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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: johnw on January 21, 2012, 07:47:56 PM
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I was hoping 'Ketton' was a late-riser. The Bible makes no mention of it being late and says of it "amiable nature, growing and flourishing where more fickle clones would dwindle". Therefore the first no-show of the season and my second attempt at this one. An unknown (several pots of the same clone) seems to be the second fatality of the season and nivalis 'Warei' the third.
johnw
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My condolences on your loss! :-[ I hate to admit it but I have no Galanthus so thus I have yet to have any to mourn. (I will remedy the situation shortly).
Julie
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Are you sure they're dead?
My snowdrops are really late this year, except for reginae-olgae which was on time.
G elwesii hiemalis which usually blooms at the beginning of December is about 4 cm
out of the ground.
Even ones in pots in the unheated greenhouse are showing buds but no open flowers
yet.
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Are you sure they're dead?
My snowdrops are really late this year, except for reginae-olgae which was on time.
G elwesii hiemalis which usually blooms at the beginning of December is about 4 cm
out of the ground.
Even ones in pots in the unheated greenhouse are showing buds but no open flowers
yet.
Diane - All the others in the greenhouse are up, many ready to open given a day of sun. I dug down a bit and not a sign of activity. I had a note on the Warei label "not looking good" and I recvall it was in a slide but the Ketton was fine when transplanted.
Does your Cambridge flower right on through the winter there? I am surprised it has not been damaged by the few cold nights to date.
I've just heard the Rhododendron Species Foundation in Federal Way, Washington had all the trees flattened in an ice storm. Hope things will be okay but the damage to the garden must be tremendous.
johnw
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I would have thought keeping them in a greenhouse means you cant go by late / early / mid season anymore
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Latest report on the RSF damage, many ornamental trees damaged, cool house flattened, widow-makers in the native trees. Not quite as severe as originally reported but to loose all the Stewartias is a severe blow.
Mark - In the greenhouse there is the normal succession of emergence. The flowering of mid-season ones is so compressed it is very difficult to sort out who was first and who was last. At this point according to my recordsall but caucasicus should be up.
johnw
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At last year's bulb sale I bought a 'Trymlet' and a 'Trumps'.
The 'Trumps' grew well and is now in flower. Of the 'Trymlet' there was no sign.
I have just emptied the pot to find that my 'Trymlet' came with a narcissus fly grub :o :( :o - there is only a carcase left.
My first loss of 2012 and I hope the last.
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All my David Shackleton c.10 and all Alison Hilary, 12, have failed to emerge :'(.
"True" nivalis Flavescens, very yellow and bright, isnt up.
Blond Inge are a no show.
3 different yellows have failed to come up.
and ... and ... and ...
Makes me wonder if they were too wet last summer
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Oh Mark, I believe you are weeping big tears.
And of course GREEN TEARS.
It is no real help to you.
But my loss this winter is also huge.
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Makes me wonder if they were too wet last summer
Quite a few of my snowdrops (and all my 'Early Sensation' daffodils) are not flowering this year. I'm pretty sure this is because they were too dry last spring (we had no rain in March and April). Maybe if you moved east, Mark, and I moved west we could find somewhere in the middle that gets the right amount of rainfall.
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All my David Shackleton c.10 and all Alison Hilary, 12, have failed to emerge :'(.
"True" nivalis Flavescens, very yellow and bright, isnt up.
Blond Inge are a no show.
3 different yellows have failed to come up.
and ... and ... and ...
Makes me wonder if they were too wet last summer
My blonde ing hasn't shown itself either ? :'(
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tried blond inge several times & it never reappeared after planting, wouldn't bother again.
apart from Washfield Colesbourne being reduced to a dry husk >:( don't think I'm missing anything else, a clump of Diggory that looked a bit sulky last year looks very healthy today, even Wendy's Gold has a few extra flowers.
my Ketton are only just poking through, they're planted on a large bank with quite a lot of different ones and seem to be latest...
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I've found Washfield Colesbourne (while a lovely snowdodrop when doing well) to be very prone to disease and requiring regular chipping to keep it going.
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thanks for that, I have a second little clump that I'll think about chipping, would hate to lose it.
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]My blonde ing hasn't shown itself either ? :'(
Mine showed itself to be a nivalis Flore-Plena last year. A trade...........
johnw
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my Ketton are only just poking through, they're planted on a large bank with quite a lot of different ones and seem to be latest...
Richard - I will poke about some more.
johnw
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My definite losses so far are
Three Ships (had a second pot)
Angelique
Ketton (had a second pot)
No Shows - 24 at the moment.....
June Boardman - had this 3 years and it always remained one bulb
Modern Art (have a second pot) - showing through
Kildare - showing through
Bertram Anderson
Tubby Merlin - got the lattice pot out...and it is alive!
Snow White - ROTTED AWAYApril Fool
H Purcell - alive
George Chiswell - showing through
Ivy Cottage Corporal - cannot find yet
and the list goes on......
have marked them all and will check from time to time....and hope :) In a week I will remove the ones in pots and investigate - or should I do it sooner?
Jennie
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Ouch Jennie,
Hopefully all are not losses but time will tell.
I must admit I've already checked on my no shows growing (or not) in pots and my worse fears were realised.
I haven't checked the ones not showing in the garden yet as these can tend to be a little later than my pot growing ones (probably because I plant them quite deep).
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so many losses Jenny...sad
about H Purcell,I tried this one 3 times,the rotten thing died always the next year.
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Jennie - Sorry to hear about your possible losses. Keep your fingers crossed.
In Excel I've kept a running tally over the years of varieties by pot that have passed on, some were duplicates, many not - lines 451 to 540. :(
SRGC seeds arrived yesterday. ;D
johnw - +10c and raining.
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Jennie - Sorry to hear about your possible losses. Keep your fingers crossed.
In Excel I've kept a running tally over the years of varieties by pot that have passed on, some were duplicates, many not - lines 451 to 540. :(
johnw - +10c and raining.
I am really hoping that many will show through yet - I really did try to do everything right in the two new beds and that is where most of the losses are. I am wondering if they were too dry in the summer....but I thought they needed dry summer dormancy. I did water the beds a few times to keep the Hellebores, Hacqueta, Ferns and Brunnera alive that are planted with them.
I must do an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of everything. When it comes to elwesii, plicatus and nivalis named snowdrops do you list by name with ie. elwesii after the name or just list by groups with elwesii in front of the name? Does that make sense? :) I will try to start it tonight.
My swathes of nivalis in the ground in the woodlands that have been there years are now just showing their tips above ground. So we are quite far behind here.
Jennie
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Jennie
There is plenty of reportage of snowdrops that "disappear" for a year and then return. Obviously not big clumps in one go. If it happens to me I wait that year, meanwhile picking up a fresh bulb of that variety if I can do so at reasonable cost.
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Jennie
I have dozens of varieties yet to appear - and I know they will.
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There is plenty of reportage of snowdrops that "disappear" for a year and then return.
When transplanting snowdrops in the green I occasionally find a bulb that has not produced any shoots (or roots either, I think). Whether it ever does again I'm not so sure.
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Jennie
I have dozens of varieties yet to appear - and I know they will.
That is a great consolation Steve. Of the ones that are not up by the time I go to Vincent Square - I will look out for replacements if the price is right.
Alan - I have had several bulbs that never made roots or shoots and just sat there and presumably eventually rotted, or they may one day surprise me and reappear though I doubt it.
I feel able to cope with the losses more this year than last year and thankfully most of my really special ones are ok for this year anyway ;)
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Some varieties are so difficult to grow so success with one is so much sweeter. In 2007 I had Savill Gold from one of the few growers. It declined to appear in the Spring. Did the same in 2008. In 2009 I grovelled (hard) and got a third bulb. It sulked and got Stag. I dug it up, removed all traces of Stag by peeling the bulb back to a central stalk, and interred it with a prayer. In 2011 three wispy leaflets arose like first year twinscales. This year the three look less like wisps and one has a FLOWER!
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Some varieties are so difficult to grow so success with one is so much sweeter. In 2007 I had Savill Gold from one of the few growers. It declined to appear in the Spring. Did the same in 2008. In 2009 I grovelled (hard) and got a third bulb. It sulked and got Stag. I dug it up, removed all traces of Stag by peeling the bulb back to a central stalk, and interred it with a prayer. In 2011 three wispy leaflets arose like first year twinscales. This year the three look less like wisps and one has a FLOWER!
Ian has been addressing this sort of thing, from a different angle: the survival of "stripped" bulbs, in this week's Bulb Log .... that lad must be psychic ;)
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2012Feb011328099277BULB_LOG_0512.pdf
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Some varieties are so difficult to grow so success with one is so much sweeter. In 2007 I had Savill Gold from one of the few growers. It declined to appear in the Spring. Did the same in 2008. In 2009 I grovelled (hard) and got a third bulb. It sulked and got Stag. I dug it up, removed all traces of Stag by peeling the bulb back to a central stalk, and interred it with a prayer. In 2011 three wispy leaflets arose like first year twinscales. This year the three look less like wisps and one has a FLOWER!
Congratulations Steve ;D
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Makes me wonder if they were too wet last summer
[/quote]My blonde ing hasn't shown itself either ? :'(
Thats interesting! I lost Blonde Inge, too, and I had two bulbs in two different spots!
Martina
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Martina
No sign yet of my two pots of Blonde Inge either, but there are too many in each pot for them not to appear. Hang on in there!
Steve
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Dear Steve,
so at last there is hope, thaks for your comfort, I won't take the "lable" off the spot!
Martina
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I must do an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of everything. When it comes to elwesii, plicatus and nivalis named snowdrops do you list by name with ie. elwesii after the name or just list by groups with elwesii in front of the name? Does that make sense? :) I will try to start it tonight.Jennie
Apologies, Jennie I missed this question. Here's a sample row. In the first example Plant# is the column header with 74 under in the row and so on. All column headers in bold, rows entries not in bold.
Plant # (only one number for the same variety but recorded separately in a different row for each source of the same variety. same number for same variety sent by same donor at a different time)
74
Description (would be simpler if Genus,species, var., ssp., Group were in spearate columns for search purposes)
Galanthus lagodechianus (nivalis group)
Pot number (there will be data for all the years since receipt - 1990 to 2012 in this case - in separate columns - now hidden)
1
Size Pot 2012
4" DEEP to TALL (in 2012 column I see I transplanted them from a 4" deep to a larger TALL pot)
next row down might be POT#2 of same from same source in same year and so on
Bulb Count in that pot / that year
8
Size of bulb yr 2012
6 large / 2 small
Pot Location 2012
coldframe #1
Original Source
D.Armstrong
Date Received
7 Sept 1990
Notes
look healthy
Notes 2012 next column
Discovered Don received this from Thelma Chapman 1992 ex Broadleigh Gardens 1984
Notes 2012 next column
received as kemulariae etc. etc.
Recipients
sent to P. Frost 1 Oct 2009
If thoroughly confused I can send ansample excel sheet to you. Perhaps others can recommend other data that should be recorded. Note your label should record, name, donor, date, pot# (1 of 3 pots) and a brief note. Back-up - write the same info on the pot in case label disappears.
Remarkably easy to botch the job but not too difficult to straighten out later! It would be interesting to hear what Chris and Steve record.
johnw
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Martina and Steve, I don't want to worry you but my Blonde Inge's are all up (but never very Blonde!)
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Brian
You don't.
Steve
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I must do an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of everything. When it comes to elwesii, plicatus and nivalis named snowdrops do you list by name with ie. elwesii after the name or just list by groups with elwesii in front of the name? Does that make sense? :) I will try to start it tonight.Jennie
Apologies, Jennie I missed this question. Here's a sample row. In the first example Plant# is the column header with 74 under in the row and so on. All column headers in bold, rows entries not in bold.
Description (would be simpler if Genus,species, var., ssp., Group were in spearate columns for search purposes)
Galanthus lagodechianus (nivalis group)
Remarkably easy to botch the job but not too difficult to straighten out later! It would be interesting to hear what Chris and Steve record.
johnw
Thanks for that John. I have infact started it after doing a crash course online to learn Microsoft 10. I have more or less done as you described but I never made another column for species, var, ssp etc - I will add one. I intend to try and have a bulb count every year and record it. I think I should probably add a PROBLEMS column as well !
I am glad I kept meticulous notes of every purchase but failed to count the bulbs I started with. I will certainly do that from now on.
many thanks for your help
Jennie
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Martina and Steve, I don't want to worry you but my Blonde Inge's are all up (but never very Blonde!)
Mine are only mm's out of the ground.
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It looks as though my G artjushenkoae seedlings might be gone. There is
a cup-sized hole in the bed where I planted them. Hopefully the squirrel
scattered the little bulbs while it was digging and didn't eat them.
Usually the squirrels carefully insert walnuts into my flower pots and do it
without destroying what is in the pots. A raised bed gives them more space
for their excavations.
(These are not our shy deep woods native squirrels, but the gray menace
from the East that an idiot let loose on Vancouver Island.)
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Thanks for that John. I have infact started it after doing a crash course on line to learn Microsoft 10. I have more or less done as you described but I never made another column for species, var, ssp etc - I will add one. I intend to try and have a bulb count every year and record it. I think I should probably add a PROBLEMS column as well !
I am glad I kept meticulous notes of every purchase but failed to count the bulbs I started with. I will certainly do that from now on.
many thanks for your help
Jennie
Jennie, you might want to include date appeared and/or date of flowering each year. That may save you some anxiety in future years. ;D ;D ;D
Pleased to see some of your "no shows" are eventually appearing. A few of mine are still to appear but fingers crossed they will get there in the end.
Chris
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Thanks for that John. I have infact started it after doing a crash course on line to learn Microsoft 10. I have more or less done as you described but I never made another column for species, var, ssp etc - I will add one. I intend to try and have a bulb count every year and record it. I think I should probably add a PROBLEMS column as well !
I am glad I kept meticulous notes of every purchase but failed to count the bulbs I started with. I will certainly do that from now on.
many thanks for your help
Jennie
Jennie, you might want to include date appeared and/or date of flowering each year. That may save you some anxiety in future years. ;D ;D ;D
Chris
Good idea Chris - thanks. Even if I put early/mid/late and very late it would help.
Jennie
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Martina and Steve, I don't want to worry you but my Blonde Inge's are all up (but never very Blonde!)
Brian didn't i send you a blonde inge,i can promise you it is 100% right i bought it from Gil Richardson(i hope i have spelt Gils name right) last year and the flowered as they should.
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Yes, thank you Davey you did, it's not as advanced as the ones in the ground that aren't blonde! I am looking forward to seeing it flower. Cheers
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Going through my records just now I see my Ecusson d'Or, or is it D'Or, failed to come up in 2010 and 2011. There is always hope!
Fingers crosses for Floccon de Neige
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Mark, I only learned a little french, but. I think it is Ecusson d' Or.
Lina.
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Mark, I only learned a little french, but. I think it is Ecusson d' Or.Lina.
Certainly should be d'Or but maybe Goldwappen is better. ;)