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General Subjects => Flowers and Foliage Now => Topic started by: jomowi on October 02, 2007, 07:27:59 PM
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2nd october and I suppose we need a new topic so here is something for starters
The leaves are staring to change with the colder nights. but here are three plants to brighten up dull autumn days although the last few days in Aberdeen have been superb.
First some late Meconopsis punicea; these plants missed the main flowering and unfortunately will die before the spring
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Meconopsis punicea,
Doing well this year despite the cool wet summer with at least 4 more flower heads to come is Knifophia triangularis. Even though we have had it several years with no winter protection I suspect might suffer from a hard winter.
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Knifophia triangularis
And finally but by no means least although relatively commonplace but still a good value plant is Cyclamen hederifolium, again liking this summer.. What summer?
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Cyclamen hederifolium,
and for those who only see white and green, the Galanthus reginae olgae are just starting to peep through the ground.
Brian Wilson (Photos Maureen Wilson)
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My Meconopsis punicea are just starting Brian. Pity we can't cross-pollinate them :D
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Recently I spent a few days hiking in the Drakensberg. This is pehaps a little early for the best flower shows, but early spring rains have done their magic and brought on some good displays such as the simple beauty of forget-me-nots, Myosotis aff. semiamplexicaulis, photographed beside a shady stream high in the Drakensberg mountains. I inadvertantly captured two pollinators in action - can you spot them on the right-hand side of the image?
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That's a lovely blue colour. Very intense. 8)
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Just one of the many Lewisia cotyledon hybrids I have, grown from seed collected from plants originally grown from Chiltern seed. Most of them have been in flower since late March and, if last year is anything to go by, will still be in flower in late December. Great value plants for Summer greenhouse colour. I usually collect some seed each year in case I get a particularly interesting colour break but so far various shades of pink and pale apricot seem to be the norm. Next year I shall have some L. cotyledon 'Snowstorm' flowering so it will be interesting to see if adding white to the mix prompts other colour breaks.
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David, even though my white L. cotyledon plants grow with pinks, oranges and the occasional red, the whites always come entirely true from seed. I mean that seed from the whites always comes white. The others seem to do much the same (true to colour I mean, not white) except that the deep reds/magentas seem to get less deep and strongly coloured with successive generations.
I love that glorious blue Rogan. It looks to be a tallish plant?
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I'm curious as well regarding the myosotis. Can you give us some more details?
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Are people unfamiliar with forget-me-not? They have that common name I presume because once you have them you never don't have them. Took us years to weed them out of our garden here as they are a bit too seedy for us, and the seeds are designed to travel hooked on to items like clothing, dogs, etc so they can be a bit of a pain. The look stunning en mass if you have the space to do them justice, but in my little garden then could get out of hand very quickly. It amazes me at times some of the things that are common here and regarded as unsual elsewhere, but then again I'm sure a lot of you are amazed at some of the things I ooh and aaah over that you grow extremely easily where you are!! ;D
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Forget-me-nots are not unusual Paul, and I'm forever weeding one type out of my garden. In fact, the type seen in garden centres here I regard as a weed. I just like that one because it is very bright blue. Perhaps the grass is greener, or the forget-me-not bluer, on the other side of the fence? :)
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Do you also know the "Chinese Forget-Me-Not" (I'd have to go and find the name of it, as I can't recall it right now)..... it is a taller plant, growing from a rosette of leaves and a much purer deeper blue. It I do grow, as teh colour is so nice, and it doesn't smother things like the normal f-m-n.
Sorry for asking re whether they were commonly known or not. From time to time we find out that things which are common here are rarely seen overseas, because they were brought into this country a century ago when they were commonly in the trade and they have since gone out of it and are rarely found. Also it comes down to at times having our much warmer summers mean things thrive here that don't in many parts of Europe. I suppose that applies to so many of the South African things. :)
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But Paul there are I-don't-want-to-forget-mes and I-wish-to-God-I-could-forget-mes, and Rogan's looks like one of the former. We all know the weedly kinds but maybe this one is less rampant. The foliage looks interesting anyway.
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Lesley,
I've only ever come across Forget-mes and the Chinese one under the f-m-n name and hadn't thought about there being others in the Myosotis range. I guess I'll put that one down as strike 4 for boo boos of late. ::) Quiet now. :-X
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Forget-me-nots are not unusual Paul, and I'm forever weeding one type out of my garden. In fact, the type seen in garden centres here I regard as a weed. I just like that one because it is very bright blue. Perhaps the grass is greener, or the forget-me-not bluer, on the other side of the fence?
What is Eritrichum but an undernourished forget-me-not? ;)
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An autumn snowdrop. There is another flower just poking through the gravel. I was surprised how long it took this one to go from poking through to full flower. I seemed to be waiting ages.
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What is Eritrichum but an undernourished forget-me-not?
Rogan, you could be lynched for that in certain quarters! :o
I seemed to be waiting ages.
I know, Rob, sometimes a watched bud never opens...
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Here are a couple of good value plants for this time of year - Aruncus aethusifolia(us?) in its autumn dress and Schizostylis 'Mrs Hegarty' at the start of its long flowering season.
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An interesting plant. Does anybody know its name?
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Pteridophyllum racemosum.
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Paul, according to the RHS Dictionary of Gardening (1956 edition) there are around 40 species of Myosotis. Our own Flora says more then 50 species. I'm still surprised there are not more as 34 are endemic to NZ or 1 or 2 shared with Australia.
Is your Chinese forget-me-not a Cynoglossum by any chance?
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Some coming out in the greenhouse in today's sunshine. Sternbergia greuteriana; a couple of S. sicula; likewise Scilla autumnalis and Galanthus reginae-olgae.
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Is your Chinese forget-me-not a Cynoglossum by any chance?
Yeah, that sounds about right! ;D Lovely strong blue to the flowers, which is why I grow it. Any good blue flower is welcome in this garden!!
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Beautiful Scilla Anthony !
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Thanks Luc. I have a white one coming out too. Here is Sternbergia colchiciflora flowering outside in a trough. For the last three seasons it has never flowered but regularly produced seed pods. This year I divided the bulbs between this trough and a pot in the greenhouse. No sign of anything in the greenhouse. ???
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Derek Bacon sent me this pic of Androsace wiedemanni. It is the first time he has flowered it. Unusual leaf structure.
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Anthony,
A very nice unusually rosette, but A. wiedemanni is a synonym of the most attractive annual or biennial A. albana.
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Anthony thanks for posting the Androsace picture I think My PC is back to normal,
Franz thank you for the explanation that is why I could find no pictures.
Derek
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Pleasure Derek. Here's some pics of the above two forms of Sternbergia sicula. #2 came labelled as such from Ian Young and is a lovely wee thing with short leaves. I like the way its stigma protrubes from the closed flower. Note the unequal sized petals compared with the other form.
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Got these photos today from Alan Newton of a plant he received as Polyxena sp.
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Same plant, different angle
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http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/Polyxena
Polyxena pygmaea??
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It does look like Polyxena pygmaea doesn't it? I see I must rename my P. odorata as P. longituba. Bother. Besides, it is highly scented. I have seed on it now, ripening maybe about Christmas time, if anyone would like to try it.
No way am I going to start calling these Lachenalia. They're nothing like.
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I love these plants, but not got that one, so yes please Lesley.
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Will do Anthony. A while yet so I'd better make a note :D
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Here are some pics from species which I found flowering after an absence of one week
1. Bessera elegans - a little bit late this season
2. Nerine filifolia
3. Viola palmensis - from La Palma - a large pansy, easy with some
protection
4. Cyclamen (coum) elegans - from Iran - with silver leaves, very early
this year
5. Cyclamen cyprium - marbled with silver
6. Cyclamen cyprium - rose colored flower
Gerd
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My goodness, that Cyclamen cyprium with the marbled leaf is a stunnner... what leaves!
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I like the nerine Gerd - I saw it at the SRGC conference. It looks like you grow it outside. How hardy is it?
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I like the nerine Gerd - I saw it at the SRGC conference. It looks like you grow it outside. How hardy is it?
Only outside to take pictures.
I cultivate this plant in a small lean-to greenhouse. Winter temperatures are around zero (C). For obtaining flowers a resting periode in July and August without a drop of water is recommended but according my experience this is not necessary.
Gerd
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Scilla latifolia , from La Palma, Canary Islands
Conophytum ssp. obcordellum var. ceresianum, not a rock-garden plant, but beautiful night-flowering & strongly scented.
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Hello friends!
I am sorry for being here so few times. Here is one special photo for all of you, Scilla maderensis flowering right now.
Sorry about the quality, but i can´t do better thant that. I hoope you like it
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o38/Jindegales/Sc1.jpg)
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o38/Jindegales/Sc2.jpg)
(http://i116.photobucket.com/albums/o38/Jindegales/Sc3.jpg)
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Hi Hans!
I like your Scilla, it is closely-related to mine, almost sisters!!
The suculent is also pretty!
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I ADORE the Conophytum. :D Looks like one of those beautiful sea anemones which exert little tentacles and wave them around to catch passing morsels of pasta and chocolate cake (well not together, of course :))
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Which sea is this then, Lesley?
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Thought some of you might be interested in this very wee Trollius vaginatus cf collected by Holubec 4500m stony clay N slope Beima Shan Yunnan. The grit is the usual 5mm size so you can see how small it is. It flowered end of Sept this yer from a sowing in 1/02
Also lots of seedlings of Leucojum have popped up in the sand plunge. I have started sowing all the seed from any plnts directly into the sand around the pots, with a label to remind me what is there.
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The Trollius vaginatus cf is quite the little charmer, isn't it? I'd expect its small stature, given the altitude it was collected at but it is great if it will keep this neat habit in cultivation.
Cheering to note how well seedlings do in he sand plunge, I agree. Less bother to look after, too!
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Leucojum roseum is something of a problem in my plunges, beware!
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Leucojum roseum does grow at least as well in the plunge as in a pot. However it is not an aggressive spreader here ... yet! Thanks for the reminder that it is time to colect the seed.
Sternbergia greuteriana is so distinct from the Sternbergia sicula sometimes seen as an imposter that is difficult to see how they could be mixed up by accident. This arrived here as a gift from a good friend - now I must find something nice to send him :)
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Which sea is this then, Lesley?
Well you know the kind I mean, in places like the Caribbean and the Great Barrier Reef. But perhaps they catch seafood rather than what I'd be looking for with my own tentacles.
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Here are some pics made during a visit at Schloss Dyck (castle of Dyck)
near Cologne/Düsseldorf. There is an old English style landscaped garden built during the l8th century. Within the park there is a large collection of rare trees collected by Prince Joseph of Salm-Reifferscheidt-Dyck who wrote 'Hortus Dyckensis', a recapitulation of all plants which were cultivated there formerly.
1. Miscanthus sinensis, cultivated as a natural resource
2. Dog Station (bags for dog dirt) at the enctrance - a good example for
the modern German-English mix we use nowadays
3. and 4. old and young trees in the park
5. Trachycarpus fortunei - not in containers!
6. Large bamboo, part of a comprehensive collection
7. Taxodium
8. Schloß Dyck
Gerd
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The rest
1. Orangery
2. inside the orangery
3. Sempervivum species; cultivated on a table 4.
5. Old Liriodendron tulipifera
Gerd
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Tony, I am happy to see your wonderful and true Sternbergia greuteriana.
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Tony, there seems to me to be a greater difference between greuteriana I bought from PC and one form of sicula (#2) from IY than between this sicula and my other form of sicula (#3) from IY?
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Tony D - I am confused .... is my sternbergia also confused? BTW mine did not come from IY but from much further south!
..... looks down earlier pages in this thread .... and you have posted a new reply while I am typing this
Aha! Now I see what you mean! You do seem to have a plant very similar to mine amongst your collection, you also have something with the same name which looks like sicula/lutea in its flower. To add extra spice I have a plant which was supplied as S greuteriana which is half the size of S sicula (as I have been sold it) but otherwise looks like the 'larger' sternbergias. This latest offering (OK - it came from Alan Edwards) is quite different in form. The flowers are not displayed on vertical stems, rather they curve upwards. The petals are much more 'gappy' than my other sternbergias and it is really quite small in comparison. I dont have time to pursue Ians comments in the Bulb Log right now as Half Term duties loom but I will have a look when we get back. Hopefully you will have it all sorted out by then :) :) :)
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So am I Tony G - see http://www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?topic=856.15 and you will see what I mean. One post with greuteriana and a later post with two forms of sicula. Both the three of them have a light stripe down the middle of the leaf. Only one has the very pointed 'petals' and this one has quite long leaves present when flowering.
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Gerd, thanks for these beautiful pictures. What a lovely place the Schloss is. Elegant and simple but with great strength in its lines. I like it very much and am very pleased to have seen it.
The red flowered plant in the orangery looks like a relative of Mandevilla suaveolens but I can't remember its name. There are several grown in the warmer parts of NZ, not quite so deep I think but in shades of pink. A gorgeous thing anyway.
Please tell me about the German letter that looks like a B but apparently is written in English as SS. How is it pronounced? I've often seen it and wondered.
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I ADORE the Conophytum. :D Looks like one of those beautiful sea anemones which exert little tentacles and wave them around to catch passing morsels of pasta and chocolate cake (well not together, of course :))
Lesley, here it is: Conophytum barnaculoides ;D
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Gerd, thanks for these beautiful pictures. What a lovely place the Schloss is. Elegant and simple but with great strength in its lines. I like it very much and am very pleased to have seen it.
The red flowered plant in the orangery looks like a relative of Mandevilla suaveolens but I can't remember its name. There are several grown in the warmer parts of NZ, not quite so deep I think but in shades of pink. A gorgeous thing anyway.
Please tell me about the German letter that looks like a B but apparently is written in English as SS. How is it pronounced? I've often seen it and wondered.
Lesley,
Thank you for your kind comments. You are right, the plant inside the orangery is a Mandevilla - maybe M. sanderi. Now I remember the name and had a confirmation via Google.
The ' ß ' is called 'sz' and spoken just like a double ' s '. It results from the very ancient ' hs '. We use the ' ß ' when a vocal is spoken long - for instance in the word ' Maße ' (measures, sizes). When you pronounce the ' a ' in the same word short it will mean ' Masse ' which is mass in English. Much more tricky is ' das ' and ' daß ' , but this is something which even a lot of Germans are unable to distinguish. Thanks god there are pc - correction programs.
So - that's enough for a first German lesson. Please forgive me for being always so excessive.
Gerd
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Lesley,next time you come over to Melbourne I will give some private German lessons
Ciao from Otto.
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Lesley,next time you come over to Melbourne I will give some private German lessons
Ciao from Otto.
Lesley, take care, Otto is Bavarian - they are known for speaking a very unusual kind of German.
Otto, please remember what Mr. Steuber told about the train to the Airport. :)
Gerd
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Gerd ,
Be carefull about speaking about Bavarians .....as you know : I'm a Bavarian too !!!
And dont forget : The name is STOIBER !
If anybody is interestet so I will send the talk from E.Stoiber about the train from Head rail station and the Airport ....
Servus
Hans
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You say Steuber and I say Stoiber, eh?
One of our oldest friends is married to a Bavarian and the mother to two little ( well they are fully grown, now) little Bavarians ! ;D
Hans, i think we would love to hear about Mr Steuber and the train!
Thomas, I know that Martin has his books translated into many languages, are you reading yours in English or German? It will be good to help the children with their English if it is an English version.
It is a super book, lots of fun for children, but these old Scots folks enjoyed it too!
Martin's other new book, "Calm Down!" A stress survival guide, is even funnier. I think it should be available on the National Health Service!
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Maggi : the MP3 file is underway to you !
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Mmmm. Isn't Conophytum barnaculoides some sort of wild goose - perhaps of the barnacle variety (Lepas sp.)? ::)
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Mmmm. Isn't Conophytum barnaculoides some sort of wild goose - perhaps of the barnacle variety (Lepas sp.)? ::)
Hmm ... I prefer Lepadomorpha - yum yum ;D ;D
Chloë
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Gerd ,
Be carefull about speaking about Bavarians .....as you know : I'm a Bavarian too !!!
And dont forget : The name is STOIBER !
If anybody is interestet so I will send the talk from E.Stoiber about the train from Head rail station and the Airport ....
Servus
Hans
Hans,
Sorry - you are correct - he is written Stoiber. I know, you are of Bavarian origin, but - after you spent most of your life outside the region where you grew up you have lost your local dialect and so you are able to speak and write German nearly as well as we in the north do. ;D
Gerd
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Hello, Hans,
I have returned from a walk with the dogs to find the mp3 file waiting.
So, hier ist Herr Stoiber : er erklärt uns den Transrapid !!
Sadly, we have politicians like this in Britain, also!
Thank you,
Maggi
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Isn't Conophytum barnaculoides some sort of wild goose
More of a red herring, I think ::)
With this talk of barnacles, I must tell you about this seaside tale: You know how barnacles make a sort of hissing sound as the tide recedes from them ? Well, maybe you don't know this, but they do........
anyway, two little boys were playing in the rock pools being exposed by the retreating tide..... "what's that noise?" said the little brother..... his older brother, so much wiser in the ways of nature, replies with .... "that is the sound of the barnacles waving their testicles to get food"
Yes, every day is a school day! ::)
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Hans,
Sorry - you are correct - he is written Stoiber. I know, you are of Bavarian origin, but - after you spent most of your life outside the region where you grew up you have lost your local dialect and so you are able to speak and write German nearly as well as we in the north do. ;D
Gerd
Gerd :
As we say in Bavaria :
"It is nice to be a Preuss
but it's higher to be a Bayer"
8)
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"Herr Lederhosen mit Computer" has gone- long live Bavaria- but don't be alarmed Lesley, I will teach you High German
Otto.
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I have a little 'sea creature' of my own flowering at the moment - isn't it cute? The flower is quite striking, but not quite as green as this - my digital camera seems to exaggerate green tints somewhat.
Notocactus graessneri albisetus
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I believe those flowers are bright enough to glow in the dark, Rogan!
I am fascinated by the wonderful symmetry of the hairs and spines.... perfectly aligned all round.
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Thanks for the lovely pic of the little "barnacles" and for the first lesson in German. A long, long way to go, but Otto I'll look forward to learning from you next spring. All this talk of barnacles, geese, pronunciation in different parts of Germany etc, has left me totally confused on what has been a stressful day anyway. But at least the power has come back on and only 2 of our big gum trees down, not near house or plants thank goodness.
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Lesley sorry about Your trees hopfully this mean more place to plant so that there comes something good out of that. :-*
Regarding German lessons ;D
The Swedes in my school (me amongst them) did not have to learn about the SZ and only used ss as it is easier. I do not know if that is the case in Germany these days as well to make the language more "internetish" :o
Barnicle, goose all of that made me hungry and it is soon Goose time in Sweden, atleast in south of Sweden. That is a dish to show of here!!!! 8)
Kind regards
Joakim
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Wow! Green flowers on a cactus? How amazing. They combinate very nice with the white hairy thorns. Congrats!
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Hi there, thought you might like to see this colourful little trio that Brian brought in this morning to form an autumn display. It consist of Sax. fortunei 'Autumn Tribute', Cyclamen cilicium (smells heavenly too) and Gentiana sino-ornata.
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How pretty, Shelagh. The Saxifraga flowers on neat stems, doesn't it? I always think of them as tending to be a bit leggy.
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There is not many flowers in the garden of our summer house just south of Gothenburg Sweden right now. No frost yet but most of the plants have decided it's autumn anyway! But some flowers I found on my visit there today.
1. Aster lateriflorus horizontalis is one of the latest to flower. I have it in an northern slope and that makes it even later to flower. I believe it would be wise to move it to a warmer place! It's a very healthy an highly recommendable autumne flower.
2. Aster lateriflorus horizontalis, a closer look.
3. Tricyrtis formosana
4. Tricyrtis Tojen looking up between autumn leaves of corylopsis platypetala.
(Sorry the two first pictures in wrong order)
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Your "not many flowers" are rather good ones, though, Kenneth! :)
I love Tricyrtis but they are not that happy in our Aberdeen garden and never seem to really thrive.
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Glad I'm not alone then. I've tried growing them several times without success. They were wonderful at Crug when we went there in the summer....
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Tricyrtis is in swedish named, what could be translated as “Shadow Lily”. Most recommendations of cultivation says: Grow in moist but well-drained, humus rich soil in deep or partial shadow. I say that in colder areas it’s better to choose a warmer location. The important part of the recommendation is humus rich and moist. With a humus rich soil that holds the moist, you can place Tricyrtis in full sun and it will thrive and flower well.
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What you say makes perfect sense to me , Kenneth..... in Scotland "full sun" is very different to that position elswhere... I will move them to a sunnier spot... or try to....we have lots of trees making shade .
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For 4 months of the year, starting now, I have practically no sun at all in most of my garden, shadow of the house largely to blame. Add to that my very freely draining soil and we have the answer to why I cannot grow them - poor soil and almost no moisture in dry spells - like now....
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The slugs/snails won't leave my tricyrtis alone, just raze them to the ground every time. Aster horizontalis is one of my favourites and a really good plant.
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Here are a few nice things from today. The Larix kaempferi 'Nana' is just at its best on the rock garden right now. Also some autumn finery taken at a very busy Harlow Carr gardens this afternoon.
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Hi Anne ,
I'm glad to see that you grow Verbene bonariensis too !
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Interesting foliage of Alpine plants (seedlings!) in winter (after 50cm snow)
Primula hirsuta hybrid
Androsace vandellii
Primula albenensis
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Androsace hausmannii
Primula recubariensis
Hans
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Hans, your ? No 4 pic looks like - dare I suggest it? - Saxifraga florulenta. Not that I've ever seen that fabled plant, just remember a black and white photo in an old AGS Bulletin. My memory is most likely at fault. But a lovely rosette.
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Forget that! Now I've clicked on it and had a better look, it's nothing like. Idiot! :-[
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AAARGH! Just realised our seed donations have to be in by Wednesday! Better get packeting!
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Here's my Galanthus peshmenii starting to flower, as usual without leaves, in the greenhouse. My reginae-olgae which flowered several weeks ago, still has no leaves visible.
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Here's my Galanthus peshmenii starting to flower, as usual without leaves, in the greenhouse. Myreginae-olgae which flowered several weeks ago, still has no leaves visible.
The fevers started ;D
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AAARGH! Just realised our seed donations have to be in by Wednesday! Better get packeting!
Best get a list of your donations off to Stuart Pawley as fast as you can, Anne, or you'll miss the listing process. I'll PM you with his email... it seems he is nervous of it appearing publically ! ???
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........and still my Lewisia cotyledon hybrids flower. These photographed today should last until early November with new flower spikes to come. I haven't the heart to put them out of the greenhouse but I really need the space to get my Auriculas back in from there Summer quarters. Decisions, decisions???
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Very nice David! I must get some again. I had some once upon a time, but they disappeared and I didn't replace them. Had one by the pond in the stonework, on its side, but it got covered by other plants and saw no sun... my own fault.
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David,
That magenta one is stunning (and the other one ain't bad either!! ;D)
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Here's my Galanthus peshmenii starting to flower, as usual without leaves, in the greenhouse. My reginae-olgae which flowered several weeks ago, still has no leaves visible.
My Galanthus peshmenii flowered a few weeks ago.
My Galanthus reginae-olgae have not flowered (yet ?) leaves just appearing !
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Here's a bit more autumn colour from my garden. The Royal fern, Osmunda regalis is giving a good show, so is the ginkgo - in fact the autumn colour everywhere is outstanding this year.
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I bought Larix 'Diana' at the weekend and Abies 'Silver Pearl'. Shocked to see/find them at a local garden centre
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Thought you might enjoy the autumn tints of my mature Acer palmatum atropurpureum superbum I bought it over 30 years ago and it it came from Japan via the Trans Siberian railway. I think it was worth the trouble
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- in fact the autumn colour everywhere is outstanding this year.
The autumn colour down here in Southern England is the best I've seen for a very long time. Perfect weather conditions for it - plenty of moisture in the ground, cold nights but no frosts to make the leaves drop, and no heavy rain or strong winds to knock the leaves off prematurely. Everything that can produce autumn tints is doing, and exceptionally well, from brilliant butter-yellow Norway maples to the local beech woods. It's incredible. :D
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Colour here in Northumberland is the best I can remember seeing. Don't need that trip to New England this year, have it all in my own garden! So enjoyable.