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Title: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Cris on October 18, 2007, 01:54:01 PM
Hi,

I'm about to receive some seeds of this plant, but i don't know how to do to make them germinate.
I'm in Portugal, now the weather is hot, with the nights a little cold. I don't have greehouse.
Can you help me, please?
Thanks
Cris
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Carlo on October 23, 2007, 02:01:10 PM
Cris,

What I'm about to suggest may be corrected, but I just returned from a trip to Portugal and suspect the weather you're experiencing is fine for the germination of Brunsvigia. The seed is typically sown fresh and green so don't delay when you receive it. A nice, well draining soil and a pot on your veranda ought to do the trick.

Viva Lisboa!
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 24, 2007, 05:34:29 AM
Hi Cris,
these seeds are thick and fleshy and should not be buried. The way I usually germinate Brunsvigia seed is to spread them out on the surface of the pot of a free draining potting mix which is topped with a layer of coarse sand. If the seed have already started forming their radicles, just push the root tip into the sand layer and they'll take it from there!
Keep the pot in a well lit but not hot area and keep the potting mix barely moist till the leaves start to sprout, then keep them growing with water or very weak liquid fertilizer fortnightly. When the foliage starts to yellow off keep them dry till autumn when they should be eased back into growth with a soaking (see Ian Young's Bulblog for that!)
They take a LOOOOOONNNGGGG time to flower from seed!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Maggi Young on October 24, 2007, 01:19:40 PM
Look at this link to see a photo of a Brunsvigia species in the wild....
http://www.plantzafrica.com/plantab/brunsvig.htm

without an idea of proper scale, don't they look like so many little pink blosson trees?  ::)
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Cris on October 24, 2007, 01:38:11 PM
Thanks for the replies.

I've already received them, they came already a bit germinated. I've sown them just like Fermides said.
I'll put a photo soon.

Carlo, I hope you have enjoied Lisbon.
Fermides, I'll wait paciently  ::) for the flowers. I think the bulb must me very big to can flower, wrigth?
Maggy, what a wonderful field. That must be great to can see them "in loco".

Now the weather changed a bit, it started to rain, the cold at night is not so cold. I'm looking for a little greenhouse to put all the seeds inside.

Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Carlo on October 24, 2007, 02:54:46 PM
Some Brunsvigia (josephinae for example) are said to take up to 14 years to bloom! It is also reputed to be the world's largest true bulb (as opposed to the corms of Amorphophallus for example).

I've started  some seed of josephinae and will almost certainly be a grandfather before I see any flowers...
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Maggi Young on October 24, 2007, 02:58:26 PM
We'll all wish you the best of health, then, Carlo.... and Cris... though Cris is SO delightfully young that she has more time than most of us to wait for  her bulbs to flower! Lucky girl!  :-*
Carlo, you and the rest of us will just have to keep our fingers crossed! ::)
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Cris on October 24, 2007, 09:40:16 PM
14 years to bloom :o? Oh, I've much pacience, but so much?
I thougt it was a waiting of 4 - 5 years  ;D .
But, nevermind, just to can see the biggest bulb of all, it worths
 ;)

Maggy, thanks for the words "so delightly young". I'm almost in the 40's ;D
Well, when I'll 54 I hope to can show to all of you the amazing flowers of my Brunsvigia :-*
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: JPB on October 29, 2007, 08:00:36 AM
Maggi, that photo of Brunsvigia is like the one (B. bosmaniae) in the excellent book "Namaqualand" by Cowling & Pierce. Indeed like a forrest! BTW, one of the best books on this region with stunning photographs, clear explanation of climate/geological history and detailed life-cycle descripitoins of bulbs, "vygies" and annuals. I highly recommend this book for anyone interested in plants. 

Hans
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Maggi Young on October 29, 2007, 10:26:14 AM
Hans, thank you for the details of this useful book!
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Cris on October 30, 2007, 09:41:29 PM
Hi

My "baby" Brunsvigias seems to like here. The cotyledon  had already grown a bit. I'm very excited with these seeds.

That field with "little trees" is realy a show.

Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Carlo on October 30, 2007, 09:47:32 PM
My B. josephinae are still firm and  green but have NOT germinated yet. I've got them set up in moist paper towel so that I can photograph the progression from "green pea" seed to blooming plant...(even though I may go through several generations of camera before that happens).

I've done the same with the Welwitschia mirabilis that I've started...seed to adult is the goal...

Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Maggi Young on October 31, 2007, 11:04:26 AM
Quote
I've done the same with the Welwitschia mirabilis that I've started...seed to adult is the goal...

...and you are HOW old, Carlo? I know ambition can be admirable but I fear you may have bitten off more than you can chew, this time!! ::)
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Carlo on October 31, 2007, 11:29:30 AM
...apparently I'm either older or younger than you think.
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Maggi Young on October 31, 2007, 11:40:47 AM
Doesn't really matter how old I might perceive you to be, Carlo, so long as your cardiovascular system is up to the term of about one hundred years that it may take the Welwitschia to get to maturity!!
Good luck! :-*
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Carlo on October 31, 2007, 11:47:13 AM
Welwitschia will bloom in as little as 2.5 years from seed. Even if it takes 5, 7, or 10, it'll beat the Brunsvigia!
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Maggi Young on October 31, 2007, 12:06:21 PM
Crikey, as quickly as that? I thought that for such a very long-lived plant, it would take MUCH longer than that... there's hope for you, then, eh?  ::)
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Cris on November 07, 2007, 10:24:21 PM
Hi,
 
Let me tell you that my Brusvingias have already two little leaves (some of them). In the weekend i'll take a pic to show you.

I leave you a pic of them when i received it and some days after be planted:



Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Cris on September 03, 2008, 01:33:05 PM
Hi,
my little seeds survived the winter and are now little bulbs.
I left you one photo of some seddlings still with green leaves, the others are in dormancy.

Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Maggi Young on September 03, 2008, 01:48:16 PM
Cris, these are really looking like "real" little bulbs now, aren't they? Where will you over-winter them?
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Cris on September 18, 2008, 01:44:40 PM
Hi Maggi
Yes, now the already are little bulbs.
I'll put them in a mini green house I bought (is realy little), but I hope they will be protected from the rain and the cold.
Now they are growing a bit more, they already have more leaves. :)
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Maggi Young on September 18, 2008, 02:11:40 PM
Cris, I would think that in Lisbon that your little greenhouse will make a good home for the bulbs. Often a little protection from worst of the wet is all that is needed, I think.
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Cris on September 18, 2008, 02:18:01 PM
By now, I must support it very well for don't go with the wind. It's realy very little (1,40x1,40x2,00 mts). Here we have much wind, I hate it.  >:(
I have in mind to buy one or to built one with wood. We must start searching for the materials to start builting it. then I'll show you.  I've been looking for the prices of a glass greenhouse and it is so, but so expensive, that I gave up of that idea. We must dedicate realy to the "bricolage"(sorry, I don't know the word in english).
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Maggi Young on September 18, 2008, 02:32:01 PM
In English we also use the word  'bricolage' ... to mean the construction of say, sculpture, from "found" objects ( like making a sculpture from bits of a bicycle, for instance)  rather than creating all from the beginning,( as in carving a square block of marble into a bicycle !).... so I understand you to mean that you must set about making a greenhouse yourselves, as a "do it yourself" project, usung perhaps, old wood and so on..... right?  ::) 8) :D
Title: Re: Brunsvigia gregaria
Post by: Cris on September 19, 2008, 01:46:08 PM
Yes Maggi, it's that. We will use old wood, tables. Just te plastic we may buy it. It will take some time to be built, we only have a few time in the weekends.
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