave two away to friends.
On the down side I've tried praecox under the same system and I do not think that it's overly happy.
p.s. its amazing how much damage a single tiny snail can do to pleione flowers :'( :'(
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I need to sell at least half of my collection. Any advice on where to advertice? I live in Norway..
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You're outside EU, so you will need CITES papers no matter where you want to sell. I haven't tried it myself, but EBAY is said to be the place to sell.
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Waiting for a little bit of light to shine on my pot of Pleione Confirmation and the leaves to fall off, I noticed today that the first flower has faded! And still its grey and dull here in N. Yorkshire. So here are a few pictures from a couple of days ago.
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That is a nice looking pot. How many new growths do you have per bulb?
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Thanks Lars,
There are 6 bulbs, 2 with one flower and 4 with 2. It seems to be a fairly consistent pattern to get 2 growth per pseudobulb. I have never had any bulbils. Does anyone know if that is the norm for P. Confirmation?
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Pleione saxicola flowering for the first time for me.Not particularly lovely as the flower is very small,it may improve in future years.
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Another saxicola, flowering for the first time for me, too. Bought the bulb in winter with two shoots, now the plant has a total of 8 flowers/buds! Unfortunately the stalks are very short and some didn't emerge from the soil completely. I repotted the plant in a wide bowl, so the new bulbs will have more room to spread out sideways next year.
Other pics are a probably flowering sized bulbil on a humilis with unusually shaped bulbs and Pleione Zeus Weinstein.
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Nice growing Danshi. I realy love Pln saxicola. Unfortunately I am not very good at growing them.
Regards Erling
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In my experience, saxicole has a tendency to dig itself into hte compost.
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My saxicola limped along pathetically for a while but this year have done well and flowered since I gave them some heat - they sit on a heated propagator all year round with the maculata etc.
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And here we are again, my first autum flowering pleione - Pleione Confirmation. I realy love it.
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Regards Erling
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Thats just stunning Erling !
Good growing ;)
Regards,
Gregor
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Very lovely, Erling.
Here is my first P. maculata. The petals and sepals are pure white. Is it a freak or a desirable variation? Who knows. Only next year will show whether this form is permanent, that's if I can get it to flower next year. ;) ;) ;)
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Here is my first P. maculata. The petals and sepals are pure white. Is it a freak or a desirable variation? Who knows. Only next year will show whether this form is permanent, that's if I can get it to flower next year. ;) ;) ;)
I think this pure white form is really superb. Accentuates the lip markings in my eyes. They are all good but this white form is extra special!
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A very lovely maculata Maren, I love the pure white. Interesting to follow it next season.
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Wow Maren. Thats gorgeous! thanks for the picture.
Interesting that we discused on the pure white variety isn't it? :D
Best regards
Gregor
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Hi Gregork,
yes, what a coincidence. I certainly didn't expect to see one ever, let alone finding one growing on my kitchen windowsill. By the way, it is the only one, in a bowl of 12, to flower without stripes, another is flowering now with stripes and there are more to come. :)
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I would try and grow that separately and see what happens in the future.
And I would definetely want to have one of those in the future :)
Good growing ;)
regards Gregor
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I put it in a separate pot straight away, with the appropriate label ;D ;D ;D
Let's hope it survives to next year. :)
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hi maren your pleione maculata is very nice , but i would consider it to be a normal form of the species,most of the ones i have grown in the past have had white petals and sepals.the discription in "the Genuus Pleione" states "petals and sepals creamy white occasionaly lighty streaked with pink". these streaked forms were at one stage called pleione maculata var arthuriana so i believe. there is aparently a pure white true albino form somewhere , pure white flowers with just yellow lip markings, i have seen a photograph of this smewhere. regards pleione
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We are reaching the end of the growing season for Pleione and I can begin to see the result of the experiments I’ve done this year with growing media. I’ve written about the Pleione humilis and Fuego in live sphagnum moss and circulation water before. This has so far been a great success. I had two bulbs of humilis, one I’ve been downsizing fir a couple of years and one large new on. Both have set two new bulbs and both as large, if not larger, than the bulb they originated from. The Fuego has also set a large and one smaller bulb, the large one being seriously larger than the old on.
I’ve also tried another new compost. It is a mix of sifted half composted beech clippings (leafs and smaller twigs), and perlite. In the beginning of the season it didn’t hold water that well, but as the decomposing has progressed, it hold more water and some of the Pleiones I’ve planted in it has performed really good. Again Fuego, but also Stromboli ‘Fireball’, Eiger, and Brigadoon has done very well. I was afraid that it would be too compact, but that fear has been put to rest. I sometimes plant out in small pot to bring to plant markets and the beech compost has been really good for this purpose.
More experiments next year.
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hi lars i was interested in your compost experiments,.there was an artical some years ago i think in "the national pleione report"about someone using beech tree masts as a compost for pleiones, regards speudobulb
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The picture of the alba form of Pleione maculata is in a little book called "100 Beautiful Himalayan Orchids and How to Grow Them" - see the image below, copied from the book. The book is by Udai Pradhan and Satyam Pradhan, published in 1997, ISBN 81-85423-03-0. Long out of print, second-hand copies can be found fairly readily, but expect to pay £40 to £60 for one.
Maren, I agree with the comment about maculata that forms without streaks on the petals are more "normal" and common. It took me ages to find one that did have streaks when I was looking for one. Whatever, I find all forms of this species to be very attractive!
Paul
Pleione maculata var alba from the book mentioned above:
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The picture of the alba form of Pleione maculata is in a little book called "100 Beautiful Himalayan Orchids and How to Grow Them" - see the image below, copied from the book. The book is by Udai Pradhan and Satyam Pradhan, published in 1997, ISBN 81-85423-03-0. Long out of print, second-hand copies can be found fairly readily, but expect to pay £40 to £60 for one.
The Pradhan family are the proprietors of Himalayan Gardens Ltd who ship from Scotland and are regular advertisers in The Rock Garden. The book is available from their Web Site £22
http://himalayangardens.com/detail/174/100-Beautiful-Himalayan-Orchids-and-How-to-Grow-Them.html (http://himalayangardens.com/detail/174/100-Beautiful-Himalayan-Orchids-and-How-to-Grow-Them.html)
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hello friends,
I dont have so many Pleiones,
but this is one of my several Pl. maculata.
I grow them under lights all year long.
Pleione maculata
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20131022-122534-66.jpg)
enjoy
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Gorgeous Goofy! Very good growing :)
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Currently flowering with me: P. Lassen Peak and P. praecox 'Berggarten'.
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From both I have recorded timelapse movies:
http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/zeitraffer.php?Idx=2 (http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/zeitraffer.php?Idx=2)
http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/zeitraffer.php?Idx=3 (http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/zeitraffer.php?Idx=3)
If one video doesn't play smoothly then press the pause button and wait until the video is loaded. Then continue.
And I've made a puzzle of each:
http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/puzzle.php?Idx=14#anker (http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/puzzle.php?Idx=14#anker)
http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/puzzle.php?Idx=15#anker (http://www.ulrichbangert.de/orchid/puzzle.php?Idx=15#anker)
Viele Grüße - Ulrich
(Inline expandable thumbnails don't work?)
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(Inline expandable thumbnails don't work?)
Hallo, Ulrich, if you click "modify" to look at your post you will see how I added the Inline expandable thumbnails to your post .
Best wishes,
Maggi
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Thanks Maggi! When I tried it, the tags were inserted in the same way but the tumbnails were not visible in the preview ???
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The pictures are not visible in preview, Ulrich. Perhaps when you did not see them you then removed the tags and so the photos jst went to the end?
I love your time-lapse films - and playing with your puzzles too - a good test of what one has seen. :)
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Yes, when I didn't see the thumbnails in the preview I removed the tags and switched back to "End-of-post expandable thumbnails". Next time I'll try again.
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Wonderful time-lapse films Ulrich.
I watched the Phalaenopsis one also: was that something like a mealy bug waving from the junction of the flower bud stalk? And what were the little white dots that moved around on the stem I wonder?
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Lovely time lapse, now I must get my broadband upgraded so that it does not revert to real time. ;) ;)
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Goofy, your maculatas look quite happy. What kind of lights are you using?
And another beautiful timelapse, Ulrich!
I have a question about Pleione scopulorum, which I'm growing for the first time this year: I know it needs a little moisture in winter to do well. Is it enough to put the bulbs into some slightly damp sphagnum while storing them in the fridge with my other Pleiones or should the roots stay intact over winter?
By the way, I assume that all species with bulbs growing underground (yunnanensis, bulbocodioides) would benefit from not drying out completely in winter.
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Hallo Peter,
yes, you have seen the right: There are mealybugs on that orchid. In the german forums they have already pointed that out to me. Can't get rid of those beasts! Fortunately my Pleiones are not affected.
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Love your praecox 'Berggarten' Ulrich!
I have been told my praecox is a type from Northern Thailand / Burma.
Definitely a pretty one ;D
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Hallo Khadija,
fine that you like my praecox. Yours is also a pretty one indeed. Thanks for posting.
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Pleione tibeticum,anyone aware of this.
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Never heard of it before. Species or hybrid? How does it look like? :)
Gregor
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No idea! I have found it offered for sale in a couple of places this week, including EBay . I was just wondering if a new species had been found or if someone is using a new name for an old favourite?
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There was a seller on eBay from China last year advertising Pleione tibeticum with a photo of what was I'm 99.9% sure Pleione x barbarae.
Current UK seller also states that it came from a Chinese grower and from the description of size and what I can just about see from the photo, the bulb certainly looks of that type to be x barbarae.
Another Chinese seller was selling unidentified Pleione SP, Tibetan (No photo). Probably collected well after flowers disappeared and the only reason it could not be given correct name.
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This particular clone of P. maculata flowers freely, and multiplies quickly :)
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Those golden yellow and bright pink frilly lips are so pretty.
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Yes Maggi, and the short-stalked upright flowers make them very good looking in a group.
Here's P. praecox, probably from Thailand. Quite similar to the nice one Kadija showed in reply #311.
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That's a nice one JPB!
Quite surprising the diversity of the Thai/Burmese praecox.
Here's the same flower shown in reply #311 (but more mature) next to a maculata I wished it was as vigorous as yours.
And some more praecox frenzy :P
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@Khadija: Great collection of P. praecox! Just wondering how these (alleged) Thai clones compares to the regular P. praecox and Pleione rechenbachiana (now considered as conspecific with P. praecox). IMO they could be somewhere to reichenbachiana having purple on the sides and 3 callus ridges (or better three long central ones and two short lateral ones), but still having the central yellow streak... ???
My maculata pseudobulbs has a average proliferation rate of 64%/year, which is quite good compared to my other maculata's.
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An interesting question indeed. I have been told they are reichenbachiana, but I guess they are intermediates between the familiar form through to the reichenbachiana form. Hopefully someone could clarify...
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hey,
just look here, it was in the forum already in 2011,
interesting posting from a real specialist,
Paul Cumbleton.
look posting #407
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6445.msg221724;topicseen#msg221724 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6445.msg221724;topicseen#msg221724)
and this is what seems to be NOT reichenbachiana
posting #41
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4277.msg118767;topicseen#msg118767 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4277.msg118767;topicseen#msg118767)
I also have a cultivar like THAT, really nice cultivar,
BUT fairly sure, is NOT reichenbachiana,
though the nursery sold it "as".
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20131115-150628-488.jpg)
have fun
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Hello everyone
here is my autumn Pleione
Hello Khadija ;)
Pln Saxicola
(http://imageshack.us/a/img834/7673/jaqo.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img837/4232/78vf.jpg)
Pln Confirmation
(http://imageshack.us/a/img202/403/g3bg.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img443/6515/07cp.jpg)
Pln praecox
(http://imageshack.us/a/img196/3703/b3pl.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img585/7095/yu4a.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img843/9987/pqhk.jpg)
(http://imageshack.us/a/img823/7589/w2yj.jpg)
;)
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Salut Julien!
Nice autumn display ;)
I also have a cultivar like THAT, really nice cultivar,
BUT fairly sure, is NOT reichenbachiana,
though the nursery sold it "as".
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20131115-150628-488.jpg)
It's sure a nice one Dieter!
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hello friends,
pls look at MY true and NO YELLOW in the lip
Pleione praecox forma reichenbachiana
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20131124-140518-293.jpg)
the lip closeup
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20131124-140518-574.jpg)
most interesting for me was the two flowers on ONE stem, never seen befor
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20131124-140518-421.jpg)
enjoy this rare form
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I like it very much! Good growing and thanks for posting the photos :)
Gregor
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Very lovely flower, Dieter - and the pseudobulb is a great shape and colour!
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hello friends,
pls look at MY true and NO YELLOW in the lip
Pleione praecox forma reichenbachiana
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20131124-140518-293.jpg)
the lip closeup
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20131124-140518-574.jpg)
most interesting for me was the two flowers on ONE stem, never seen befor
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20131124-140518-421.jpg)
enjoy this rare form
F a n t a s t i c !!
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Very lovely, well done.
Here is one I saw at Ian Butterfield's a couple of weeks ago. According to Ian, it's Pln praecox f alba.
The single bulb had two stems, each with two flowers. The picture quality is not great, but bearing in mind that the camera fell off the tripod half way through, I am not too disappointed.
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Nice pictures Maren. Thanks for sharing. Ian has always some ace up his sleeve :D
K.
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Maren,
Nice pictures.
Now, would this plant really qualify as an alba form?
If you compare it to Pleione formosana would it not rather be a semi-alba?
A true alba would have to be white and yellow on the lip or am I incorrect, like the clone that Christopher Bailes once collected for Kew in Nepal in 1984 (Pleione praecox alba 'Everest').
Just like the Pleione formosana clone 'Clare' is a true alba and 'Cairngorm' a semi-alba...
Incidently, does anyone know if the Pleione praecox alba clone collected in '84 has survived in cultivation?
kind regards,
Kenneth.
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Very lovely, well done.
Here is one I saw at Ian Butterfield's a couple of weeks ago. According to Ian, it's Pln praecox f alba.
The single bulb had two stems, each with two flowers. The picture quality is not great, but bearing in mind that the camera fell off the tripod half way through, I am not too disappointed.
hello Maren,
indeed nice color form, but I have some doubts, that this really is an alba form,
because "normally" one would understand "alba" as having no pink/rose/purple color,
only "yellow" can be.
I think its a "white petaled cultivar" and selected from "reichenbachiana".
the "typical lip coloration" you can also see in my cultivar above.
you can see what I think is true praecox alba cultivar on karel_t website :-))
(BTW a cultivar like that was on ebay short time ago and was also offered as "alba form")
cheers
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goofy, sorry but the white P. praecox on my website is not true Alba form. This clone is white just in first half of inflorescence stage and than finishes the flowering, it turns the colour of petals to slightly pink (something like P. Krakatoa 'Wheatear' changes the colour from yellow to dark pink). The lip has also several pale pink blotches.
K.
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Hi, I'm not sure about the 'proper' name for this plant. Here is the label that came with the bulb when it was given to Ian. It even has a collection reference, but we don't know what it stands for. He told me that he doesn't query a label, so that's fine for me also. :) :) :)
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Maren,
Thank you for the extra information, I'm sure we can conclude that it is indeed a semi-alba and not a true alba (as is/was the 'Everest' clone collected back in 1984 in Nepal for Kew by Christopher Bailes).
Nevertheless, a nice and interesting plant that could perhaps expand the colour range of autumn/winter flowering hybrids!
kind regards,
Kenneth.
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Hi, I'm not sure about the 'proper' name for this plant. Here is the label that came with the bulb when it was given to Ian. It even has a collection reference, but we don't know what it stands for. He told me that he doesn't query a label, so that's fine for me also. :) :) :)
"BSWJ 5150-5310 Bleddyn & Sue Wynn-Jones 1st expedition to Thailand 1997" - is it possible?
source: http://www.crug-farm.co.uk/plant_hunting-3.aspx (http://www.crug-farm.co.uk/plant_hunting-3.aspx)
Tom
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Very nice indeed!
On the other side of the spectrum there's eyecatcher Pleione Wharfedale 'Pine Warbler' with it's vivid colours.
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"BSWJ 5150-5310 Bleddyn & Sue Wynn-Jones 1st expedition to Thailand 1997" - is it possible?
source: http://www.crug-farm.co.uk/plant_hunting-3.aspx (http://www.crug-farm.co.uk/plant_hunting-3.aspx)
Tom
hello,
interesting idea.
so I talked this morning to the "Crug" people.
the lady on the phone told me,
that their collection numbers always begin with "BS" instead of "BC"
and they do not collect orchids.
so it must be "somebody else" ............................
cheers
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Hi,
I notice that Gartenwerkschaft Schreiner (http://www.gartenwerkstatt-schreiner.de/Pleione-Preise_2013.pdf) sells these for 79 euros. - By the way, I'm not their agent. ;) ;) ;)
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Nice web site Maren.
I also noticed that they are beeing sold at http://rareplants.co.uk (http://rareplants.co.uk) fir a price of 80 pounds (rather expensive) But what i dont like is that they have the same picture.
I dont know is it so difficult to make the pictures of actual plant you are selling? hmmmm.... What is your opinion about that?
Regards
Gregor
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Regarding plant pictures, I find on occasion that people steal my pictures (use without my permission). When I notice it, I ask them to remove the picture from their website, and most of the time I get an apology.
It can be very tempting to use someone else's picture if one doesn't have one. If I find myself in that situation, I contact the owner and ask permission. And when I get it, people usually don't say no, then I make sure I put a credit on the picture to make it clear that it isn't mine and that I asked to use it.
We can all get along very nicely if we show a little respect to others. :) :) :)
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Nice web site Maren.
I also noticed that they are beeing sold at http://rareplants.co.uk (http://rareplants.co.uk) fir a price of 80 pounds (rather expensive) But what i dont like is that they have the same picture.
I dont know is it so difficult to make the pictures of actual plant you are selling? hmmmm.... What is your opinion about that?
Regards
Gregor
hello,
the answer is very easy in this case.
the owner of the pics is "Schreiner" nursery,
they are "wholesaler" and "retailer" :)
and they sell their plants -mainly Cypripediums and Pleiones- NOT ONLY to private persons,
but also to "resellers" worldwide, who then naturally are allowed to use the pictures.
so you find the same pictures also from other sellers, like "P.C."
cheers
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Maren I agree with you 100%. ;)
And Goofy... that makes sence. but it is sometimes very difficult to know who is the owner of the photos because it is not written on it.
The other thing i always worry is the colours... sometimes it can be very tempting, the colours are perfect... but is it pristine? is it the real colour or some photoshop picture? It is kind of sad to order something, you expect to be the perfect colour combination and then you get something completely different. :-\
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Maren I agree with you 100%. ;)
And Goofy... that makes sence. but it is sometimes very difficult to know who is the owner of the photos because it is not written on it.
The other thing i always worry is the colours... sometimes it can be very tempting, the colours are perfect... but is it pristine? is it the real colour or some photoshop picture? It is kind of sad to order something, you expect to be the perfect colour combination and then you get something completely different. :-\
thats life............
:)
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haha yes indeed :D
life oh life.... ;D
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The other thing i always worry is the colours... sometimes it can be very tempting, the colours are perfect... but is it pristine? is it the real colour or some photoshop picture? It is kind of sad to order something, you expect to be the perfect colour combination and then you get something completely different. :-\
Well, that is where the word "trust" comes in :)
For sure the plant you actually buy would/could be slightly different, why:
- because the plant you bought may not be a 'division' from that very same clone they took the picture of
- because if they are not clones you will always have some variation in the seedlings
- because their camera may not perfectly render the actual colour with every picture taken (see the colour difference on the lip in Marens pictures)
- because your computer screen may not be calibrated 'correctly' so that it does not render the colours as they should have been
too many variables ;D
+ ...a lot will also depend on you culture & conditions!
Did the plant suffer from a sudden heatwave (which has an influence on colours)?
Was it 'too dark' during development of the flowers (again the dreaded influence on colour)?
Which potting mixture do you use?
Which type of water?
Do you give fertilizer or not? And if you do.. which fertilizer! (yes, growers do from time to time notice a difference in colour depending on the brand they use...)
even more variables ;D ;D
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Thanks for the nice pictures showing the variation in P. praecox :)
Below two of my P. praecox clones. They are in reality more "red"/less "blue" but I make copies of the photos with the colour correction for my archive. Also the second clone shown gets darker once the flowers age...
Also, the second clone has three callus ridges while IMO the flower form and colour are rather a normal praecox than reichenbachiana-like... puzzling ???
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KBruyninckx I totally agree with you!
I have to say. If i choose to buy a plant from a nursery there is not much else to do than trust them completely. And i do trust them.
I know that the flower can't be exactly the same as in the photo for multiple reasons you just pointed out, but what does bother me is photoshoped pictures. I rather see lower quality picture and when the plant blooms it looks even better, then vice versa- the picture is perfect and the flower is a dissapointment. it's no problem with the slight differences but with the big differences ;)
What i wanted to say is, that i like pictures of flowers from the actual plant that is offered. And i see more and more people do that. :)
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Pleione maculata in flower now
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Beautiful, Tony !
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This might have been discussed earlier on. The pleione grandiflora 'pink' must be the same as pleione xbarbarae. Am I right?
Regards Erling
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This might have been discussed earlier on. The pleione grandiflora 'pink' must be the same as pleione xbarbarae. Am I right?
Regards Erling
This is copied directly from Paul Cumbletons website:-
P. x barbarae : Cribb applies "x barbarae" to plants which were previously thought to be pink variants of P. grandiflora and so were often referred to as "pink grandiflora". Recent DNA analyses seem to confirm these plants are hybrids, with true (white) P. grandiflora as one parent and P. bulbocodioides (or a similar species) as the other. The variability and vigour of these plants suggest that they are from a hybrid swarm with both F1 and backcrosses among them. Torelli's view at present is that he is unsure whether these plants and "x barbarae" (as described originally by a botanist called Braem) are the same thing. On his website he still has these plants as pink forms of P. grandiflora.
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This is copied directly from Paul Cumbletons website:-
P. x barbarae : Cribb applies "x barbarae" to plants which were previously thought to be pink variants of P. grandiflora and so were often referred to as "pink grandiflora". Recent DNA analyses seem to confirm these plants are hybrids, with true (white) P. grandiflora as one parent and P. bulbocodioides (or a similar species) as the other. The variability and vigour of these plants suggest that they are from a hybrid swarm with both F1 and backcrosses among them. Torelli's view at present is that he is unsure whether these plants and "x barbarae" (as described originally by a botanist called Braem) are the same thing. On his website he still has these plants as pink forms of P. grandiflora.
I have been wondering the same thing recently and had read the above information on Pauls website. I wonder though if there is an update to this as its a few years old now. Can someone confirm one way or the other? I have both P x barbarae and grandiflora 'Pink'. The latter which I bought without any knowledge of what it was or might be. I now have a large amount of both!! which I could mix if they are the same thing.
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Thank you fore clearing this up David . For me it is clear that the xbarbarae and grandiflora .'pink' must be the same. Not that I will mix the bulbs, since xbarbarae comes in many different clones, where of some are quite beutifull. Maybe one should make a collection off different xbarbarae clones.
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Maybe one should make a collection off different xbarbarae clones.
One should indeed(!) and then post pictures for all to enjoy :)
Which is in fact what I tell myself each year: that I should photograph every plant in the collection (not just the Pleiones), ah well the road to hell is paved with good intentions...
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Maybe one should make a collection off different xbarbarae clones.
I have done this with my x taliensis and now have three seperated clones, so I will begin to do this with the x barbarae and 'Pink' grandiflora next year. I don't know why I didn't think of it for these. ???
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Hello everybody !
@KBruyninckx, thanks for clarify that why color of the new bought flowers is different than flowers grown in our conditions. That explains a lot, but still in my opinion one of the important thing is seller's honesty. :)
@JPB, congratulations nice clones of Pleione praecox. Especially I like the second one. I suppose that intense color of both clones results from fact that flowers are fully mature. For me, flowers always at the beginning of growth are bright, and then darken as it ages.
I like Pleione praecox because they gladly grow and bloom, and they have fragrant flowers. Below is a photo of flowers my two clones of Pleione praecox.
By the way, in the next image you could see my another autumn Pleione Wharfedale 'Pine Warbler'. It is a pity that theirs flowers do not smell.
Regards,
Tamar
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And concerning Pleione x barbarae I agree that some forms of this cross have interesting flowers. During the various shopping I have amassed a small collection of Pleione x barbarae by accident. Here are photos of them flowers. As a curiosity I give the name of the species which I have bought :
1 - Pln forrestii Vietnam
2 - Pln aurita
3 & 4 - Pln grandiflora
5 - Pln grandiflora 'Pink'
Regards :)
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Hello Tamar
Nice collecting of xbarbarae, although they were bought as something else. I supposed all of us have experienced something like that. I specialy find your picture 4 Interesting. If you have a surplus of them, I will be interested.
Regards Erling
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Very nice pictures Tamar and good growing! ;)
I have two questions and i was hoping someone can help.
First one is about P. riah shan. Does it need to be kept cold during winter( in the fridge) or potted slightly moist and a bit warmer like P. praecox?
And i wonder about suitable orchid mix for P. Iris butterfield. Would the mix of bark and sphagnum be suitable for her or do you suggest pure sphagnum moss? Any suggestions about growing this one woud be very much appriciated :)
Best regards
G
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I pot up Riah Shan and put on a garage windowsill which is frost free. They do not need warmth like praecox and are more like Pleione Wharfedale but you do need to watch out for early flowering and new root growth. I have tried them over winter in the house but find the extra warmth causes the flowers to abort. Anywhere with some light which remains frost free will be fine until leaves are starting and flowers have gone. I then do bring them indoors as they will put on more growth very quickly giving an extended growing season and better bulbs. The garage is cold enough to allow a dormancy period if the plant wants it but will come to no harm if not (based on my garage).
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I grow my P. Iris Butterfield in the same compost, which I use for P. forrestii - the mix of medium bark and sphagnum. They grow very satisfactorily in that.
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Thank you both for your explanations ;)
So if i get this right P. Riah shan- poted in frost free garage where it flowers and starts to grow leaves and after that relocate in to the house for a good growth of bulbs. The watering probably starts when flowers are gone and roots start to grow? Just like other spring flowering Pleione?
P. Iris Butterfield... just an ordinary compost with some extra sphagnum.
Btw Karel i am still waiting for your online shop to open. :P Or is your catalouge allready out? ???
Regards
Gregor
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Two winter flowering ones now blooming with me: P. Tsingtau and P. Wharfedale 'Pine Warbler'.
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Hello,
Erling and G., thank you both for nice words. :)
I enjoy to be surprised, I like my flowers, but it is a pity that their prices were inflated. Oh well, such is life...
Erling I am glad to hear you like one of my Pln x barbarae. I have no surplus at the moment. I grow Pln 3 and 4 in the same flowerpot what you could see in the attached picture. I have to signalize that they were supposed to be Pln grandiflora and were bought in the same time and seller. I will need to share them. If you were interested in the next year you would let me know on priv.
@gregork, I saw that tips were already given to you. I have never grown spices which you listed so far but both type of substratum are good for Iris Butterfield in my opinion.
I consider that Riah Shan do not need a cooling in fridge. I would be growing it like Pln praecox and Pln Wharfedale. I would keep it in garage where will be temperature from 5°C till 10°C degrees.
I wish you good luck. Please let us know if it will blooming next year. :)
Regards,
Tamar
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Thank you both for your explanations ;)
So if i get this right P. Riah shan- poted in frost free garage where it flowers and starts to grow leaves and after that relocate in to the house for a good growth of bulbs. The watering probably starts when flowers are gone and roots start to grow? Just like other spring Pleione.
Regards
Gregor
Yes that is correct. New roots will of course start well before Spring Pleione. I have about ten Wharfedale in flower in the garage at the moment but no sign of Riah Shan doing anything yet.
@Tamar, my garage is far too cold for Praecox which are now indoors until next summer. Both maculata and praecox spend nearly all year indoors with me.
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Tnx Tamar, i sure will post some pictures when they bloom ;)
Slug killer, thats very interesting. So you are saying you grow your praecox indoors all year long. Even in winter at room temperature ( let's say between 18-23°C) ?
It is interesting, i know some are growing it semi-cold. Between 5-10 in winter like me, Karel is growing it cool. Arround 4°c i think ,and some apparently grow it warm all year long.
It probably depends on where perticular cultivar comes from originally ( higher or lower elevation ).
I dont have other explanation :)
I think it would be much easier to grow it indoors all year long on my windowsill. It is worth trying but i will stick with the first opton (semi-cold) since it is the first year i have it and i dont want to mess things up :)
Nice day to everyone ;)
G.
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Mine are in a room that is only used for storage and does not have the radiator on so it will be colder than that. The clones I have originated from Thailand.
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My experience of growing praecox in a warm room with maculata is that it totally throws their growth cycle and they do crazy things like flowering in July/August and are in full leaf now. But, in the short term, (3-4) years it does not appear to have hurt them as I have increased my number and have some huge bulbs this year and so I am treating it just like any other non-seasonal tropical orchid and letting them do as they wish. My praecox came from David (Slug Killer).
My only other alternative is a very cool greenhouse, minimum 2/3. They liked that even less and now there isn't any room anyway!
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Tnx David ;)
And Steve... very interesting. I will definetely try this, once i build up my collection :)
Regards
G
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Hello,
Orchids amaze as ever :)
Pleione praecox (pictured below) I have cultivated for 6 years. At the beginning I kept it only indoor on the north, unheated window in the kitchen. In the winter temperatures carried out approx. 14-18*C. These conditions were not good. Pleione began vegetation too quickly and in the end of the season its pseudobulbs were smaller than previously and have no inflorescence. In the next year I left my praecox in the garage. There was mostly temperature 5*C in winter's time, and occasionally rises to max 12*C, when the sun shining. These conditions just have been proven to be good for my plant.
I have Pleione maculata recently. In the first year of cultivation I left it with praecox in the garage for the winter. It did not grow so well and bloomed only one flower. This season I have tried to have it warmer along with the Cattleya. It gets worse. ??? Pleione maculata do not flowered and now still has leaves! A week ago I carried it to the garage. I return to cooler growing conditions, it is better to have one flower than ever ...
Cheers :)
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Very nice pot of Praecox Tamar and tnx for the tips of how you grow them ;)
regards
G
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Gregor, thank you and regarding tips - you are welcome. :)
Greetings from Poland.
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Hello
I have seen an advert on Ebay.de, selling a plant called pleione dongshanense. Picture of bulb shows small bulb but flowering size. Would it be a synonym for pleione hookeriana?
Can anybody help?
Regards Erling
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Hello
I have seen an advert on Ebay.de, selling a plant called pleione dongshanense. Picture of bulb shows small bulb but flowering size. Would it be a synonym for pleione hookeriana?
Can anybody help?
Regards Erling
Not a name I've ever heard of and probably made up to attract business. Bulb looks wrong shape for Pleione hookeriana that I've had in the past. At a guess if it is a species I'd say small limprichtii or pleionoides but that is just a guess.
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You might be right, but it certainly attracted attention - £30. Pretty much to pay for Pln limprictii or plenioides.
Regards Erling
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Hello!
I hope you're all alright and that you have your orchids in a safe place. I heard you have a really bad weather these days in the UK. Lots of wind and rain. I hope your basements and garages didn't get flooded and all the Pleione destroyed since this is a place we like to keep our children over winter ;) :S Even here it is very windy...
So i hope you are OK.... And Merry Christmas to everyone :P ;D
Regards
Gregor
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I'm wondering a little about hte differences between Thai and Indian praecox. It seems like the Thai clones doesn't trhrive as well as the Indian clomes. Maybe they find that it is too cold and shold go with maculata. Anyone have anu observatios?
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Pleione Barcena flowering for the 1st time for me.
Happy New Year and good growing to everyone.
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I find this the best winter flowering hybrid.
Grows easily and quickly.
I keep the pan in an unheated greenhouse until the buds are visible then into the house for flowering.
The leaves then grow very slowly and I don't water until I start to water the spring flowering clones,
Regards,
David
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Very nice Barcena and a pot full of wharfedale. nice growing ;)
And happy new year to all :)
Regards
G
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Love your wharfdale pine warbler David. It is one of my favourites, if only the flowers had longer stems. Admire your patience in arranging them so that all the flowers hang over the edge of the pot. My own pot is a total mess due to the number of bulbs with 2/3 flower spikes and double flowers per spike, but I suppose that I shouldn't moan as this means 2 or 3 new bulbs next year
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Steve,
agreed about the stems on wharfedale - they are a problem.
I don't have any double flowering stems as I did not repot the bulbs last autumn so they
were rather crowded this last summer.
This meant smaller bulbs overall although the rate of increase is still good.
David