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Title: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: Magnar on January 20, 2012, 05:23:56 PM: I was sent these seeds marked Allium sp ex JJA 17537. Amankutan, nr. Seravshan, Samarkand, Uzbekistan 1700m.

Does anybody know if this one has been identified, would love to have a name.
Title: Re: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: WimB on January 20, 2012, 06:30:55 PM: Magnar,

In the Buried Promises list of Bob and Rannveig Wallis, it says "This may be A. protensum or A. sarawschanicum" but no certain name.
Title: Re: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: David Nicholson on January 20, 2012, 06:33:29 PM: Quote from: WimB on January 20, 2012, 06:30:55 PM

In the Buried Promises list of Bob and Rannveig Wallises........

It's "Buried Treasures" Wim
Title: Re: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: WimB on January 20, 2012, 06:34:47 PM: Quote from: David Nicholson on January 20, 2012, 06:33:29 PM
Quote from: WimB on January 20, 2012, 06:30:55 PM

In the Buried Promises list of Bob and Rannveig Wallis........

It's "Buried Treasures" Wim

It was on their first seedlist, called "Buried Promises" ;)
Title: Re: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: David Nicholson on January 20, 2012, 06:36:15 PM: Sorry Wim.
Title: Re: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: Magnar on January 20, 2012, 07:43:23 PM: Thanks, Wim. We shall see what it looks like when it flowers in a few years
Title: Re: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 21, 2012, 01:44:20 AM: Hmm, saying that an allium might be A. protensum or A. sarawschanicum is like saying it might be an apple or an orange! Those two species couldn't be more different. The exact wording was "Allium sp. ex JJA 17537 Amankutan, nr Seravshan, Samarkand, Uzbekistan 1700m. This may be A protensum or A sarawschanicum, both spectacular plants for the garden."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=allium%20sp%20ex%20jja%2017537&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.srgc.org.uk%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D8110.0%3Battach%3D320650&ei=dRUaT7SzAYmCgAeHiJ3nCw&usg=AFQjCNHwiF_SD-iEF3dAwz8Wspsyq5kX1g (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=allium%20sp%20ex%20jja%2017537&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.srgc.org.uk%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D8110.0%3Battach%3D320650&ei=dRUaT7SzAYmCgAeHiJ3nCw&usg=AFQjCNHwiF_SD-iEF3dAwz8Wspsyq5kX1g)

Allium sarawschanicum is a tall (3-4') purple "cricket ball" allium along the lines of familiar A. jesdianum, giganteum, hollandicum, stipitatum, and dozens more. Allium protensum on the other hand is one of the "dwarf giants", along the lines of A. schubertii, A. cristophii, with low stature like A. karataviense but enormous diffuse heads of little florets. Allium protensum has beige or brown colored flowers, unique to be sure but not showy, I flowered this species but once. How a seed offering can compare these two extremes of Alliumism as possibilities for what was collected, certainly raises my eyebrow. All that I can discern from this description is that it's an allium from Uzbekistan ;)
Title: Re: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: WimB on January 21, 2012, 10:48:14 AM: Quote from: TheOnionMan on January 21, 2012, 01:44:20 AM
Hmm, saying that an allium might be A. protensum or A. sarawschanicum is like saying it might be an apple or an orange! Those two species couldn't be more different. The exact wording was "Allium sp. ex JJA 17537 Amankutan, nr Seravshan, Samarkand, Uzbekistan 1700m. This may be A protensum or A sarawschanicum, both spectacular plants for the garden."

http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=allium%20sp%20ex%20jja%2017537&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.srgc.org.uk%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D8110.0%3Battach%3D320650&ei=dRUaT7SzAYmCgAeHiJ3nCw&usg=AFQjCNHwiF_SD-iEF3dAwz8Wspsyq5kX1g (http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=allium%20sp%20ex%20jja%2017537&source=web&cd=1&sqi=2&ved=0CB4QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.srgc.org.uk%2Fforum%2Findex.php%3Faction%3Ddlattach%3Btopic%3D8110.0%3Battach%3D320650&ei=dRUaT7SzAYmCgAeHiJ3nCw&usg=AFQjCNHwiF_SD-iEF3dAwz8Wspsyq5kX1g)

Allium sarawschanicum is a tall (3-4') purple "cricket ball" allium along the lines of familiar A. jesdianum, giganteum, hollandicum, stipitatum, and dozens more. Allium protensum on the other hand is one of the "dwarf giants", along the lines of A. schubertii, A. cristophii, with low stature like A. karataviense but enormous diffuse heads of little florets. Allium protensum has beige or brown colored flowers, unique to be sure but not showy, I flowered this species but once. How a seed offering can compare these two extremes of Alliumism as possibilities for what was collected, certainly raises my eyebrow. All that I can discern from this description is that it's an allium from Uzbekistan ;)

;D I guess they haven't seen it in bloom then!
Title: Re: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: TheOnionMan on January 21, 2012, 01:26:21 PM: Apparently not! Nor did they notice if the stem was over a meter tall or 30 cm or less.
Title: Re: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: WimB on January 21, 2012, 03:50:17 PM: Quote from: TheOnionMan on January 21, 2012, 01:26:21 PM
Apparently not! Nor did they notice if the stem was over a meter tall or 30 cm or less.

:D ::)
Title: Re: Allium sp JJA 17537
Post by: Magnar on January 21, 2012, 04:21:58 PM: Quote from: TheOnionMan on January 21, 2012, 01:26:21 PM
Apparently not! Nor did they notice if the stem was over a meter tall or 30 cm or less.

I am sure I shall be able to tell how tall the stem is whwn the time is there :D