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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: Paul T on August 01, 2012, 07:01:36 AM
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These are flowering for me at present.......
Narcissus romieuxii 'Ben 'Bler'
A polybox of Crocus tommasinianus from seed from Thomas H a few years back. Thanks Thomas. :D
One of the sharlockii group Galanthus nivalis
Grevillea bronwenae has the most beautiful furry orangey red flowers.
A couple of double Helleborus, the dark one much more towards black and the picture shows.
And lastly my own seedling from Anemone blanda 'Radar'. I think this is pretty similar to the parent, although not as large a white eye I think. Given how touchy 'Radar' is in Australia (I know no-one who has grown it well here for anything longer than a few years.... mine died out as soon as I tried dividing it to give it to friends) I am hoping this will give us a similar colour in blanda but actually able to be grown here in Australia OK. Not sure what I would name it if it does do well and I start to pass it around..... should I keep the Radar as part of it's name, or better to give it something entirely new so that there is no mistaking it for the poor performing (well poorly performing in Australia at least) parent? What do people think, and any ideas?
Click on a pic for the larger version.
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Anemone 'Off the Radar?' :)
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I like that Lesley, a lot!! My concern is that with the name Radar in it, people will just end up calling it Radar. My initial thought was to call it Aussie Radar or Canberra Radar, but was concerned they would just end up being put under the original name of Radar and there would be two different things under that name doing the rounds?
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Paul what aboute DOR Daughter Of Radar ;D
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Paul - an early worker (1917) on Radar (RAdio Detection And Ranging) was Nikolas Tesla. 'Tesla' or possibly 'Teslar' sound rather like cultivar names to me.
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I like both of those. Nice and obscure there Gerry. ;D I like it!! 8)
The other way of going is to name after someone or something, completely unrelated to Radar. I wonder if anyone in Australia is still growing 'Radar'? Otto had it after I did, but the wet summers have wiped it out recently, and I think Marcus no longer grows it (which is where I originally got it). I just hope it does survive and thrive here.... I'm not counting my chickens just yet. ;)
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Iris 'George'
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Narcissus romieuxii 'Julia Jane'
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Narcissus r. 'Mondieu'
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a seedling or a misplaced bulb of 'Mitimoto'!
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cheers
fermi
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Paul T, fermides, thanks! What a beauty you have in the spring! :)
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Strange for a northerner to look at these harbinger of spring now!
Paul, I have always heard that the true 'Radar' is sterile?
How hardy is Grevillea bronvinae? (Never heard of that species)
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Hoy,
The Grevillea bronwenae (sorry, I mispelt it in the original posting.... I'll go back and correct it) has done fine for me here in a pot in my garden this winter, down to around -6'C so far. It's close-ish to the house, but by no means frost protected. Mine is a grafted specimen, which helps a lot I think as some of the interesting Grevillea species have difficult root systems at times.
I too had heard that Anemone blanda 'Radar' was sterile, and I tried crossing it with my others each year by hand pollinating them. Every other year it was unsuccessful, but produced about 4 seed on one of the flowers one year. I mixed them with the blue seed I was collecting and then realised I shouldn't have. This 'Radar' seedling came up amongst the resulting seedlings when the seed was sown. I also have a nice pale pink one as well. As you can see from my seedling though, there is no way anything other than 'Radar' could have produced that colour. I was very pleased, particularly as by the time it flowered for the first time the true parent was dying out. From memory 'Radar' itself has a more pronounced white centre doesn't it?
I'm glad that some of you are enjoying the pictures. 8)
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I think it would be nice to name it for Yvonne but what about 'Canberra Raider?' or am I getting my League teams mixed?
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Lesley,
You've got your teams right. The name would be perfect. ;D They're predominantly bright green in the team colours though..... my seedling would clash rather badly. :D Naming it for Yvonne would be a definitely possibility. 8)
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Hoy,
The Grevillea bronwenae (sorry, I mispelt it in the original posting.... I'll go back and correct it) has done fine for me here in a pot in my garden this winter, down to around -6'C so far. It's close-ish to the house, but by no means frost protected. Mine is a grafted specimen, which helps a lot I think as some of the interesting Grevillea species have difficult root systems at times.
I too had heard that Anemone blanda 'Radar' was sterile, and I tried crossing it with my others each year by hand pollinating them. Every other year it was unsuccessful, but produced about 4 seed on one of the flowers one year. I mixed them with the blue seed I was collecting and then realised I shouldn't have. This 'Radar' seedling came up amongst the resulting seedlings when the seed was sown. I also have a nice pale pink one as well. As you can see from my seedling though, there is no way anything other than 'Radar' could have produced that colour. I was very pleased, particularly as by the time it flowered for the first time the true parent was dying out. From memory 'Radar' itself has a more pronounced white centre doesn't it?
I'm glad that some of you are enjoying the pictures. 8)
Thanks Paul.
Grevillea is a genus with lots of species I would love to try but unfortunately it is very difficult to find anything in Norway.
You are right about 'Radar'. It's a nice plant you've got, not second to 'Radar' itself.
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some of the thousands of selfsown seedlings of Crocus tommasinianus ( almost weed potential but nice ) flowering in my garden at the moment- also a feathered form
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here is the feathered form
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A great range of colours in there, Otto.
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Deeply disappointed that the few bulbs I was able to obtain last autumn of I. histrio, are in flower now and are all 'Harmony.'
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Lesley, that is a blow below the belt!
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Bummer, Lesley. NOT good. >:(
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Yes, I almost cried when I realized. When I was in hospital back in early June I asked Roger to see if he could find the little pale blue irises which I expected to be out or in bud by then but he couldn't see them even with best instructions. It wasn't until I was home that I found the pots and instead of irises in bloom, they had barely broken the pot's surface so I wondered then if something was wrong. 'George' which I had lost, turns out to be 'Pauline.' :'(
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Have you talked to your supplier? Here's hoping they will at the very least refund your money, or better yet give you what you actually thought you were buying. ???
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Yes, I almost cried when I realized. When I was in hospital back in early June I asked Roger to see if he could find the little pale blue irises which I expected to be out or in bud by then but he couldn't see them even with best instructions. It wasn't until I was home that I found the pots and instead of irises in bloom, they had barely broken the pot's surface so I wondered then if something was wrong. 'George' which I had lost, turns out to be 'Pauline.' :'(
Lesley i feel for you this has happened to me a few times.NOT GOOD.
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In my garden at the moment -
I have a pot of 3 or 4 Scilla siberica, only one of which has come up and flowered. I assume the others will follow in their own time...
This year is my first trying to grow Galanthus nivalis "flore pleno". It's only grown 10cm (4 inches) tall. I'm guessing it's too warm for it in my area? Mind you, July was warmer than average in Melbourne. I've read online that it can grow up to 30cm tall. Beautiful flower though.
I also like Crocus sieberi subsp. sublimis 'Tricolor'.
And lastly an anemone-centered hellebore.
Otto, I'd love to have such "weeds" in my garden. :) Your self-sown seedlings of Crocus tommasinianus look like an arrangement!
Fermi, you have some beautiful Narcissus. Your garden must be a treasure trove of beauty at the moment.
Paul - if your Anemone blanda 'Radar' seedling does well in Australia, maybe call it Durus Radar (durus being the latin term for "tough, strong, enduring")?
Lesley, my heart goes out to you with your iris mix up. There's nothing worse than after the long anticipation to find that your bulbs aren't the ones you were expecting. And speaking of iris reticulata "Pauline", I've looked online and it looks very similar to "Purple Gem". Are they the same? I've bought Pauline this year but it doesn't look like it will flower. :(
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In the midst of our lousy Summer here in the UK (at least in the South Western outposts of it) it's great to see your lovely stuff in the SH. Roll on Winter/Spring is all I can say.
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John,
Great pics. Love that pink anemone centred hellebore.
Thanks for the name suggestion. I like the idea of it (it does seem to be a more durable version ;D, at least so far), but I think that including 'Radar' in the name would be end up meaning that it would be shortened to 'Radar' and that would just lead to confusion.
Yesterday, whilst the phone to Otto, he suggested a great name for my blanda seedling. He suggested calling it 'Yvonne's Memory', after my late wife. I just love that as a name.... not as stilted as including the full surname in the name, which is how I was leaning prior to that. I still may go for the full name, but thought I would like to put Otto's suggestion up here as well and see what people think? I hope I'm not counting chickens before the eggs have hatched... but I figure if it has made it through the last couple of wet summers then I think it stands a good chance of surviving our normal conditions. ;D
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Lovely idea. "Yvonnes's Memory" it should be.
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Yes, I agree that 'Yvonne's Memory' is a lovely name.... and I also agree that including Radar in any way would have probably lead to confusion.
It is such a pretty flower and I think it would be super for it to have such a fine name for Yvonne.
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Paul, I think that's a great suggestion from Otto. When my father passed away (at a young age), one of his fellow members in the camellia society named one of his new hybrids after him. 21 years later and I still see it for sale at nurseries here and there. I think it's a beautiful tribute to name a plant after a loved one.
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Which Camellia is that one?
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Camellia japonica Keith Ballard. It was created by Dr Bob Withers who I believe was well known in various garden clubs here in Melbourne.
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Not one I've heard of or seen around here, but I'm no officionado. What is the flower like? I have about 40 or so Camellias, so a reasonable but by no means extensive collection. ;D
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Camellia japonica Keith Ballard. It was created by Dr Bob Withers who I believe was well known in various garden clubs here in Melbourne.
I did not know this camellia, but I found this link:
http://www.camellia.org.au/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=179 (http://www.camellia.org.au/coppermine/displayimage.php?album=1&pos=179)
What a beauty!
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It's a semi double, very pale pink. It's a bit more pink than the picture in that link, but that's the one. I'm not an aficionado of camellias either. I have over 60 in my garden but I only know the name of about 5 of them. I must get one of the camellia society members to come over one day and see if I can find out some more names! I know that my father created 3 hybrids but he never registered them.
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Has anyone collected seeds from colchicums? I have some colchicum zahnii (syn psaridis) that are seeding at the moment. I don't know whether I have to cover them to stop birds taking the seeds or whether the seeds are dispersed in another manner? I've never collected the seed before but now I've joined SRGC I thought they might be good for the exchange. I'm usually so preoccupied with my winter/ spring bulbs that I haven't noticed c. zahnii seeding in the past. The seeds are slowly rising. I assume they are ripe when they come away easily? Any pointers would be appreciated. You can see the seed pods in the centre of the plant in the image below.
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John:
You have to watch them closely. The pods will extend and turn brown. I think that the biggest problem may be ants who will grab the seeds for the sugary covering that some of the Colchicum have.
Getting them to germinate is an altogether different problem.
Arnold
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Thanks Arnold. I'm growing them in pots so I'll have to see if I can ant-proof the area (I don't like my chances).
As for getting them to germinate - that can be the challenge of whoever gets them in the seed exchange ;) (as long as the seeds are ready by then). Do you know how long the seeds remain viable?
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Jon,
The Camellia is lovely. I'll keep an eye out for it if I'm at a nursery. Not that I NEED any more camellias. ::) ;D Addiction, they name is Paul. :-\
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Oh, I hear you Paul. I went to Lambley Nursery (www.lambley.com.au (http://www.lambley.com.au)) today to see their garden full of Iris reticulatas (see image below) & Crocus vernus. I was only planning on buying one plant. I came away with six...
I have no idea where I'll fit them all. My garden is already overflowing with pots because I have no room (and horrible clay soil).
I was able to confirm with one of the staff at Lambley that some of my Iris reticulatas have a virus in them (see my previous post for a photo http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9264.msg252525#msg252525 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9264.msg252525#msg252525)). I must read more about the virus (if I can find information about it online). I've never had this issue before . I've pulled out the two affected plants and disposed of them. Fingers crossed that's the end of it. I'd hate it to go through my whole crop.
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Not sure about viability of Colchicum seeds. I posted a germination paper on Colchicum a while back. You may find it by doing a search. If not let me know by PM and I'll find it and send to you.
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If it is any consolation Jon many of the reticulatas on sale in the UK are virused too.
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Not sure about viability of Colchicum seeds. I posted a germination paper on Colchicum a while back. You may find it by doing a search. If not let me know by PM and I'll find it and send to you.
I think you just posted a note about having the paper, Arnold :
Re: Colchicum
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2010, 01:44:47 AM »
I have an update on germinating Colchicum seeds. I found an abstract in a journal " Propagation of Ornamental Plants' The abstract is titled Effects of stratification, temperature and light on seed germination of Colchicum Macrophyllum B.L. Burtt. I emailed the author and received a copy of the original article. The seeds that germinated best were kept warm 20+/- 5 C for 8 weeks and incubated at 15 C (76%) or 10 C (67%) in darkness. The rationale being that the embryo is not fully developed at the time of seed dispersal and a higher temperature for the pretreatment benefits its growth.
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I was thrilled recently by the appearance of this little flower - for the first time ever (for me!). It has taken five years from a packet of JJA seeds to reach flowering size - a second seedling is also starting to produce a bud, and hopeully some seed (when I pollinate it with pollen from the first) - a heat-tolerant strain of N. cyclamineus would be a welcome addition to my collection:
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That's a sweet little daff, Rogan, congratulations!
My Narcissus cyclamenius aren't in bloom yet, but some of the hybrids are out;
this is a new one from Keira Bulbs: KB-M-20-2002
And the first flowering of DBI 'Wanganui Gem'
cheers
fermi
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The retic iris continue! This one is 'Clairette' which is similar to 'Springtime'
cheers
fermi
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"That's a sweet little daff"
Yes, they certainly are, Fermi, and something I've wanted to flower for a very long time indeed.
I also have a few petuniod N. cantabricus (also ex. JJA seeds) making an appearance before the heat of spring sends them under! A few more miscellaneous Daffs are not far behind - something more to look forward to.
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The petunioid forms are really lovely Rogan, and nicely crimped as well, a good choice from the JJA list. If you can grow these from seed to flowering, I'd suggest you'll have success with many of the little ones, especially those from the warmer climates.
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Hi Folks from soggy Hobart.
A few iris and a crocus braving it.
danfordiae
Katharine Hodgkin
Purple Gem
Halkis
Frank Elder
George
And Crocus "Advance"
Got to go.
Cheers, Marcus
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Marcus,
I'll have to put the hard word on you for Iris danfordiae and 'Halkis' next year ;D
They're all looking good but the I. winogradowii hybrids won't grow here without a bit more cosseting than I'm likely to give them!
Here's a poor pic of the first blooms open on what I think is Narcissus willkommii,
cheers
fermi
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Fermi are they different to this little Narcissus species that is becoming my future sweep of them.
PT0428 just starting
PT0809 is a bit top heavy.
Cyclamen persica with a flash.
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Hi again,
Few more common crocus.
biflorus Ard Schenk
chrysanthus Dorothy
" Fuscotinctus
sieberi Tricolor
tommasinianus Pictus
chrysanthus EP Bowles
Cheers, Marcus
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Ooops! Interchange EP Bowles and Dorothy
Cheers, Marcus
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Hi Marcus,
I would also like to put in an advanced order for some Iris Halkis
if you have any for sale next year cheers,John Bartush.
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Hi everyone, some stunning plants there. So good to be thinking about spring!
This wee beauty opened this weekend, Thanks Betty! I have it labelled wrong, can you re-identify for me?
Cheers, Doug.
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Hi Folks,
A few little daffs from the cold little island.
Mitzy
Nanty (Is it virused? Has no signs in leaf but bizarre flower colour - Fermi you would grow it - any suggestions?)
Pirouette
Gypsy Queen seedling
Yella Fella
Rod Barwick is the breeder of Nanty and Yella Fella.
Cheers, Marcus
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Do I assume that people exist who can point out to me the differences between Narcissus 'Pirouette' N. 'Yella Fella' and Marcus' unnamed seedling :P
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Might need specs David??
The first one is downward facing, the second one has a "flat" halo of petals, the last is more reflexed.
BTW I didn't name the two with monikers and mine is the un-named one.
Hope that clears things up for the myopic.
M
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That's a very interesting flower, Doug, with more than its fair share of perianth segments. You didn't label it at all for us, does it have a name?
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Might need specs David??
The first one is downward facing, the second one has a "flat" halo of petals, the last is more reflexed.
BTW I didn't name the two with monikers and mine is the un-named one.
Hope that clears things up for the myopic.
M
.......... or a magnifying glass perhaps? Not getting at you particularly Marcus but it does seem to me that the two named forms are similar enough to fall within normal variation of the species and the proliferation of named forms is totally unnecessary (unless you are a nurseryman of course!). After all it's not as if we were discussing those little white things with bits of green that all look the same ;D
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Hi David,
Little pictures can be deceiving, Pirouette is very distinct, but I agree the other two are very similar, hence why I didn't name mine. I agree there are too many names out there and I also agree that snowdrops are a good case in point.
I was just posting what I had snapped that day to follow the theme set by Doug. I wasn't trying to showcase my catalogue.
BTW I found that reference to Fritillaria montana at Lake Aoos AFTER I returned home to Tasmania ???
Cheers, Marcus
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So many little bods with some cyclamineus in them. I have a lot, mostly with 'Gambas' as the other parent. The cyclamineus mother (seedlings) seem usually to have thinner, more spidery back petals, those with 'Gambus' mother have more width. I think every one is a delight but whether worth naming is doubtful. The eventual confusion will rival that of snowdrops.
Looking at out Biosecurity Index, it seems, if I'm not mis-interpreting it, we may now import Iris same as Narcissus, Crocus et all (Level 1), instead of the quarantine regime until recently. Regardless, would you please send me your bulb list this year Marcus. You didn't last time and I still want to import especially if I can do irises as well.
If it were not for the rain and wind of the last week and continuing fog and drizzle, I could post some super 'Chocolate Soldier' and others. A dozen CS flowers out at once briefly but now all turned to mush. It looks like spring but boy, it doesn't feel like it. Our predicted high for today - 9C!
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Lesley - I hope that's +9c.
johnw
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Oh yes it is John. I need to be more careful of how I place my hyphens. Though to be honest, it's jolly cold and still drizzling/foggy and generally nasty.
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Narcissus "Angel's Breath" has a beautiful light perfume.
A beautiful sunny day in Melbourne today (14 degrees). I'll send some nice weather over your way Lesley. ;)
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Hi Folks,
Gosh that triandrus hybrid is early - must be that extra warmth. Apparently it was the warmest July here in Hobart for 23 years.
Lesley I will see what i can do. But you know that we specialists are fighting a losing battle against the continual escalation by DAFF of over estimating risk, over-pricing (some woud say gold-plating) the response to that risk and passing these on as costs to the "client". Its but destroyed whats left of this segment of the industry.
I have a few more crocus to add to August.
Crocus biflorus from Rodos
Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolour from Ulu Dag
Crocus chrysanthus Herald
Crocus etruscus Rosalind
Crocus sieberi ssp sieberi originally from around Kallergi Refuge but might have a touch of bee interference.
Cheers, Marcus
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Great pics from everyone. Thanks so much for posting them all.
Marcus, I love that last sieberi ssp sieberi, whether it has been intereference or not. Lovely delicate colouration. All the others of the last ones you posted finished a couple of weeks ago now for me. Are they from earlier in the month, or are they still flowering for you?
I saw 'Nanty' at the Horticultural Society Meeting last night (someone had a few in to show, including that and Yella Fella.... all are beautiful) and it didn't look at all like yours. It was a pure colour, no markings etc, and lovely overlapping perianth. Very, very nice flower!!
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Hi Paul,
Yes they are, but not here at my place. These are up at Sally J's where I have a lot of my plants growing. I have had to remove the junos from there because the last 2 years have been just too wet. Its at about 500m, while I am at 200m, and right under the mountain. Crocus biflorus ssp pulchricolour thinks its died and gone to Heaven. Still have quite a lot of tommies to flower yet.
I don't want to start the battle of the daffodils but as I said little pictures can be quite deceiving. Do you or Fermi grow The Dansant? That is a hefty fellow. I visited a friend of mine's garden a couple of weeks ago and I was gobsmacked by the size of his clump of N. susanae!! I still cling to my meagre 3 while his has expanded to a veritable small lawn of the things (greeneyed monster almost overwhelmed me). I think he has some secret ingedient - unicorn dung?? His clumps of Ben B'ler, Mitimoto, Fyno and, well all those Barwick hoops were mucular, massive affairs.
Nice to talk to you (and others).
Cheers, Marcus
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Marcus,
I wasn't trying to start a war, just responding to your previous comment.....
Nanty (Is it virused? Has no signs in leaf but bizarre flower colour - Fermi you would grow it - any suggestions?)
The flower I saw of Nanty last night had none of the markings, and was quite a different shape. The perianth sat solidly back, and all the petals overlapped neatly, not outwards like yours in the picture showed. There was none of the white markings, which you were asking about. I would be concerned about virus, but as you say that usually shows up in the leaves as well, but the flower shape may also have been affected by the "colour" distortions as well? I realise that Environment can change the shape of the flower as well, particularly as your climate is so different from ours the last few years. ;D That was what I was trying to convey, not just saying "I think your Nanty is wrong", which I think is how you took my comment. Sorry that I wasn't clear. :'( I'll see if I can get a picture from the person who owned the plant I saw last night, so you can see what I was talking about.
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Hi,
Me being too sensitive about your comments? Nah ... :P
Well I was starting to feel a bit under pressure after the earlier comments. But I think this is now getting into the realm of misunderstandings. I THOUGHT you mean't Yella Fella!
I have grown Nanty for years, having obtained it from Rod Barwick, who in relative terms is almost my next door neighbour. I sent a bulb to Kath Dryden who proclained it as virused but I can't see any other signs and it certainly is vigorous. Thats why I asked the question. Maybe I could save us all a lot of speculation and pop out to Rod's and look at his stock. As an aside he still lists this as a fertile breeder but not as a blue ribbon winner on the show bench.
Kind regards, M
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Marcus,
To save you a possible trip, here's a link to the Nanty entry in Daffseek. What I saw last night was pretty much the same as the pics here. 8)
http://www.daffseek.com/query/query-detail.php?value1=Nanty&lastpage=1& (http://www.daffseek.com/query/query-detail.php?value1=Nanty&lastpage=1&)
Who am I to judge whether it is a blue ribbon winner on the show bench?....... but I love it!! ;D ;D I will hopefully be getting a bulb of it at some point in the future from the guy who had it at the Hort meeting last night.
Incidentally, the Yella Fella there last night looked like yours, from memory. Much more slender than Nanty, reminiscent of 'Little Gentleman', if memory serves me both on the plants last night and what LG looks like. :-\ I like all the cyclamineus types pretty much, so I'm biased. ;)
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Hi Paul,
Thanks for this. I think its the angle at which I have photographed the flower that is confusing the matter. You will also notice that as the flower ages the more its petals are backswept. Mary Lou's picture (1st one) compared say to the last clearly demonstrates this.
There are clearly white or pale markings present. In the first there is a strong medial line which apparently doesn't show up in the others BUT there are distinct white tips present in all the other pictures.
Looking at these I would say that mine has virus because the colour is blotchy and doesn't correspond to these marks.
Cheers, Marcus
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Marcus,
I'm glad that the daffseek was useful.
Visually last night, the flower looked yellow without any significant markings. There may have been white tips, I'm really not sure, but the flower definitely "appeared" all yellow (if you follow what I mean). I've asked the owner to take me a photo of the one from last night so that I can post it here as well.
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Thanks Joh, some decent sun would be appreciated very much. Actually we do have sun this morning but pallid and there's a frost to go with it, only about the 4th I think, this season. I see you've joined the Vic Grp of the AGS. I wish I could get to the meetings! :D
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Hi Folks,
Few more winter gems to wheel out:
Iris reticulata Clairette
One of several forms of Crocus tomm. albus
I think this is Crocus Lavender Stripe - came as albiflorus
Cyclamen coum Silver Leaf - one of many which came here as seed from Kath Dryden back in the 90s
Cyclamen persicum - seed from Rodos
Paeonia that has caused some discussion on the Forum - what is it? It comes true from seed and is the earliest here.
Cheers, Marcus
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Love the silver coum, Marcus. And that Paeonia is to die for!! :o
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Hi Paul,
I would like to know what the paeonia is??? I believe Trevor Nottle brought it into the country as seed of P. mascula ssp russoi. Otto could confirm this I think. Both Fermi and Lesley Cox have posted it on the Forum before and that name was disputed (for good reasons).
I kinda think it might be kesrouanensis (what a mouth full!) but I wouldn't put my money on it because we just don't have enough material out here in Australia to compare.
Kath Dryden was very kind to me when I first started collecting plants and things were easier then. I have sold literally thousands of cyclamen from those first gifts of seed.
I don't follow all the ins and outs of the genus now but I believe a goodly number of these coum displayed flattened , propeller-like flowers. I think these have been identified as crosses with C. alpinum and given the name Drydenae? Someone will no doubt confirm or clarify.
Cheers, Marcus
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Marcus,
No can help with the Paeonia name. I don't have that level of knowledge unfortunately.
I've often wondered about the coums that have much more flattened flowers but are still called coum. I had wondered myself whether there was alpinum in them.... interesting to hear that they are. As it was I was wondering what the definition of coum was, given that the alpinum were supposed to have the flattened flowers yet so many of the coum do as well. Some beautiful forms out in flower here at the moment as well, although nothing like that number of different ones you would have. 8)
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Not sure if this reference might help Marcus.
Helpmefind has sections for roses, clematis and paeony.
http://www.helpmefind.com/peony/l.php?l=2.49256&tab=7 (http://www.helpmefind.com/peony/l.php?l=2.49256&tab=7)
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I don't want to start the battle of the daffodils but as I said little pictures can be quite deceiving. Do you or Fermi grow The Dansant? That is a hefty fellow. I visited a
Marcus,
I was at a friend's place today and saw 'The Dansant'. Very pretty. I have a photo if you want me to post it?
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I have some nice seedlings of that paeony Marcus, from your seed and under that name but the picture I posted maybe last or a couple of years ago was in the Dn Bot Gardens and I don't think was labelled. Will go back soon and have another look.
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Marcus,
Don't let the DAFF put you off. There are too few selling your precious bulbs in Australia already. The community can't afford to lose your service. :'(
Lesley,
I wish you could come to the Vic group of the AGS too. Try and get a cheap flight for November 17 when John Grimshaw is coming to talk about Galanthus and Stephen Ryan about small bulbs. Marcus, are you going to come up for the talk? In fact I put a call out to all SRGC members from Australia & NZ to come for this event. It will not only be a fascinating day but it would be great to meet fellow members of the SRGC from the Southern Hemisphere. ;D
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I'd love to come over the water Jon and other things being equal, I would but I have my Czech conference all booked up now for next May - that's not so expensive but the airfare is - and we're in the middle of selling our place then, presumably moving so it just can't be done. I'll be with you all in spirit though. ;D
The continuous rain we've had for about 3 weeks (rain, fog, drizzle, mist and more rain, now a bit of sun but quite hard frosts) has had an effect. Seedlings up of juno and onco irises sown from 2006 - 8 and a lone seedling from 2008 sowing of Cyc. cilicium album. I had put that pot with some others to throw out but procrastination occasionally turns out to be a good thing. You'll be pleased to know Otto, that the junos/oncos are mostly the lot from Kammerlander which you shared with me. :-* :-* :-*
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Hi Folks,
Jon mark my words, before this decade is out there will not be a specialist plant segment of the industry in Australia. There will always be hobbyists but to make a living from it requires a viable market and reasonable and supportive regulations - these do not exist.
Thanks for the link Pat - I have taken a look and will now run my "ruler" over the paeony.
Lesley did you get any seeds of the other one, Paeonia mascula ssp hellenica? Its my favourite. I am very pleased to have the first flower bud ever on a plant of Paeonia clusii. Very exciting!
I am posting 2 slightly unusual frits:
Fritillaria kittaniae - seed from Cinekcibeli Pass near Elmali (lost half the seed out the window when my son wound it down while I was driving at full speed)
Fritillaria lusitanica - whatever?? Seed from, I think, Mojmir Pavelka. Very confusing group. Just had a squiz on Google images and didn't find any like mine but I did see a lot that looked like F. messanensis in its various guises.
Cheers, Marcus
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Hi Paul,
Yeah post The Dansant - its too big a flower for a well proportioned miniature I think.
Cheers, Marcus
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Fritillaria lusitanica - whatever?? Seed from, I think, Mojmir Pavelka. Very confusing group. Just had a squiz on Google images and didn't find any like mine but I did see a lot that looked like F. messanensis in its various guises.
Nice frit - will draw Ian's attention to these tomorrow.
It doesn't look much like the lusitanica on the Frit group site.... http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/Image%20Pages/fritillaria_lusitanica.htm (http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/Image%20Pages/fritillaria_lusitanica.htm)
Marcus: have you got records of stuff you've grown from Archibald seed over the years? I think you also sent him seed, too?
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More daffs in our garden:
Tracey
Jingle x Swagger
Little Beauty x N. cyclamineus
Itzim
Glenbrook Belle
cheers
fermi
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Nice Fermi, I like the Jingle x swagger plant.
Maggi - I don't know what the blasted frit is - it looks like a cross between F. spetsiotica and F. crassifolia ssp kudica! Only joking :P
Yes I do have some of Jim's seed raised plants here and I would like to contribute but not just now. I am run off my feet - been away OS for 2 months and have a catalogue currently out there. The only reason I am posting now is that I have the flu and I am forced to stay indoors for part of the day. I will have more time next month and will contribute - promise.
I also sent seed to Jim both from collections in Greece and here in Tasmania - are you interested in this stuff?
Cheers, Marcus
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Nice frit - will draw Ian's attention to these tomorrow.
It doesn't look much like the lusitanica on the Frit group site.... http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/Image%20Pages/fritillaria_lusitanica.htm (http://www.fritillaria.org.uk/Image%20Pages/fritillaria_lusitanica.htm)
According to Rix in Flora Europaea, F. lusitanica is extremely variable & in the past attempts have been made to subdivide it, though the results are unsatisfactory.
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Yes I do have some of Jim's seed raised plants here and I would like to contribute but not just now. I am run off my feet - been away OS for 2 months and have a catalogue currently out there. The only reason I am posting now is that I have the flu and I am forced to stay indoors for part of the day. I will have more time next month and will contribute - promise.
I also sent seed to Jim both from collections in Greece and here in Tasmania - are you interested in this stuff?
Cheers, Marcus
Yes, interested in all that stuff too - at your own pace!
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Hi Folks,
Yes I concur with Rix's observations. One only has to observe the range offered by a Google images search, although the "urn-shaped" bell is the predominant form.
Few more flowers from a relatively mild day in Hobart, 17 degrees (bit too warm).
Crocus tomm. albus - a dainty form from Janis Ruksans
Crocus x vernus Vanguard - good old mainstay, probably virused - somewhat damaged by my son Alex whose mulching technique involves throwing it all over the plants!
Iris reticulata Clairette - I don't know the difference between this and the next.
Iris reticulata Springtime
Iris Sheila Ann Germany
Iris reticulata Natasha
Cheers, Marcus
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BTW
The Fritillaria Group's image of Fritillaria sporadum doesn't correspond with Kamari's description of the holotype.
I think the individual represented there is F. rixii.
Cheers, Marcus
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Also, while I am on the case.
From memory, in the current issue of their journal, in the article about photographing fritillaria, Fritillaria rhodokanakis is attributed with being present on Spetsai (sic) and the adjacent mainland.
This cannot be the case, if the Group is going to recognize F. spetsiotica as a true species from Spetses. I don't know if F. argolica is universally recognized as a subspecies of F. rhodokanakis?
Cheers, Marcus
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Lesley did you get any seeds of the other one, Paeonia mascula ssp hellenica? Its my favourite. I am very pleased to have the first flower bud ever on a plant of Paeonia clusii. Very exciting!
Yes I did Marcus. The same time as the other and it was a while ago because it must have been when I visited with Don. There are two up at last, about a month ago.
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Paeonia mascula ssp hellenica
Is this the same source as those Sally J was selling?
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Hi Lesley,
Maybe I sold seed of these in the recent past?
Paeonia mascula ssp hellenica originally came from Dr. Pilous. It is a very beautiful thing and tough as old boots. Jim Archibald offered a plant he described as P. flavescens (from Sicily if my memory serves me) to deliberately separate it from the above. I am no expert in these things but it does appear distinctly different, especially at the seedling stage. I will send you some seeds this year if you like?
Cheers, Marcus
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Hi Rob,
Yes it is - I gave her seeds some time back.
Cheers, Marcus
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A very pretty thing when it flowered last year. Thank you.
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I occasionally venture into a patch of ground that resembles a disused building site with uncompleted walls and dumped building material. Here there are various weeds and some Orobanche sp. pushing through them. Not sure of the host, but that could be easily found.
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Hi Folks from wintery Hobart,
Frigid blast from Antarctica over the weekend, snow down to 200m, ferocious wind gusts and, well, generally rubbish weather.
Nevertheless a few more frits showing their heads, missed pics of obliqua and ehrhartii, conica and davisii still standing upright and will try to get photos when things settle.
Did manage the following:
Fritillaria sibthorpiana ssp engenii - a Jim Archibald seed offering and will try to trace the number Maggi!
Fritillaria alfredae ssp glaucoviridis - Ditto probably from Nur Dag, and maybe Norman Stevens and myself actually collected the seed. I'll try and get a better shot later.
Fritillaria mutabilis - an Eric Pasche collection - very early for this species.
Regards, Marcus
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Gosh your frits are early compared with here Marcus although caucasica is out and there were plants in flower of meleagris at the market on Saturday. Your temps, according to our TV weather have been much the same as or a little below ours. We did have 21 in the city yesterday and 24 at home, a glorious day when I should have been out in the garden but we decided to have a look at places for sale on the peninsula. The harbour, sea and the hills were utterly beautiful, reflections quite perfect. Of course I didn't take my camera. :(
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Next time close the gate Marcus. We felt the blast up here! ::)
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Hi Folks from wintery Hobart,
Fritillaria sibthorpiana ssp engenii - a Jim Archibald seed offering and will try to trace the number Maggi
Regards, Marcus
Perhaps this is it, Marcus ?
502.820 : FRITILLARIA SIBTHORPIANA subsp. ENGINII Turkey, Mugla, NE of Marmaris. 50-1450m. (Described in 1995 from the inland ranges on the opposite side of Marmaris from the type-race, which is exclusively a limestone plant, and easily distinguished by its 4 (rather than 2), shiny green leaves and dull-yellow to greenish yellow flowers. Originally thought to be a serpentine race, it has also since been found on shales & occasionally limestone. Both subspecies are extremely local plants confined to a few very small colonies & we hope they can now be maintained by specialists in cultivation.)
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I've had enough of the wind (artic or otherwise), drying out my pots almost faster than I can water them. :(
My first ever tecophilaea cyanocrocus is in flower. I have the leichtlinii and violacea varieties but so far there's only two leaves on each so I don't know if they are going to flower later or not. Narcissus fernandesii is in full swing and I find it always puts on a good show (unlike Narcissus triandrus albus which I purchased at the same time 5 or so years ago and has never flowered for me - only multiplied). Also Narcissus "Ice Wings" is a new one for me, although internet images show reflexed petals which mine doesn't have so I think it's been mis-labelled. The flowers seem to be larger than I was expecting too.
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Jon, if the 'Ice Wings' is flowering for the first time and the bloom is new , it may take a day or two to develop the back sweep of the petals.
We have the very devil of a job keeping the beautiful N. triandrus triandrus alive at all, so for us, vegetative increase, even at the expense of flowers, would be a success! ;)
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We have the very devil of a job keeping the beautiful N. triandrus triandrus alive at all, so for us, vegetative increase, even at the expense of flowers, would be a success! ;)
Yes indeed!
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Hi Maggi,
Yes thats it for sure. The subspecies name is really enginiana but hey am I bothered??
I often wondered if it was originally a Wolfgang Kletzing collection from Agla on the foothills of Sandras Dag? I went there with Norman Stevens but the whole area had been turned upside down by a re-forestation project.
While I am at it, F. alfredae ssp glaucoviridis is 490.80. It was above Hasanbeyli to Fevsipasa on Nur Dag in Adana Province. Under bushes of prickly oak alongside Hellebore vesicarius, Colchicum polyphyllum and Crocus graveolens.
Cheers, Marcus
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Thanks, Marcus.
I did wonder about the name because I couldn't find any mention of it, other than Fritillaria sibthorpiana ssp. enginiana in the Fritillaria.org.uk site :-\
All references to ssp. engenii seem to relate to an Allium and the Fritillaria sibthorpiana ssp. enginiana seems confined only to the frit group pages.
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Hi Anthony, I'd like the door shut and bolted! Relatively mild today until another front rolls though tonight but mild again on the weekend. Typical late winter/early spring conditons, good for trout fishing but not for growing plants that are used to clear cut seasons. I was in Metsovo in NW Greece for a week in June. Its at 1500m with average day temps 28-30 degrees, evenings never below 20, clear skies, no wind, only one thunderstorm - plants literally rocketing out of the ground. 2 metres of snow in the winter - everything goes to sleep.
Lesley, yes it is a bit early for some frits, as I mentioned F. mutabilis is not usually even showing. But its on queque for obliqua, conica, davisii, argolica and erhartii (all the lowland Greeks) as well as messanensis and its tribe. Gracilis is usually the latest. As for the higher elevation dwellers, some forms of pinardii are out, stenanthera is squeezing up with it flowers trying to open at ground level, michailovskyi, ditto, bucharica, ditto.
I am most surprised to hear that meleagris is in flower! It is one of the last here - they are just poking above ground.
Are you still growing Iris "Sindpers"? My poor old stock have taken a battering over the last 2 wet years - most sad.
Cheers, Marcus
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Couple more fritillaria:
Fritillaria forbesii - from Marmaris Peninsula, Turkey. Flower is very similar to F. sibthorpiana but it has very narrow, almost grass-like leaves.
Fritillaria thessala var. ionica from Corfu, collected as seed from Corfu by Alan Edwards
Cheers, Marcus
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Hi again,
Whilst I am being sick and thoroughly fed up being indoors I thought I wouldn't waste my time entirely so I scooted around the nursery with the camera at lunchtime.
These pictures are a bit rough and not set up but anyway here goes:
Fritillaria messanensis - from Crete so I guess its ssp sphaciotica? Collected by me at Kedros and probably listed by JJA. I'll get back on this
Fritillaria conica - From a hill just outside of Pylos called Agios Nicholaos. This too would have been listed by Jim - so ditto.
Fritillaria obliqua - Collected as seed from near Marathon, a place called Schinias. In big danger of being swamped by McMansions but maybe the Greek financial crisis will postpone the inevitable.
Fritillaria davisii - maybe a hybrid, very strong and tall with a bigger stripe than I have ever seen in this species.
Cheers, Marcus
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Another lot:
Fritillaria elwesii - Gosh, maybe back as far as Ole Sonderhousen.
Fritillaria frankiorum - from Rannweg and Bob Wallis
Fritilllaria messanensis ssp atlantica - may not be a valid name according to Kamari but haven't checked Fritillaria Group pages. Maybe a JJA listing I'll check.
Galanthus Trymlet
Galanthus Primrose Warburg
Crocus tommasinianus Claret - obtained from Ray Cobb who thought it maybe was Oliver Wyatt.
Cheers, Marcus
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Beautiful Fritillarias Marcus.
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Glorious Frits, Marcus. Only one out here so far is F. tuntasia. Many not flowering this year due to our wierd couple of last summers I think. Hopefully majority will survive though. Cracking colour on the tommie. 8)
So how long before I should start hassling you for Trymlet? ;D ;D ;D
John,
I think that looks right for my memory of Narcissus 'Ice Wings'. It was much larger than I was expecting as well when it first flowered for me. You expect so many of these types of breeding to be small, but they don't have to be. :-\
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Hi Pat and Paul,
Next to oncos I would call fritillaria interesting rather than beautiful. I think you have settled on the best to collect Pat. Speaking of which, I am doing well with them this year. I have planted a lot in old potting mix in the ground and they are powering away. Lets hope they keep on doing so. Iris afghanica even looks happy and is not turning my spring sour by being a sook.
Paul, I looove that claret crocus. Don Schofield gave me a lovely ruby coloured one a few years back and thats a beauty. I also have Taplow Ruby, which I think might have disappeared in the UK, but that isn't as red.
Have to wait on the galanthus front I am afraid though it does look like a good increaser (famous last words). Have another from the Wallis' named Megan and that is better!
A few more pics to tuck into August - a bit of a jumble:
Galanthus nivalis Savil Gold
Galanthus Trym
Fritillaria ehrhartii
Crocus abantensis
Cheers, Marcus
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Marcus, I bought 50 'Sindpers' from the Tapanui wholesaler about 5 years ago. I was going to pot them for sale in the early spring but left it a bit late and in the finish planted the lot in a patch on the sunny side of Quercus cerris. When they flowererd - or rather 30 of them did, every one was bucharica! I was pretty mad and phoned the supplier only to find they had gone into liquidation and there was no-one to talk with.
The next year half a dozen 'Sindpers' flowered so it was a matter of trying to isolate those and starting from scratch. This year, due I think to extreme drought among the oak roots, none has flowered at all and I'll have to lift whatever's left and pot for removal anyway. Hope there are still a few 'Sindpers' among them as my previous ones have died out.
Your Cr. oliv. bal.' Chocolate Soldier' is very vigorous. 20 flowers this year and at least 8 good corms, and babies. I also have a good seedling from Thomas H's seed of C. oliv. ssp balansae, a very strong rich orange but heavily NETTED rather than veined on the outside with the same mahogany colour. Small flower but intense colour. Just the 1 so far. F. caucasica is in flower and buds on many others (but not persica :()
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Hi Lesley,
The ones you sent me from John Hughes? were great and I managed to list them over a long time. The last 2 winters have been unkind to junos in general and my stocks have plummeted but I still have a few and they look fine. What ever happened to all that stock (and the imperialis).
Its a bit of a let down when you discover you don't have what you thought you had - still better to have a few than not.
I have isolated some Crocus olivierii ssp balansae from my own collections on Samos but none have the totally solid colour of Choco. I should have taken some pics but too busy to do so at the time. Things falling behind a bit at present. The flu has struck Tassie badly and I have fallen victim.
Cheers, Marcus
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Sorry to hear that you're down with the lurgi, Marcus.
Here's Tulipa 'Stresa' we got from you last year,
cheers
fermi
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A few more in our garden:
Babiana odorata - Silverhills Seed
Anemone heldreichii - Marcus
Muscari muscarimi - Marcus!
cheers
fermi
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Hi Fermi,
Gosh that Babiana odorata is a cute thing. Is it scented? I like the contrasting anthers.
I am slowly getting better, thanks.
Cheers, Marcus
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Yes the Babiana is highly scented - cloying if you put you nose in it. This is the first year I have flowered it from another kind forum member here in Oz - from Fermi according to my records. Thanks so much Fermi for this gem.
Paul the dark Hellebores have flowered well this year.
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Excellent, Pat. So is it black enough for you? (I think it was a piece of a black one I sent, wasn't it?) Your variegated is still doing well here, although I should repot it into something bigger. It isn't multiplying due to the smaller pot (grown through into the ground of course!! ::)) but it puts up a flower stem every year. I love it. 8)
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What ever happened to all that stock (and the imperialis).
I may be wrong and would have to go down there I think, to find out for sure, but I rather think the whole lot were ploughed in! >:( >:( >:( I'll ask Denis (John's brother) next time I see him which could well be on the 12th Sept. I foolishly committed to an iris talk to the local Rhodo Group.
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I must have missed something. Is WHAT black enough (for Pat)? I love black flowers and am thrilled with a hellebore that is so black I hadn't noticed it against a darkish background, as black as Marcus' Frit obliqua on the last page. I'll take a pic tomorrow. It's a seedling from a dark red, much smaller flowered form I bought at the NZAGS show a few years ago and it must have flowered before because it has 4 flowers now but it's the 1st time I've seen it.
Also a first for me, a single flower on Soldanella pusilla, in a trough. Another pic coming up and I'm also pleased that I haven't lost Sternbergia canida after all. Thought I had but it's just very late.
There was something else interesting too. Oh yes. We've sold our house/garden. :D
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Lesley,
The message below is a copy of the one Pat posted right before mine. I've highlighted the relevent info in blue.
Yes the Babiana is highly scented - cloying if you put you nose in it. This is the first year I have flowered it from another kind forum member here in Oz - from Fermi according to my records. Thanks so much Fermi for this gem.
Paul the dark Hellebores have flowered well this year.
And congrats on selling the house. So how soon do you have to be out, and have you found a new one yet? 8)
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I would hate to have to move house. Nearly 40 years in the same place is not good ::) ::)
Lesley I hope that you have a good move that is not too hard.
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My capacity to accumulate "stuff" is such that I would find it hard to move after forty weeks!
I cannot think how I would cope. Good luck Lesley!
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Thank you Paul for the blue bit. I catch on - eventually.
We have a 6 months completion date. (22nd Feb 2013) which will hopefully give us enough time to clean up Roger's cars/tools/and accumulated (I'm not allowed to use the word rubbish) and me to find, lift and pot all I want to re-establish both garden and nursery. The buyers wanted a Christmas date but wanted the place enough to go with our later date. Why anyone would deliberately pack and move house at Christmas I can't imagine.
We'll start looking now for somewhere else but there is no great rush so long as we don't forget about it. Hopefully we'll find somewhere in the general area of Dunedin/Mosgiel.
I know all about "stuff." We still have boxes stored in the rafters of Roger's shed, not unpacked since we moved here in 1997 so there will be a few surprises. I'm also going to dispose of a lot of books too, to the Regent 24 hour book sale (funds go to the Regent Theatre Trust for upgrading etc) but not the garden/cookery books, mostly fiction which I'll not read again or can use the library if I want to.
This will be the 5th time I've moved house/garden/nursery and believe me, the house is the least of it. I intend it to be the last move, until I leave in a box!
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Try moving to the other side of the planet after 23 years in the same house! :o Certainly turned my world upside down!