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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: WimB on January 27, 2012, 02:01:02 PM
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I was looking some things up about white-flowering Eranthis.
Something didn't quite make sense...as I understand it, there are three white-flowering species in this genus. E. albiflora, E. stellata and E. pinnatifida.
But according to the flora of China E. stellata has yellow flowers and pubescent pedicels (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008006). All pictures I've found of E. stellata show plants with white flowers and glabrous pedicels, so that would make alll of them E. albiflora (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008003)?
In the original description of E. stellata (http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?view=image;size=100;id=mdp.39015020108877;page=root;seq=28;num=22) there's no mention of flower-colour at all, but it also mentions the pubescent pedicels...anyone here who can shed some light on this?
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I mean they write that the sepals are yellow and they write not what colour the petals are.
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I mean they write that the sepals are yellow and they write not what colour the petals are.
Yes, but I guess that's the main colour of the flower, no? The petals are "funnelform, 3.5--5 mm"
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It is my belief that the colour in that description was written/described from a herbarium sheet... who knows what the colour can be when it has been squashed and stored for x years!!
Ian and I have been discussing this very matter with a forum friend and the same is going on on a German plant forum.
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It is my berlief that the colour in that description was written/described from a herbarium sheet... who knows what the colour can be when it has been squashed and stored for x years!!
Ian and I have been discussing this very matter with a forum friend and the same is going on on a German plant forum.
That's a fact,
in a herbarium white can become yellow indeed. But that still leaves the difference between glabrous vs pubescent pedicels!
I found the discussion on the German Plant forum but nobody there seemed to be able to give a definitive answer.
Oh, and another question, anyone ever seen Eranthis lobulata? The flowers aren't described in the FoC, so I guess they haven't seen this species in real life either!
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In one of my greenhouse where there are about 5 degress Eranthis stellata got the first flower. In the same greenhouse I also have Eranthis pinnatifida, but there will go 14 days, maybe more before there are flower.
Karl Kristensen,
Denmark
www.kalle-k.dk
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A white hyemailis would be be nice
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Very nice, Karl! Here E. pinnatifida is just showing breaking through the soil outside in the garden.
In the meantime I found the differences between the white flowering species, only E. albiflora and E. stellata still seem very similar!
And E. lobulata is unfindable!
A white hyemailis would be be nice
I think so too, 'Schwefelglanz' seems to be the closest when the flowers opened! Although John Lonsdale has a very nice pale form (not 'Schwefelglanz') in his garden too: http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/Plants_album/The%20Plants%20-%20%20Complete%20Collection/Ranunculaceae%20-%202/Eranthis/slides/Eranthis%20hyemalis%20pale%20form%200002.html but still not white
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I was looking some things up about white-flowering Eranthis.
Something didn't quite make sense...as I understand it, there are three white-flowering species in this genus. E. albiflora, E. stellata and E. pinnatifida.
But according to the flora of China E. stellata has yellow flowers and pubescent pedicels (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008006). All pictures I've found of E. stellata show plants with white flowers and glabrous pedicels, so that would make alll of them E. albiflora (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008003)?
In the original description of E. stellata (http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?view=image;size=100;id=mdp.39015020108877;page=root;seq=28;num=22) there's no mention of flower-colour at all, but it also mentions the pubescent pedicels...anyone here who can shed some light on this?
This mistake about stellata flower color is in all Russian Floras as they judge by dry flowers in herbarium. Really they are white! May be China follows Russia? I wrote about this in my book BURRIED TREASURES.
Janis
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It is my berlief that the colour in that description was written/described from a herbarium sheet... who knows what the colour can be when it has been squashed and stored for x years!!
Ian and I have been discussing this very matter with a forum friend and the same is going on on a German plant forum.
That's a fact,
in a herbarium white can become yellow indeed. But that still leaves the difference between glabrous vs pubescent pedicels!
I found the discussion on the German Plant forum but nobody there seemed to be able to give a definitive answer.
Oh, and another question, anyone ever seen Eranthis lobulata? The flowers aren't described in the FoC, so I guess they haven't seen this species in real life either!
There are two species - stellata and sibirica, both distinguishable just by glabrous or pubescent pedicels. Unfortunately all my stocks of Siberian Eranthis turned only stellata so sibirica still is on my wish-list.
Janis
Sorry for late comments, only today opened this topic.
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I was looking some things up about white-flowering Eranthis.
Something didn't quite make sense...as I understand it, there are three white-flowering species in this genus. E. albiflora, E. stellata and E. pinnatifida.
But according to the flora of China E. stellata has yellow flowers and pubescent pedicels (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008006). All pictures I've found of E. stellata show plants with white flowers and glabrous pedicels, so that would make alll of them E. albiflora (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200008003)?
In the original description of E. stellata (http://babel.hathitrust.org/cgi/pt?view=image;size=100;id=mdp.39015020108877;page=root;seq=28;num=22) there's no mention of flower-colour at all, but it also mentions the pubescent pedicels...anyone here who can shed some light on this?
This mistake about stellata flower color is in all Russian Floras as they judge by dry flowers in herbarium. Really they are white! May be China follows Russia? I wrote about this in my book BURRIED TREASURES.
Janis
Thanks Janis,
just looked it up in my copy of your book! I didn't realise you wrote about that genus too!
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There are two species - stellata and sibirica, both distinguishable just by glabrous or pubescent pedicels. Unfortunately all my stocks of Siberian Eranthis turned only stellata so sibirica still is on my wish-list.
Janis
Sorry for late comments, only today opened this topic.
Janis,
I thought that was the difference between E. stellata and E. albiflora??
I heard the difference between E. stellata and E. sibirica is, that E. sibirica has flowers that look up, has white anthers and a white-green pistil while E. stellata has flowers which are growing sideways with pink anthers and a light-violet pistil. So, that's wrong, than?
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wow very nice plant on John's page and the two doubles Noel Ayres and double Gothenburg form
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wow very nice plant on John's page and the two doubles Noel Ayres and double Gothenburg form
Mark, you can order 'Noel Ayres' here: http://www.convallaria.nl/NL/ListNL.html (on the bottom of the page he sells some Eranthis cultivars)! Andreas Händel (mister Hepatica: http://www.misterhepatica.de/) sells some cultivars too but you'll have to mail him to receive his pricelist!
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Wow indeed.
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Wow indeed.
That's something I feel alot when visiting the site of "Edgewood-gardens"!
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Me too Wim. Would be happy to lie down and die there though I guess that would make some problems for the Lonsdale family. :)
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Me too Wim. Would be happy to lie down and die there though I guess that would make some problems for the Lonsdale family. :)
I don't think John would have a problem with the lying down....the dying would make a problem for us here too, one of the "matres familia"e leaving this forum :'( :'(
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Didn't Geir Moen post a picture of a pink Eranthis sibirica a couple of years ago? It's interesting that both E. albiflora and E. lobulata are so little known; Wolong, ErlangShan and Gongga aren't exactly off the beaten track...
http://www.cvh.org.cn/lsid/index.php?vtype=img,spm,ref,link,&lsid=urn:lsid:cvh.org.cn:names:cnpc_65223
http://www.cvh.org.cn/lsid/index.php?vtype=img,spm,ref,link,&lsid=urn:lsid:cvh.org.cn:names:cnpc_64865
http://www.nature-museum.net/album/ShowPhoto.aspx?photoid=a5618b5b-871d-4112-805b-627861214672
http://www.cvh.org.cn/lsid/detail.php?lsid=urn:lsid:cvh.org.cn:specimens:PE_00397614
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Me too Wim. Would be happy to lie down and die there though I guess that would make some problems for the Lonsdale family. :)
I don't think John would have a problem with the lying down....the dying would make a problem for us here too, one of the "matres familia"e leaving this forum :'( :'(
You are very sweet Wim. More likely I could hear the sighs of relief and "Thank goodness that contentious woman has gone." ;D
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Didn't Geir Moen post a picture of a pink Eranthis sibirica a couple of years ago? It's interesting that both E. albiflora and E. lobulata are so little known; Wolong, ErlangShan and Gongga aren't exactly off the beaten track...
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1605.0 no picture
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http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1605.0 no picture
It may have been on his web page, then, or the old forum? I'm sure I've seen a picture somewhere... There's also another white-flowered species in Korea; Megaleranthis saniculifolia.
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Didn't Geir Moen post a picture of a pink Eranthis sibirica a couple of years ago? It's interesting that both E. albiflora and E. lobulata are so little known; Wolong, ErlangShan and Gongga aren't exactly off the beaten track...
http://www.cvh.org.cn/lsid/index.php?vtype=img,spm,ref,link,&lsid=urn:lsid:cvh.org.cn:names:cnpc_65223
http://www.cvh.org.cn/lsid/index.php?vtype=img,spm,ref,link,&lsid=urn:lsid:cvh.org.cn:names:cnpc_64865
http://www.nature-museum.net/album/ShowPhoto.aspx?photoid=a5618b5b-871d-4112-805b-627861214672
http://www.cvh.org.cn/lsid/detail.php?lsid=urn:lsid:cvh.org.cn:specimens:PE_00397614
Thanks for the links Bjørnar,
still no flowers visible on either of those species, very strange indeed that nobody ever has photographed these plants in nature.
Pictures of Eranthis sibirica can be found here: http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/35567.html (Thanks to Natali for the link). Haven't seen a pink one, though!
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=1605.0 no picture
It may have been on his web page, then, or the old forum? I'm sure I've seen a picture somewhere... There's also another white-flowered species in Korea; Megaleranthis saniculifolia.
Not sure if that is an Eranthis, Bjørnar. Some taxonomists give it the name of Trollius chosenensis and some place it within the monotypic genus Megaleranthis: http://www.springerlink.com/content/y48476238440g501/ Whatever it is, it's very beautiful (and not in cultivation as far as I know).
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Not sure if that is an Eranthis, Bjørnar. Some taxonomists give it the name of Trollius chosenensis and some place it within the monotypic genus Megaleranthis: http://www.springerlink.com/content/y48476238440g501/ Whatever it is, it's very beautiful (and not in cultivation as far as I know).
That does make sense, I admittedly only remembered about it when a picture popped up in a search for the pink E. sibirica.
Here's another Korean that may or may not be valid: Eranthis byunsanensis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nalgae/2353424899/in/photostream).
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Not sure if that is an Eranthis, Bjørnar. Some taxonomists give it the name of Trollius chosenensis and some place it within the monotypic genus Megaleranthis: http://www.springerlink.com/content/y48476238440g501/ Whatever it is, it's very beautiful (and not in cultivation as far as I know).
That does make sense, I admittedly only remembered about it when a picture popped up in a search for the pink E. sibirica.
Here's another Korean that may or may not be valid: Eranthis byunsanensis (http://www.flickr.com/photos/nalgae/2353424899/in/photostream).
Really nice too, the FoC and the Kew plantlist regard it as a synonym of Eranthis pinnatifida! But Erathis pinnatifida is regarded as being endemic only in Japan...I don't know ???
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Wim, if it helps
E. sibirica
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/35567.html
E. stellata
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/35568.html
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Wim, if it helps
E. sibirica
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/35567.html
E. stellata
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/35568.html
Thanks, Olga....interesting links. Natali had sent me these also!
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Wim, if it helps
E. sibirica
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/35567.html
E. stellata
http://www.plantarium.ru/page/view/item/35568.html
Many thanks Olga. Never before saw E. sibirica even on picture. May be you know where I can get some plant? At present I'm growing only E. sibirica.
Janis
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Wim, I can't answer your original questions, but even Eranthis pinnatifida in Japan has lots of variations, so it seems like it's in need of more study...
Here are a few links that show the variation of E. pinnatifida.
http://www.tvt.ne.jp/~kacho/newpage175.html
http://yamanobori12.blog.fc2.com/blog-entry-49.html
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Thanks for the links, Peppa. Some very nice variations....
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My white Eranthis pinnatifida is just coming today :)
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Eranthis stellata grown in my nursery. On the first picture stock from China after increasing (baught 100 tubers, germinated 1) by seeds.
On following three plants originally collected at vil. Olga in E Siberia (Russia).
Janis
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Janis
What stunning plants. Do they survive outside for you, or are they grown under cover?
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My white Eranthis pinnatifida is just coming today :)
YT, is that the one with the white anthers?
Eranthis stellata grown in my nursery. On the first picture stock from China after increasing (baught 100 tubers, germinated 1) by seeds.
On following three plants originally collected at vil. Olga in E Siberia (Russia).
Janis
Wonderful plants, Janis!
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Tatsuo-san, please post a picture again when the flower opens! I'm curious to see what it looks like...
Janis, they are beautiful! It's the beginning of spring! :)
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Janis
What stunning plants. Do they survive outside for you, or are they grown under cover?
They survive outside and in first years I grew them on shaded beds, but now for me is more comfortable to work with pots (they are brought outside as weather conditions allow) under cover. Pictures are from last season. Today outside is minus 30 C and all pots are under additional cover. Before covering E. stellata, pinnatifida and hyemalis just showed first noses.
Janis
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Thanks Janis
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Janis, stunning pics :o
My white Eranthis pinnatifida is just coming today :)
YT, is that the one with the white anthers?
Wim, it's also first time for me to see these flowers. These were small seedlings when I got them 2 years ago. I think probably yes to your question, because the plants totally lack anthocyan pigment on their body as you can see below... wait and see ;)
Tatsuo-san, please post a picture again when the flower opens! I'm curious to see what it looks like...
Peppa, yes, I will :)
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So nice little flowers... :D
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Last night we had a storm and after that the temperature suddenly jumped up to 17ºC :o this afternoon. The white Eranthis pinnatifida posted here on 2nd Feb. open their flower at last. The original plant was collected in Okayama Pref., Japan and I got 2 small seedlings from the original one 2 years ago.
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Wonderful YT.
Like that it's almost similar to E. stellata, except for the much smaller pistils and stamens , and of course the lack of anthocyanin which makes the leaves a lot paler!
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Fantastic, Tatsuo-san!!
Hope you will be able to get lots seed from them and that they will do well for you! :)
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Simply excellent Tatsuo-san! :o
Janis
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Wim, Peppa and Janis, thanks and happy to share the pics of its first flowers with you!
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Looking forward to more of those, YT!
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Eranthis byunsanensis is a synonym of E. pinnatifida by The Plant List (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2791909), so I put 'cf.' before specific epithet about the file name of attached pics ;) In anyway, this eranthis looks different to E. pinnatifida particularly by its petal (nectary) colour and shape for me ??? The picture size is larger than usual for ID :)
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Eranthis byunsanensis is a synonym of E. pinnatifida by The Plant List (http://www.theplantlist.org/tpl/record/kew-2791909), so I put 'cf.' before specific epithet about the file name of attached pics ;) In anyway, this eranthis looks different to E. pinnatifida particularly by its petal (nectary) colour and shape for me ??? The picture size is larger than usual for ID :)
I was actually looking at some sites that listed Eranthis byunsanensis today. This is called 'hinamatsuri-sou' in Japan, correct? I can see an obvious difference between it and E. pinnatifida, specifically the color of the green nectary. What about the flower size? Are they bigger than pinnatifida?
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Wonderful plant YT,
that's another white flowering form which is not very distinct. ::) According to the "The Korean Journal of Plant Taxonomy" there is a genetic difference,
For the ITS phylogeny, E. pungdoensis could not be distinguished from E. byunsanensis. However, the clade of E. byunsanensis, including E. pungdoensis, was separated from Eranthis pinnatifida of Japan, which has a distinct ribotype and forms a sister group.
Or is it the same as Eranthis stellata (??): http://feelgreen55.blogspot.com/2010/03/shibateranthis-stellata-eranthis.html
My best guess would be that (almost) all white flowering species (E. stellata, E. pinnatifida, E. sibirica, E. albiflora (and E. byunsanensis)) have the same parent plant and separated into different species quite recently. When the plants got dispersed (for example by geodispersal when Japan separated from the mainland) the different species changed according to their environment (resulting in visible changes for example, like between E. sibirica and E. pinnatifida or only on the genetic level, like between E. pinnatifida and E. byunsanensis).
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I was actually looking at some sites that listed Eranthis byunsanensis today. This is called 'hinamatsuri-sou' in Japan, correct? I can see an obvious difference between it and E. pinnatifida, specifically the color of the green nectary. What about the flower size? Are they bigger than pinnatifida?
Peppa, yes, this eranthis is called 'ひなまつり草(Hina-matsuri-sou)' in Japan and green nectary is definitely unique character of this species.
Wonderful plant YT,
that's another white flowering form which is not very distinct. ::) According to the "The Korean Journal of Plant Taxonomy" there is a genetic difference,
For the ITS phylogeny, E. pungdoensis could not be distinguished from E. byunsanensis. However, the clade of E. byunsanensis, including E. pungdoensis, was separated from Eranthis pinnatifida of Japan, which has a distinct ribotype and forms a sister group.
Or is it the same as Eranthis stellata (??): http://feelgreen55.blogspot.com/2010/03/shibateranthis-stellata-eranthis.html
My best guess would be that (almost) all white flowering species (E. stellata, E. pinnatifida, E. sibirica, E. albiflora (and E. byunsanensis)) have the same parent plant and separated into different species quite recently. When the plants got dispersed (for example by geodispersal when Japan separated from the mainland) the different species changed according to their environment (resulting in visible changes for example, like between E. sibirica and E. pinnatifida or only on the genetic level, like between E. pinnatifida and E. byunsanensis).
Wim, thank you for the interesting references and good opinion :) As Janis wrote, the imported tubers from such countries are usually bad quality, so this mysterious eranthis plants marketed in Japan now are all propagated by seeds from very few survived plants.
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Whatever the name, they are very beautiful plants. Your E. byunsanensis is a very good form!!
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Whatever the name, they are very beautiful plants. Your E. byunsanensis is a very good form!!
:) We were thinking exactly the same thing here! These white eranthis are quite delightful... most charming and delicate little things of great beauty and a pleasure to see the pictures.
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Wim, thanks! Some more white eranthis are just sprouting now ;)
Maggi, it is also my pleasure to share and see pics with forumists :) :) :)
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Eranthis pinnatifida, ex. Chichibu, Saitama, Japan. Close to northern limit of this species.
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I think every image is stunning and even though bulbs are my passion, I could find room for these wonderful plants - and hepatica :) ;D :)
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Beautiful, Tatsuo-san, thank you for your wonderful pictures.
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Very beautiful, Tatsuo. Love those plants. You're a very good photographer, by the way!
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Art, you are forgetting most important thing!!! Go to a travel agent and book a flight to Japan in mid-April for collecting seeds of those ;D ;D ;)
Brian and Wim, cheers :) I bought a new camera last year and it works very well ;D
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Brian and Wim, cheers :) I bought a new camera last year and it works very well ;D
Good picture of your camera. :) Now, how did you do that ??? ;D ;)
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Art, you are forgetting most important thing!!! Go to a travel agent and book a flight to Japan in mid-April for collecting seeds of those ;D ;D ;)
Tatsuo
I would happily pay for you to collect - have already booked aholiday in Kazakhstan ;D
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Wim, ;D ;D ;D
Art, have a nice holyday in Kazakhstan :) Looking forward to your exciting report at this forum :D
A E. pinnatifida seedling, with greenish sepals.
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An Eranthis pinnatifida, pinkish flower form. Soryo, Hiroshima, where is one of the largest and famous natural habitat areas of E. pinnatifida in western part of Japan.
It looks almost nothing special in front view, only nectaries (real petals) are slightly deeper purple colour than the normal one. But the back of petaloid sepals are blushing all over :)
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A beautiful eranthis YT :o I love it!
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Wonderful, Tatsuo. Very nice form of this plant!
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Ian has just come in and I've called him to see this latest beauty. We both agree it is delightful!
Such perfect little treasures.
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Another stunning plant YT. :o :o
I'd find a place for that one definitely ;)
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Does anyone grow Eranthis pinnatifida outside?
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That depends on whether it emerges or not ;)
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very true
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Thanks all. It’s not so easy for me to go regular meetings and exhibitions of SRGC and see you from a small island placed in the Far East. So it’s my great fun to share the pics with you here!
Ron, it is said that there is a secret site where the pinnatifida growing there are all pinkish ;)
Brian, may be yes, if you think so ::) ;D ;D I’ve never seen such clearly pinkish coloured one before, honestly :)
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Brian, may be yes, if you think so ::) ;D ;D I’ve never seen such clearly pinkish coloured one before, honestly :)
Tatsuo, it is absolutely gorgeous, thank you so much for sharing your photographs from that 'small island placed in the Far East' :)
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Does anyone grow Eranthis pinnatifida outside?
I do,
it's just emerging for the moment. It flowers outside too, but after one shower the flower looks like a wet tissue :-\
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So nice pink shade on your Eranthis, YT... ;)
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Thanks, Nicole :)
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Eranthis pinnatifida, an albino flower form, collected at Hiroshima pref.. This is another albino form and latest bloomer in my eranthis stocks.
Has anyone mentioned that Eranthis pinnatifida is scented yet? I realised they give off pleasant fragrance especially on sunny day 8)
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Beautiful last white one YT ! Thank you ;)
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I know it's not a white Eranthis, but some years ago I got a filled Eranthis of a good friend from England, unfortunately he passed away in autumn 2011.
It has his name Eranthis hyamalis 'Richard Bish'
It will always remind me of him.
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Karl, your Eranthis is a beauty!
Lovely flower!
It is so nice to remember friends by looking at plants you shared.
Lina.
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Wonderful plant, Karl...nice and evenly filled!
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Tatsuo, this white Eranthis looks very good,
here two yellow forms:
Eranthis hyemalis 'Orange Glow'
and 'Schwefelglanz'
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Has anyone mentioned that Eranthis pinnatifida is scented yet? I realised they give off pleasant fragrance especially on sunny day 8)
Tatsuo-san, fragrance is always a nice bonus! I have never heard that E. pinnatifida has a scent. Would you mind telling me what kind of fragrance it has?
Karl, your Eranthis hyamalis 'Richard Bish' is very pretty! It's sad that the person has passed away, but like Lisa said, it's nice to remember your flower friend.
Dirk, both of your Eranthis are very nice!
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Thank you, Nicole :)
Karl, nice multi-petal with greenish one 8)
Dirk, both of yours are also different to the normal one ;)
Peppa, well… a kind of difficult questions for me describe such unique scent on words…something like mixed flowers with sugar candies ???
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Eranthis stellata 5.3.2012
January 2012 - the temperature of-32C
today-16C
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Eranthis stellata 5.3.2012
January 2012 - the temperature of-32C
today-16C
Nice, are those young plants?
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large flowering plants
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Jan's garden temperatures confirm my own experience here in Iowa, that pinnatifida and stellata are awfully hardy, apparently within certain parameters (I don't know what those parameters are, but we must be within them here as they both grow like little weeds, with the former self-seeding profusely). These pictures were taken after they were buried, in full bloom, twice by heavy, slushy snow with temp. down to -13C:
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beautiful color
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How lucky you are Jan and Don... !
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Just found this thread.
Eranthis hyemalis "Noel Ayres" originates from Anglesey Abbey. I think it is named after a former head gardener there who was the father of another former head gardener, Richard Ayres (who has a snowdrop named after him). As such it is available in the UK from several nurseries.
Why do so few people grow the white forms of Eranthis? If there is one from Siberia it cannot be that they are too tender to grow in Northern Europe. Once established, Erathis hyemalis sets seed very readily and grows like a weed in the UK so why are the other species so rare?
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Wow, even more white types I didn't know about. :o :o Only just found this topic. Very drool-worthy. I love the albino forms of pinnatifida, but like the blue stamens normal one as well. The E. stellata is gorgeous as well.
Don,
They're seeding around like weeds. :o :o :o :o I'm sure there is a lot of the forum who would like some of your weeds. LOL I'm just hoping that my pinnatifida third year seedlings (well they've been through 2 growings seasons so far) come up this year. Fingers crossed.
Now there are more species and forms to try to find..... and of course the pinks. ;D ;D
Thanks everyone. Great to see all thes wonderful posts, even if I'm somewhat late in seeing them and saying thanks. 8)
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Eranthis stellata today
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Beautiful, Jan.
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There really are some exquisite treasures on this thread. I agree with Alan's question,
Why do so few people grow the white forms of Eranthis?.... why are the other species so rare?
Is it simply that we cannot easily get the seed? I grow 'Noel Ayres', 'All Saints' (another double yellow named by John Foster), 'Orange Glow' , 'Pauline' and 'Schwefelglanz' and would love to grow both white and pink forms too, but where are the suppliers?
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Very beautiful eranthis, Jan :o
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Eranthis today
kind regards, Wolfgang
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There really are some exquisite treasures on this thread. I agree with Alan's question,
Why do so few people grow the white forms of Eranthis?.... why are the other species so rare?
Is it simply that we cannot easily get the seed? I ...would love to grow both white and pink forms too, but where are the suppliers?
here in Iowa ... pinnatifida and stellata are awfully hardy...as they both grow like little weeds, with the former self-seeding profusely
Doesn't make sense to me. They don't necessarily seem to be hard to grow, yet they are not for sale.
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the last Eranthis for this spring:
E.hyemalis semi plena,4-years old seedlings, only some plants comes true
E.tubergenii, right is the sterile 'Guinea Gold'
`` left a fertile form with a bit larger flowers
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... right is the sterile 'Guinea Gold'
And further to the right?
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I agree with Brian's suggestion that seed/plants have not been available. I can't imagine they wouldn't have been snapped up quickly if they were listed regularly. I see Jan Jilek lists seed at least for 2012. (I didn't look at the bulb list, it would only have made me snarl and gnash my teeth.)
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... right is the sterile 'Guinea Gold'
And further to the right?
Alan, this is Eranthis hyemalis 'Schwefelglanz' to the end of flowertime.
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Eranthis stellata today
Have you Eranthis sibirica?
Janis
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Eranthis stellata today
Have you Eranthis sibirica?
Janis
I was wondering that too, I don't think anyone grows that species!
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lovely Eranthis photos everyone
now I have to find a white form
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I have become a little hooked on eranthis and want to extend my collection. I read with interest the International rock magazine article on eranthis and discovered there were white ones but where do you find them. So far I can only find the 'common' hyemalis varieties.
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The white eranthis are completely enchanting, to my mind. They are quite tiny and all the lovelier for that.
Ian is showing some in this week's bulb log (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2015Jan281422440758BULB_LOG_0415.pdf) that he is very pleased with - one os flushed pink 8)
Janis Ruksans and Liga Popova in Latvia have got E. pinnatifida and E. stellata listed.
http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/catalogue (http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/catalogue)
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Janis Ruksans and Liga Popova in Latvia have got E. pinnatifida and E. stellata listed.
http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/catalogue (http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/catalogue)
Oh Maggi, now you've told everybody and they'll all want one!
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Too late Alan, I've already seen janis's catalogue and have order E. Pinnatifida ;D along with a few other goodies.
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I got a bogged-down by the complexity of ordering from Janis for the first time. It looks as if I have to pay be cheque (or cash) then wait until August/September - is that correct?
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Hi Alan. unless it has changed Janis' policy has been first time orders are to be paid
before shipment. Established customers pay after receipt of plants and invoice.
Before Janis had problems with a few unsavory new customers who did not pay
even new ones could pay after receipt. Tis the world we live in.
John B
PS. As I am in better circumstances now I am going to send my payment soon.
Janis has been such a great resource for us plant nuts and plantsmen that I want
to help him and Lega all I can.
He usually does ship in July thru August
I got a bogged-down by the complexity of ordering from Janis for the first time. It looks as if I have to pay be cheque (or cash) then wait until August/September - is that correct?
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Hi Alan that's how I read it, don't forget to pre date your cheque so it does not run out he can cash it. It sounds like janis does not cash cheques till he is ready to send the order off, that's how it reads to me unless I have got it wrong?
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Yes, agree with the above comments. I usually receive my excellent bulbs from Janis towards the end of July.
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Janis Ruksans and Liga Popova in Latvia have got E. pinnatifida and E. stellata listed.
http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/catalogue (http://rarebulbs.lv/index.php/en/catalogue)
E. stellata now sold out (what did I tell you, Maggi).