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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: mark smyth on February 16, 2012, 11:52:03 PM
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My T. turkestanica aff. flowered and finished before I noticed.
Today after work I noticed my T. kauf. Sunrise was up and wide open. I must have come up while I was away.
Many others have buds between their leaves.
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My early T. saxatilis and other mini tulips suffered badly from recent bare frost period (-17°C low, no snow cover).
Foliage is soft, dark green colored and lying flat :'(
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My early T. saxatilis and other mini tulips suffered badly from recent bare frost period (-17°C low, no snow cover).
Foliage is soft, dark green colored and lying flat :'(
You were unlucky Armin, last year many pots of tulips froze with me at this sort of temperature. I dont think I lost any, (saxatilis is ok).
They grew very weakly though and some did not manage to flower.
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Today T. bifloriformis is open
Sunrise
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My early T. saxatilis and other mini tulips suffered badly from recent bare frost period (-17°C low, no snow cover).
Foliage is soft, dark green colored and lying flat :'(
You were unlucky Armin, last year many pots of tulips froze with me at this sort of temperature. I dont think I lost any, (saxatilis is ok).
They grew very weakly though and some did not manage to flower.
Peter,
sadly the same did already happen a winter before. Many bulbs will survive but their foilage will look ugly and sick again.
Without an evidence I feel the cause is that the 'cold' winter months shifted within the last decade from eof Dec. to mof Feb.
Nov/Dec/Jan are general too warm and cause too early growth.
Mark,
nice good looking Sunrise!
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Today two more Tulips are showing colour in their flowers. T. Zampa and T. clusiana Lady Jane
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Another Tulip has colour - Ugam.
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T. Sunrise dropped its flowers today, clusiana Lady Jane is showing colour, Zampa is in full colour and Ugam is basking in the warmth
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in a wee voice - T. cretica, T. celsiana and a lone Gavota are open
T. greigii Zampa
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No sign of my old T. sprengeri seedlings emerging. They sprouted last spring and in the autumn I repotted them and they were healthy enough. Today I turned the pot and could see the tiny bulbs on the outer edges of the mix - half the size of a pea or smaller, with extremely thin shoots struggling upwards. The bulbs are about 3cm from the bottom of a 13cm deep pot. Did I plant them deep or have they pulled themselves down/ I don't know if they are strong enough to make it all the way to the surface. Leave them alone or carefully dig and replant?
johnw
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Sprengeri is always late
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John,
You needn't worry. Everything is O.K. Your seedlins sooner or later will get over the soil surface.
As to the depth, I would say that they are even planted shallower. But this is again not a serious problem, as the seedlings usually pull themselves down to an optimum depth. This happens with many species and even cv-s. But as I see your potis not deep enough.
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Yes T sprengeri likes to go down 30 + cm (12 inches) in my experiance
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Thanks-you all. I will sit it out and see what happens in a month or so.
johnw
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All my Tulipa kauf. cultivars are now in full colour. 4 weeks earlier than last year.
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All my Tulipa kauf. cultivars are now in full colour. 4 weeks earlier than last year.
Mark, I see the spring in your area is quite early and on time. here in my place, it is full winter with a snow cover. I suppose I will enjoy my faufmanniana tulips at the end of this month, or at the beginning of April.
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One would forget the species tulipa after all those cultivars.
A few are starting their flowering after a short period of sun last week - all from the "white flower with yellow center" group:
Tulipa subbiflora from Tadjikistan, a species close to T. orythioides
Tulipa orythioides from Uzbekistan
Tulipa regelii from Kazakhstan with its unusual leaf
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Gorgeous species Tulips Luc ;D ;D
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Bl@@dy slugs have ravaged my regeliis
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>:( glad its not mine tho 8)
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I think Tulipa regelii is just lovely...... where did all you folks get yours from?
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In my case from a friend, and now I'm growing a few seedbatches in their 2nd year after germination.
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I bough a bulb from Janis a few years ago, It set seed last year -which I sowed. There have been two offsets in about six years, the first one I gave to a friend. I also sowed seeds from a friend last year.
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So it's not too reluctant from seed? That's good to hear.
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cute tulips! 8)
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Janis was giving some advice on seedlings last automne I think. someone posted about it germinating in the tulip thread or else "what's germinating now " I think. can't recall if it is up for me, I think one pot of seeds is. The bulb is about to flower..
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In my case from a friend
moi aussi
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Luc :o :o 8) I couldn't dicide to obtain T. regelii bulb from Janis :-\ I'm not sure the extremely unique (and expensive) tulip fits to my climate.
Here are kinds of popular tulips of my favourites.
1. 2. Tulipa kurdica
3. 4. Tulipa humilis var. pulchella Albocaerulea Oculata Group
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Wonderful flowers, Tatsuo. Mine are just starting to bud...it's nice to be able to enjoy yours already!
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Tatsuo - very nice indeed. You must have extremely good light in your garden for the tulips to be so short.
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Luc :o :o 8) I couldn't dicide to obtain T. regelii bulb from Janis :-\ I'm not sure the extremely unique (and expensive) tulip fits to my climate.
T. regellii needs a long and dry rest (till November). So far it seems very hardy.
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Tulipa dasystemon from Kyrghisia.
This one is a relative of T. tarda, but with solitary flowers, completely yellow tepals and dark markings on the back of the outer tepals.
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Very, very special Luc. 8) 8) Well grown, :o
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Tulipa dasystemon from Kyrghisia.
This one is a relative of T. tarda, but with solitary flowers, completely yellow tepals and dark markings on the back of the outer tepals.
.... and a really lovely fragrance :)
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Wim, thanks :) I'm looking forward to your posts of pics ;)
Gerry, I'm lucky for growing them outside :)
Luc, thank you for your advice :) only the thing is my budget...
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pure color, congratulations, pure color, congratulations. Tulipa dasystemon heavily cultivated
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Tulipa fosteriana
It is well-known species, but beautiful
flower diameter 34 cm
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Tulipa turkestanica aff. 311-2 from Tadjikistan is very compact en opened it's flowers for the first time today ! :D
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I dont really know my Tulipa Luc, but I do like these very much. Purity of colour , very nice. 8) 8)
Nice tent by the way, ;D ;D ;D Cheeky ;D ;D
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Luc, thank you for your advice :) only the thing is my budget...
Grow these from seed, there are good sources.
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Luc, I do not have such :'( :'( :'(
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First time for me, the dark colored Tulipa Cypria blooming today.
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That is something different Oron.
Is this one rare in nature ?
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Luc
It can be still seen in North Cyprus but it is on the Red List,
Growing at low altitudes its future is uncertain due to construction.
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That is very beautifull Oron.
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First time for me, the dark colored Tulipa Cypria blooming today.
Fantastic colour! :o - is this species always as dark as in your picture?
Sad it is endangered due construction (as so many other local mediterranean species).
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Fantastic colour! :o - is this species always as dark as in your picture?
Hi Hans
Yes it has a dark, deep wine color different from any other tulip species.
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A beautiful tulip Oron !! Fantastic !
How tall is it in flower ??
I had Tulipa kaufmanniana 'Nessy' in flower today.
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Now, they are very nice Luc. ;D 8) ;D 8)
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Luc,
'Nessy' is very beautiful. I especially like its bright colourful base.
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A beautiful tulip Oron !! Fantastic !
How tall is it in flower ??
Luc,
This one is about 25cm but can be up to 40.
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Some beauties in here everyone. Thanks.
The Tulipa regelii i is certainly different, isn't it? That leaf is amazing!! And i just love the albocaerulea oculata.... are they as cool in person as they are in the pictures?
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Another one opened for me today ! :D
Tulipa berkariense
Sorry the third picture is blurry, but it shows the height (?) of the plant - barely 8 cm :D
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Very cute at that size, Luc.
Found some references to that plant, which I thought rang a bell....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/shows/stirling/2009.pdf
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4955.msg149234#msg149234
http://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/zxM04NdekTEYd8O2OWLL1Q from GotBotGdn
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Thanks Maggi !!! :-*
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Some very interesting pictures on those threads. Thank you Maggi :)
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Tulipa berkariense and Nessy are very desirable.
In my garden T. sogdiana is now open
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So it's not too reluctant from seed? That's good to hear.
T. regelii set seeds very well and they germinate perfectly, not so great percentage reach blooming size here, but I'm satisfide. Nice to see that now it is quite widely grown.
Janis
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Tulipa turkestanica aff. 311-2 from Tadjikistan is very compact en opened it's flowers for the first time today ! :D
It is Tulipa subbiflora!!!
Janis
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A beautiful tulip Oron !! Fantastic !
How tall is it in flower ??
I had Tulipa kaufmanniana 'Nessy' in flower today.
Nice to see tulip cultivar raised by me in 80' so nice. It think you got ir from Augis? I lost it many years ago due rodents and replaced just from Augis 2 years ago. He kept this beauty through years. Originally it was named for my girlfriend Nelly, but when she left me I renamed it...
Janis
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Another one opened for me today ! :D
Tulipa berkariense
Sorry the third picture is blurry, but it shows the height (?) of the plant - barely 8 cm :D
Many entries from me today, but I'm checking Forum entries of other bulbs not so often. Now I'm using free evening in hotel before flying home from Greece. Superb picture of my new species discovered by me during my first trip to Central Asia.
Janis
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Another one opened for me today ! :D
Tulipa berkariense
Sorry the third picture is blurry, but it shows the height (?) of the plant - barely 8 cm :D
Many entries from me today, but I'm checking Forum entries of other bulbs not so often. Now I'm using free evening in hotel before flying home from Greece. Superb picture of my new species discovered by me during my first trip to Central Asia.
Janis
It's a real stunner Janis !
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A beautiful tulip Oron !! Fantastic !
How tall is it in flower ??
I had Tulipa kaufmanniana 'Nessy' in flower today.
Nice to see tulip cultivar raised by me in 80' so nice. It think you got ir from Augis? I lost it many years ago due rodents and replaced just from Augis 2 years ago. He kept this beauty through years. Originally it was named for my girlfriend Nelly, but when she left me I renamed it...
Janis
You're right Janis - nice to know the story behind it ! ;)
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Bought as Tulipa humils 'Albo-Caerula Oculata'! >:( One more reason to grow SRGC seedex seed.
Any ideas?
johnw
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Tulipa armena from Erzurum in Eastern Turkey
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Bought as Tulipa humils 'Albo-Caerula Oculata'! >:( One more reason to grow SRGC seedex seed.
Any ideas?
johnw
It is some of turkestanica group. Just which one impossible to determine by picture.
Janis
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Two more to add:
Tulipa lownei from Mt. Hermon
Tulipa kurdica
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My first Tulipa greigii is out today :
it's a cultivar named "Mountain's Glory"
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Tulip clusiana
Tulip Corona
John B
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Here is T. Gavota in full flower in my garden - 4 weeks early. It normally looks like this during mid to late April
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Some more tulips out today :
1-2 : Tulipa altaica
3-4 : Tulipa dubia - beldersai - has some damage to the flowers by the hard frost of early February :(
5-6 : Tulipa kolpakowskiana
7-8 : Tulipa stapfii
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Luc,
I enjoy to see all those lovely wee beauties in your rock garden. 8)
Compared to my garden you can be very happy with the view frost damages, I lost tulip colonies this winter :'(
Never had this before. :(
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Sorry to hear that Armin !
I do have lots less flowers on many Tulips, probably because of too early dormancy after last year's warm early Spring.
None of my humilis flowered and another number of Tulips had damaged, distorted flowers because of the horrid cold after the warm early Winter... :( Not a good tulip season, but I hope I haven't lost any.. :-\
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Luc,
you exactly describe it. Not a good season.
I agree with you that 2011 season wasn't good at all, too. Spring was extremely dry followed by a wet summer.
The much too warm winter has caused early growth followed by terrible black frosts in February...
This was deadly for T. kaufmanniana+cvs., T. eichleri, T. 'Velvet Lily' (acuminata_x_eichleri), T. linifolia, T. orphanidea, T. clusiana+cvs.+seedlings, T. biflora, T. subpraestans, T. neustruevae, T.montana, T. kolpakowskiana, T. humilis (partly), T. fosteriana+cvs.(partly)
Here and there I find single and damaged leaves but it will need some years (of good conditions) to recover.
Surprisingly a good doer is T. saxatilis, early leaves got totally frozen but growths continues.
T. turkestanica (or is it bifloriformis?), T. praestans, T. aff. albertii (unknown hybrid), T. whittallii & T. tarda have no big frost damages, just growths is smaller.
T. sylvestris growths best of all of them and has set more buds then ever before.
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:'( :'( What a disaster Armin ! It's not nearly as bad out here..
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Luc,
I enjoy to see all those lovely wee beauties in your rock garden. 8)
Compared to my garden you can be very happy with the view frost damages, I lost tulip colonies this winter :'(
Never had this before. :(
I don't think that the loos is related with frosts. Most of the tulips are very forst hardy. In my opinion, that is beacause of European climate specifics - mild wet winters. Especially for Middle Asian species it is not desirable. My Siberian collegues succesfully grow tulips in their area where the temperature during winter drops to -50 C (pus snow cover), everything is O.K. In my area the temp drops to -30 sometimes, but I never lost tulips due to forsts. The main reason, in my opinion, is excessive humidity during winter and strict changes of temperature at thas time.
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Oh Zhirair - I twice lost tulips just from frost. Once even the hardiest forms, inclusive old garden cultivars and even Darvin Hybrids. It was many years ago in my first garden but just after black frost something similar to that in Germany this winter. And on second case in my present garden I lost almost all species tulips. It was in soviet time and I didn't covered beds in autumn - couldn't buy peat moss and later was busy in my state job to collect dry leaves for mulching. Tulips can suffer. Sometimes in center is formed small replacement bulbs. When leaves die, harvest bulbs, dry them and later clean out small replacement bulbs. In such way you can save some stocks, but it is worth only with valuable stocks.
You perfectly noted - minus 50 C plus snow cover. Just snow cover protects bulbs from frost. We here have wet winters every year and it is not so dangerous as just black frost and especially sudden black frost aftyer warm first half of winter as it was this season. I lost many crocuses even in greenhouse but no one outside, where was snow cover.
Janis
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I think the problems with the tulips last Winter were because of the extremely warm and wet Autumn and January which made that plants were much more advanced than in a "normal" season. At the end of January, leaves were out and even some flower buds were showing.... and then.... early February came the big freeze with temperatures going down to -10 or even -20° C in some areas which must have been very harmful, if not lethal to some plants... :-\
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I think the problems with the tulips last Winter were because of the extremely warm and wet Autumn and January which made that plants were much more advanced than in a "normal" season. At the end of January, leaves were out and even some flower buds were showing.... and then.... early February came the big freeze with temperatures going down to -10 or even -20° C in some areas which must have been very harmful, if not lethal to some plants... :-\
You are right, Luc.
Janis
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Zhirair,
I agree with Luc and Janis. In mild & wet winters I would expect more damages caused by fungus i.e. botrytis. Early growth started already in Nov., enhanced in Jan. after rainfalls in Dec...
In my area there were no snow falls at all who could protect bulbs from frost. Almost anything early growing and showing its noses close or above ground was visible hit by the black frost (up to -18°C on ground level in the nights). During the 2 weeks strong frost period the ice on ponds became up to 35 cm thick. Probably same or deeper happend to bare ground.
Probably underground shots became glued by the ice in the sandy soil of my raised beds and simply ruptured by the earth-moving due wide temperature changes (day/night, see graph). I could pull out shots of ~25 cm length of i.e. Hyacinthoides hispanica & non-scripta or complete shots with visible flower buds of Iris reticulata. All shots were ruptured & rotted just above the growing point of the bulbs (weakest point for pull forces).
Interestingly, I found more damage in sunny places then in shadow places. My thesis is that firstly, on sunny places growth was more enhanced over those growing in shadow, and secondly, greater earth-moving forces applied to the shots in the sunny places.
Also, i.e. crocus in the meadow got much less frost damage compared to those growing in raised beds.
Probably turf protected the crocus corms a bit.
Attached graphs show the 4 month records of temperature & rainfall from a local weather station. Total rainfall was 164 liter, lowest temp. was -16,4°C, hightest +18°C.
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You perfectly noted - minus 50 C plus snow cover. Just snow cover protects bulbs from frost. We here have wet winters every year and it is not so dangerous as just black frost and especially sudden black frost aftyer warm first half of winter as it was this season. I lost many crocuses even in greenhouse but no one outside, where was snow cover.
Janis
Janis - As you say nothing is better than snowcover. Problem here is when we order it the shipment is always late. ;)
johnw
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Tulipa urumiensis fighting its way through the weeds
Tulipa - is it saxatilis or bakeri? It grows under Salix lanata - well drained but not very sunny. Only one flower this year but usually a lot more.
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Janis - As you say nothing is better than snowcover. Problem here is when we order it the shipment is always late. ;)
johnw
Tulip bulbs you can keep at zero to minus 10 C without problems till spring and plant just as soil defreeze - as early as possible in spring. I experimented in my young years. I planted 50 bulbs of some cultivar ('Parade') in normal time at end of September and 50 left in unheated summerhouse where temperature inside dropped to minus 20 C. Those I planted in early Aprill, just as soil thaw. Both grew and bloomed, only spring plantings was around 7-10 cm shorter and bloomed a week latyer than those planted in autumn. Bulb crop was identical in both variants.
Janis
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Tulip bulbs you can keep at zero to minus 10 C without problems till spring and plant just as soil defreeze - as early as possible in spring. I experimented in my young years. I planted 50 bulbs of some cultivar ('Parade') in normal time at end of September and 50 left in unheated summerhouse where temperature inside dropped to minus 20 C. Those I planted in early Aprill, just as soil thaw. Both grew and bloomed, only spring plantings was around 7-10 cm shorter and bloomed a week latyer than those planted in autumn. Bulb crop was identical in both variants.
Janis
Janis, I parctice spring planting of tulips every year (the ones I grow in large pots on the roof of our garage) and it works very well. Exception are commercially grown Dutch bulbs, on which during winter storage different fungal deseases develop and many dye. Its true, spring planted bulbs are bit shorter and I also noticed that that have lower propagation rate, comparing to fall planted ones.
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Sometimes in center is formed small replacement bulbs.
Janis
Janis, I found examples of small replacement bulbs this year when cleaning out "blind" pots this weekend that had been destroyed by earlier excessive frosts (snow I like because of its insultation properties)
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some flowering tulips...
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some flowering tulips...
Oh, Frazer, I hate "flamed" tulips. So suspicious for virus infection. No, no, no! No one in my garden and collection.
Janis
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Tulipa altaica
Tulipa clusiana
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Tulipa clusiana.
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Frankie, I've just been enjoying your superb Saxifraga photos , now I see your tulips are getting the same treatment. Lovely to see!
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The T. clusiana's are lovely.
Pity, I lost mine over the winter. Only a few single leaves...
But a few others like T. sylvestris are very hardy and flowering prolific.
In spite of last years dry spring, wet summer, try autuum, warm winter followed by heavy black frosts in Februar - it is durable!
The orange one behind is T. fosteriana 'orange emperor'.
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A tulip I collected near Ankara in 1990
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Is that it's first flowering Tony, it's very nice? You must have the patience of a Saint.
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David
I have had a couple of flowers over the years but in truth I have neglected it,I am not a great tulip enthusiast and only have four species.
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Tulip on the first picture this year celebrates 30 years in my garden as I collected it in Varzob valley. During those years I got no one offset and only 2 years ago got first seeds when I got another bulb of T. praestans. Usually it is with one flower on stem, but this is second case when it forms 2 flowers on stem. I don't know how long it grew in wild, but I'm really surprised for its long life with me. Only one T. fosteriana bulb with similar features lives with me longer - 34 years.
On next picture one of only recently described species - T. lemmersii. Fantastical! First season with me.
Then 3 pictures of Tulipa humilis - the first is commercial white form, the second was collected by me in Iran, both quite similar, greatest difference in filament color. The third comes from Turkey
Last two by some are regarded as humilis, too, but they were described by P. Wendelbo as T. kurdica. Greatest difference in flower color - Tulipa kurdica is red, but humilis purple/lilac.
Janis
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for UK growers - details of major tulip show in the West Midlands of England
http://www.tulipsociety.co.uk/index.php/component/gcalendar/event/czd1N2M0bTVqbGhjbDU2ZDVrYWpicGU4cXMgc2VjcmV0YXJ5QHR1bGlwc29jaWV0eS5jby51aw/1?start=1335567600&end=1335654000 (http://www.tulipsociety.co.uk/index.php/component/gcalendar/event/czd1N2M0bTVqbGhjbDU2ZDVrYWpicGU4cXMgc2VjcmV0YXJ5QHR1bGlwc29jaWV0eS5jby51aw/1?start=1335567600&end=1335654000)
Janis, thanks for picture of T. kurdica - from what I've read the only difference to T. humilisseems to be colour of the tepals, though Wilford suggests perhaps some differences in the tepal size (but then what sample was taken, as there is often variation?). Anyhow, T. kurdica is splendid, thanks again. Do you know if it is in commercial cultivation?
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Tulipa kushkensis
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Tulipa kushkensis
Jan,
Tulipa kuschkensis is a beauty! What a striking base!
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We were given this one a good few years ago, and have found it does well for us. We dont know its name, but it forms good clumps which we now have plenty of around the garden. I have tried to look it up but haven't been able to find one with such a 'peachy' colour to it, which is also so short in the flower stem. Can anyone help please? :)
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Tulipa Hemisphere
Tulipa shirley
Tulipa huis ten bosch
Tulipa flamenco
Tulipa flamenco
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Then 3 pictures of Tulipa humilis - the first is commercial white form, the second was collected by me in Iran, both quite similar, greatest difference in filament color.
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Tulipa humilis albocaerulea (or alba?) is one of the most impressive Tulips to me.
Unfortunately -as far as I have heard- at least the commercial variant is sterile (because they are all clonal?).
Is this really true, Janis? And if so, does it set seed when crossed with the variant you found in Iran?
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We were given this one a good few years ago, and have found it does well for us. We dont know its name, but it forms good clumps which we now have plenty of around the garden. I have tried to look it up but haven't been able to find one with such a 'peachy' colour to it, which is also so short in the flower stem. Can anyone help please? :)
Ron, it looks like a T. batalini form, probably Tulipa batalinii Bronze Charm , but there are several other forms :-\
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Thank you Luit. :)
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Tulips flowering in my garden this week:
Tulipa tarda
Tulipa turkestanica
Tulipa humilis pulchella albocaerrula
Poul
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Lovely clump of Tulipa humilis pulchella albocaerula Poul, I can never keep them long enough to clump up in our garden :-[
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Brian, I have had the same problem.
They don't like our wet summer so now I lift them and keep them dry until September/October. Then they are quite easy.
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Tulip Festivals are becoming much more popular in the UK. One such festival was recently held at Constable Burton Hall (www.constableburton.com (http://www.constableburton.com) which is set in beautiful countryside at the entrance of Wensleydale in North Yorkshire, England. The festival consists of both cut flowers presented in vases within the Hall's foyer as well as mass plantings around the formal gardens.
The first set of photographs are of the Hall and a selection of cut flowers.
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some more of the blooms in vases before moving onto the garden.
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and now finally in the gardens..
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:)
(Thankyou)
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Some garden Dutch hybrids...
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This tiny tulip is flowering now. The open flower is smaller than a penny. No lable. But I used to have Tulipa aximensis and Tulipa cretica nearby. I lost both. T.aximensis newer flowered for me. T. cretica once flewered disappeared 2 years ago, the colour is similar but it was bigger. Any suggestions?
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I don't know T aximensis which I think is a bigger plant than T cretica. your picture is very similar to a form of Tulipa cretica which I have. I believe that there are other larger whiter forms of Tulipa cretica.
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Thanks, Peter. Is Tulipa cretica stoloniferous?
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Some forms are supposed to be stoloniferous, I don't think that this one is for me though. Most tulips are good at moving around by 'droppers' and stolons. They change their position in the ground or pot depending on the temperature, moisture, and season. Many Colchicums do this too..
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How remiss that we in the Southern Hemisphere didn't add to this thread earlier!
To make up for that:
Tulipa 'Stresa' x3;
T. tschimganica
T. eichleri
T. kaufmannii
T. bakeri 'Lilac Wonder'
T.greigii
T. aitchisonii ssp clusioides = dwarf T. clusiana
T. cretica in bud
cheers
fermi
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Continuing with more tulips from September:
Tulipa hageri x 2
T. 'Little Beauty Princess'
T. clusiana x 2
T. fosteriana 'Princeps'
T. kolpakovskiana fergana group
T. batalini 'Hony Tonk'
T. aff sprengeri
T. saxatilis
cheers
fermi
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Fermi,
a fine collection of tulips. I like your clumps of T. clusiana and T. saxatilis, a real pleasure.
It is a pity that I lost many dwarf tulip species by last February black frosts. I still hope for some hidden survivors next spring.
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A wonderful series Fermi !!
Lovely to enjoy these bright colours in the wet, windy dark weather we're "blessed" with at the moment !
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Thank you, Luc and Armin.
Only one new one to add today - Tulipa batalini 'Bronze Charm' - a smaller version of 'Honky Tonk' it seems.
cheers
fermi
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Those are some great tulips posted.Mine have not done so well this second year at this property, except for some of the species.
Fermi, I think the label is incorrect on your Tulipa " little beauty"
Regards
Paul R
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Smashing collection of Tulips Fermi.
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Fermi, your 'sprengeri' reminds me of vvedenskyi...besides there being different forms, I think that there are a number of hybrids of it around now.... are the bottom leaves of your plants stiff, pointed and flat/horizontal on the ground?
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Fermi, your 'sprengeri' reminds me of vvedenskyi...besides there being different forms, I think that there are a number of hybrids of it around now.... are the bottom leaves of your plants stiff, pointed and flat/horizontal on the ground?
Thanks, Peter,
this came from Marcus with a note that it's "similar to T. sprengeri but not quite" - I think that a vvedenski hybrid is quite possible - I can't remember what the foliage was like! I don't think they were flat on the ground but that could be because it was a bit crowded.
cheers
fermi
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Some years ago Janis was selling a tulip.... "Tulip sub nom sprengeri"..... More recently I asked him if he knew what it was, and he replied that it was some kind of vvedenskyi hybrid. I cannot remember now if that conversation was on this forum or in a private email.
Perhaps Marcus also bought this tulip?
All the Tulipa vvedenskyi I have have their bottom leaves flat on the ground vey stiff and pointed.
Sprengeri as I grow it is much more upright, smaller flowerd, less orangey in colour, and laxer leaves, it is also very late flowering.
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Some years ago Janis was selling a tulip.... "Tulip sub nom sprengeri"..... More recently I asked him if he knew what it was, and he replied that it was some kind of vvedenskyi hybrid. I cannot remember now if that conversation was on this forum or in a private email.
Perhaps Marcus also bought this tulip?
Peter,
I grow this sub nom sprengeri. It is not a vvedenskyi hybrid. The scientific research showed its relation to tulipa gesneriana. Taking into account its featurs, I don't think it has anytning common with tulipa vvedenskyi. I attach its photo blooming in my garden. I just call it pseudo-sprengeri.
The vvedenskyi hybrid is the one sold in trade as tulipa alberti.
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A book review of a book which I'm sure all lovers of tulips will enjoy.....
18. Asirda Lâle [The Tulip in the 18th Century] by Ekrem Hakki Ayverdi
In the 1950s, Ekrem Ayverdi (1899-1984), a noted architectural historian and devotee of Ottoman culture, chanced on an album of tulip paintings in his native Istanbul.
The album, of quarto size, with a contemporary goat-skin and a gilded cover with a bossed, sun motif, contains 49 representations of tulips, one multi-flowered narcissus (a jonquil) and a single, poorly executed red-flowered cyclamen. The first four pictures are mounted on decorative collage pages with the rest on unadorned paper. Forty-four of the tulips are named, of which seven are repeated. The names are in Arabic, Farsi or Turkish, written in Arabic script.
So taken was Ayverdi with the beauty of the album that he resolved to find out more and sought to establish when and by whom the work was produced. By making comparisons with other works and investigating written information, the quality and type of paper and paints he was able to establish that the work was of the 18th century. Further research with reference to known dates by which various tulips and their cultivars had been named enabled him to establish that the work had been produced between 1726 and 1730. Ayverdi noted that the Defter-i Lâlezâr-i Istanbul, the register which gives over one thousand names of tulips grown between 1681-1726, includes 31 of the 37 named in the album, one appearing first in 1725/26. In addition, 24 of the varieties in the album are listed, with their prices, in the Narkh Defteri, the register of the Kadi (the Canon Law judge) of Istanbul for 1726. Since by 1750 the name of only one of the 37 varieties is found in the Risâle-i esami-i Lâle, a treatise on tulip names, Ayverdi concluded that the album dates from circa 1725, when the appreciation of tulips in Istanbul was at its height.
With a small selection of the pictures together with an introductory essay from Ayverdi about his investigations, a pamphlet was published by Kemal Press in the 1950s. It is likely that a book with the full range of illustrations from the album would have been too expensive for an independent publisher to produce. In later years Ayverdi disposed of the album in order to fund the publication of some works on architecture. Through various transactions the album made its way to auction in 1998 when it was sold for Ł111,500. A few years prior to its sale at auction a number of the pictures were reproduced in a book by the Turkish botanist Dr Turhan Baytop entitled Istanbul Lâlesi [The Tulip of Istanbul].
In 2006 the original Ayverdi essay together with all the album pictures was reproduced and published by Kubbealti Neşriyâti. And just as Ayverdi had done so some 60 years earlier I chanced on this facsimile in an Istanbul bookstore and was similarly captivated and beguiled by the exquisite paintings.
The tulips are portrayed in a stylised form reminiscent of Tulipa acuminate. The leaves are shown, in most representations, as being undulate. The flowers, delicately shaded in soft pink, carmine red, purple, orange, yellow and cream in whole or streaked colours, conform to the criteria required of the tulip in the Mizan'1 Ezhar (The Habit of Flowers), the authoritative treatise on the subject of the cultivation of flowers written in 1703 by Mehmed Lâlezari.
Though the tulips are shown without adornment, the scarlet flowered Nize-i-rummâni (‘the pomegranate –coloured lance’) is presented in an exquisite, cobalt-blue glass vase. Ayverdi mentions that this tulip was the most expensive and was sold in the early 18th century for a price of seven and a half gold Turkish lira. He also mentions that the Nâib-I Krali (‘the regent’) was exchanged for 2 carts of oats, 4 carts of barley, 4 fat oxen, 12 fat sheep, 8 fat pigs, 2 barrels of wine, 4 barrels of beer, 2 barrels of butter, the equivalent of 50 kilos of cheese, one bedstead, a suit of clothing and a silver vase – and we thought that the apogee of tulipmania was in the Netherlands!
As Ayvedi says in his introductory paragraph “…this graceful blossom [of the tulip] became the sumbol of an entire epoch, and gave its name to an era. The Occidental Turks loved all flowers with unrestrained exuberance. Within the fellowship of Islamic civilization, it was solely the Turks who adopted the flower as an element, creating a distinctive and personal universe of ornamentation in architecture and in tiles. But the passion for tulips so far surpassed the affection for other flowers that it became a world in its own right.”
That affection is clear in the wonderful and evocative names given to many of the tulips in the album: ‘the augmenter of joy’, ‘the heart-breaker’ and ‘the bringer of joy’. But it is not only emotions that are evoked, senses managed to be affected, for it is interesting to note that one of the tulips, a carmine red with a white ground, is given the Arabic name which translates as ‘scented’. And though I stand to be corrected, I am not aware of any current tulip which has scent discernable to human olfactory senses.
If you should be in Istanbul I thoroughly recommend searching for a copy of the book: it is more likely to be found in a book shop rather than the book bazaar. There are a few English language copies available but they are hard to track down. The Turkish version will give equal pleasure. I’m sure that a few hours on the internet may prove fruitful in securing a good second-hand copy and whilst the price for such a copy may seem relatively high it won’t be anywhere near that charged at auction for the original album.