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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Guff on March 11, 2012, 11:34:18 PM
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First to show itself above ground. All three hendersonii I bought are above ground and looks like all three have buds. I checked my seed bed, lots of seedlings showing green.
1-Erythronium hendersonii
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E. hendersoniiMine are at the same stage here in N Wales. 1 small corm obtained in 2007 became 2 last year and now both have flowering stems. Also collected and sowed seed last year. Is it self fertile or am I wasting my time hoping for germination?
Erle
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Erle,
As far as I know, if it weren't fertile, it wouldn't set seed. 8) So congrats. If you had other Erythronium nearby you may have hybrids, but otherwise it would be pure species.
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Purpurascens and oregonum are now showing a tip above ground. Hopefully they also have buds.
1-Erythronium hendersonii buds
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Very nice hendersonii Guff. Looks like you'll be getting some beautiful blooms soon!
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the first flowers Erythronium today :-*,
Ery.caucasicum
Ery.dens-canis ssp.niveum from Romania
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Hi!
Send picture Erythronium dens-canis, kind of lily that decorates my garden!
(https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-vQdnkr8TLlo/T2YlGEZDM9I/AAAAAAAAFnU/Qa7Invnv8Go/s400/IMG_9244.JPG)
Best Regards! zvone
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Erythronium pink beauty.
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1-Rose Queen Bought as, is it?
2-3 Unnamed Dens Canis
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Guff,
Rose Queen should be darker than Pink Beauty, from memory. I'd say definitely not correct. Doesn't look very "rose" coloured, does it. :'(
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While much of the northern hemisphere it seems has had an unusually early spring this year, things have been rather slow in my part of the world (Oregon) with lots of rain, wind, and cold. Then this morning we woke up to snow, which accumulated to about 5 inches before it turned to rain. Pretty unusual for us to get this much snow in January, let along March. My only erythroniums now in bloom are E. tuolumnense and a few plants of E. oregonum ssp. oregonum, but they all look rather sad poking through the snow.
Ed
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1-2 Frans Hals
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1-Hendersonii
2-Purpurascens
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My dens-canis ssp. niveum
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Erythronium tuolumnense in full flower !! :D
Only 1 flower of E. hendersonii seems to have survived the heavy frosts whe the flowers just started showing earlier this year... :(
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Erythronium tuolumnense in full flower !! :D
Your plants in flower here too. Thanks Luc!
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Glad to hear that Gerry !!
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Luc,
Isn't tolumnense brilliant!!? I find it responds brilliantly to fertiliser too, increasing the number of flowers per head, and the amount of them. Such a good, reliable Frit. Your clump looks great. 8)
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Thanks Paul - I agree, it's a real good doer !! ;)
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A couple of small ones from my growing collection ::)
(I blame the nurseries and daveyp1970 ;D)
1 & 2 Erythronium revolutum "Knightshayes Pink"
3 Erythronium umbilicatum
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Cracking pictures Fred. You must be very supple, I couldn't get down to that level ;D
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I hope this doesn't turn into a " How low can you get" competition ;D
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Oh, I can get very low!
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David,
The getting down isn't a problem.... the getting back UP is the difficulty. You can always lie down to take pictures.... the problem is needing the paramedics afterwards. ;D ;)
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My thoughts exactly, Paul!
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For years I have grown Erythronium 'Pagoda'.
Last autumn I purchased Erythronium 'Kondo' which is from the same hybridisation but has a more distinct brown? area in the centre of the flower.
Does it?
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With me at present only Erythronium caucasicum is blooming in greenhouse. Outside E. sibiricum from China came out much too early and its shoots and leaves were seriously frost damaged
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With me at present only Erythronium caucasicum is blooming in greenhouse.
Nice leaf pattern 8)
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With me at present only Erythronium caucasicum is blooming in greenhouse.
Nice leaf pattern 8)
Not to mention the quite superb flower colouring :o :)
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With me at present only Erythronium caucasicum is blooming in greenhouse.
Nice leaf pattern 8)
Not to mention the quite superb flower colouring :o :)
In fact it is all round a good plant! ;D ;D
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David,
The getting down isn't a problem.... the getting back UP is the difficulty. You can always lie down to take pictures.... the problem is needing the paramedics afterwards. ;D ;)
Girls are more clever ;D
They use a mirror :)
R
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E.siberica in flower now, it is the first time bloom in my hand, so small....
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Erythronium albidum....5 years from seed to flower.....
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Erythronium helenae flowering now!
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Erythronium albidum....5 years from seed to flower.....
But well worth the wait, well done Jonny :D
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But well worth the wait, well done Jonny :D
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Thanks..slow on growing but thankfully extremly good germination....only 20 out of 100 pots flowers this year..but who's in a hurry?...soon enough we are on the compost anyway so why rush it... 8)
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yijiawang and Wim...Really nice once....congratulation!!!
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Japonicum
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Japonicum.
I have found this more fussy about conditions than most others I have tried. Maybe it likes cooler conditions than I give it. I have seen some with great central markings in AGS shows so someone in the south can grow it well.
I thought low/high photo shot problems went out when fold out viewers came in. I will no longer have to get wet knees taking the sundews in the highlands, when I next go back.
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I got wet knees taking a picture of Erythronium revolutum!
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That is very nice Garden Prince, though it looks as though it might be an E. revolutum hybrid. I have one in flower now that is very similar.
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Girls are more clever ;D
They use a mirror :)
Isn't that what patent leather shoes are for? ;D
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And once more Eryhtronium helenae, from a bee's view...no muddy knees here, but dusty knees ;)
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I went for a walk in a local oak forest today with nice patches of Erythronium oregonum in full bloom. This flower with red anthers caught my eye - I've never seen a red-anthered E. oregonum before. There were a couple of plants among the normal yellow-anthered ones. This is the white-flowered version of E. oregonum that represents ssp. oregonum. The yellow-flowered Erythronium grandiflorum is the only western species that has red anthers (only in some places), but it does not grow at all near this site so this can't be any kind of a hybrid.
Ed
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Johnny, curious about the origin of your albidum -- where is from? I would think that the conduplicate (folded) leaves without spots looks like mesochoreum which is far better!
Aaron
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This flower with red anthers caught my eye - I've never seen a red-anthered E. oregonum before.
8) Very unique indeed! It will be another week or so before ours are in bloom.
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1-2 Hendersonii
3 Oregonum
4 White Beauty
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Ed that is a beautiful variation on Erythronium oregonum - the anther colour reminds me of Erythronium citrinum var roderickii which I have just posted a picture of in this week's bulb log.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2012Apr111334139923BULB_LOG__1512.pdf
This feature is certainly stable and passed down the seed line in Erythronium citrinum var roderickii I wonder if it will be in the one you saw - it could become E. oregonum var alversonii ;)
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Ed,
The red anthered oregonum is a beauty. Adds a striking contrast to the flowers. I used to have a pink anthered version of E. multiscapoideum, but have since lost it in summer drought a few years ago.
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This feature is certainly stable and passed down the seed line in Erythronium citrinum var roderickii I wonder if it will be in the one you saw - it could become E. oregonum var alversonii
Actually, Ian, my middle name is Roderick, so I might delude myself into thinking that I already have an Erythronium named after me :)
I'll keep my eye on this population of E. oregonum, but it seems plausible that the red anthers could have a genetic basis, perhaps as a recessive mutation, expressed only when both the pollen parent and the seed parent carry the gene or genes for red anthers.
Ed
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Ed,
That could be stretching it a bit. I wouldn't follow that line of thinking too far (about Erythroniums named after you).... could you imagine how swelled a head Ranunculus (i.e Mr Booker) would get if he started thinking that all cliffs were named after him. :o ;D
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Erythronium citrinum var roderickii grows in Trinity County, CA and the first population is about an hour from my house. It grows in very rocky conditions and the majority of the plants are small singles. Last year I found a nice clump growing in exposed red clay. I went back for seeds but something or someone had beaten me to them. Maybe this year?
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Erythronium citrinum var roderickii grows in Trinity County, CA ..........
And another one hits the wanted list 8)
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Erythronium citrinum var roderickii Maybe this year?
8) Very very nice - hope you are able to get seed this year!
Went and checked one patch of E. oregonum - a few more days and more will be open.
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A few of my erythroniums in the garden today
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Erythronium x revolutum
A vigorous hybrid, probably with 'White Beauty'.
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Gerry does your Erythronium x revolutum hybrid have more then one flower per scape?
1-2 Americanum
3 Revolutum
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Gerry does your Erythronium x revolutum hybrid have more then one flower per scape?
1-2 Americanum
3 Revolutum
Guff - most of them have 3 flowers per scape - it is a vigorous & floriferous form.
Your nice revolutum looks to be the true species. I only have one plant of that & it is not doing very well.
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One from Augis garden - E. hendersonii hybrid
and few from my collection
Erythronium multiscapoideum
Erythronium californicum Early White Beauty
Erythronium umbilicatum with red anthers
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Erythronium umbillicatum and Erythronium japonicum
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This looks better in reality than in the photos.
Erythronium "Joanna"
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I need to move my Erythronium citrinum var roderickii because it keeps getting swamped by Galanthus and other leaves. When is it safe to move Erythroniums?
The only other Erythroniums I grow really well are Harvington Snowgoose and Kinfauns Pink. Both I think need divided - I forgot that no posting of photos for a while
I would like to grow Erythroniums in my new exposed raised bed. It's only just starting to get full sun, when it shines, as the sun rises over the house. Would this be suitable.
This bed will be a mixed bulb and annuals bed. Definitely no perennials but still toying with the notion of planting my, close yer ears Lesley, Sorbus cashmiriana in it. I havent found or seen anything else I want in the middle of off centre
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fourteen days after the leaves got dormant
Roland
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Thanks Roland
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Plant them as soon as possible again
or keep them in a plastic bag with moisture (not wet) vermiculite in the fridge (+4ºC)
Don't let them dry in
R
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This looks better in reality than in the photos.
Erythronium "Joanna"
one of my favs Fred was you lying on your back to get that pic ;D
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one of my favs Fred was you lying on your back to get that pic ;D
As you know Dave, I'm a bit restricted in the positions I can get into since they sliced me open.
I can still get down there though (provided MrsG is around to help me up again) ::)
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Some Erythronium from the last days:
Ery. elegans
grandiflorum
'Kinfauns Pink'
'Joanna'
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Erythronium 'Pagoda', 'White Beauty', tolumnense and hendersonii in comparision
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Udo, your Erythroniums are looking great. It has not been a great year for them here this year. It was so hot early on a lot of them tried to flower at ground level or low down those flowering later were battered by hailstones and frost. Plants are doing well but disappointing flowering.
Yours look ideal especially the E. hendersonii, are they all the same clone?
Susan
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Yes Susan, this Erythronium hendersonii is one clone.
Grown from one bulb in over ten years.
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Never known E. hendersonii to increase so well, Dirk, well done!
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Erythronium oreganum from me
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Erythronium hendersonii
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One of the last here and definitely the biggest
E Harvington Snowgoose
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The last Erythroniuns for this year here
1. Erythronium oregonum leucandrum
2. Erythronium Joanna
3. Erythronium helenae
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I received this morning a paper copy of the RV Roger bulb catalogue (also available www.rvroger.co.uk (http://www.rvroger.co.uk). RV Roger holds the UK National collection of Erythroniums and I was surprised at the cost per bulb of some of the varieties for sale:
Eryhronium helenae - £12.50 each
Erythronium oregonum leucandrum - £14.70 each
Erythronium dens-canis montenegrum - £24.35 each
and, wait for it,
Erythronium caucasicum 'Krasnodar' - £32 each
Erythronium sibericum 'Gornaya Shoria'- £35 each
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I received this morning a paper copy of the RV Roger bulb catalogue (also available www.rvroger.co.uk (http://www.rvroger.co.uk). RV Roger holds the UK National collection of Erythroniums and I was surprised at the cost per bulb of some of the varieties for sale:
Erythronium helenae - £12.50 each
Erythronium oregonum leucandrum - £14.70 each
Erythronium dens-canis montenegrum - £24.35 each
and, wait for it,
Erythronium caucasicum 'Krasnodar' - £32 each
Erythronium sibericum 'Gornaya Shoria'- £35 each
Not too surprising from this source.
Try Pitcairn Alpines:
Erythronium helenae - £6.50 each
Erythronium oregonum leucandrum - £5.00 each
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Nice Erythroniums...does anyone kn ow the background/cross of the cv Joanna, nice apricot colour!
cheers
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Steven, as I know it, the cultivar was raised by a Dutch nurseryman and named for Joanna, the younger daughter of Jacques Amand. It is E. tuolumnese x revolutum
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thanks Maggie, a cross worth trying :)
cheers
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Here are my Erythronium 'Padoga' last May. I planted three bulbs in the autumn 2009 and they have grown well. Are they too crowded and should I divide them next year?
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Maggi, thank you for the articles, what a wonderful surprise when I opened the computer. :)
Happy to help, Leena!
Leena, nice clump of Erythronium 'PAGODA' ( note spelling ;) )
Yes, after they die back next year, (summer) I would lift them and split them.
Depending on what kind of soil you have, the bulbs may have got themselves down quite deep, deeper than you expect - so take great care when digging to go down far enough before you try to lift them, or you may break them.
I think you will be pleasantly surprised to see how many bulbs you will have - you will be able to make five new plantings, I think. :D
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Thanks for the correction of the spelling. :)
Five new plantings sound great, and then I could try it also in different beds to see how it likes other places in my garden.
I suppose 'PADOGA' is one of the easiest, but I hope other Erythroniums like it here, too.