Scottish Rock Garden Club Forum
General Subjects => Plants Wanted Or For Exchange => Topic started by: Mavers on June 08, 2012, 11:06:52 AM
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Can any one help me locate a bulb of crocus tommasianus 'Claret'?
Hopeful Mike
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I've been trying for years . Those who have it dont part with it.
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I'm sad to hear that Mark :(
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I know two UK based gardeners/plant collectors/plantoholics who have it but havent been able to get any.
I'd bet someone has it but doesnt know that they have.
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;)
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It doesnt show on their web site. What is this list you have found?
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;)
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Wow - quite a list! :o
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Wow - quite a list! :o
Agreed - but look at some of the prices!
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Agreed - but look at some of the prices!
Commercial companies have to make profit
It's easier to grow 1.000.000 the same plants
as to grow 100 different species 10 of each
You should know how much time that cost
If you calculate all the hours of work
they aren't expensive
Roland
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Commercial companies have to make profit
It's easier to grow 1.000.000 the same plants
as to grow 100 different species 10 of each
You should know how much time that cost
If you calculate all the hours of work
they aren't expensive
Roland
If a small UK nursery can supply N. asturiensis (true) for £1.00 per bulb why does this supplier charge £11.00? Profit or profiteering?
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Maybe they can't find a cheap supplier
or is it a special clone
I have Polygonatum odoratum for €1,50 for sale
but also special clones for €10,- each
Roland
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Right or wrong I have contacted Kevock to ask about the source of their 'Claret'
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Dix export Wholesale (http://www.dixexport.com (http://www.dixexport.com)) sells them for €1,15 each
So Kevock list it at 5 for £9 ?
it isn't that bad price
Roland
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Well, it will be interesting to see what one gets for €2.22 per bulb. Some of us remember a few years ago Dix Export selling 'Crocus cvijicii' (not - as the young say).
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It wasn't alone Dix export selling this 'Crocus cvijicii'
There was a grower selling them as 'Crocus cvijicii'
He sold them all over the world to the trade
If you start mentioning all sellers who sell wrong named plants
a phone book is much to small to mention them
Roland
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As I grow thousands of Cr. tommasinianus there are many selfsown seedlings in many shades of mauve/ purple . some as dark if not darker than C. tomm. 'Claret ' and some with a buff exterior and claret inside .
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Hello Otto
maybe you can post some pictures next spring
from all these lovely Crocus tomasinianus colours
it would be interesting to see all these colours in one post
Roland
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I cant wait to see some of your seedlings Otto, they sound wonderful.
Have you heard back from Kevock Mark?
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I can send you a few in Sept
I need them also for an customer
Roland
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Are you talking to me Roland?
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Sorry mike
I forgot your name
yes I was talking to you
just PM me and I let you know if I can get them
Roland
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from Kevock
Mark,
No, I haven't seen this in flower, as it is new to me, but I have every reason to believe that our source is reliable. We have had very few problems, and the rarer the bulb, the more likely it is to be correctly named!
The more rare the bulb the likely it will be wrong - I say
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Here is the response from Dix Export
Dix Export B.V.
Roland,
Crocus cvijicii hebben wij één keer aangeboden in 2007, daarna gelijk uit prijslijst verwijderd omdat deze niet soortecht waren.
With kind regards,
Simone van den Oever.
director
It says
They where offered only once in 1997 and never again
because they where not correctly labelled
Roland
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......The more rare the bulb the likely it will be wrong - I say
Only too right unfortunately.
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Here is the response from Dix Export
Dix Export B.V.
Roland,
Crocus cvijicii hebben wij één keer aangeboden in 2007, daarna gelijk uit prijslijst verwijderd omdat deze niet soortecht waren.
With kind regards,
Simone van den Oever.
director
It says
They where offered only once in 1997 and never again
because they where not correctly labelled
Roland
Having ordered (& subsequently cancelled) some C.cvijicii from a UK importer I sent an email to Dix in 1997* informing them that the plant illustrated on their website was not C.cvijicii but probably C. angustifolia. I received an extremely polite response, thanking me & informing me that the incorrectly identified plant would be removed from their website. It stayed on their website.
Edit:
*I think the year was 2007
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As far as I'm concerned this supplier ( Kevock ) has not done anything wrong regarding the supply of this bulb ( C. tommasinianus Claret ), and I find this unfounded attack on their integrity and business practises sneaky, cowardly and totally without collaboration. If you don't want it don't buy it!!
I've had many bad dealings with suppliers regarding species provided, and will criticise them vehemently but always retrospectively. I don't understand how you can contemplate doing it in advance. Same thing goes for the prices asked, if you want it buy it, if its too much for you ...don't.
I don't think anyone is attacking Kevock. To point out that something can be bought more cheaply elsewhere is not an attack. I don't know about Mark, but it is correct to comment that I acted "totally without collaboration."
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As far as I'm concerned this supplier ( Kevock ) has not done anything wrong regarding the supply of this bulb ( C. tommasinianus Claret ), and I find this unfounded attack on their integrity and business practises sneaky, cowardly and totally without collaboration.
Same thing goes for the prices asked, if you want it buy it, if its too much for you ...don't.
I agree with you Ron
Gerry
It was C. angustifolia
I got the bulbs from them for testing if they where true named
Roland
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.....My point was that for Forum members to say that any supplier is untrustworthy ( which was said, however its dressed up ) without any specific evidence, is surely fundamentally wrong.
At the end of the day we all know what we mean when we post, 8)
Nobody has said this.
We may "know what we mean when we post" but do we know what the poster meant when we read, read into or misread?
I thought the price comment was directed at N. asturiensis?, which by the way, checking all other UK suppliers is nowhere near £1 with any of them except the one you allude to. ;)
I only alluded to one.
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..........I'd prefer it if those of you who wish to take things way off topic and to butt heads would do it privately...... thanks!
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8)
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I'm definitely not picking on Kevock and plan to order some very soon
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Thanks guys & gals I think this is the longest thread I've ever started on this forum!!
And so feisty.......
I'm welling up
:-* 8)
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Mark, I have offered you some corms of Claret last spring http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5072.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=5072.0)
But this winter I have lost 70-80% of my Crocus collection, don't know if Claret has survived - still have to check, please remind me later.....
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......But this winter I have lost 70-80% of my Crocus collection........
Very sad news Thomas. My commiserations
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Thanks Gerry - but such big losses always create space for a new start.
I try to think positive......but it's not easy :-\