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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: mark smyth on January 22, 2012, 07:12:09 PM
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Just wondering how many available yellows there are out there in snowdrop land
June Boardman
nivalis Ecusson d'Or
nivalis Lady Elphinstone
nivalis Sandersii Group Howick, Flavescens, Lowick, Ray Cobb, ?Ruby’s Gold
plicatus Bill Clark
plicatus Madeline
plicatus Sarah Dumont
plicatus Wandlebury Ring
plicatus Wendy's Gold
Primrose Warburg
Spetchly Yellow
Spindlestone Surprise
and ......?
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June Boardman
Norfolk blonde
madelaine
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Isn't 'Madaleine' more greenish than yellow.......... :-\
Or, as Grandma Clampett might have said.... greenery-yallery?
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Isn't 'Madaleine' more greenish than yellow.......... :-\
Joe Sharman says many yellows are affected by soil type.
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nivalis Ray Cobb
elwesii Carolyn Elwes (RIP my mistake, stolen but still extant)
nivalis Fiona's Gold
Gelbe Marlau
plicatus Gold Edge
Gunter's Geist
Utrecht Goud
Wolfgang's Gold (?)
johnw
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Isn't 'Madaleine' more greenish than yellow.......... :-\
Or, as Grandma Clampett might have said.... greenery-yallery?
Mines very yellow Maggie and in my opinion the best yellow i have, super big flower and large ovary.
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Isn't 'Madaleine' more greenish than yellow.......... :-\
Or, as Grandma Clampett might have said.... greenery-yallery?
Mines very yellow Maggie and in my opinion the best yellow i have, super big flower and large ovary.
Fancy that... I may have got the wrong end of the stick..... it's happened before :-[
edit after checking.... Yes, I got confused... it is 'Yaffle ' that I have been told is more greenery-yallery, not 'Madaleine' - my apologies to dear Madaleine!
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Isn't 'Madaleine' more greenish than yellow.......... :-\
Or, as Grandma Clampett might have said.... greenery-yallery?
Mines very yellow Maggie and in my opinion the best yellow i have, super big flower and large ovary.
Fancy that... I may have got the wrong end of the stick..... it's happened before :-[
No you haven't i was told the same,like Mark says i suppose its down to your conditions.
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see my edit to my post above yours, Davey... it was my mistake :-X ::)
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Windsor Yellow
Sharman's Late
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Windsor Yellow
Sharman's Late
Are these nivalis Brian? I vaguely recall the first name, I wonder who at WGP found it.
johnw
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I got Galanthus nivalis 'Chrome Yellow' from Joe Sharman last year. It is coming up with a flower bud. If the slugs will not eat it, I shall see soon how yellow it will performe in my garden ...
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Hi I can add Sutton Courtney(yellow ovary)Howick Starlight Sandersii Ex Blackthorn Grakes yellow Still have a good one as G nivalis Lutea G sandersii Doddington G sandersii Lowick cheers Ian the Christie kind
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available boys
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Seems to be a lot of yellows - or more or less of that colour - but where do a member outside EEC get one? Without eating porridge the next months?
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Spetchley Yellow.
Plicatus Gold Edge is not yellow, at least those I have from UK sources are not.
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Chrome Yellow is a real colour..... perhaps the 'Windsor Yellow' is really Winsor Yellow, the name of another real artist's pigment ?
edit: Winsor Yellow- pigment as named by firm of Winsor and Newton
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Spetchley Yellow.
Plicatus Gold Edge is not yellow, at least those I have from UK sources are not.
It is shown in Gunter's book as having one very large yellow mark. Wrong plant?
johnw
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Chrome Yellow is a real colour..... perhaps the 'Windsor Yellow' is really Winsor Yellow, the name of another real artist's pigment ?
edit: Winsor Yellow- pigment as named by firm of Winsor and Newton
John Finch or someone in his group posted a photo maybe a year ago from Carolyn Millen's garden - the one on the hill. Can't find it by searching. Was sure he said Windsor but....?
johnw
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It is on page one of last year blog John ( http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6670.0 )
'Elizabeth Harrison'
'Netherhall Yellow'
'Curry' (a new one from Germany last year - and more of a brown colour!)
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Elizabeth Harrison isnt available.
I'm trying to make a list of yellows that are available to buy
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Just wondering how many available yellows there are out there in snowdrop land ...
You started it, Mark; available isn't quite the same as "for sale". Perhaps you should have begun by listing the yellows you know and the name of one or more vendors for each.
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Sandersii ex Cox,ex Windesheim, Kullake, Elles a bit available ;D
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Joe Sharman says many yellows are affected by soil type.
Would some of you elaborate on this comment please? Presumably it is the pH of the soil that affects the yellow colouring and presumably some varieties are more affected than others? So what varieties are a "good yellow" for you (and what are your soil or potting compost conditions like). Similarly for poor coloured yellows.
Finally I get the impression that some of the yellows are quite fussy and difficult to please. Are there any good robust ones that a "newbie" might consider easy?
Many thanks
Chris
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Hi Mark, all G. woronowii Elizabeth Harrison is avalilable but I had so many orders reserved from two years ago that the bulbs are sold out, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Ian - I would suggest you replace @ with AT or something more obscure, posting your e-mail address on public sites is an invitation for spam.
Chris
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I get the impression that some of the yellows are quite fussy and difficult to please. Are there any good robust ones that a "newbie" might consider easy?
I have always found Wendy's Gold to be extremely robust; my first bulb survived being eaten half-away. But others have reported finding it more difficult.
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Just wondering how many available yellows there are out there in snowdrop land
This is as comprehensive a list of yellows, from around the world, as I can put together (but no doubt I have tempted fate by saying this ::)). I would be interested to hear of any errors or omissions.
Audrey Vockins (syn. of Günters Geist?)
Beloglavi
Bill Bishop (Yellow form)
Bill Boardman
Bill Clark
Blonde Inge
Carolyn Elwes
Chadwick’s Cream
Chrome Yellow
Crème Anglaise
Curry (John Finch described it on this thread as ‘more of a brown colour’!)
Daglingworth Yellow (but I think that Alan Street has now withdrawn this one as being the same as ‘Ronald Mackenzie)
Daisy Sunshine
Das Gelbe Vom Ei
Doddington
Ecusson d’Or
Elizabeth Harrison
Elles
Fiona’s Gold
Gelbe Marlu
Gilt Edge
Goldcrest
Golden Boy
Grakes Gold
Grakes Yellow
Günters Geist
Helios
Howick Starlight
Howick Yellow
Ilse Bilse
Janet Apsland
Janet’s Gold
June Boardman
Karla Tausendschön
Kullake
lagodechianus
Lady Elphinstone
Lichtgeel
Madelaine
Netherhall Yellow
Nivalis ex Estonia
Norfolk Blonde
Pale Cross
Pale Face
Primrose Warburg
Ray Cobb
Rheingold
Robert Wijnen
Ronald Mackenzie
Ruby’s Gold
Rumeni A
Rumenoglavi
Sandersii Group
Sandersii Group ‘Flavascens’
Sandersii Group ex Blackthorn
Sandersii Group ex Howick
Sandersii Group ex Lowick
Sandersii Group ex Windesheim
Sarah Dumont
Savill Gold
Schorbuser Irrlicht
Schwefelgeschwafel
Sharman’s Late
Spetchley Yellow
Spindlestone Surprise
The Whin’s Yellow
Treasure Island
Trym (Yellow form)
Utrecht Goud
Wandlebury Ring
Webb’s Gold
Wendy’s Gold
Windsor Yellow
Wisp
Wolfgang’s Gold
Woodpeckers
Zarnikova
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Blimey :o :o :o
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The things dreams are made of. ;D
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Hi Chris, thanks forgot about that you are right always someone watching, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Blimey :o :o :o
I was thinking the same! No idea there were so many.
Thanks for the list, Chris S. 8)
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Just wondering how many available yellows there are out there in snowdrop land
This is as comprehensive a list of yellows, from around the world, as I can put together (but no doubt I have tempted fate by saying this ::)). I would be interested to hear of any errors or omissions.
Sandersii ex-Windesheim
Lichtgeel
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G. nivalis 'Chrome Yellow', listed by Monksilver last year and therefore even available, even if there were just 5 ;D
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SCHORBUSER IRRLICHT ( Gpb BLONDE INGE - type)
DAS GELBE VOM EI ( Gn BLONDE INGE - type)
are coming from the GARTEN IN DEN WIESEN.
Here is ILSE BILSE today.
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Chris,
MÄRZEN`S MAIGRÜN is not yellow.
Maigrün means a green with a hint of yellow. It is the colour of leaves in the early may.
It is a virescens - type.
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Here is ILSE BILSE today.
Lovely snowdrop Hagen.
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Blimey :o :o :o
Double Blimey ;D ;D
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I want Schwefelgeschwafel, just so I can say the name over and over...
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I want Schwefelgeschwafel, just so I can say the name over and over...
At times like this we realise just which forumists have all their own teeth....... ::) ;) ;D
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Many thanks to Steve, Thomas & Hagen and I have now updated the list in my original posting
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I want Schwefelgeschwafel, just so I can say the name over and over...
More than once might be mistaken for angeberisches Geschwafel Anne. ;) Say that 3 times.
johnw
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Are there really two yellows from WGP, Windsor Gold and Savill Gold (actually not found at WGP)?
Both nivalis?
johnw
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Are there really two yellows from WGP, Windsor Gold and Savill Gold?
Both nivalis?
johnw
Perhaps Brian Ellis has some more information about 'Windsor Yellow' ?
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I want Schwefelgeschwafel, just so I can say the name over and over...
At times like this we realise just which forumists have all their own teeth....... ::) ;) ;D
In some cases both their own teeth?
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Perhaps Brian Ellis has some more information about 'Windsor Yellow' ?
No, I don't grow it Chris, but saw it on John's blog last year and made a mental note (fortunately one that remained in my head for once).
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Perhaps Brian Ellis has some more information about 'Windsor Yellow' ?
No, I don't grow it Chris, but saw it on John's blog last year and made a mental note (fortunately one that remained in my head for once).
Thanks Brian - I had quite forgotten that it was on John's blog last year and that he had posted a photo - www.srgc.org.uk/smf/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6670.0;attach=264837;image
I see that John saw this in Carolyn Millen's garden - if you are looking in Carolyn, can you tell us any more about the origins of 'Windsor Yellow'?
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I want Schwefelgeschwafel, just so I can say the name over and over...
More than once might be mistaken for angeberisches Geschwafel Anne. ;) Say that 3 times.
johnw
sophomoric ramblings ? That's bad enough to say in English... and about as confusing!
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Spetchley Yellow.
Plicatus Gold Edge is not yellow, at least those I have from UK sources are not.
It is shown in Gunter's book as having one very large yellow mark. Wrong plant?
johnw
John & John
A great deal of confusion seems to have crept in here – what you refer to are two entirely different snowdrops.
The G. plicatus 'Gold Edge' in 'Snowdrops', which was found by Phil Cornish, has a yellow margin to the leaf edge, but is otherwise green. I believe that this is the plant which Foxgrove Plants were selling in 2007 & 2008 with the description "A variegated form, which seems to be fairly constant and worth growing. Flowers are nicely shaped.” A photo of this is posted on the website that Gunter Waldorf helped to set up at http://galanthus-online.de/kultivare-e-h/gold-edge.html
Unfortunately, in their catalogues, Foxgrove Plants incorrectly named it G. plicatus 'Gilt Edge' so, presumably, there are now a lot of snowdrops circulating under this incorrect name!
I have not seen Gunter's book, but the snowdrop that he has found does indeed have the very nice yellow marks to which you refer. Gunter posted a photo of this snowdrop on the SRGC Forum in January 2010 and the caption to the photo was ‘Gilt Edge’ http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=4674.msg133288#msg133288 and there was some ensuing discussion about whether or not this was a plicatus and whether the name ‘Gilt Edge’ was available.
Gunter very kindly sent me a bulb of this form, under the name ‘Gilt Edge’ and this is how I have listed it on my list of yellows on this thread.
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Chris - So Foxgrove renamed their plant 'Gold Edge' to 'Gilt Edge' and Gunter reanmed his 'Gold Edge' 'Gilt Edge'.
Ah the snowdrop world. ::)
johnw
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John, I think what Chris is saying is Gunter always called his find Gilt Edge and it was Foxgroves who sold Gold Edge wrongly named as Gilt Edge. So two entirely different snowdrops are in circulation with the same name of Gilt Edge, one being correct ( found by Gunter) and one being incorrect (found by Phil). All very confusing, but just goes to show how easliy these mistakes can happen.
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Sean - But Gunter has his Gilt Edge in his book as Gold Edge. Might be a slip of the pen.
johnw
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Sean - But Gunter has his Gilt Edge in his book as Gold Edge. Might be a slip of the pen.
johnw
Ah I see, right I'm off for a lie down in a darkened room ???
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Sean - But Gunter has his Gilt Edge in his book as Gold Edge. Might be a slip of the pen.
johnw
Ah I see, right I'm off for a lie down in a darkened room ???
Is there room there for another, Sean? :-\
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ay the name over and over...
More than once might be mistaken for angeberisches Geschwafel Anne. ;) Say that 3 times.johnw[/quote]
sophomoric ramblings ? That's bad enough to say in English... and about as confusing! [/quote]
How about "high-faluting talk" Maggi?
The snowdrop "Schwefelgeschwafel" by online translator is Sulphur Twaddle.
johnw
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High-falutin' talk is much easier to say, for sure...... Any way you slice it!
I love the idea of 'Sulphur Twaddle' .... can just picture introducing a visitor to the little clump.... "that's pretty" .... "yes, it's 'Sulphur Twaddle' " :D
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Someone with a sense of humour? ::) All that glisters ................
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High-falutin' talk is much easier to say, for sure...... Any way you slice it!
I love the idea of 'Sulphur Twaddle' .... can just picture introducing a visitor to the little clump.... "that's pretty" .... "yes, it's 'Sulphur Twaddle' " :D
Oh, yes - almost as good as the German. :D
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When I drew up my list of yellows, I had quite forgotten G. nivalis 'Goldcrest' (which I have now added to that list) ::)
For those that do not know this newer discovery, I repeat below the brief report by Alan Leslie in the 2003/4 RHS Daffodil, Snowdrop & Tulip Yearbook viz
“For the golden galanthophile addict the best news of the day was the report of another nivalis with gold marks on the tips of the outer segments. This plant came to light in a garden near Thetford, Norfolk, and is to be named ‘Goldcrest’.”
I understand that 'Goldcrest' has been successfully twin-scaled, but I suspect that it will be a while yet before it starts to become available.
I am sure that I must have missed others off my List of Yellows, so please do let me know if you think of one :)
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Apparently, at his talk today at the Blacksmith's Cottage Nursery snowdrop event, Joe Sharman mentioned 'Treasure Island', described as a really good mighty atom type but beautiful strong yellow - I have added this to the list of yellows above