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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: Janis Ruksans on August 31, 2012, 07:43:49 PM
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Although up to September still remain few hours, I decided to start new topic because those flowers, regardless of opening during 31st of August really will bloom in September.
I'm starting with C. karduchorum - easily identifiable by its multi branched white stigma. Unfortunately it hybridizes with kotschyanus, then stigma became yellowish, but may be it is only variation in colour?
Some other pots of scharojanii flavus started blooming.
Another "new-comer" this autumn is kotschyanus cappadocicus, collected at its locus classicus
One of greatest surprises was two flowers on pot sawn in 2010 - seem to be suworovianus (upper half of label with name is broken off and lost).
Started to bloom some more suworovianus. Both are from same pass, but collected at different altitude during different expeditions.
Something mysterious is crocus labeled as suworovianus f. lilacinus - very similar to kotschyanus, but collected in good distance from other known localities of kotschyanus where just suworovianus is distributed. This plant confuses me.
Janis
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Some lovely flowers there Janis. Just back from a long family holiday - no crocus repotted yet and tomorrow I have to go back to work :'(
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Nice variation in this pot of Crocus suworovianus
Poul
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Very smart , Pehe. 8)
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Nice variation in this pot of Crocus suworovianus
Poul
I'm naming such specimens C. suworovianus var. lilacinus
Janis
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Cool nights and sunny days, a good time for new flowers.
In pots Crocus kotschyanus ssp.cappadocius
and vallicola.
In a open bed the first Crocus speciosus ssp. speciosus from Lake Abant.
Only some metre from this place, the greatest enemy for Crocusses.
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Crocus speciosus oxonian
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Cool nights and sunny days, a good time for new flowers.
In pots Crocus kotschyanus ssp.cappadocius
and vallicola.
In a open bed the first Crocus speciosus ssp. speciosus from Lake Abant.
Only some metre from this place, the greatest enemy for Crocusses.
Dirk, good to see that you caught the crocus enemy!
Hopefully it has not eaten any of your beauties. I have a cat, so I have no problems with mice - but unfortunately the cat likes the sunny places as much as my crocuses. Then the flowers are very short lived!
Poul
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I'm naming such specimens C. suworovianus var. lilacinus
Janis
Janis, thank you for the name correction!
Now the pot of Crocus suworovianus var. lilacinus is flowering for the second time this year.
In the garden Crocus banaticus and C. speciosus has started flowering.
Poul
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I'm so busy with replanting (want to finish in September) that haven't time for forum, but today first flower of my newly described Crocus speciosus ibrahimii appeared in my collection and I want to share this joy with others. Thank you, Ibrahim, for information about this wonder of W Turkey!
Janis
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What a beauty, Janis! 8)
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Thank you, Maggi.
So few more rarities - of course the first (after ibrahimii) on line is Crocus autranii - marvellously blooming this autumn.
Rare is Crocus carduchorum, too. I like its white stigma, sometimes turning yellowish with age of flower.
This is very dark toned Crocus kotschyanus cappadocicus.
Great joy for me this autumn is Crocus kotschyanus hakkariensis. After very long search and testing of many samples from different sources, finally got true one - with prominent hairs in throat (thank you, Dirk!). May be not so prominent on pictures, but clearly visible in flowers throat using very good glass (20x).
Janis
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My first crocus this Autumn
Crocus pulchellus
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The first autumn flowering Crocusses are starting to bloom here:
Crocus cancellatus subsp. cancellatus
Crocus kotschyanus subsp. kotschyanus
and Crocus banaticus 'Novak White'
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Lovely autuum croci images from everybody. 8)
After stock taking I've sadly to confirm ~95% losses of my crocus collection, speci tulips and others which were planted in my raised beds.
The black frosts from February left a horrible result :'(. Consider to make it from the scratch next year.
Not a single crocus flower yet in the meadow,too. I hope for a few next month... :-\
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Oh dear, Armin, that is very bad news. I know that Hubi has also lost many bulbs this year.
Tough times for many bulb growers. :'(
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Indeed Maggi, tough times.
Nevertheless, I have the hope 'the survivers' will have all strong genes and are more robust to deal with my local weather conditions.
Before making new investments in corms & bulbs I'll wait until spring to see what is left over in the meadow.
Then I take a time and make a new plan...
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Nice Croci from all,
here some flowers yesterday:
Crocus banaticus
`` hadriaticus ssp.hadriaticus
`` speciosus ssp.speciosus, selection with great flower and short stem from
Abant Lake population, 2x
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Judging by very few entries this September it seem that last winter was real disaster for most of croconuts. With me blooming is quite poor, too. But few flowers I can show you. Most are another pictures of earlier shown species as Crocus autranii - now pot full with flowers. This one not suffered at all.
Another beauty is Crocus speciosus - many samples start blooming during last weak. Especially beautifull is new one subsp. archibaldii - two more pictures now, when it is in full bloom.
Another speciosus is the first blooming of speciosus collected during my last trip to Georgia in spring 2010 - CMGG-018 (2 pictures) - CMGG - Colin Mason's Georgian Group.
Following is speciosus received from Dirk as Crocus sp. collected at Pinarbasii in Turkey.
LST-402 looks as ilgazensis, but number certainly is wrong, because this one number belongs to cancellatus and baytopiorum collected together (corm tunics are unseparable) S of Denizli. Compare the height of stigma relating to anthers in this one and in Georgian plants. I don't think that during LST expedition we visited ilgazensis localities, so its origin remain mysterios for me. But may be it is seasonal variation. Really speciosus can be foundable even near Denizli and more to South.
And as last is the first flower of Crimean Crocus pallasii subsp. pallasii.
Just started blooming of C. vallicola, but it was too early to make picture. It is great surprise for me, because vallicolas seriously suffered last winter.
Janis
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Here the fabulous crocus nudiflorus is enjoying the late september sunshine, kept company by the excellent crocu speciosus 'Aino' and another one of my favourites, crocus kotschyanus, flowering amonghst cyclamen hederifolium 'red sky'
Pontus
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Kotschyanus..which did not attatch correctly in the first post...
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After stock taking I've sadly to confirm ~95% losses of my crocus collection, speci tulips and others which were planted in my raised beds.
You're not the only one Armin. This years very hot March fininished off my already struggling collection. I will start again also
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No problems with losses here, I am seeing a recovery after the decimation of the arctic blast at the end of 2010 which wiped out all crocus in my greenhouse and set others back. Thankfully I escaped the black frost, it was very cold but the plants were relatively dry and protected in the frames so no damage there. I watered and shaded in March which was followed by a long cool spell, good for keeping the plants in growth and building up the corms.
The lack of flowers from me is mostly due to delayed repotting, they are only now getting their first watering and it looks like a cold, wet week which is fine by me .... looking forward to some warm sunshine in a October!
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I have very few losses among my autumn flowering crocus and have not entirely lost a species. But the flowering is a bit later than previous years for some species. But valicola is later!
Crocus kotschyanus cappadocicus and speciosus are flowering now.
C. nudiflorus, speciosus Oxonian, speciosus Albus, valicola, gilanicus, banaticus Snowdrift and robertianus will follow soon.
Poul
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I have very few losses among my autumn flowering crocus and have not entirely lost a species. But the flowering is a bit later than previous years for some species. But valicola is later!
Crocus kotschyanus cappadocicus and speciosus are flowering now.
C. nudiflorus, speciosus Oxonian, speciosus Albus, valicola, gilanicus, banaticus Snowdrift and robertianus will follow soon.
Poul
Here only Crocus banaticus and banaticus 'Snowdrift ' are flowering for the moment . Crocus kotschyanus cappadocicus wil follow this week . Al the other ones don't show much of activity ....
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The beautifull crocus banaticus has just opened here. Strangely enough the flower this year is a deep magenta purple, while last year it was more light purple...any ideas on why this is? (i only have 1 bulb, and no seedlings so far, so the change in colour is not due to seedling variation...)
I have started growing more of my autumn crocuses in pots, as i find that usually, at the end of september and early october, at the peak time in flowering here for autumn crocus, we get torrential rain and cold, so the flowers get damaged by rain and slugs, and dont open fully.
It is also easier then to bring the pots indoors, where the flowers can open nicely. I find that it is not as much sun or light that makes crocus flowers open, but heat. Even on cloudy warm days here my speciosus are usually fully open.
i am always amazed by banaticus and its peculiarly disposed petals of unequal size, and the fact that it flowers from such a small corm!
I am crossing my thumbs for a nice flowering on my white banaticus "snowdrift", still not showing any sign of growth, also in a pot...
crocus palasii tauricus (or is it turcicus?) also opened today
Pontus
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Hi Pontus,
I would say that the colour change is more than likely due to the effect of the direct light under which the flowers are observed. Many of these flowers have a colouration which is metameric. Observe it under indirect Northern daylight to observe its 'true ' colour. ;)
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A couple of Crocus cancellatus, a nice gift from a forumist.
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Hello,
Croci are starting now in the open ground, nothing yet under glass!
C. goulimyi
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The beautifull crocus banaticus has just opened here. Strangely enough the flower this year is a deep magenta purple, while last year it was more light purple...any ideas on why this is? (i only have 1 bulb, and no seedlings so far, so the change in colour is not due to seedling variation...)
I have started growing more of my autumn crocuses in pots, as i find that usually, at the end of september and early october, at the peak time in flowering here for autumn crocus, we get torrential rain and cold, so the flowers get damaged by rain and slugs, and dont open fully.
It is also easier then to bring the pots indoors, where the flowers can open nicely. I find that it is not as much sun or light that makes crocus flowers open, but heat. Even on cloudy warm days here my speciosus are usually fully open.
i am always amazed by banaticus and its peculiarly disposed petals of unequal size, and the fact that it flowers from such a small corm!
I am crossing my thumbs for a nice flowering on my white banaticus "snowdrift", still not showing any sign of growth, also in a pot...
crocus palasii tauricus (or is it turcicus?) also opened today
Pontus
Flower colour can to change from year to year, mostly depends from temperature.
C. banaticus Snowdrift is one of latest cultivars, so don't worry. Earliest is First Snow, follows traditional blue and ends with Snowdrift (at least with me).
Correctly C. pallasii turcicus
Janis
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:)
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A couple of Crocus cancellatus, a nice gift from a forumist.
The single is a beauty and certainly C cancellatus. The pair of flowers have me puzzling ... if I did not know what they are I would say Crocus speciosus but as I say in the Crocus lecture, flowers alone are not the best way of telling the taxa apart.
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some new flowers in this days:
Crocus boryi
cambessedesii
nudiflorus 'Orla'
serotinus ssp.salzmannii
kotschyanus ssp.kotschyanus 'Albus', thanks Janis
mathewii and mathewii in pink
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My first crocus of this season is here.
C. pallasii turcicus
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An ominously slow start to my Crocus season with just cancellatus ssp cancellatus in flower and nothing else showing at all although I gave them their first watering some two weeks later than normal this year.
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An ominously slow start to my Crocus season with just cancellatus ssp cancellatus in flower and nothing else showing at all although I gave them their first watering some two weeks later than normal this year.
Still beaten me David - plenty of time yet!
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Ibrahim, wonderful pallasii turcicus!
A slow start here, but hopefully many more to come. Flowering today:
1 Crocus banaticus with pollinator
2 The same banaticus clearly pollinated
3 Crocus nudiflorus
4 Crocus nudiflorus in competition with Colchicum speciosus Album
5 Crocus kotschyanus cappadocicus over it's best but with wonderful markings
6, 7, 8 Crocus valicola
9 Crocus gilanicus
10 Crocus serotinus clusii Poseidon
Poul
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Still beaten me David - plenty of time yet!
Succour for a tortured soul ;D
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speciosus 'Aino'
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Crocus speciosus ssp ilgazensis. First of many :D
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.................First of many :D
I'm ever hopeful!
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Only some metre from this place, the greatest enemy for Crocusses.
I see you are using the same trap as I do
After trying a lot of things I have found this to be the best way to get rid of them.
Tallyho ;D ;D
Göte
PS.
Mice are also bad if the corms are not deep enough. I put a metal net on top