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Title: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 18, 2012, 01:12:50 PM
My first of the season, a little purple form of Iris attica

Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 19, 2012, 12:05:30 AM
Very nice too. I love the really dark forms of any iris.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Rafa on March 19, 2012, 10:58:36 AM
here is also starting to bloom this species. Sorry about your plant David, it seems infected by a virus, I will  send you a clone of my collection
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Hans A. on March 19, 2012, 12:41:02 PM
I agree with Rafa - it does not look perfect, David. :-\
Here two yellow ones from spain: Iris attica and Iris suaveolens.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 19, 2012, 06:31:14 PM
Thank you Rafa, that's very kind.

I hadn't noticed the yellow sreaking on my attca until Rafa and Hans pointed it out. I had noticed it on this one though and both will hit the dustbin tomorrow.  Iris lutescens alba-and such a pretty one too :( 



Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on March 19, 2012, 06:40:46 PM
Are you 100% sure David?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 19, 2012, 06:43:54 PM
Not 100% Ron, I'll leave the final decision after comment from people far more experienced than I, but it certainly looks "streaky"
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on March 19, 2012, 06:51:51 PM
I agree it does not look good, but maybe you don't want to destroy them on the say so of a small photograph. Its a long shot but whats the worse that can happen? Especially if you can put them outside somewhere away from your others. As we have already seen on other threads this year these viruses are everywhere and Irises are particularly susceptible, but so what? You're not going to sell them around the world? Your other plants are as much in danger from your neighbours Gherkins as from these plants.
Admittedly it doesn't look good, ..but I have seen temperature effects similar, that have not shown up ever again in the specimen.
My vote ... give them one more year!
We seem paranoid in Irises. If its virus it will weaken and then kill these plants. NO more No less!!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 19, 2012, 07:31:22 PM
OK "Straw Poll"


Option 1: Dump now.

Option 2: Do as Ron suggests, isolate and give 'em another year

Votes appreciated.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2012, 08:51:57 PM
Dump now.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 19, 2012, 10:59:05 PM
I didn't notice the streaks either, and should have. Having said that, virtually every commercial bearded iris has some streaking in the foliage. Presumably then, we should dump the lot and only grow from seed. This isn't practicable especially when large firms are distributing more and more every year. Presumably the virus spreads from plant to plant but has work been done to determine how much damage is done to the plants. I mean, it seems to me that even the virused plants continue to grow well and flower freely year to year. Contradict this if you feel the need.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Hans A. on March 20, 2012, 09:45:40 AM
Dump now.
Virused Iris look ugly in my eyes, the only reason I kept virused plants (seperated) is to get seeds of a rare species- I destroyed several Pogons, Arilbreds, Junos and Oncos. I prefer to grow all species by seed to grow a clean stock (do hardly grow any cultivars) to avoid the disappointment to receive a virused plant.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on March 22, 2012, 09:27:23 PM
It can't be that nobody cares............. can it?? ??? ???
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 23, 2012, 03:15:06 AM
I expect they DO care Ron but as Hans talks about  destroying so many of all the rarest and most precious kinds, oncos, junos et al, I can't imagine that many people have the courage or the ethics, for want of a better word, to do that. And as for the huge selection of named bearded irises, what breeder/nursery is going to face up to having to start again from scratch with unvirused plants, even if those can be obtained in the first place. I think it is simply too late. It would require every such breeder/grower in the world to destroy everything at the same time.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Hans A. on March 25, 2012, 09:34:48 PM
Lesley- as you will know Oncos and Junos belong to my favourites and if I have destroy an ill plant I do this to protect my other ones, differences are important between a virused and a healthy ones.
Hope the picture of a few of my Oncoseedlings (sown 2010) makes it easier to understand why I prefer to destroy a single virused Iris to avoid the risk the others could be infected.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 26, 2012, 12:46:40 AM
Yes Hans, I realise it is so important for you to destroy anything not absolutely clean. I admire your courage in doing this when it would be tempting for anyone else, in posession of perhaps just one or two plants, to keep on with them and hope for the best.

Maybe it could be likened (not seriously though) to me saying "Just ONE chocolate won't matter, or make a difference" when I know jolly well that it DOES matter and is the thin end of the wedge as we might say. Not that a chocolate is the THIN end of anything. :'(
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on March 26, 2012, 02:48:33 AM
The first bearded iris to bloom here this year, Iris pumila aequiloba, opening March 24.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arilnut on March 26, 2012, 02:51:05 AM
Here is Minidragon today.

John B
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 27, 2012, 04:55:09 PM
Iris flavissima in full swing !  :D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: PeterT on March 27, 2012, 08:50:06 PM
congratulations Luc !
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 27, 2012, 09:59:33 PM
A wonderful plant Luc, your I. flavissima. The plant I USED to have as that was closer to plain yellow. Yours is a delight. Not the easiest species to maintain over time I believe.

I like 'Minidragon' too, with its fiery tongue. :)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on March 28, 2012, 01:27:48 AM
Splendid and intriguing I. flavissima - I've only ever seen solid yellow forms. Where did yours come from, Luc?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Armin on March 28, 2012, 03:19:27 PM
Wow! Very nice Luc! :o 8) 8)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on March 28, 2012, 05:40:32 PM
Seems you'll be able to open a waiting list on this forum too, Luc  ;)....it's a real beauty!!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 28, 2012, 06:38:02 PM
Thanks for the compliments everyone !

I hope it sets seed - I saw a bumble bee at work earlier on.... so there's hope !

I got the plant from a salesman at a plant fair in Holland Tom - don't know the name of the grower though !
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Rafa on March 30, 2012, 11:06:47 PM
wow! I love your I. flavissima, Luc, and very well pictured.
Here is aslo blooming Iris pumila f. clausii, but I can't picture it as my camera is damaged. it is the same clone that in this picture, but the differece is this year it has 15 flowers in a single clump!. terrific...
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 03, 2012, 07:26:11 PM
ID please.
 I bought this in the Market on Saturday, can someone ID it please as Iris is not one of my strong points.
It is in a 2ltr pot and the foliage app 15cm high. Looks like Iris attica purple form?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on April 05, 2012, 07:53:10 PM
Michael, I. attica is one of the smallest species, while flowering leaves don`t reach the high of the blossom

Probably it is I. bicapitata ( on the right side of the rhizome there are two blooms ! )
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on April 05, 2012, 07:57:52 PM
just a few new entries and first flowering plants:

Iris furcata !!!! from Mazedonia
Iris darwasica, Afg. 2010
Iris acutiloba, new clone 2010
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 05, 2012, 08:06:39 PM
Thanks Gerhard, I think you are correct,I will label it as Iris bicapitata.

Cheers.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on April 11, 2012, 07:13:26 PM
My second-year clumps of I. pumila "clausii"
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on April 11, 2012, 07:14:55 PM
And a yellow and brown form of Iris pumila.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on April 11, 2012, 09:47:16 PM
Thanks Gerhard, I think you are correct,I will label it as Iris bicapitata.

Cheers.

It could be the classic form of Iris bicapitata indeed. Where did you get from? Strange that the seller didn't know to have it. I have ditribuited this species for the first time few years ago, I don't think it has turned to be a so common plant to be sold without name
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ruweiss on April 14, 2012, 10:07:55 PM
Two plants of Iris pumila from Georgia are now flowering
in the frame:
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on April 14, 2012, 10:10:26 PM
Lovely Rudi  ;D ;D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2012, 01:22:05 AM
Those are both very nice plants Rudi. I like to see such variation in wild forms. The colours and different marks are beautiful, the forms too.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Melvyn Jope on April 15, 2012, 02:40:42 PM
Iris reichenbachii from Thrace, Northern Greece.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Melvyn Jope on April 15, 2012, 03:19:07 PM
Other colour forms of Iris reichenbachii found in Northern Greece.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Maggi Young on April 15, 2012, 03:43:19 PM
Beautiful Iris, Melvyn.... but did you happen to spot the strange "stuff" on the stem  in Iris Reichenbachia B pic??

Looks like eggs of some sort.....
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Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Melvyn Jope on April 15, 2012, 03:58:41 PM
Yes I did and wondered if they were butterfly eggs?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Maggi Young on April 15, 2012, 04:19:30 PM
A distinct possibility - such things are a mystery to me..... :-[ :-X
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on April 15, 2012, 07:35:17 PM
Many thanks for the reichenbachii pictures Melvyn, fascinating.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2012, 10:54:43 PM
Lovely form Melvyn. Can you go back in a few days and see what they hatch into? ;D How exciting it would be to have a lot of little larvae then pupae then butterflies hatching out. I'd happily sacrifice some iris flowers for that.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2012, 11:02:02 PM
I've asked Anthony Darby to have a look and say what he thinks they are. :)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Anthony Darby on April 15, 2012, 11:06:14 PM
Not butterfly eggs as very few butterflies lay eggs in batches and I don't know of any that feed on iris leaves. Don't look like moth eggs either. If there were fewer of them I would say shield bug?

Further thought: could really only be moth eggs.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on April 15, 2012, 11:37:56 PM
Thanks for showing all these smaller species irises.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on April 18, 2012, 02:14:29 PM
Iris suaveolens rubromarginata blooming yesterday
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 18, 2012, 04:16:04 PM
Very nice Tom !

Love your spectacular series of reichenbachii Melvyn !!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on April 19, 2012, 12:47:16 AM
Tom that is a lovely iris.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on April 19, 2012, 04:21:06 PM
Thanks Luc and Pat! I didn't even see the first bloom that opened until it was fading. Very tiny and quite camouflaged against our soil!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on April 20, 2012, 03:06:15 PM
Iris aphylla
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on April 20, 2012, 03:35:41 PM
Nice clump Tom, you grow it well.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 20, 2012, 05:44:05 PM
Iris aphylla
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/april20003.jpg)
Iris bicapitata
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/april20005.jpg)

Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on April 20, 2012, 06:28:07 PM
Well grown Dave, two nice healthy specimens.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 20, 2012, 06:35:05 PM
Well grown Dave, two nice healthy specimens.
Thank you David the first is from seed collected John Richards(primulas)bought at Newcastle Botanical Gardens and the second is a seedling from Peter T from this forum and a fantastic bicoloured seedling one of my favourites.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ruweiss on April 21, 2012, 09:20:20 PM
Flowering today:
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on April 22, 2012, 07:13:17 AM
Superb Iris pumila's, Rudi!

I love the first one especially!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on April 22, 2012, 09:34:03 AM
Superb stuff Rudi.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 22, 2012, 07:19:52 PM
 No 1  Iris hylorid

 No 2  Iris ? (the yellow one) can someone ID this one for me please. Fuzzy brain again, and label lost. It is 30cm high.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on April 22, 2012, 07:35:54 PM
Fantastic Iris' Davey, Rudi and Michael !

I'm very happy with the flower power of this yellow form of Iris reichenbachii  !  :D

It has coped quite well with the rain and hail our April Spring (?) has been throwing at it...  :D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 22, 2012, 08:01:23 PM
Luc what a fantastic clump WOW ;D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on April 22, 2012, 11:06:27 PM
Rudi I must keep an eye out for seed of Iris pumila caerula - all lovely forms.
Luc what a beautiful clump.
Michael the first photo looks familiar but this fuzzy brain has no name coming.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 23, 2012, 04:01:47 AM
The I. pumila v. caerulea is very similar to the SDB Iris 'Knick Knack.'
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on April 24, 2012, 02:39:07 AM
Iris schachtii opened a few days ago.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on April 29, 2012, 06:13:30 PM
A yellow form of Iris reichenbachii. Yes, I saw the aphids, they are no more.

Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 29, 2012, 06:15:56 PM
A yellow form of Iris reichenbachii. Yes, I saw the aphids, they are no more.
Lovely David nicely grown and very funny comment. ;D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 29, 2012, 06:21:38 PM
Can anyone put a name on this
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Iris pumila.?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on April 29, 2012, 06:26:52 PM
Thanks Dave.

Michael, I'd say it was a hybrid perhaps with some pumila blood in it. Lesley is pretty good at iding hybrids
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on April 29, 2012, 06:53:53 PM
Michael,

that's the one we both grow... I got it as a named SDB (Standard Dwarf Bearded) cultivar. Don't remember what the name was though!

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Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on April 29, 2012, 07:03:13 PM
Does "Eye of the Tiger" ring any bells?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on April 29, 2012, 07:05:38 PM
Does "Eye of the Tiger" ring any bells?

Thanks David, but it does ring only one bell, the one related to the song....it does look a bit different: http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Sdb/SdbEyeOfTheTiger (http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Sdb/SdbEyeOfTheTiger)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 29, 2012, 07:07:47 PM
Thanks Wim, I am not hard to confuse at the best of times, but those Bearded Iris really do a good job at confusing me. Don't think I will ever manage to sort them out.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on April 29, 2012, 07:08:59 PM
Wim, having had another look I don't think it is either.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 30, 2012, 12:51:05 AM
No, not 'Eye of the Tiger, and in fact, much nicer to my mind. I can't name it though as there are so many with similar colouring and marking. I would suggest it is Standard Dwarf Bearded rather than Miniature Dwarf Bearded, definitely a hybrid rather than true pumila species. Every breeder of dwarfs and his dog, will have produced something very like. Just enjoy it Michael. ;D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on May 01, 2012, 06:10:08 PM
1 - 2 : This is Iris reichenbachii balkana flowering for the first time for me !  :)

3 - Iris attica opened its first flower  8)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on May 01, 2012, 08:16:10 PM
Some dwarf and median irises in April: MDB 'Buddha Song' (an unusual hybrid, 'Rhages' x Iris suaveolens), SDB 'Rain Dance', SDB 'Michael Paul', IB 'Rare Edition', SDB 'Sea Monster', and IB 'Shampoo'.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on May 01, 2012, 08:17:50 PM
Luc, I'm sure your 'reichenbachii balkana' is a modern garden hybrid, MDB or SDB type.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 01, 2012, 09:27:03 PM
Tom, your 'Buddha Song' is much nicer than mine though they are probably the same. Mine has floppy falls and a grubby look to it. I'm on the verge of throwing it out. It does flower well though but is that enough?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on May 02, 2012, 12:44:54 PM
I think the first one is I.pumila, but unsure on the second. :-\
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: mark smyth on May 07, 2012, 10:12:51 PM
Isnt there an Iris thread by now?

Here's the lovely Little Chestnut - the falls are very dark to the eye

Jolly Joey has a fabulous scent
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 08, 2012, 12:26:32 AM
There's a new Dwarf Bearded Iris thread Mark. These probably fit there.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: mark smyth on May 08, 2012, 07:20:19 AM
oops. I did look. Hopefully Maggi will move the photos
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ChrisB on May 08, 2012, 10:23:20 AM
I've only just noticed this thread, was looking at the dwarf bearded thread before.  Now I see a lot of them appearing here.  Maybe we should just have one thread, what do you think Maggi?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Maggi Young on May 08, 2012, 10:56:34 AM
I have combined a couple of  general bearded Iris threads here - but there are one or two others , referring specifically to IDs of these plants, elsewhere, notably in the ID section.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: mark smyth on May 08, 2012, 02:47:31 PM
coming in very late to say I would give a home to Davids lutescens white form
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on May 08, 2012, 07:24:39 PM
It went in the bin Mark. The "v" word.

One from the garden today, my first dwarf beardie of the season. Iris 'Kiwi Slices'

Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on May 08, 2012, 08:33:07 PM
Ron, your yellow one looks like Iris reichenbachii to me.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ChrisB on May 08, 2012, 10:31:17 PM
Thanks for the explanation!  Here are what I have:
Iris 'Green Spot'
Iris 'Willowmist'
Iris dwarf yellow - if you have any idea of its name I'd love to know
Iris 'Three Cherries'
Iris 'Knick Knack' plus picture of habit
Iris 'Blue Pygmy'
Iris 'Blue Pools'
Iris maroon coloured - again, if anyone has any idea of its name....
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ChrisB on May 08, 2012, 10:34:12 PM
Mark, I got seed of I. lutescens from the seed exchange this year and already have some pretty sturdy looking plants, big enough to put in the garden soon!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on May 09, 2012, 10:04:58 AM
Thanks Tom.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Maggi Young on May 09, 2012, 10:11:33 AM
I've just posted my dwarf beardeds in the other post, but I see more are appearing here.  Maybe I should have posted here instead?
I have moved that post of yours from the ID pages to this topic, Christine.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ChrisB on May 09, 2012, 01:05:09 PM
Thanks Maggi.... you are a star....
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 09, 2012, 05:44:28 PM
Tall bearded.

Iris Rimfire
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ChrisB on May 09, 2012, 07:52:57 PM
V nice Michael
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 09, 2012, 11:32:51 PM
If you go to the May 2012 in the Northern Hemisphere thread, ronm has posted a pic (Reply 84) of a dark bearded iris, with a white in or near the dark clump. Going back briefly to the discussion about 'Green Spot,' that white one is EXACTLY like the true 'Green Spot,' the size, shape, colour of the spot are, forgive me, SPOT ON!

Of course now Ron will say it is something else altogether. ::)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on May 10, 2012, 07:34:03 AM
Latest of the season, also nicely scented with its towering stalks Iris sicula
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ChrisB on May 10, 2012, 03:43:09 PM
What do you think of mine Lesley?  I got it from a woman in France, so I'm not sure really...
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on May 10, 2012, 05:22:38 PM
I certainly won't Lesley, I was hoping to post a better pic of it and ask for an ID.  ;D Surely I dont come across as being contrary,  :o do I? :-[
So thanks for the naming Lesley. I will try to post a much better pic soon as more flowers open. This one has come up very strange with five of all flower parts! ::) ::). Thats why I was waiting for a normal flower.
Thanks again Lesley. 8)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 10, 2012, 11:29:31 PM
Best I can say Chris is that it isn't 'Green Spot' as I know it. Ron's would fill that bill perfectly. GS falls are nicely almost horizontal as well, not so drooping as yours. On Google I found someone here, not far down the road actually, who listed it on Trade Me, our version of Ebay, but when I looked at the pic in her catalogue, again, it was NOT GS. On the other hand I also found a real beauty called 'Ana' whose breeding included GS and it was truly lovely. Maybe a taller var, though hard to tell, with green falls and lovely delicate greeny-white ruffled standards, one I'd love to have. That may be possible if I enquire. 'Ana' was bred in 1977 by the late Frances Love here in NZ. I knew Frances, though not well. Her daughter Piki Carroll is currently President of NZ Iris Soc. so Piki may have it still.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 10, 2012, 11:34:23 PM
Iris sicula is lovely. I have never met that name before. ::)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on May 11, 2012, 07:03:49 AM
I've seen the name but never a photo so thank you Angelo for posting. Has it the 'typical' tall bearded scent?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on May 11, 2012, 07:54:35 AM
Indeed Iris sicula is very tall, up to 160-170cm and it has an exotic scent, vaguely related to some Cattleya orchids. This species in not properly an Italian species, but it was probably introduced from Moors in Sicily in ancient times, where it has naturalized. It is related to Iris mesopotamica from Middle East, but it seems different.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 11, 2012, 11:24:17 AM
Iris pallida   ssp   ceugiath

Iris cengialti
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on May 11, 2012, 11:52:36 AM
Michael, the right spell is cengialti. Indeed according with Italian botanits, the true species is simply Iris cengialti which by the way is a fertile specie of course, while Iris pallida is an horticoltural from selected in Italy from the production of perfume from the rhizome and it's alwasy a sterile clone.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on May 11, 2012, 11:58:05 AM
Angelo are you saying that Iris pallida does not set seed?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on May 11, 2012, 11:59:52 AM
Michael that is a lovely clump. Iris pallida and its forms seem to enjoy life here so I always order seed whenever they are offered in the seed exchanges.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ChrisB on May 11, 2012, 01:27:08 PM
Thanks for your thoughts Lesley.  I'll just enjoy it anyway.  I have always wondered if it was what it said on the label....
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 11, 2012, 01:44:41 PM
Thanks Angelo, I have corrected the name in the above post. My plant does set seed.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: mark smyth on May 11, 2012, 02:27:05 PM
Michael your Iris is stunning. What height is it?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 11, 2012, 03:34:38 PM
Between  95 and 100 cm Mark
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on May 12, 2012, 12:32:49 PM
Pat, the common Iris pallida is usually sterile, what you get as seeds of this species is probably I. gengialti, which is the fertile form found in the wild, as Michael says observing his plants.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on May 13, 2012, 11:03:03 AM
Thanks Angelo.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on May 14, 2012, 12:23:48 AM
Never heard of Iris pallida being sterile - that would be odd indeed since it is in the ancestry of virtually every modern TB. Iris cengialtii is often regarded as a subspecies of Iris pallida.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on May 14, 2012, 11:03:15 AM
Yes Tom, of course Iris pallida is a fertile specie, but I meant the common from in circulation, which was selected from the perfume industry
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on May 14, 2012, 12:41:30 PM
Three more that we were given, thus saving them from the compost heap. All of our Irises came to us in this way, except for the Junos and Oncos. Not even sure if I like most of them, but we can always find a spot for any unwanted plants. ::)
The first we now know as Green Spot thanks to Lesleys ID'ing of it earlier. The other two we dont know.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Maggi Young on May 14, 2012, 02:01:10 PM
Ron, you must learn to live by ye olde motto.... 'never look a gift iris in the beard'......  ;D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on May 14, 2012, 02:04:48 PM
 ;D ;D ;D

Agreed Maggi. A gift is a gift ;). Dont get me wrong I am very happy having them in amongst the other plants, they add splashes of colour and structure over good long periods. I'm just very unsure about them when I look at them as individuals. :-\ :-\

However, all gifts always gratefully accepted,  ;D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on May 14, 2012, 03:24:23 PM
Thanks for the clarification, Angelo! That is not at all what you said in your earlier post.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on May 14, 2012, 03:47:15 PM
Three more that we were given, thus saving them from the compost heap. All of our Irises came to us in this way, except for the Junos and Oncos. Not even sure if I like most of them, but we can always find a spot for any unwanted plants. ::)
The first we now know as Green Spot thanks to Lesleys ID'ing of it earlier. The other two we dont know.

The third one looks like 'Chubby Cherub', Ron!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on May 14, 2012, 03:54:37 PM
Thanks Wim,  :).

Who comes up with these names? ::) I think that plant has just died of embarrasement  :-[ :-[ ;D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on May 14, 2012, 04:49:08 PM
Who comes up with these names? ::) I think that plant has just died of embarrasement  :-[ :-[ ;D

 ;D ;D

The second one might be 'Snugglebug'  :D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on May 14, 2012, 06:03:41 PM
Oh! :o. Thanks again Wim, ( I think ), ;D ;D

I won't tell it if you dont, :-[ :-[ ;D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 14, 2012, 10:18:47 PM
Ron I'm pretty sure I have your third one too, but not as 'Chubby Cherub.' Can't remember just now but should be able to check in the spring. This is not to say that Wim is wrong, far from it. More, it goes to show what I said earlier that different breeders come up with the same result and each gives HIS (or her) plant, a different name. It's a nice one, whatever. One of the more embarrassing names, to my mind, is 'Kissimee' though the iris itself is nice.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on May 15, 2012, 09:25:56 AM
I hope you're right Lesley about the third one, 'Chubby Cherub' indeed. :-X
But then if it turns out to be something like 'Kissimee', argh! even worse. ;D ;D :-[
Thanks everyone for your help in ID'ing our irises. Only a few more to go.  ::) ::) ::)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on May 15, 2012, 02:09:27 PM
There's also a 'Jolly Joey' which is quite similar to 'Chubby Cherub', but like Lesley said, a lot of them are similar!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ronm on May 15, 2012, 02:29:13 PM
Cheers Wim, ;D 8)

How you guys remember all of these amazes me, :o
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Rick R. on May 15, 2012, 02:33:25 PM
The third one looks like 'Chubby Cherub', Ron!

Agree with Wim.

Compare:
Jolly Joey
http://lfrazer.com/iris/jollyjoey.html (http://lfrazer.com/iris/jollyjoey.html)

Chubby Cherub
http://lfrazer.com/iris/chubbycherub.html (http://lfrazer.com/iris/chubbycherub.html)

Spring Peeper
[attach=1]     [attach=2]
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on May 15, 2012, 02:38:38 PM
How you guys remember all of these amazes me, :o

Alliteration is the key, Ron  ;) ;D

Spring Peeper

Very nice, Rick!Is that a SDB or a MDB?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Rick R. on May 16, 2012, 04:27:58 AM

Spring Peeper - (Jesberger 2004) SDB (Chubby Cheeks x Bedford Lilac)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: alpinelover on May 18, 2012, 10:25:09 PM
Some irises that flowered in the garden, these last weeks.
Iris reichenbachii (photo 1,2 and 3)
Iris chamaeiris var. campbellii (photo 4 and 5)
Iris 'Ablaze' (photo 6 and 7)

Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ChrisB on May 18, 2012, 11:03:32 PM
Thank you.  When I saw your I. reichenbachii I realised thats the name of the one I've also got flowering in a sink in the front garden at the moment.  Such a lovely plant!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: mark smyth on May 19, 2012, 12:06:30 AM
My Jolly Joey doesn't look like the one on frazer.com
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on May 19, 2012, 12:07:18 PM
My Jolly Joey doesn't look like the one on frazer.com

Jolly Joey looks like the one on Frazer, see a picture of that one from Cayeux: http://www.iris-cayeux.com/pictos/articles/g/jollyjoey.jpg (http://www.iris-cayeux.com/pictos/articles/g/jollyjoey.jpg) and here on the Iris Encyclopedia: http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Main/Mdb/MdbJollyJoey (http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Main/Mdb/MdbJollyJoey)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 20, 2012, 12:01:04 AM
Lovely irises Alpinelover, and a real treat for me to see 'Ablaze' again after so long. I think it was the first MDB I ever had, maybe 50 years ago. I don't have it now though. :(
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on May 20, 2012, 08:59:54 AM
What beautiful irises and so happy and healthy Alpinelover

Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: LucS on May 20, 2012, 11:30:16 AM
A few iris flowering in the rockgarden at the moment
Iris illyricus from Croatia
Iris lacustris x gracillipes cristata
Iris hookeri
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 21, 2012, 02:47:58 AM
Luc, a short recent discussion on this iris (or I think it was Iris cristata x gracilipes) concluded that there is no such thing and that the cross, if it were made by someone in the first place, didn't "take" leaving the seeds and subsequent seedlings, to be straight I. cristata. I believe this is the same here. There is no sign at all in your pictures that I. gracilipes may be involved in the iris shown. It is wholly I lacustris or, more likely, cristata.

Iris hookeri is, of course, a dwarf form of Iris setosa and could be setosa nana or a few other names which may or may not be valid. Iris setosa hookeri is relatively safe, not to be confused with the quite different I. hookeriana. (Sorry!)

Maybe the last 4 pictures could be transferred to the newer iris species thread, as these are not bearded.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: maggiepie on May 21, 2012, 10:34:36 AM
Can someone tell me what this little Iris is, it was a gift from a friend in Calgary who has grown it for many years.

Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ChrisB on May 21, 2012, 12:39:16 PM
Don't know Helen, but its a beautiful colour!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lori S. on May 21, 2012, 04:15:37 PM
Can someone tell me what this little Iris is, it was a gift from a friend in Calgary who has grown it for many years.
Looks like a dwarf(?) bearded iris, of which there are countless cultivars.  I used to have many at one time.  There were some really excellent suppliers around (well, probably still are - I just haven't looked into it since.)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: alpinelover on May 21, 2012, 08:43:21 PM
Lovely irises Alpinelover, and a real treat for me to see 'Ablaze' again after so long. I think it was the first MDB I ever had, maybe 50 years ago. I don't have it now though. :(

50 years ago? Such an old plant.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: alpinelover on May 21, 2012, 08:44:52 PM
What beautiful irises and so happy and healthy Alpinelover

Thanks Pat, we do our best to keep them healty.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on May 21, 2012, 08:54:51 PM
50 years ago? Such an old plant.

Frankie, this cultivar was registered in 1955 by Walter Welch, so it's now 57 years old!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: alpinelover on May 21, 2012, 09:04:25 PM
Frankie, this cultivar was registered in 1955 by Walter Welch, so it's now 57 years old!

Amazing!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 22, 2012, 12:28:26 AM
Amazing!
Or Ablazing! ;D

I don't recognize your baby Helen either, a Min Dwf Bearded though, and as you see there are plenty to chose from going back many years. It's very pretty. Pure blues are hard to beat I think.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: LucS on May 22, 2012, 05:52:59 AM
Luc, a short recent discussion on this iris (or I think it was Iris cristata x gracilipes) concluded that there is no such thing and that the cross, if it were made by someone in the first place, didn't "take" leaving the seeds and subsequent seedlings, to be straight I. cristata. I believe this is the same here. There is no sign at all in your pictures that I. gracilipes may be involved in the iris shown. It is wholly I lacustris or, more likely, cristata.
Lesley I modified the name to iris cristata.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David King on May 23, 2012, 09:58:17 AM
A couple in the garden at the moment.

1. Iris 'Rajah Brooke'
2  & 3.  Unnamed Iris
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 23, 2012, 11:12:01 AM
Does anyone know what this unnamed Iris is in David's posting?  I seem to think it has something to do with sea, sky or storms - not on the database!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 23, 2012, 12:22:41 PM
Rings a bell with me but I need to see my lot in the spring. The first is very dramatic isn't it? A tall form?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 23, 2012, 12:26:28 PM
Yes Lesley, last year it was much taller though (I don't think it liked this spring).  This year it is only 50cm I would say last year it was half as much again.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David King on May 23, 2012, 03:07:54 PM
This was a nice one we saw last Saturday.  Unfortunately there was no label.

Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 23, 2012, 06:02:03 PM
David that is a stunner.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: olegKon on May 24, 2012, 08:31:06 PM
Something very special, David!
1. Crimson Glow
2,3 This one was received as Iris cristata, but ...
4. Unknown species got as Iris wilsonii which it is not. Any ideas
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on May 24, 2012, 08:39:24 PM
Oleg, could No. 4 be I. sintenisii?
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on May 24, 2012, 09:20:33 PM
The one received as "cristata" looks like Iris aphylla.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: olegKon on May 25, 2012, 09:17:47 AM
Thank you so much, people. You seem right.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 25, 2012, 01:54:11 PM
Iris germanica Davy Jones, I hope.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Maggi Young on May 25, 2012, 05:06:25 PM
Iris germanica Davy Jones, I hope.
What a wonderful colour!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: olegKon on May 25, 2012, 05:36:10 PM
Cannot agree more, Maggi.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on May 25, 2012, 07:42:24 PM
I'm sure it's right Michael. I agree with Maggi and Oleg, a beautiful colour.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: ChrisB on May 26, 2012, 01:11:12 PM
Michael,  that's a wonderful colour.  Its now on my shopping list.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David King on May 27, 2012, 05:27:22 PM
Two in the garden today.

1 and 2.  Iris Tabac Blond  (first one with sun behind)
3 and 4.  Unnamed (lost the label)

Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David King on May 28, 2012, 10:30:42 AM
One more from the weekend.

1.  Iris 'Langport Wren'
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: mark smyth on May 28, 2012, 11:27:22 PM
Unbelievable Iris everyone.

The heat over here, much hotter than forecast, has ruined all of my Iris flowers. On Friday a.m. they were stunning. I went away for the weekend and they are finished.

Only one is left in flower and it's a lost label. I dont remember buying it, getting it as a gift or thieving it :o ;D If the height is needed I'll get it in the morning
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on May 29, 2012, 12:10:18 PM
Looks like another of those lovely older tbs. Haven't a clue as to the name though.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 29, 2012, 04:00:53 PM
Heres some from my garden,a few are old ones.
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/004-3.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/005-3.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/007-2.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/008-2.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/010.jpg)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/012.jpg)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 29, 2012, 04:27:47 PM
Lovely Irises, I like the one but last Davey, delicate colouring.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David Nicholson on May 29, 2012, 04:41:02 PM
Very nice Dave, your garden looks a picture.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on May 30, 2012, 09:43:21 AM
Love the one with Iris variegata in its background.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 30, 2012, 10:15:30 AM
Thank you everybody,Pat it's my fave as well ;D.David this gardens two years old now so getting there.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on May 30, 2012, 10:24:19 AM
Is it Gracchus?
http://historiciris.blogspot.com.au/2009/03/tall-bearded-historic-iris-gracchus.html (http://historiciris.blogspot.com.au/2009/03/tall-bearded-historic-iris-gracchus.html)
My photo taken in Central Otago garden of Pamela McGeorge.
It is no longer in Oz as far as I know - if any locals know of a source I would love to know.
PS Lesley you do have some fabulous older TBs over there that we don't have here.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 30, 2012, 10:30:08 AM
Pat it could be i am not sure,all my bearded iris are acquisitions from gardens i have landscaped or cleaned up.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on May 30, 2012, 12:25:26 PM
I don't think it's 'Gracchus.' Davey's has a fine paler edge round the falls.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Tom Waters on May 31, 2012, 02:40:50 AM
I think it is, Pat. You photo matches well with these: http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Mtb/MtbGracchus#igp1 (http://wiki.irises.org/bin/view/Mtb/MtbGracchus#igp1). I did grow it once, although too long ago for me to claim to "know" it now.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 31, 2012, 10:06:33 PM
Iris germanica fall fiesta
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 31, 2012, 10:23:56 PM
Iris germanica fall fiesta
Wow,now that's a beauty. 8)
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 31, 2012, 10:31:42 PM
 ;D
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on May 31, 2012, 10:57:52 PM
That's a stunner Michael :o
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: David King on May 31, 2012, 11:59:17 PM
Iris 'Frost and Flame' in flower at the moment.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on June 01, 2012, 05:29:41 PM
Some TB's in flower here now!

Iris 'Exotic Isle'
Iris 'Roman Rhythm'
Iris 'Sierra Grande'
Iris 'Titan's Glory'
Iris 'Burnt Toffee'
Iris 'Mary Frances'
Iris 'Wild Yasmine'
Iris 'Neutron Dance'
Iris 'Vague à l'âme'
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: WimB on June 01, 2012, 05:32:22 PM
And some nameless ones!
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on June 01, 2012, 09:33:45 PM
Sadly, there are only few variations of Iris variegata, mayby my crosses of the different variations will give more clones.

Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Graham Catlow on June 14, 2012, 07:55:35 PM
Iris 'Black Swan' has a horizontal stem and three of the flowers have opened at the same time.
I think the effect is rather good. Better than the single upright stem.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on June 15, 2012, 11:09:21 AM
Lovely iris
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: Kees Jan on July 21, 2012, 09:10:48 AM
Any idea which Iris this is? Photographed in the foothills of Mount Korab, in w Macedonia, not far from the borders with Albania and Kosovo. It was quite a remote place, so I think it is not just naturalized x germanica.
Title: Re: Bearded Irises-2012
Post by: arillady on July 21, 2012, 11:39:09 AM
Might be Iris trojana.
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