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General Subjects => General Forum => Topic started by: zvone on January 20, 2012, 05:25:01 PM
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Hi!
In my garden blooms wonderful Hemamelis Virginiana!
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-7F-GuZ6kPow/Txmh92QncUI/AAAAAAAAEHM/6RL-7VNPxXM/s512/hemamelis-1.jpg)
Recommend!
Best regards! Zvone
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Nice flowers but are you sure it is virginiana? As far as I know virginiana blooms in the fall.
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Not sure which it might be... but the witch hazels are a joy.
Renamed thread!
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Chris Lane's book says H. virginiana flowers in Autumn and describes the species as being yellow flowered. There are a lot of different forms of H. mollis, japonica and vernalis and hybrids between them. We are lucky that they like our garden and we have about 6 different ones.
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Hi Maggi, Hoy and Palustris!
Hamamelis rules blooms within time of winter (February) and is first flower and the presenter of spring.
I tolerate, that is on picture Hamamelis x intermedia "of Diana" (?)
Maggi!
But the witch hazels are a joy!
Yes!
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-u1k8Ahagoq4/Txmh-_lGsTI/AAAAAAAAEHQ/pyNymXtpoMg/s640/hemamamelis-2.jpg)
Best regards! Zvone
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H. virginiana is native here. One can walk right past it in late autumn without noticing it in flower, may be a faint whiff of perfume. I have yet to a see a showy one live. Harvest Moon is said to be showy.
johnw
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Hi Maggi, Hoy and Palustris!
Hamamelis rules blooms within time of winter (February) and is first flower and the presenter of spring.
I tolerate, that is on picture Hamamelis x intermedia "of Diana" (?)
Maggi!
But the witch hazels are a joy!
Yes!
Best regards! Zvone
I agree to that! I have only one at the moment ('Pallida') and it is in flower now! I intend to plant more ;)
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I like them very much... but, though slow growing, they can take a lot of space in a small garden.
They are very expensive to buy .... I was lucky to get mine as young plants for £2.50 each in the closing down sale of a local nursery ( not lucky for the nursery of course :'( ) The nursery was taken over by a big firm who were not interested in all the locally grown plants the place had, so all were sold off.
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Yes, they're expensive and it's therefore I have bought other plants, like 3 rhodos in stead of 1 witch hazel ::)
BTW I once read that witch in witch hazel isn't a hex but a corruption of an old word meaning flexible - I have forgotten the word though.
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Yes, they're expensive and it's therefore I have bought other plants, like 3 rhodos in stead of 1 witch hazel ::)
BTW I once read that witch in witch hazel isn't a hex but a corrumption of an old word meaning flexible - I have forgotten the word though.
Hoy
From the Oxford online dictionary
Origin:
early 17th century: wych, used in names of trees with pliant branches, from Old English wic(e), apparently from a Germanic root meaning 'bend'; related to weak
Now what that Germanic root is I have no idea. ::)
johnw
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H. virginiana is native here. One can walk right past it in late autumn without noticing it in flower, may be a faint whiff of perfume. I have yet to a see a showy one live. Harvest Moon is said to be showy.
johnw
Given a little more sun than what they usually get in the wild, the straight species can be very nice.
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Very nice Rick!
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Chris Lane's book says H. virginiana flowers in Autumn and describes the species as being yellow flowered. There are a lot of different forms of H. mollis, japonica and vernalis and hybrids between them. We are lucky that they like our garden and we have about 6 different ones.
Yes. This is true H. virginiana flowering in autumn.
(http://cs1618.vkontakte.ru/u6450879/95825191/x_fb5ec1ed.jpg)
It's a real big shrub here looking like hazel.
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Yes, they're expensive and it's therefore I have bought other plants, like 3 rhodos in stead of 1 witch hazel ::)
BTW I once read that witch in witch hazel isn't a hex but a corruption of an old word meaning flexible - I have forgotten the word though.
Hoy
From the Oxford online dictionary
Origin:
early 17th century: wych, used in names of trees with pliant branches, from Old English wic(e), apparently from a Germanic root meaning 'bend'; related to weak
Now what that Germanic root is I have no idea. ::)
johnw
Thank you John!
I found the rest: (http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=weak)
weak: c.1300, from O.N. (Old Norse) veikr "weak," cognate with O.E. (Old English) wac "weak, pliant, soft," from P.Gmc. (Proto Germanic) *waikwaz "yield," *wikanan "bend" from PIE (Proto Indoeuropean) base *weik- "to bend, wind". We still say veik in Norwegian meaning "weak".
Is witch hazel weak? ???
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H. virginiana is native here. One can walk right past it in late autumn without noticing it in flower, may be a faint whiff of perfume. I have yet to a see a showy one live. Harvest Moon is said to be showy.
johnw
Given a little more sun than what they usually get in the wild, the straight species can be very nice.
Rick, very nice! When did you picture the blooming?
Olga, is your picture taken today?
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Having just read the book again (Thank you Zvone for making me look), I see that there are supposed to be black flowered forms of H. intermedia. Our darkest one is Amethyst which is purple. Not got a picture of it as a rabbit ate it down to a stump last year and it is only just recovering.
The shrubs are very expensive. We were lucky and got ours as small specimens in the sales at Bridgemere a few years back. Even then they were not as cheap as other things in the sale.
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Olga, is your picture taken today?
No. :) October, 6, 2009.
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The long feathery flowers of H. virginiana are most attractive.
Eric, the idea of a purple one seems very tempting- I've never seen such a thing but I'll be on the lookout now...... good luck with its recovery post rabbit attack.
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Thanks, the shrub has 2 flowers on it this year. Actually the rabbit in question was the cause of the removal of the Heather Garden and the construction of another Crevice Garden and an attempt at an Alpine Lawn.
Just been out looking and Amethyst is the only one in flower, the others have buds though.
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Shockingly good virginianas all. I have quite a few growing in full sun and have no recollection of them in flower. Full sun may be a bit of a stretch in the fog zone.
johnw
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The long feathery flowers of H. virginiana are most attractive.
Eric, the idea of a purple one seems very tempting- I've never seen such a thing but I'll be on the lookout now...... good luck with its recovery post rabbit attack.
Here are pictures of H. virginiana in our garden - http://tinyurl.com/7nlspmm. Sorry I don't have a picture of the whole shrub - I didn't have the right lens at the time.
A question/observation. We have about a dozen to 15 witchhazels in the garden and they always flower beautifully. I noticed in the late fall that some but not all had few flower buds this year. A couple had none at all, instead of thousands. Did anyone, especially in eastern NA, notice the same thing - was there some quirk in the weather that messed with flower bud set? We did transition from a hot and dry late spring/early summer into a record wet late summer and fall/early winter.
Thanks,
J.
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A link to an image of Hamamelis vernalis "Amethyst"; https://id3487.securedata.net/fantasticplants/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Hamamelis%20vernalis%20%27Amethyst%27.jpg (https://id3487.securedata.net/fantasticplants/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Hamamelis%20vernalis%20%27Amethyst%27.jpg)
John,
I've noticed the same thing down here. I had good flowering last year and so did the native virginiana, but nothing in the wild and only a few flowers on intermedia that already opened and passed. Even vernalis has only a few buds.
Aaron
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A link to an image of Hamamelis vernalis "Amethyst"; https://id3487.securedata.net/fantasticplants/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Hamamelis%20vernalis%20%27Amethyst%27.jpg (https://id3487.securedata.net/fantasticplants/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Hamamelis%20vernalis%20%27Amethyst%27.jpg)
Aaron
Very nice look to that. Thanks.
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A link to an image of Hamamelis vernalis "Amethyst"; https://id3487.securedata.net/fantasticplants/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Hamamelis%20vernalis%20%27Amethyst%27.jpg (https://id3487.securedata.net/fantasticplants/Merchant2/graphics/00000001/Hamamelis%20vernalis%20%27Amethyst%27.jpg)
John,
I've noticed the same thing down here. I had good flowering last year and so did the native virginiana, but nothing in the wild and only a few flowers on intermedia that already opened and passed. Even vernalis has only a few buds.
Aaron
Never seen 'Amethyst' before. Now I want it in my woodland ;)
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Thanks for the link to Amethyst. Glad to say that ours looks the same colour as that, well the two flowers do.
The National Collection of Hamamelis is not far from us in Albrighton, home of David Austin Roses, but it is only open one weekend under the NGS and we keep missing it.
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Following a link to a newspaper article in another thread, I got sidetracked and came upon this....
Withc Haxels..... Witch Hazels, even!
Pat Edwards
Swallow Hayes, Rectory Road, Albrighton, W. Midlands
The collection is open January 29 from 10am to dusk, with plants and soup for sale. Entry £4. Visits also by appointment (01902 372624)
Sir Harold Hillier Gardens
Jermyns Lane, Ampfield, Romsey, Hants (01794 368787; hants.gov.uk/hilliergardens)
Witch Hazel Nursery
The Granary, Cranbrook Farm, Callaways Lane, Newington, Sittingbourne, Kent (01795 843098; witchhazelnursery.com)
The nursery is wholesale only, but the collection is open Jan 22 and Feb 5, 10am-4pm. Owner Chris Lane wrote the definitive book on hamamelis (Witch Hazels, Timber Press, £25
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Hi!
Thank you all for top information.
For acknowledgement send one warmly Hamamelis heart from my garden( filmed 17.1.2012)
(https://lh3.googleusercontent.com/-wGR8qqWA0YI/TxSRhGMyITI/AAAAAAAAEGY/IbVGzSZF9s4/s640/nep-jan-12.jpg)
Best regards! zvone
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And they say it is in every Slovenian...
Wonderful photograph, zvone!
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Trond,
The three photos of H. virginiana were taken in November. The shrubs begins bloom in October, before the leaves finish falling, and continue until temperatures go below about -7C (20F). When the thermometer reads between -2 and -7C (28-20F), flowers shrivel, but rehydrate when the temperature warms.
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'Jelena' at a friend's started to open last week. Apparently all her witch-hazels are budded as usual. She sees no decrease in budding which is surprising given the severe lack of sun this past year.
johnw
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Trond,
The three photos of H. virginiana were taken in November. The shrubs begins bloom in October, before the leaves finish falling, and continue until temperatures go below about -7C (20F). When the thermometer reads between -2 and -7C (28-20F), flowers shrivel, but rehydrate when the temperature warms.
Thank you Rick. I assumed they were taken in fall. Actually I have one H. virginiana in my garden but it has not flowered yet. I am looking forward to that, of course ;)
Olga, is your picture taken today?
No. :) October, 6, 2009.
Thanks 8) Wasn't that early for that one?
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Thanks 8) Wasn't that early for that one?
I don't know. 8) It's not mine. Mine is a very young rooted cutting. It's photographed in Moscow botanic garden. Usually autumn hamamelises blooms in November sometimes earlier or later. I don't like Hamamelis virginiana because most of trees blooms with leaves not fallen yet. My favorite is H. vernalis which starts to bloom in the end of February. Flowering shrub in snowdrifts feels like real magic.
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About costs.
I bought one Hamamelis from Esveld nursery
http://www.esveld.nl/planten.php?categorie=heesters&letter=h&group=hamamelis&ppagina=1
It was not more expensive than most of other plants. Unfortunately I received another plant. :-\ Instead of ruby kind of H. vernalis I received yellow flowered H. x intermedia which is not hardy enough here.
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About costs.
I bought one Hamamelis from Esveld nursery
http://www.esveld.nl/planten.php?categorie=heesters&letter=h&group=hamamelis&ppagina=1
It was not more expensive than most of other plants. Unfortunately I received another plant. :-\ Instead of ruby kind of H. vernalis I received yellow flowered H. x intermedia which is not hardy enough here.
That was a blow!
They are hardy here though and has started flowering. This picture is from today and we have dry, easterly breeze which gives us freezing temperature. I think it is H. 'Pallida'.
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About costs.
I bought one Hamamelis from Esveld nursery
http://www.esveld.nl/planten.php?categorie=heesters&letter=h&group=hamamelis&ppagina=1
It was not more expensive than most of other plants. Unfortunately I received another plant. :-\ Instead of ruby kind of H. vernalis I received yellow flowered H. x intermedia which is not hardy enough here.
Olga - If you like vernalis then you shoulkd also try H. vernalis 'Lombart's Weeping'. It is very difficult to place and not the showiest but if you have a high wall that you could plant it atop and then could walk through the flowers.
johnw
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Olga
Do you find any other Hamamelis than virginiana and vernalis that are hardy enough for Moscow? I have only virginiana and it is nice except that the smell prevents me from taking any twig indoors. I would like to have a scented alternative
Göte
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And they say it is in every Slovenian...
Wonderful photograph, zvone!
Thanks Rick!
(https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-rt34UrTb2cg/TxxSIvD5aII/AAAAAAAAEHo/b8iCtB2BNds/s512/slike-irma-dec-2011%252520052.jpg)
Best regards! Zvone
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Olga - If you like vernalis then you shoulkd also try H. vernalis 'Lombart's Weeping'. It is very difficult to place and not the showiest but if you have a high wall that you could plant it atop and then could walk through the flowers.
Thank you John! It's a very good idea. I don't have high wall but I have a high hill where I planted already some pendulous trees. It could be a problem to find that kind of H. vernalis.
Göte, witch hazels are very rare here. I don't know anybody grow them. Only botanic gardens. According to their experience only species H. virginiana and H. vernalis are hardy here. They even produce fertile seeds. No any data on garden kinds. My plants are too young. Small H. virginiana and H. vernalis grows well but the one I received from Esveld suffers from frost every winter.
I like their smell. :) May be this time of year any flower smell is a miracle even if it's strange. :)
Zvone, thanks for fresh images! You bring me a spring when -20C.
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Zvone, thanks for fresh images! You bring me a spring when -20C.
Thanks Olga!
I am glad, that he is such!
But I am an amateur in comparison to you. Every your photograph is work of art.
Really thank you for your wonderful photographs.
Best regards! Zvone
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Göte, witch hazels are very rare here. I don't know anybody grow them. Only botanic gardens. According to their experience only species H. virginiana and H. vernalis are hardy here. They even produce fertile seeds. No any data on garden kinds. My plants are too young. Small H. virginiana and H. vernalis grows well but the one I received from Esveld suffers from frost every winter.
I like their smell. :) May be this time of year any flower smell is a miracle even if it's strange. :)
Thank you Olga,
It is a pity that they are not hardier. I will try to plant vernalis in the spring I have found a source here in Sweden.
Göte
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Göte, witch hazels are very rare here. I don't know anybody grow them. Only botanic gardens. According to their experience only species H. virginiana and H. vernalis are hardy here. They even produce fertile seeds. No any data on garden kinds. My plants are too young. Small H. virginiana and H. vernalis grows well but the one I received from Esveld suffers from frost every winter.
I like their smell. :) May be this time of year any flower smell is a miracle even if it's strange. :)
Thank you Olga,
It is a pity that they are not hardier. I will try to plant vernalis in the spring I have found a source here in Sweden.
Göte
Hi Gote!
Hamamelis in my garden blooms to rules within time of winter (February). Of lowest temperature are occasionally also - 15 C or still any more. Of snow is also to 0.5 metre, sometimes any more, sometimes less.
Of course wonderful bush, that winter atmosphere makes nicer to you on garden.
Best regards! Zvone
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Göte - Have you tried Arnold Promise, many in Canada say it is the toughest one. Jelena is almost out here. With tonight's heavy rain and tomorrow's +10c I'm sure it will be full out in short order. Quite late this year for some strange reason.
johnw
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Göte,
Hamamelis virginiana is strange for several reasons. In the north (and sometimes in cultivation) it apparently has a sweet scent that is akin to the Asian species or even vernalis which is very sweet. The southern forms (often a different name) and west into the Ozarks are scented more like a sea water ??? I find this curious and would think that they attract different pollinators. There is a minute amount of genetic evidence that shows virginiana might be two species. One would need many samples and up-to-date genetics to really determine that. Still waiting to see some genetic evidence supporting H. ovalis.
Aaron
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Arnold Promise (H. x intermedia) has been very hardy for 25 years at our Minnesota Arboretum in Zone 4a. I can remember only once when blooming failed: there was a record low temperature of -38F (-39C) that winter.
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Thank you Rick and John! I will look for it too. What is the difference from species witch hazels? Smell?
When I looked for images of Arnold Promise found some Diane pictures. It's the reddest of the red!
(http://www.gardenoasis.co.uk/images/Flora_Direct/Shrubs/Hamamelis_Diana.jpg)
From http://www.gardenoasis.co.uk/hamamelis-diana-pr-1132.html
Is there any red hamamelis hardy enough in my climate? ???
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Göte - Have you tried Arnold Promise, many in Canada say it is the toughest one. Jelena is almost out here. With tonight's heavy rain and tomorrow's +10c I'm sure it will be full out in short order. Quite late this year for some strange reason.
johnw
Thank you for the tip John! I will search for it but it might be unavailable in the EU.
Göte
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Göte,
Hamamelis virginiana is strange for several reasons. In the north (and sometimes in cultivation) it apparently has a sweet scent that is akin to the Asian species or even vernalis which is very sweet. The southern forms (often a different name) and west into the Ozarks are scented more like a sea water ??? I find this curious and would think that they attract different pollinators. There is a minute amount of genetic evidence that shows virginiana might be two species. One would need many samples and up-to-date genetics to really determine that. Still waiting to see some genetic evidence supporting H. ovalis.
Aaron
Thank you Aaron,
That explains why Olga finds it fragrant and I find it smelly. Now it becomes really difficult. How can I know which one I find in the nursery? Many nurseries are closed at the time H.v. is in flower.
Göte