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Specific Families and Genera => Amaryllidaceae => Topic started by: Hans J on August 10, 2012, 02:49:29 PM
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Wonderful flowers in this days :
Nerine laticoma
Enjoy
Hans
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Hans,
Great closeup. It's often so hard to properly photograph those smaller species. You've captured it beautifully!
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Paul - thank you !
this is really not a small species :D
Hans
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I still thought that laticoma isn't exactly large is it? Now you have me wondering whether what I grow as laticoma is correct?
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Paul .
my plants comes from a "shure" source ...please look in the www and you will see that all N.laticoma have this size
I have just taken for you a other pic - the umbel has a diamter of 30 cm ....
Hans
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So how big are the leaves on yours? I think mine is definitely incorrect. Mine is much smaller than that. Sorry for having commented on it being small at the beginning.... I didn't realise it wasn't. :-[ :-[
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Paul ,
the leaves of my plant are 1,4 cm broad and 28 cm long
Are the leaves of your plant twistet ?
If yes so it could be N.krigei
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Hans,
No, I have krigei as well (I love the twisted leaves). Mine looks more like angulata I guess, nothing like 30cm wide in the flowerhead. I must check up on it after these last couple of wet summers. I don't recall seeing it this year, so hopefully whatever it actually is is still there. ;D
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Nerine krigei starts flowering here
this selection has a small green stripe in the flower
Leaves are from Scadoxus where the to heavy flower leans on
Roland
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yes, laticoma is part of the fabulous group of large flowered nerines, really impressive! together with falcata, huttonniae and i believe also appendiculata.
there is also a white form of laticoma
pontus
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Nerine gibsonii, a little past it's best here today. This plant was a replacement by a kind friend, for a potful which I thought I had lost in the hard winter two years ago -at around minus 18 C. However some fragments did survive and that pot is increasing though not back to flowering yet.
Nerine platypetala is just showing a scape here too.
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Nice one Peter
I hope mine will flower this year
so i can see if it is the true one
Roland
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I'm envious of the gibsonii. I had one that turned out not to be gibsonii according to Graham Duncan. It supposedly originated with maybe Harry Hay? I can't remember the details.
I have krigei and a narrow-leaf laticoma in bloom. Also in bloom but not yet photographed (too much rain) are hesseiodes, a dwarf angustifolia, and [filifolia x krigei].
Jim
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Jim:
Do you keep the N. angustifolia evergreen?
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Are you late with the Nerine krigei
mine are out of flower (not a single seed this year) sins weeks
I hope you can post N. hesseoides
never seen that one
Roland
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Arnold, the angustifolia is almost evergreen, in pots on the floor of the old greenhouse (for the winter-growing Haemanthus).
Roland, the hesseoides that I have is similar to gracilis but with much shorter stems. It could be gracilis, since the rarest nerines I've acquired have a tendency to turn out to be variant forms of commoner, similar-looking species. (A possible down side to knowing Graham). I will eventually post a picture. My krigei bloomed up to a few days ago.
Jim
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I have the same experience wit less usual sp. and ssp.
that's why I love the fora
at least many times I swap, the plants are true
I would like to see the picture of N. hesseoides
Roland
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Here is what I am growing as "hesseoides." The flowers are 20 mm diameter at their widest. The bulbs are growing in a 1-gal. pot (18 cm diameter x 18 cm deep). I can make a few more measurements if you like.
Jim
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This is Nerine (filifolia x krigei), my #1352. The flowers are 45 - 55 mm across the face at widest point. The bulbs are growing in a 1-gal. pot (18 cm diameter x 18 cm deep). The leaves are intermediate between the parent plants in width, mostly flat, with perhaps a half-twist along their length. They turned out not to be at all hardy in my climate, even though the filifolia parent came from the highest Drakensberg, or so I was told.
Jim
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Hello Jim,
To me, the hesseoides looks a bit similar to nerine gracilis, but i have never seen hesseoides, so it might be that sp that you have..
Pontus
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I feel the same Pontus
really looks as gracilis
as Jim mentioned already
Roland
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Finally!!!, after 5 years of trying to grow this fabulous species, and 2 years whaiting to get this particularly large specimen sized bulb to flower, i finally managed, with alot of patience, heavy liquid feeding, and a hot and dry summer rest, followed by 2 inundations with liquid feed in mid auguat, to get nerine huttonniae to flower! what a fabulous sight, in the late evening sunshine, which makes teh flower petals almost glister in the sun!
I have some other bulbs grown since 2007, that are not yet flowering. This sp must be one of the slowest growing bulbs on earth! a 10-15 year old bulb from seed is only 2, perhaps 3 cm's across, and they need, in my experience, to be at least 4 or 5 cm's across. They seem to grow only about 0.5 cm's in almost 5 years..so i imagine my largest bulb must be at least 20-30 years old!
i also like the anthers, which are bright red, almost like red coloured spaghettii! and teh long lime green leaves!
Pontus
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after a long time waiting ( bulbs received from a friend in 2006 ) first flowers on my
Nerine humils
Enjoy
Hans 8)
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Hans,
Surprising that it has taken 7 years to flower for you. :o I find it flowers every year for me here, even when it hasn't been repotted for years. Dividing this species up doesn't seem to bother it in the slightest either, continuing to flower happily unlike some of the species that resent disturbance. I'm guessing it is our hotter summers, or else just the clone I have that flowers so well. :-\
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Finally!!!, after 5 years of trying to grow this fabulous species, and 2 years whaiting to get this particularly large specimen sized bulb to flower, i finally managed, with alot of patience, heavy liquid feeding, and a hot and dry summer rest, followed by 2 inundations with liquid feed in mid auguat, to get nerine huttonniae to flower! what a fabulous sight, in the late evening sunshine, which makes teh flower petals almost glister in the sun!
Pontus, I don't know in which climate you live, but I grow Nerine huttoniae outdoor in Mediterranean climate, with winter rainfalls and this species flowers every year in late August or September, it doesn't mind winter dry rest. Nerine laticoma instead seems to don't adapt to my climate, it probably reset the winter rainfalls, but I have some small plant started from seed in Northern Hemisphere and seem to adapt much better.
Angelo Porcelli
Apulia - Southern Italy
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Hans,
Surprising that it has taken 7 years to flower for you. :o I find it flowers every year for me here, even when it hasn't been repotted for years. Dividing this species up doesn't seem to bother it in the slightest either, continuing to flower happily unlike some of the species that resent disturbance. I'm guessing it is our hotter summers, or else just the clone I have that flowers so well. :-\
Paul ,
the bulbs what I have received ( N.humilis ) was small ....so they need some time :D
But I have really to say that many Amaryllids are for me like Primadonna ( in germany we say "Zicken" )they flowers really spontan and if anything is wrong with the clima they do not flower...when I think on my collection with cacti - they are really easy with flowering - every year !
Hans
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in this time is flowering here a Nerine which I have received a Ammocharis baumii....but some nice members told me that this plant name is wrong .
Jim Shields thinks it is a Nerine filifolia ( I think now he is right )
I'm a little dissapointet that I have not the Ammocharis ...but Nerine filifolia is also a pretty plant !
Hans
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Three that caught my eye this afternoon, especially the very large pearly white/pink.
johnw - +5c and gloomy now, +20c tomorrow.
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It's the purple one which have caught my eyes John :o
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I miss my Nerines which were all killed in winter 2010 :'(
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It's the purple one which have caught my eyes John :o
That's certainly a luscious colour.
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Hi everybody.
Good diversity of nerine that you have.
I have only one species of nerine and some are in pot since two year and i have floring in december in indoor last year.
I have many in pot but in the garden , they flowering at the moment , i hope keep some photos this weekend for you.
All of then return in the house for the winter.
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Mrs Moore x Carmenita
From J.T. Bennett-Poe Esq. VMH
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Here's the rest of the description of half the cross.
Nerine Mrs. Moore from J. T. Bennett-Peo, Esq. This plant carried a very tall scape with a very full corymb of rosy-crimson flowers with long undulating segments.
From Journal of the Royal Horticultural Society, Volume 28 1903
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Missed most of this particular wave of Nerines but here are the remaining three. Some strangely coloured central stripes on the rosy pink and salmon. Aside from the colours nothing to write home about.
johnw
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3 nicely distinct colours, John.
I think nerines are one of the most worthwhile bulbs to plant in Melbourne as they are so adapted to the climate. Up here in the country we have more frost and the leaves need some protection. Last winter we didn't get flowers on the winter ones because of the frosts.
They are so easy to hybridize as well with their prominent anthers and the stigma which signal when it is receptive by splitting into three at the tip.
cheers
fermi
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fresh from the garden :
Nerine humilis v. breachiae
Hans 8)
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fresh from the garden :
Nerine humilis v. breachiae
Hans 8)
Nice Hans very nice!
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Hans,
How does it differ from the "normal" species humilis? I love the species, such a cool stripe on the flower. ;D
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Thank you Dave and Paul ,
please look answer Nr. 22 ...there is the normal form
Hans
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I promise you my nerine in flowering
This is in my Ardennes Garden this weekend.
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-ZGIr2dM1kfA/UIV__-olF5I/AAAAAAAABMY/EcTnz63qEUs/s912/IMGP1536b.jpg)
I have only pink form at the moment.
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Hans,
In that case, what I grow here as humilis is actually humilis var breachiae. I didn't realise. Mine looks nothing like your #22 posting, but exactly like your breachiae posting. That is why I asked how it differed from the straight species, as it looked like mine which I thought WAS the straight species. I really like the straight species, as it almost gives the effect of a dark throat on white. When you originally posted that I just put it down to differences in lighting etc and a first flowering, not realising it was so different to mine.
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Paul ,
I have just loooked in Kew notes ...N.breachiae was earlier a own species ...it is now included under N.humilis
Maybe if we could see the natural variation on the habitat we would also all put together ?
Hans
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Yes, most likely. It's always easier when you have time and experience behind you to see differences where there originally weren't any seen. ;D 20/20 hindsight.
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Hi Nerine fans ,
I have to give away (~ 20 ) seeds of Nerine laticoma ( please look for pics on the begin of this topic) - mostly with a first root :D
and I'm looking for :
Nerine gibsonii
hesseoides
platypetala
duparquetiana
Please send me your offer with PM
Hans
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Nerine bowdenii wellsii blooming in the greenhouse.
Jim
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Here's a pure white.
Nerine Blanchfleur
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Nerine bowdenii wellsii blooming in the greenhouse.
I selfed these flowers, and it looks as if I'm getting some seeds forming.
Jim
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WOW
that's a nice pure one
Sarniense ??
Roland
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Nice Blanchfleur Arnold.
Jim - Have you tried wellsii outdoors? In 2008 Gerd K. kindly sent me seeds and in autumn 2010 2011 I planted some good-sized ones about 1 foot from the house foundation and a few in the middle of the yard. The ones one foot from the house survived nicely even small ones, I cannot grow regular bowdenii anywhere but against the foundation. The ones in the middle of the yard failed to show which is no surprise but I wonder if puddling atop them might have been the cause of their presumed demise.
johnw
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Roland:
I don't know anything about it. It was part of a rescue project after a grower passed and his collection was distributed.
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John,
I tried a field-hardy (in the Netherlands) clone of bowdenii from Aad Koen ca 10 years ago, out in the field here in Indiana. After 2 winters in the ground, there were maybe 6 bulbs left out of 40 to start with. None had bloomed. So I did move the survivors back into pots. They are pretty reliable bloomers for bowdenii, in pots inside in winter (now blooming) and outdoors in their pots in summer.
I could try some of these wellsii seedlings as well as some of the increase on Aad Koen's hardy lot outdoors in a protected spot (up against the foundation of a heated greenhouse). Next year; I'm through digging in the dirt for this season!
Jim
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I tried a field-hardy (in the Netherlands) clone of bowdenii from Aad Koen ca 10 years ago, out in the field here in Indiana. After 2 winters in the ground, there were maybe 6 bulbs left out of 40 to start with. None had bloomed. So I did move the survivors back into pots.
Jim - You might have been a bit impatient for flowers. Although props from mine flowered almost immediately in pots those outdoors took 20 years or more to start flowering. 8)
After 35 years the Lycoris radiata has yet to flower and I am impatient and have been for years.. As it grows in ditches I wonder if it should be kept wet year round.
johnw
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After 35 years the Lycoris radiata has yet to flower and I am impatient and have been for years.. As it grows in ditches I wonder if it should be kept wet year round.
I think Alberto gave this advice when I posted a pic of Lycoris radiata and Zephyranthes candida in flower together; however they were actually growing in a raised bed where they only get natural rainfall [summer dry]. I'm of an opinion that [at least in our garden] flowering seems to depend on how mature/established the bulbs are and if they get sufficient warmth during the summer. The two clumps we have are in completely different situations - the other is in a garden bed which gets occasional summer-watering and much more shade - and they both started flowering the same year - about 2 or 3 years after they were planted.
cheers
fermi
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Fermi, the knack would be to water abundantly when they are in flower.
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Fermi, the knack would be to water abundantly when they are in flower.
Good advice but I can only hold the watering can so long..... ;)
johnw
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A mid-season white - "Mother of Pearl', by no means a spectacular one but a clean white. This one was isolated last year as it showed signs of virus, this year the leaves look quite unstreaked. ???
johnw
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Thoroughly bizarre. Today the forum gives no indication a post has been successfully uploaded in fact one would presume it has not been uploaqded as on two ocassions it said warning another message has been posted. Last time and blank white page came up after it presumably uploaded a post.???????????????
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Probably just a hiccup caused by a brief interruption to your signal, John, which confused the system.
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Hi all. A seedling of Nerine sarniensis hybrid. My friend gave me several nerine hyb. bulbs last year and this is the first bloom at my house :)
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A DOUBLE FLOWERED NERINE HYB. IS ON A WEB AUCTION
I spotted a double flowered nerine hybrid is put up for sale on Yahoo Japan's site :o
The starting price is JPY 50,000- :o :o :o
http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f115864642 (http://page6.auctions.yahoo.co.jp/jp/auction/f115864642)
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Well I am just back from a good trip to England
good Nerine hunting
I will later post some nice pictures
first I have to sort out what i have
Roland
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Good shopping trip Roland, are you able to say where you bought from?
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Of-course David
I don't have almost no secrets where my plants come from
I bought 30 different ones from Nicholas de Rothschild at Exbury gardens
and an other 150 from Ken Hall from the Springbank nursery
both fantastic growers with a fantastic collection
this autumn was very late
so a fantastic view
I am now still after some good white named selections
Roland
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Many thanks Roland
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Are you after some special ones ??
Roland
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No, can't grow 'em, just interested.
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Ken has some fantastic hardy ones
I will post tomorrow some pictures
Roland
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Very tantalizing photos Roland !
I do grow several N. sarniensis hybrids, which are in flower right now, Afterglow, King of Belgians, Oberon, Rushmere Star, Baghdad, Janet, but I miss a good pure white indeed.
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I could only buy one N. Blanchefleur :(
I will post the next days some pictures from the ones I bought
Roland
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Roland - Nick sent me his catalogue. I see you took a truck taller than needed for the return trip home but just the right size for the sterling notes on the way over.
johnw 8)
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A nice bunch of nerine plants you got, Roland 8)
Another seedling of Nerine sarniensis hybrid from my friend :)
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I re potted a lot already
and still a lot to go
here the first pictures
Roland
Nerine Afterglow_7304
Nerine Andromeda_5160
Nerine Anne Baring X Pantalon_5172
Nerine Anne Baring_7308
Nerine Anne Rolls_7342_1
Nerine Annie Darling_7271
Nerine Arromanche_7259_1
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nerine Bach_7301
Nerine Bagdad_5138
Nerine Berliozi_7340_1
Nerine Betelgeuse_7220
nerine candy_5144
Nerine Candyfloss_7281
Nerine Caroline de Rothschild_7247
Nerine Clarabel_5205
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Roland :
Have you brought also other Nerines ( exept N.bowdenii + N.sarnienesis ) with you ?
Thank you in advance
Hans
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I bought on Ebay
Nerine falcata Red Form
Nerine laticoma Pink
Nerine platypetala
not sure if I can use there pictures
last time I had problems with Dylan bulbs
and I took the picture away
Roland
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Roland
I mean only your new plants from England ...
Hans
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No just hybrids from England
I try sins two years to buy one of the N. pudica from him
but he wants to keep them for himself
so if you know somebody ?????
Roland
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My little Nerine sarniensis is already with a little leaf 8)
As I'm new with this specie, wich cares shall I give it?
Thanks :)
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Well draining potting mixture
and keep it a little dry
most Nerines die from over-watering
watch out for these buggers
Pseudococcus citri
Roland
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here is my last nerine picture for 2012 :D
Nerine spec. received as N.filamentosa from Rare Plants ( I'm really dissapointing about this nursery :'( )
taken with a little sun and snow ...temperatur : -5°C
P.S.: a nice person from our forum told me yesterday that this name could be wrong ...after a long search in the WWW I have to agree that he is right ...
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here are pics of the true Nerine filamentosa from Jim Shields :
http://www.shieldsgardens.com/amaryllids/nerine-b.html (http://www.shieldsgardens.com/amaryllids/nerine-b.html)
can maybe anybody help me with a plant of a true Nerine filamentosa ?
Hans