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Title: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: maggiepie on March 07, 2012, 03:30:09 PM
Checking my baggies a few days ago, I found this in a baggie with Clematis texensis seed.
I have no idea what it is, thought it might be a frit until I pulled the seedcase off today. ??? ??? ???

Here is a pic of the seedcase and a pic of the seedling.
I am surprised I didn't notice a ringin with the seeds when bagging them.

Any help appreciated.

Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 07, 2012, 09:32:49 PM
The seed case rings a bell Helen but it has slipped away for now. Obviously not a bulb, with two cotyledons. Otherwise, wait and see. :)
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Roma on March 07, 2012, 10:34:54 PM
Could it be Glaucidium palmatum?
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Maggi Young on March 08, 2012, 10:49:30 AM
Link to page re seed of Glaucidium palmatum ( sorry, this is not yet one of those in our SRGC Seed to Scale project. :'(  )

http://www.alpine-plants-jp.com/himitunohanazono_2/siraneaoi_himitu_1.htm
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: maggiepie on March 08, 2012, 12:10:16 PM
Could it be Glaucidium palmatum?

Wow, Roma, you are fantastic. :)

Maggi, so are you!!
Thanks very much.

So the texensis seed donor is out one Glaucidium Palmatum, what a lovely surprise for me.
Hope it's a white one, hope I can keep it alive and hope I live long enough to see it flower...... ;D
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Roma on March 08, 2012, 01:40:15 PM
Hadn't a clue first time I looked but after seeing Lesley's post something clicked. 
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 08, 2012, 09:10:18 PM
Yes, I'm sure you're right Roma. Nice accident. :)
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: maggiepie on March 08, 2012, 09:15:38 PM
Once again, it just goes to show how fabulous the forum is.
Or should that be forumists, hmmmmmmm both I think!!

 ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Hoy on March 08, 2012, 09:42:05 PM
Could it be Glaucidium palmatum?

Wow, Roma, you are fantastic. :)

Maggi, so are you!!
Thanks very much.

So the texensis seed donor is out one Glaucidium Palmatum, what a lovely surprise for me.
Hope it's a white one, hope I can keep it alive and hope I live long enough to see it flower...... ;D

While waiting you can borrow this:
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: maggiepie on March 08, 2012, 09:45:54 PM
Thanks Trond, what a beauty it is.

Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: gote on March 09, 2012, 03:27:17 PM
I am quite sure it is glaucidium
Göte
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: maggiepie on March 28, 2012, 04:29:13 PM
Am starting to wonder if the mystery seedling actually is Glaucidium palmatum. ???
Do seedlings look like this?
( hope they do)



Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 28, 2012, 10:39:27 PM
The later, true leaves don't look right Helen.
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: maggiepie on March 28, 2012, 11:36:35 PM
The later, true leaves don't look right Helen.

Lesley, that's what I thought . ??? ???
Have no idea what it is but it seems to be fairly healthy.


Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Afloden on March 29, 2012, 01:58:47 AM
I would say Asclepias or something related.

Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Paul T on March 29, 2012, 06:22:24 AM
The shoot reminds me of a Penstemon, but I've never grown them from seed so I have no idea whether it is right for a seedling?  Looks perhaps a little too fleshy?
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Lori S. on March 29, 2012, 01:24:00 PM
Certainly not a penstemon seed, though. 
It does look like it could be an asclepias seed with the silky pappus removed, and the opposite-leaved seedling would make sense...
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 29, 2012, 09:10:04 PM
You need to go back to the first post Paul and look at the seed case, then at the subsequent pics in Maggi's link. I don't know asclepias from seed so can't give any opinion. It's not a glaucidium but it SHOULD be a glaucidium. :D
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: maggiepie on March 30, 2012, 08:59:32 PM
Thanks to all for your input.
Hopefully I can grow the plant to maturity.
Would hate to have it croak and never know what it was I killed. :o
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: gote on April 04, 2012, 11:03:56 AM
Are you sure this is what came from the seed you showed. Glaucidium do not germinate the first spring.
Göte
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: maggiepie on April 04, 2012, 12:07:48 PM
Are you sure this is what came from the seed you showed. Glaucidium do not germinate the first spring.
Göte

Yes, quite sure.
It was already potted and labelled when I slipped the seedcase off and took the pics.
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 05, 2012, 02:13:45 AM
Ulla H sent me seed of both purple and white Glaucidium a while back, it would have been seed from the season before last, in the north. The purple germinated within a month! but no sign yet of the white yet. I'm hoping this winter/spring will bring some along.
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Paul T on April 11, 2012, 01:14:42 PM
Lesley,

Obviously I did something wrong with my seed from the same source (I think, from memory).  No luck on any counts.  ::)  Been a crazy couple of years weather-wise, so could be the reason for it.

So what should Penstemon seed look like?  I've not grown Penstemon from seed as I said, nor thought about what the seed would look like.  Now that I think about it I'd imagine small black shiny or something like that?  I've not thought about it before.
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Lori S. on April 11, 2012, 01:23:58 PM
So what should Penstemon seed look like?  I've not grown Penstemon from seed as I said, nor thought about what the seed would look like.  Now that I think about it I'd imagine small black shiny or something like that?  I've not thought about it before.
No, generally matte brownish/greyish as opposed to black and shiny, and a range of sizes from very small to quite large... I believe Maggi has posted photos of various penstemon seeds in the Seeds forum.
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Maggi Young on April 11, 2012, 01:33:04 PM


That is correct, Lori, there are photos in this thread :
 http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4426.0

of the  following Penstemon seeds :

Penstemon    rattanii
Penstemon   caesius
Penstemon   caespitosus var. caespitosus
Penstemon   cardwellii
Penstemon     sp.  PCH2
Penstemon    abietinus
Penstemon    ambiguus
Penstemon    compactus
Penstemon    cyananthus
Penstemon    davidsonii var. menziesii
Penstemon    fruticosus
Penstemon    grandiflorus
Penstemon    leonensis
Penstemon    linarioides
Penstemon    patens
Penstemon    pinifolius
Penstemon    pseudospectabilis
Penstemon    rupicola
Penstemon    scapoides
Penstemon    sepalulus
Penstemon    superbus
Penstemon    venustus
Penstemon    centranthifolius
Penstemon  hirsutus pygmaeus  
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 11, 2012, 11:36:34 PM
The seed picture I posted a while ago of what was supposed to be Colchicum luteum, is now showing - no, that's not right.

The seedlings IN the picture I posted a while ago of what were supposed to be Colch luteum, are beginning to look suspiciously like Impatiens glandulifera. The double cotyledons are each about 1cm across and developing a small notch at the apex though they are clean green and I would have expected some reddish colouring even so young. The second, true leaves are just starting so will do another pic in a few days.

Chris Chadwell was quite upset and very concerned when I emailed him, certainly no question of denying a mistake or anything like that and very anxious to put things right so far and as soon as possible. His suggestion was that two batches of seed, these AND the colchicum were put in the same envelope seems to me very likely as all of these have apparently germinated - nothing new for 10 days or so, while many more were sown than the 50 that have appeared, probably a couple of hundred. I'm hopeful that the colchicum will still come though in due course.
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 24, 2012, 06:08:55 AM
Well here is a picture of the above seedlings at present. I'm still no closer to identifying them. Against their being the Impatiens I wondered about, is the colour which I would have expected to have a little red somewhere. These are bright lime green and are out in all weathers so not un-naturally pale.
Title: Re: Help with ID of seedling
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 24, 2012, 06:13:43 AM
I also wonder if someone might know what these might be. For some reason I thought they were a camellia, but not sure. There are some teeth at the base of the newest leaves which doesn't seem to be camellia-like.

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