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Title: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Oron Peri on January 07, 2012, 08:48:59 AM
A couple of beauties are blooming this morning,
A Blue form of I. palaestina and the long awaited Iris edomensis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on January 07, 2012, 09:15:45 AM
Both utterly amazingly beautiful. Well done Oron.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on January 07, 2012, 09:28:12 AM
You're right Pat,
Both are jewels  :o :o
The blue form is stunning, and I. edomensis... you know what I think about it  :) ;D
Thank's for posting this pictures Oron
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Otto Fauser on January 07, 2012, 10:59:24 AM
Oron , I can not put it better than Pat Toolan : both utterly amazingly beautyful !Is the blue colour form of I. palaestina common ?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 07, 2012, 11:11:30 AM
Phantastic, Oron. Pity no one of both are growable here even in greenhouse.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on January 07, 2012, 11:47:37 AM
Janis, I really think I. edomensis is one of the most difficult junos to grow, greenhouse or not  >:(
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Regelian on January 07, 2012, 12:10:40 PM
heart flutter!  Wow.

thanks for sharing, Oron,

Jamie
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 07, 2012, 02:10:18 PM
Congratulations Oron, a fantastic achievement.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 07, 2012, 03:04:08 PM
Many congrats, Oron !
Fantastic blooms !
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Oron Peri on January 07, 2012, 04:50:40 PM
Thank you  every one, glad i can share these with you,
otherwise only my cats see and walk on these wonders..  ;)

Oron , Is the blue colour form of I. palaestina common ?

Otto,
Occasionally I. palaestina is bluish when start to open but soon fade to its normal white, rarely one can find a blue form which remains such.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on January 07, 2012, 05:37:56 PM
A Blue form of I. palaestina and the long awaited Iris edomensis

Wow! Fantastic plants Oron! :o

Some Junos are flowering actually,  here some pics of Iris planifolia alba, Iris planifolia, Iris persica and  Iris stenophylla var. alisonii.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 07, 2012, 05:59:20 PM
Beautifull clumps Hans. I lost all my planifolias to the cold last winter but new seedlings are growing. Wonderfull white persica, I hope I get some whites and yellows in the seeds I have sown, and allisonii is a favorit of mine too. They are just up here.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Miriam on January 07, 2012, 06:01:52 PM
Beautiful, Oron!
Especially I. edomensis  :o
Have you seen it in bloom in Jordan?
Do you place it protected from the rain?

Hans, what a fantastic collection!
Here I. planifolia is also in bloom.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Oron Peri on January 07, 2012, 08:53:01 PM
Thanks Hans and Miriam,
Marvellous plants Hans, by the way your planifolia is doing really well here and flowered 3 weeks ago.
Miriam it is still too dry in the Edom Mountains, we are planing on going in February.
I grow I. edomensis as dry as possible, and move it undercover when it rains, also it is grown in a small terracotta pot filled half way with gravel so that soil dries quickly then from March, keeping it for 8 months in the hottest spot with not one drop of water.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Oron Peri on January 07, 2012, 09:29:32 PM
Here is  one of I. edomensis habitats.
It is endemic to the Edom Mountains in Jordan.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on January 07, 2012, 09:39:54 PM
Thanks Oron for the cultural practices you use for I. edomensis and the native habitat photos - that is essential information.
Hans you have some brilliant plants - did you grow from seed or start from bulbs/rhizomes?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hendrik Van Bogaert on January 08, 2012, 11:24:57 AM
Herewith a nice form of Iris persica, here in Belgium the first juno of the year. Never so early!
Hendrik
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 08, 2012, 11:54:57 AM
Herewith a nice form of Iris persica, here in Belgium the first juno of the year. Never so early!
Hendrik

Very good, Rik!
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hendrik Van Bogaert on January 08, 2012, 05:55:45 PM
Herewith a nice form of Iris persica, here in Belgium the first juno of the year. Never so early!
Hendrik

Very good, Rik!
Janis

Thank you very much Janis for your comment.
I hope you will forgive me that I post the first picture of the "Juno species nova" from your brand new catalogue because it's more than a beauty!
Those who want his catalogue 2012 on-line, just send Janis an email: janis.bulb@hawk.lv
Hendrik
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 08, 2012, 06:52:19 PM
Thank you, Rik. This juno is real beauty, but I have only very few... :(
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 08, 2012, 06:59:58 PM
Is this the Iris "aff Nusariensis" which was in Jim Archibald's seed list three years ago?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 08, 2012, 08:56:49 PM
What fantastic irises and my grateful thanks to those showing them. Most of those above we will never see in New Zealand or even at all!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 08, 2012, 09:07:46 PM
I'm sure you could grow most of them Lesley, almost all species are on your permitted seed list; all it takes is seeds, luck and a lot of patience, - the same as for the rest of us.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 08, 2012, 10:25:19 PM
Not parvula nor edomensis though! Actually, quite a few seem to have been added since I last looked and I need to look up the conditions but it seems maybe irises (dormant bulbs) don't have to be quarantined now. Level 2 before, now Level 1 which means I could bring in some histrio aintabensis and some others from Marcus. We'll see.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 08, 2012, 10:59:15 PM
It took me six years to obtain a bulb of parvula Lesley, and I still have only one clone. It took seven years before I was given some seeds of it by a very kind friend, (they have yet to be germinated). All other seeds that ever grew which were labled parvula were either vicaria or something similar. As for histrio aint, seeds of it are quite available if rarely.

I have been growing junos for nearly 40 years- since I was a toddler, edomensis is a holy grail unless you happen to live in its native home.
Good luck with importing bulbs, but remember we all have to work hard to cultivate rare plants, not just those of you in New Zealand. They are rare in cultivation for a reason -either hard to obtain or hard to grow, and usually both.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 09, 2012, 12:19:33 AM
Of course I realize all this Peter, and you, yourself have been very generous to me with iris seed. I wish I could reciprocate. My comments were rueful rather than anything else.

It was especially good to see I. edomensis with Oron because previously I had thought the only person ever to cultivate it successfully was Tony Hall. I don't aspire to joint that august and highly skilled company, only to look and admire. You mustn't condemn me for dreaming though. :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 09, 2012, 12:28:11 AM
One of the most difficult species to grow ( my opinion  ;) ) is flowering now: Iris edomensis, a bit early too but we have a warm and humid weather at the moment. This species doesn't like water at all at the end of growing cycle, and need dry rest period for the all summer.
Credit where it is due, Fred posted this.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 09, 2012, 01:20:53 AM
Fred's plant is superb on page 23 but so is Oron's on page 20. Credit to both gentlemen surely, and their superb skills. I was also carried away by the incredibly harsh landscape Oron showed, the home of I. edomensis. The mature plant seems to be holding a seed pod rather than a bud. Good news for the future of this stunning bulb in its habitat.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 09, 2012, 06:38:25 AM
Is this the Iris "aff Nusariensis" which was in Jim Archibald's seed list three years ago?
Yes.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 09, 2012, 09:14:34 AM
Thankyou Janis, they are growing  :D,
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on January 09, 2012, 08:50:14 PM
Beautifull as usual Hans and Hendrick.. Iris season never end  ;D
By the way, we should ask our favorite moderator to open the Juno 2012 season  ;D
Hans, the I. stenophylla is  :o :o
Here, only Iris palaestina is flowering now, the other species are just starting to show some points.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on January 09, 2012, 08:56:13 PM

By the way, we should ask our favorite moderator to open the Juno 2012 season  ;D


Yes, it is time you were rescued to the new year!

 
Beautiful Iris, all of them - such skilled growers here.  8)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on January 11, 2012, 11:48:45 PM
Iris galatica today.

Alex
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on January 11, 2012, 11:49:22 PM
Attaching the pics would help...
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on January 11, 2012, 11:56:32 PM
Attaching the pics would help...
I thought you were just playing hard to get......  ;)
Spring is on the go with your plants it seems  :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on January 12, 2012, 06:24:52 AM
Hummmm, delicious ! Looks like a sweet  ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 14, 2012, 11:02:53 PM
Nice colour variations Alex and Hendrik,
galatica is only just showing here, narbuti and aucheri are the most advanced but the rosenbachianas are moving now.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on January 15, 2012, 02:24:49 PM
Beautiful plants Hendrik, Janis and Alex!

Hans you have some brilliant plants - did you grow from seed or start from bulbs/rhizomes?
Thanks Pat, if possible I start from seeds -it takes much longer but it is more satisfying when you see it flowering after a few years and you know you can grow it- I always feel bad when I loose a bulb or rhizome and think how many years it was grown by a skilled person before ...  ::)


Several Junos  (and Reticulata) are in flower - here i show my actual favorites: a fine pale form of Iris persica and the colourful Iris fosteriana:
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on January 15, 2012, 05:01:12 PM
Both equally wonderful Hans !!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on January 15, 2012, 07:19:27 PM
I. fosteriana is  :o :o :o congratulation for such success Hans
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 15, 2012, 07:44:34 PM
That is a beautifull clump of fosteriana Hans, It has been difficult to keep going here the past two winters.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ian mcenery on January 15, 2012, 11:52:05 PM
Beautiful plants Hendrik, Janis and Alex!

Hans you have some brilliant plants - did you grow from seed or start from bulbs/rhizomes?
Thanks Pat, if possible I start from seeds -it takes much longer but it is more satisfying when you see it flowering after a few years and you know you can grow it- I always feel bad when I loose a bulb or rhizome and think how many years it was grown by a skilled person before ...  ::)


Several Junos  (and Reticulata) are in flower - here i show my actual favorites: a fine pale form of Iris persica and the colourful Iris fosteriana:

Lovely plants and so healthy.   Hans you are able to grow these so well  8)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: WimB on January 16, 2012, 02:32:28 PM
Wonderful flowers Alex and Hans!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on January 20, 2012, 10:38:20 AM
Hans I. fosteriana is certainly distinctive and lovely. Both are pretty special.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Rafa on January 20, 2012, 09:02:15 PM
geat job!, guys. Oron, Edom Mt. Range is an amazing place! I would like to jump bewteen all this rocks looking for plants!.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 29, 2012, 09:11:34 AM
Just got unpleasant news from Tony Hall - DNA research found that plant which I and Zhirair and someone else grew (and were very proud of it) as Iris atropatana - really is only Iris pseudocaucasica. It is allways very poor feeling when you see that plant which you supposed as great rarity turns nothing very special and really is quite common. But pseudocaucasica isn't too often offered in catalogues. So it isn't reason to fall in depression. Keep smiling!
Janis
Just found that name under picture remained atropatana - it must be corrected to pseudocaucasica.

edit by maggi: photo file renamed
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 29, 2012, 09:23:58 AM
What are the features which seperate them Janis?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 29, 2012, 09:45:54 AM
What are the features which seperate them Janis?
I didn't saw true atropatana and turned that I haven't it. Up to last Friday I supposed that mine is true. It was said that difference is in shape of falls. I suppose that true plant must be in Kew because Tony wrote me: 
"the two I. atropatana you kindly sent me from Armenia 2 years ago, are both Armenian Iris pseudocaucasica and not true I. atropatana, which is a very different taxon."
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 29, 2012, 10:12:30 AM
I have just been reading his paper but apart from his placing autropatana in the follwing group: postii, caucasica, nezahataie, caucasica turcica, hymenospata leptoneura, persica, edomensis, autropatana, hymenospata, fosteriana, pseudocaucasica;  fosteriana and pseudocaucasica are sisters, and cousins to the rest of this group,  I have written the names in the sequence that they appear on the chart, I haven't worked out the physical diferences between the two species from the paper yet.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 29, 2012, 03:59:34 PM
First Juno in flower for me this year was a surprise - Iris Sindpers, given to me by a very kind forumist in 2010.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: art600 on January 29, 2012, 04:21:46 PM
Janis

Even though your Juno turned out not to be rare, the plant is a stunner and so different from most pseudocaucasica.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 29, 2012, 04:24:52 PM
I like it too Art, and to me a different form of a species is a different plant!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on January 29, 2012, 05:02:27 PM
First Juno in flower for me this year was a surprise - Iris Sindpers, given to me by a very kind forumist in 2010.

Very nice Peter. It looks as though Warlsind is going to be my first.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 29, 2012, 05:26:15 PM
Janis

Even though your Juno turned out not to be rare, the plant is a stunner and so different from most pseudocaucasica.
Mostly we know Turkish pseudocaucasicas which are quite uniform, but in earlier "soviet" Talish they are very variable by color. Unfortunately I lost them in "pre-greenhouse" period. The plants from Iranian side are similar to their neighbours North of border and quite variable, too.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 29, 2012, 07:32:40 PM
Well, on that report, mine is going straight to the compost pile!
I wish you more tolerance...
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ian mcenery on January 30, 2012, 12:37:58 AM
Some lovely plants on this thread

Here is one of mine flowering at the moment Iris nicolai
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Tony Willis on January 30, 2012, 01:43:01 PM
Naw,
Not harsh at all.    I've only got so much space, and alot of Junos.    I'll find some little corner  in the greenhouse for I.
pseudocaucasica, but not front bench.
Hello eveyone.
Welcome,the answer here is surely to give it to somebody who would like it. 'If it is spare then share'
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 30, 2012, 06:12:48 PM
Some lovely plants on this thread

Here is one of mine flowering at the moment Iris nicolai
Seems that it is Varzob form?
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on January 30, 2012, 06:31:24 PM
Lovely Ian.
 Tony I was considering whether to jump in on this; Iris pseuducaucassica is quite uncommon and no less desirable for it's name correction. It is just as lovely as it was a week ago!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ian mcenery on January 30, 2012, 07:59:41 PM
Some lovely plants on this thread

Here is one of mine flowering at the moment Iris nicolai
Seems that it is Varzob form?
Janis

Janis the plant originated I believe from Pilous I know no more than this. Perhaps you can say more?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on January 31, 2012, 07:02:06 AM
Some lovely plants on this thread

Here is one of mine flowering at the moment Iris nicolai
Seems that it is Varzob form?
Janis

Janis the plant originated I believe from Pilous I know no more than this. Perhaps you can say more?
I judged by flower colour - at Varzob are yellowish forms - seem it is even more yellow than mine.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on February 04, 2012, 01:27:57 PM
Iris x 'Sindpers', today in the garden. ::)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on February 04, 2012, 01:38:23 PM
We have just seen on the TV news the snow in the Balearics, Hans, so this was not a shock to us.... but it must have been a shock to the Iris!  :o
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on February 04, 2012, 02:20:49 PM
Yes, specially for the flowering ones, hope they will suffer less than me actually... :-\
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 04, 2012, 02:22:21 PM
Nice pic Hans  :o
But don't complain  :D... here it's around -9 every day and night, and may be for one more week...  >:( ???
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 04, 2012, 02:28:31 PM
Good luck Hans, What is the temperature with you? Take off any damaged flowers when they melt. Here it is cold too, not as  cold as Freds though, but mostly the Junos are waiting still.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on February 04, 2012, 02:40:41 PM
Thanks Fred and Peter, temperature actually is about 3ºC, but last night it was below 0ºC as the frozen pond indicates - have already removed damaged flowers of the blooming Junos to avoid Botrytis, here the main reason for loosing Junos.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Gerhard Raschun on February 05, 2012, 09:49:15 AM
Season is just opened with a few first flowering plants  :)

Juno leptorhiza.jpg
Juno planifolia var alba.jpg
Juno svetlanae.jpg
Juno narbutii.jpg
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 05, 2012, 09:59:29 AM
wonderfull pictures Gerhard, and some difficult species to grow well!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on February 05, 2012, 02:14:06 PM
I posted this galatica a few weeks ago, since which it has put up another shoot which is also flowering - a nice surprise!

Alex
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 05, 2012, 04:11:21 PM
galatica does form clumps, very usefull of it, Persica even more so in my experiance. Congratulations Alex.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on February 05, 2012, 04:16:05 PM
Thank you, Peter. Sadly, my persica didn't form a clump, or even a viable bulb! It was a beautiful one from Janis, too.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 05, 2012, 04:24:11 PM
 Contact me in the Summer- depends how it grows this season.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on February 05, 2012, 06:46:52 PM
Will do! I hope I will have something you might like in return.

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 08, 2012, 12:13:58 PM
I. narbutii.
This was a week ago, and has been posted elsewhere. But now I'm here I thought, why not?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on February 08, 2012, 12:39:08 PM
Lovely to see these, Ron. So many Iris lovers around here ( you'll see the numbers that watch the  various Iris pages) that will appreciate seeing your plants.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 08, 2012, 12:55:50 PM
Thanks Maggi.
I have been a follower of the discussions for a while now, and finally felt I had to jump in. I've so much to learn from all the contibutors here and aspire to the standards so often displayed on these pages. I've just got so many questions! Truly a fantastic resource for new and experienced, young and old, alike.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on February 08, 2012, 01:10:02 PM
I've seen a number of your plants in the AGS pages, Ron and I am sure you will have some good tips to share with us on your growing methods.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 08, 2012, 01:15:09 PM
Always willing to share Maggi.
When I first started I was given some plants by an experienced grower. I offered to pay but he refused. He said ' when I lose them you can give me some back'. Never forgot him and live by his creed.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 08, 2012, 06:10:54 PM
The best way to get new plants Ronm !!  ;) :)
Congratulation, your I. narbutii is gorgeous
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 08, 2012, 10:16:16 PM
very good plants Ron, how long have you been growing narbuti, do you protect it from freezing?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 08, 2012, 10:19:38 PM
Thanks Fred. Interesting that its 'twin' which was planted in a seperate pot and around 2cm. deeper is just poking its nose through the grit. Otherwise both have been treated identically. Makes it difficult to answer when people ask ' when does this or that plant flower?'
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on February 08, 2012, 10:23:02 PM
Great to see another iris grower on this forum and beautiful plant Ron.
I am also hoping that all in the northern hemisphere do not get too much snow in climates that are not used to it.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 08, 2012, 10:25:18 PM
Thanks Peter. Had this plant three years from a two year old seedling from a plant fair. This plant froze solid for weeks last year in its pot, and only put up badly damaged small leaves a year ago. When I came to investigate it in September there were two very nice bulbs , covered in dead black sludge. After cleaning, splitting and re potting this is the result. Conclusions .....unsure yet!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 08, 2012, 10:51:25 PM
You were lucky, not a common plant at a fair! They usually freeze with me, but freezing while in flower can cause the mushy flower to infect the bulb with botrytis, and they hate prolonged freezing after top growth has started. Congratulations for keeping it over Summer.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 09, 2012, 07:30:43 AM
Great to have you here Ron !  :D
I. narbuti looks just as heavenly out here as on the other pages !  ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 09, 2012, 04:43:39 PM
Thanks so much for the kind welcomes. I hope I can add something to what you all have built up here. Such a vast wealth of experience and a great collective of questioning, challenging minds.
The glasshouse I use for the Junos has a naturally dry atmosphere and I do everything I can to maintain that ( rightly or wrongly ), and as such never , to date, have suffered with moulds of any kind above soil level. This even extends to old crocus flowers which are notorious for causing issues. { tempting fate !!? }.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on February 09, 2012, 05:13:43 PM
I. narbutii.
This was a week ago, and has been posted elsewhere. But now I'm here I thought, why not?
Superb!   :o :o :o
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 09, 2012, 05:44:37 PM
Thank you Janis.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Oron Peri on February 17, 2012, 09:31:00 AM
Early this week Fred Depalle [BULBISSIME] and my self went to Jordan to look for Juno Irises.
There are not less then 5 species growing in Jordan. Seems we were the only nuts to walk in the mountains at this time of the year...
It was  too early for most of the species as rains came very late this year and the south of Jordan is completely dry yet.
Luckily!! [after 6 years for me] we have found Iris edomensis in full bloom, it is a small species but really breathtaking.
Here are some samples.
 
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 17, 2012, 09:46:03 AM
are all the plants solitary Oron?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on February 17, 2012, 10:10:15 AM
Wow the variations are amazing - and all that lovely pollen they produce!
It is one of the maybe one day if stocks build up and it gets off the really rare status.
Thanks Oron for posting these. It does look very parched and this is your winter.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: art600 on February 17, 2012, 10:57:06 AM
Oron

I lioke them all, but the dark one...
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: WimB on February 17, 2012, 11:05:06 AM
Oron,

wonderful plants.

Arthur can have the dark one, I'll take the whitest  ;)  :P
The colour of the whitest one reminded me of one of thoses white crab-spiders, don't know why, but I think they're lovely!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 17, 2012, 11:13:58 AM
Now they are, to me, what the Junos are all about. :) :) Superb! Thank you for sharing them Oron.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Rafa on February 17, 2012, 11:52:43 AM
Terrific forms of I. edomensis, Oron!! :o looking also for Miriam and Fred pictures, also like last year, I would like to see pictures of the superb picnic (I imagine...!) with Miri's foods!! ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on February 17, 2012, 12:22:48 PM
My first Juno of the season, Iris 'Warlsind'. About a month earlier than last season and I didn't start watering until mid-October this time whereas last season I started early September.


By the way got an email from Amazon this morning to say that at looooong last the copy of the re-print I ordered eons ago of "A Guide to Species Irises:Their Identification and Cultivation" is likely to be shipped at the end of this month.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Tom Waters on February 17, 2012, 02:34:48 PM
By the way got an email from Amazon this morning to say that at looooong last the copy of the re-print I ordered eons ago of "A Guide to Species Irises:Their Identification and Cultivation" is likely to be shipped at the end of this month.


I received my copy yesterday, almost a year to the day from when I ordered it. I have to say I'm delighted with it. The descriptions of species are more detailed and systematic than in Mathew or Kolhein, making it a better resource for identifying plants one is unsure of.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 17, 2012, 02:53:38 PM
Hope mine will be here soon too Tom. Sounds good.
A nice suprise for me today was this I svetlaneae flowering for me for the first time from seed. I selfed the parent in '07 and sowed the seed Dec '07. I only got 7 seed and have only managed to bring 3 through. This is the first to flower for me, and I dont think the other 2 will do it this year. We have had a warmer spell for the last few days and this came from nowhere.  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 17, 2012, 02:55:20 PM
pics
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 17, 2012, 05:32:00 PM
Just seen a number of new Juno pics on the SIGNA site. These are attributed to Tony Hall, Junos in cultivation at Kew, 12th Feb 2012, posted by the New Zealand Iris Society. Was this a special talk, an article for a journal or something other? Am I missing something and this information is 'old hat'. Would love to know as Junos are my second love, and any info. (esp. from T.Hall esq. ) is most welcome.
There are a number of species, e.g. this link to I. parvula, http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-parvula+2+2 (http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-parvula+2+2)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on February 17, 2012, 07:19:07 PM
Well done with the svetlaneae Ron, very nice indeed.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Oron Peri on February 18, 2012, 06:05:21 PM
Many thanks everyone.

are all the plants solitary Oron?
Peter, yes often solitary, rarely populations up to 20 -30 plants but quite distant from each other.
One flower, occasionally 2 flowers in mature plants.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Oron Peri on February 18, 2012, 06:09:59 PM
Terrific forms of I. edomensis, Oron!! :o looking also for Miriam and Fred pictures, also like last year, I would like to see pictures of the superb picnic (I imagine...!) with Miri's foods!! ;D
Rafa
Unfortunately we didn't have Miriam with us in Jordan so we were eating bars and chocolate most of the time... ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 18, 2012, 06:10:19 PM
May I ask Oron, generally how far are the seedlings dispersed away? Obviously each seedling cannot be 'attached' to its parent, but approximately? Is it cm., metres?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Oron Peri on February 18, 2012, 06:18:05 PM
Ron,
Distances are always in meters, and in some areas douzens of meters.
I think it would be easier to calculate it on how many plants per a 100 square meters....
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 18, 2012, 06:21:15 PM
Wow! I am ignorant about this environment. Is the seed distribution agent known?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Oron Peri on February 18, 2012, 06:28:30 PM
Wow! I am ignorant about this environment. Is the seed distribution agent known?

I suspect it is the rain, as when it rains water do not absorb quickly in this kind of soil [mostley Loess soil] and just run on surface.
Any way not ants  as plants do not grow in crevices etc.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 18, 2012, 06:41:10 PM
Amazing, I'd love to know more. Always I get few seed set in cultivation. no matter how much pollen I transfer with brush. Who is pollinator in this dry environment? Many seeds per plant per year? Then distribution is tricky? You may have answered one of my main questions regarding these plants. When growing 'adults' we must keep them dry for long periods? But seedlings need slightly more moisture to survive? Why ... if they grow with adults? Maybe they dont ... they are washed into local depressions which remain damper for slightly longer than the area the adults are in? Next year the run off areas are different.. so plants spread? Just a theory, is it a very poor one / wrong please to those who know better?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 19, 2012, 08:56:55 AM
No picnic picture as no Logistic woman with us  ;D
But as Oron spend less time to eat, he worked more  ;)

Sorry for the lines oron, I'm only photographer.... not a magician  ;D ;D ;D


Iris edomensis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 19, 2012, 09:00:30 AM
Lovely Fred. The pictures give a great feel of the environment.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on February 19, 2012, 10:21:51 AM
No picnic picture as no Logistic woman with us  ;D
But as Oron spend less time to eat, he worked more  ;)

Sorry for the lines oron, I'm only photographer.... not a magician  ;D ;D ;D
Phantastic plants and pictures. Pity - edomensis isn't growable here. :'(
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 19, 2012, 04:35:04 PM
Stunning pictures Oron and Fred !!!! Amazing plants !

Ron, I love your I. svetlanae !!!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 19, 2012, 04:41:57 PM
Thank you Luc. I think that this could well be the most 'normal' of the three. Of the others, one has really curled up tight leaves and the other has very short squat leaves. I think I'm not going to see the flowers until next year however. :(
The plants from my original pollinations are at or nearing flowering size this year so, I have my fingers crossed for something nice to turn up. ;)
I guess the thing is that unless you want to sell your 'new' plants, then the beauty is that each seedling is unique, and  ( beauty is in the eye of the beholder ), therefore equally valuable in the scheme of life.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ian mcenery on February 19, 2012, 06:05:32 PM
The last one is Wonderful photo and plant. Love the foliage too. Envy Envy
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on February 19, 2012, 07:14:19 PM
 :o Oron and Fred :o!!!
Thanks a lot for showing this breathtaking pictures of Iris edomensis! - think it is one of the holy grail iris for all Juno growers - unfortunately it should be one of the most difficult to grow!

Here two pictures from the garden taken today, Iris persica and Iris stenophylla var. alisonii.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on February 19, 2012, 08:10:14 PM
I'm running out of smiley's here Hans !  :o :o
B e a u t i f u l !!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on February 19, 2012, 09:04:01 PM
Oron and Fred and Hans and Ron,
This is where I need to make the whole screen green but failing that a
thank you will have to suffice
The wealth of plants and designs of plant flowers and forms is utterly amazing in the drier areas.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 19, 2012, 09:55:59 PM
Superb Hans !!!
no damage in the garden after freezing time ??
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on February 19, 2012, 10:29:25 PM
Thanks Luc, Pat and Fred!
Fortunately damages of freezing are not very important - mainly leaves of a few Canary Island plants and a few Cyclamen persicum (C. rohlfsianum are all fine) suffered, unfortunately also some of small seedlings from Iris edomensis and regis-uzziae. :-\ All other Iris seedlings are ok.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 20, 2012, 07:33:34 AM
Great Hans !
Here we have a lot of damages but still don't know how many were killed..... have to wait few weeks.  :'( :'( :(
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 20, 2012, 08:20:22 AM
Wow!!!
Just caught up with this thread and am stunned by those iris in the desert!
And Hans' garden ones are great as well! What colours!
Thanks for posting, guys.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 20, 2012, 09:22:23 PM
Hi Janis, Why can't we grow I edomensis? If you mean outside, in the open, I understand, but if we want to grow it surely we can provide the right conditions? If we knew what they were?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 20, 2012, 09:58:03 PM
What they need is simple : plenty of light for 3 months and 1/2 glass of water for the all growing cycle  :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on February 21, 2012, 08:25:07 AM
Hi Janis, Why can't we grow I edomensis? If you mean outside, in the open, I understand, but if we want to grow it surely we can provide the right conditions? If we knew what they were?
It comes out in winter and frosts here are too hard to keep leaf alive regardless of covering with glasswool sheets. The leaf after opening need a lot of light, too. It is possible in greenhouse with additional lighting and heating in winter. But there are many of plants (at present I have 5700 different samples) growable without such investments and in last years I understood that not absolutely everything is needed. Some things grow, some not. It is nature.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 22, 2012, 06:59:25 AM
What they need is simple : plenty of light for 3 months and 1/2 glass of water for the all growing cycle  :)
Sounds perfect for our conditions! ;D
I'm sure Pat Toolan and I can accommodate any spare seeds you have and wish to "agist" in Australia
(it's even on the "allowed list" so no trouble with Customs)!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 22, 2012, 07:24:15 AM
Ok Fermides and Pat, will remember  ;D ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Miriam on February 22, 2012, 04:58:21 PM
Oron and Fred, I wish I was there with you!
It was worth while just to see this amazing Iris  ;)

Hans, as always I am stunned to see how everything is doing well in your garden!
Ron- beatiful plants!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 22, 2012, 05:04:38 PM
Thank you Miriam. I love growing from seed from my own plants, and seeing the variation that occurs. Its second best to seeing a large stand 'in nature', but as I will never see many of these plants where they grow naturally, it satisfies my curiosity somewhat.  :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on February 23, 2012, 05:14:50 PM
My second of the season Iris bucharica 'Baldschuan Yellow' this one from Peter Taggart's List. Seems to flower a couple of weeks before my standard bucharica form. Apologies for the quality of the pics, it was quite windy at the time.

Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on February 23, 2012, 05:21:39 PM
............ this one from Peter Taggart's List. ...........


Peter does a list?  :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: art600 on February 23, 2012, 05:49:43 PM
Tony Hall brought acollection of Juno Iris to the British Iris species Group meeting at Myddleton House.

I only took one photograph as the light was difficult  - Iris narbutii
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 23, 2012, 06:04:42 PM
Lovely plants, those I narbutii.  ;D
Can anyone decypher that label? ???
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 23, 2012, 06:41:10 PM
Nice one David, ;D ;D ;D. Do you grow in good strong light or are you shaded for your Junos?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on February 23, 2012, 06:54:40 PM
Nice one David, ;D ;D ;D. Do you grow in good strong light or are you shaded for your Junos?

Thanks Ron. Yes, they are in pretty poor light. They are on the north facing side of the greenhouse which is sheltered by a 6 foot fence just about a yard and a bit away from the greenhouse which in turn is shaded by a large Mahonia. Having said that Devon is mainly in poor light :(
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 23, 2012, 07:04:29 PM
 :( :(, Devon is such a nice county, surely ???. There must be something nice there,  ???. Cannot be all gloom and doom,  ???. Isn't there?  ???.
I often ask myself, is the challenge to grow them as near to nature as possible ( 98% of people are screaming yessssssssssssss of course ;) ;)), or is it to grow them well and healthy and for as long as we are alive to do it, in order that the genes may be preserved. I read so often of 'Great Growers', who win medals etc. and dont have the plant the next year! ( lost to adverse conditions  :( :( :( ), but will then go and get another from someone in the know ( ::)), only to lose it again. :(. What do you think?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: DaveM on February 23, 2012, 08:35:48 PM
Fabulous images Oron and Fred of the rare Iris edomensis - what a cracking plant. Seems incredible that plants can evolve to thrive in such inhospitable conditions. Just a wonderful sight though.
Clearly wouldn't survive here  :( :( :(
...... days too short, light levels too low in winter and plenty of really damp days

Hans - I really like your Iris persica and stenophylla allisoni from your garden - brings back some good memories of seeing these in Turkey a couple of years ago.......

Thanks guys for sharing your superb images of these exquisite plants.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on February 25, 2012, 10:49:34 PM
A little more pedestrian than some of the foregoing - but nice nonetheless!

I. rosenbachiana 'Harangon'
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 26, 2012, 11:14:20 AM
It's still an absolute beauty though Alex, :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on February 26, 2012, 11:33:05 AM
I.rosenbackiana HARANGON at its best (few years ago)
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 26, 2012, 12:50:15 PM
Oh Yes Janis,  :o :o :o :o ;D. But what has happened to it since? Has it proved a tricky one to grow in your conditions? ???
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on February 26, 2012, 04:52:22 PM
Ron, I. rosenbackiana here is one of easiest in most of forms. Harangon (and others) is the easiest  just outside, not so good in greenhouse, but safer to grow in greenhouse. Only magnifica here can compare with rosenbackianas.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 26, 2012, 04:58:34 PM
Thanks Janis. ;D As I thought, as its also an easy species here for me too. ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: udo on February 26, 2012, 06:41:54 PM
Alex and Janis, nice Juno rosenbachiana.

Here is a early red Juno nicolai, receive from Mr. Jilek in 2010. Last year not a sign from him. Who knows, why?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 26, 2012, 07:03:35 PM
Last year I recieved seeds from Mr Jilek, most of them are growing. He sent me his list last Automn but did not reply when I asked for some more seeds   ???

Here is a picture of the Junos which Tony Hall brought in to the Iris Show on the 18th of February
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: art600 on February 26, 2012, 07:06:18 PM
Peter

Well done in capturing the whole display.

I did not think the ones that had flowered for the first time would show up as they were quite small plants - I was wrong.

Happy memories of an excellent show.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 26, 2012, 07:08:56 PM
and some close ups of them, Iris rosenbachiana (two forms) and Iris nicoli and another picture of Iris narbuti which I think Arthur showed
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 26, 2012, 07:28:45 PM
I like your little red rosenbachiana Dirk.
Thanks Arthur, I managed to get the rest too.
Iris autropatana, Iris stocksii (sorry it was just going over when I reached it), Iris stenophylla allisonii,
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 26, 2012, 07:42:07 PM
Lovely Junos. I'm feeling peeved that i couldn't get there to see them in the flesh :(. Still, thank you Peter for taking these and sharing, ... next best thing!  :o :o
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: art600 on February 26, 2012, 07:43:04 PM
After Iris narbutii, I think Iris stenophylla allisonii must be my favourite.

It meets availability and price  :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on February 26, 2012, 07:45:03 PM


Iris autropatana, Iris stocksii (sorry it was just going over when I reached it), Iris stenophylla allisonii,

 The fabled Iris stocksii.... see here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6967.0
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 26, 2012, 07:47:23 PM
Unless the year has been particularly bad, my Junos usually double each growing season.  ;D
I expect Kew with all their resources dont have to succumb to bad growing environment, so what happens to their excess stock? I know they are not allowed to distribute it, so they must have mountains of some of these plants!!  ??? ???
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 26, 2012, 07:49:34 PM
also a more modest contribution from myself -Iris rosenbachiana
another form of Iris ?rosenbachiana
and to prove I am still growing it although not so well and poor pictures- (I didn't have this much dificulty with a conventional camera) Iris narbuti on my bench today, just going over. I bought a pair of seedlings from Jim Almond some years ago, they have never had protection from frost while I have been growing them, -this is the first winter I have ever heated any glass.
In the greenhouse Iris aucheri ex white leylak strain. It has benefited from the extra warmth.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 26, 2012, 07:54:37 PM
Unless the year has been particularly bad, my Junos usually double each growing season.  ;D
I expect Kew with all their resources dont have to succumb to bad growing environment, so what happens to their excess stock? I know they are not allowed to distribute it, so they must have mountains of some of these plants!!  ??? ???
I dont think that they have mountains of stocksii or autropatana yet Ron.

Iris rosenbachiana has given me a great deal of dificulty learning to grow it- without frost protection in the UK climate. I should add that I have grown it from seeds to flowering as well as from purchased bulbs.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 26, 2012, 07:59:15 PM
But excepting the two you mention Peter? ???
Do you find much variation from expectations when you grow from seed? I ask because I do, and am wondering how stable some of these are?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 26, 2012, 08:00:21 PM
Lovely Junos. I'm feeling peeved that i couldn't get there to see them in the flesh :(. Still, thank you Peter for taking these and sharing, ... next best thing!  :o :o
Thanks Ron, Hope to meet you at the Frit group. I felt that these pictures should reach a wider audiance

After Iris narbutii, I think Iris stenophylla allisonii must be my favourite.

It meets availability and price  :)
I quite agree Arthur, (though I can't forget Iris fosteriana)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on February 26, 2012, 08:06:48 PM
I'm following this......... and dribbling ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 26, 2012, 08:08:38 PM
I'm going to make a big effort to be there this time Peter. Looking forward to seeing you too,  :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 26, 2012, 08:14:36 PM
Sorry to have to say it but when I divide up a herbaceous border half of each plant goes into the compost heap or fire. However I do believe that there are routes for plants out of Kew, just not routes easily accessable to you or me. Of course disasters happen too... so even plants that normally double up can dwindle some years!

I have found most juno forms which I have grown fairly uniform from seeds but my experiance is quite limited as yet. Janis would be better qualified to answer this.

I understand that there are at least three species involved in the Iris rosenbachiana group. The pictures of the three Kew plants I pictured can probably be taken as definative, and Tony confirmed my rosenbachiana at the show. One difference betwen Iris rosenbachiana and Iris nicoli is the tip of the fall and how much white is on it and (I think) whether it is notched.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 26, 2012, 08:18:16 PM
 :o :o :o :o.
Thanks for the info., Peter. ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on February 27, 2012, 09:54:28 AM
Dirk, thats not the Mr. Jilek who is the newest member of this forum is it?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on February 27, 2012, 11:43:59 AM
Alex and Janis, nice Juno rosenbachiana.

Here is a early red Juno nicolai, receive from Mr. Jilek in 2010. Last year not a sign from him. Who knows, why?
It looks very similar to my VARZOB.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on February 27, 2012, 10:26:55 PM
Some superb plants here, Peter thanks a lot for showing those unique plants from the Kew collection! A pitty Iris rosenbachiana does not like my climate.

Iris aucheri is still not flowering here, but its hybrid Iris x Sindpers and the other parent Iris persica.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on February 27, 2012, 10:36:54 PM
a lovely persica Hans.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 02, 2012, 01:36:57 PM
I.svetlanae.

I know its common but there are variations within those in cultivation, and with this clone the leaves are very short, the flowers lack much of the 'dark lines' found in many of the other clones. A more uniform orangey yellow, as opposed to the greeny yellow of some.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 02, 2012, 03:56:37 PM
A very good yellow in your svetlaenae Ron !!


Another well deserved WOW Hans !!

I found Iris rosenbachiana "Harangon" flowering today !!  :D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 02, 2012, 04:06:31 PM
That's a lovely suprise for you then Luc! ;D ;D. Mine are a way off yet. :(
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 02, 2012, 07:05:34 PM
Lovely plants Ron and Luc.

A couple more of mine today:-

Iris tubergeniana, nice and short, ideal for the limited amount of greenhouse space I can give to Junos.
Iris warleyensis an awful lot taller than my first one and possibly a bit etiolated.

Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on March 02, 2012, 07:53:32 PM
David are your pots in a plunge?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 02, 2012, 07:56:02 PM
Very nicely done David  ;D ;D. Beautiful plants both. Are you 100% on the I.tubergeniana ? I  ask because I have been dissapointed on a number of occasions with misnames. Yours looks good to me but its hard from a picture.
By posting your picture of I.warleyensis, I think you may have answered a question I will pose tomorrow. ??? ??? ??? Thank you.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 02, 2012, 08:19:55 PM
Ron, many thanks,  as far as I know it's correct. It came originally from Peter Taggart and if anyone knows his Irises it's Peter. I posted it last year and noone commented.

Dave-no they're not plunged. I grow them in large Rose Pots in plasic trays- with a bit of grit for them to stand on- on the floor of my greenhouse in the two places I have gaps in the staging. Not ideal conditions as they are a bit cramped and those on the north side of the greenhouse, which is quite heavily shaded by a fence and tall shrubs, do struggle for light. If I were to grow them properly I'd have to give up growing lots of other things.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 02, 2012, 08:23:11 PM
Thank you David. Great provenance! ;D ;D ;). I have failed to aquire this species on a number of occasions. Its a beauty! 8) 8)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 02, 2012, 08:28:24 PM
Well done Mr. N. they look smashing !
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 02, 2012, 09:24:31 PM
Ron, many thanks,  as far as I know it's correct. It came originally from Peter Taggart and if anyone knows his Irises it's Peter. I posted it last year and noone commented.

Thankyou but there are people here who know these Irises better than I. I just like to grow as many as I can manage. However Tony Hall did confirm the identity of my plants of I tubergeniana, the fringed crest is one diagnostic feature for it.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 02, 2012, 09:32:01 PM
..........Tony Hall did confirm the identity of my plants of I. tubergeniana, the fringed crest is one diagnostic feature for it.

 And David's photo  I. tubergeniana 2 shows that feature very clearly, doesn't it.... one can almost "feel" it.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on March 02, 2012, 09:48:15 PM
seems that spring is coming  ;D... at least .....
thank's guys for all this pictures of so nice species... and hybrids. I'd like to see more from your growing conditions, i.e. greenhouses, frames ... ???
thank's for sharing  ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Lars S on March 02, 2012, 10:04:28 PM
My iris rosenbachiana is just putting up its nose in my outside sand bed but spring is still lingering here so I guess it will take a while until I can hope to see any flowers. Also iris sari and iris acutiloba are showing a little leaf.

I ordered some seeds of iris and corydalis from Jan Jilek this autumn but it took a while before they arrived. I´m hoping for a good germination later in spring
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 03, 2012, 10:08:34 AM
I bought this two years ago at a small local fair. It was marked as 'Blue Juno'. It was a small plant, I estimated perhaps a two year old seedling. I also bought a few 'Yellow Juno' (turned out to be some decent looking I.bucharica ), and some 'White Juno' ( I.magnifica). As they were only £1 each I didn't really care what they were. The lady on the stall said here husband grew them , and she didnt know anything about their history. It got badly frozen in its pot last year, but still tried to put out a flower, but this was badly deformed. This year its doubled and has about 5 flowers coming, and a couple on its offspring. Trouble is ... what is it? ;D. At first I thought rich coloured I.vicaria, but then started to see I. warleyensis. ???. Now I've convinced myself that someone has been dabbling with a paint brush and I've got a 'mongrel'. :'( :'(.  If it is then it can go in the auction Maggi.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on March 03, 2012, 06:05:46 PM
No idea what it is but I like it!!

Here is I. hippolyti today.

Alex
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 03, 2012, 06:23:40 PM
Very special Alex,  :o ;D. Any specific growing tips for this one? please.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on March 04, 2012, 12:17:36 AM
Hi Ron,

Not really - I got one bulb from Jan Jilek 8 years ago I think and it has multiplied so I now have 4 or 5 bulbs. It seems to grow fairly well in the usual Juno conditions here, although I live in quite a dry and sunny part of the country. I don't do anything special for it.

It doesn't look like you have any problems growing Junos, though, judging by the pics you post! You should be fine with this one.

Alex
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 04, 2012, 08:40:59 AM
Thanks for the information Alex. I like to ask on anything I dont grow myself as I think it best not to take anything for granted. When I see things growing so well I'll always ask to see if I'm 'missing a trick'. :) :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 04, 2012, 09:48:51 AM
It looks nice whatever it is Ron, well worth keeping I would have thought. Perhaps you should call it Iris 'Clear as Mud', and put it oo Ebay and make your fortune ;D

Nice hippolyti Alex.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 04, 2012, 10:03:57 AM
 ;D ;D ;D£££££££ :o :o :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 04, 2012, 10:09:19 AM
I'd rather give them away than do that David,  ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: LucS on March 05, 2012, 07:47:00 PM
That's the right spirit.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 05, 2012, 09:01:49 PM

Good evening

Please allow me to talk with you a bit in the Forum as well. I have a small collection of plants from Central Asia and I will be happy to discuss with you about problems and lucks in growing those beautifull plants. For the moment I cannot boast because I have still snow in my garden. I am growing plants  in loose soil so that is why they are just waking up.

Jan

Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 05, 2012, 09:05:15 PM
Welcome to The Forum Jan, we look forward to seeing your plants.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 05, 2012, 09:10:06 PM
Welcome Jan, I hope that you are well.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 05, 2012, 09:23:20 PM
Welcome Jan.  Good to hear from you.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 05, 2012, 09:28:02 PM
Thank you very much for the welcome. I do not know English well.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 05, 2012, 09:35:57 PM
Your English is good Jan and I am looking forward to seeing the snow melt in your garden. Some seeds, which I think you sent me, are growing well, here in England.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 05, 2012, 09:45:13 PM
I bought this two years ago at a small local fair. It was marked as 'Blue Juno'. It was a small plant, I estimated perhaps a two year old seedling. I also bought a few 'Yellow Juno' (turned out to be some decent looking I.bucharica ), and some 'White Juno' ( I.magnifica). As they were only £1 each I didn't really care what they were. The lady on the stall said here husband grew them , and she didnt know anything about their history. It got badly frozen in its pot last year, but still tried to put out a flower, but this was badly deformed. This year its doubled and has about 5 flowers coming, and a couple on its offspring. Trouble is ... what is it? ;D. At first I thought rich coloured I.vicaria, but then started to see I. warleyensis. ???. Now I've convinced myself that someone has been dabbling with a paint brush and I've got a 'mongrel'. :'( :'(.  

Jan was just saying that this is a beautiful hybrid - his post got lost!  


 Jan: you can click the "reply" button by any post to make a comment on it.  8)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 05, 2012, 10:01:59 PM
I like natural hybrid J.magnifica warleyensis J x.
my not so intense in color.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 05, 2012, 10:05:58 PM
Tomorrow I post photos of some types of Juno. Good night all
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 05, 2012, 10:13:06 PM
I bought this two years ago at a small local fair. It was marked as 'Blue Juno'. It was a small plant, I estimated perhaps a two year old seedling. I also bought a few 'Yellow Juno' (turned out to be some decent looking I.bucharica ), and some 'White Juno' ( I.magnifica). As they were only £1 each I didn't really care what they were. The lady on the stall said here husband grew them , and she didnt know anything about their history. It got badly frozen in its pot last year, but still tried to put out a flower, but this was badly deformed. This year its doubled and has about 5 flowers coming, and a couple on its offspring. Trouble is ... what is it? ;D. At first I thought rich coloured I.vicaria, but then started to see I. warleyensis. ???. Now I've convinced myself that someone has been dabbling with a paint brush and I've got a 'mongrel'. :'( :'(. 

Jan was just saying that this is a beautiful hybrid - his post got lost! 



Ron, could your Iris be "Prominence" or "Sinbad"? I grow neither, but the names come to mind and I have seen a pictureof it in a cataloge somewhere.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on March 06, 2012, 09:05:53 AM
Just been in the greenhouse and was pondering that, despite a few nice Juno flowers, it has mostly been a pretty poor Juno year for me with many regulars not flowering and looking smaller; presumably this relates to the last growing season. I also noticed that last year's Pleione growth was unusually good, as have others in the Pleione threads. Is this the predictable consequence of a sunless Summer? How are other UK growers Junos doing in general?

Cheers,

Alex
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 06, 2012, 09:15:51 AM
It has been a good season for my junos, but few flowers so far, due to the weak bulbs after two bad growing years!
The Tovil d Ara offsett you sent me 18 months ago flowerd nicely though Alex.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 09:30:31 AM
I dont know either of these Peter, so dont know if this could be one of them. It does seem to be a hybrid though ( my own concerns plus comments on this forum ), so it has got to go. If there is to be an auction Maggi, then this and a few others are committed, if not then I'll dispose of it elsewhere. Thanks to all who have commented so far. ;D ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 06, 2012, 09:50:08 AM
I sympathise Ron, but I sometimes first generation hybreds can be interesting both in that they show relationship and are posiable, also second generation are interesting to see the throw backs.

Do Iris vicaria and Iris warleyensis meet in the wild?
I think that some species of juno also hybridise in the wild... Perhaps Jan or Janis could say more on this?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 09:51:30 AM
Some pictures
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 09:57:13 AM
 ;D, Oh, I see you also grow one or two Junos then Jan !!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 10:03:08 AM
Thanks Peter ;). No sympathy neccessary, it only cost a pound and I've had the pleasure of growing it, and the anticipation / excitement of waiting for the flower. However, to my mind, a man made hybrid is not something I really want as it doesnt fit in with my scheme of things ( applies only to my Frits, Junos, and Crocus ), and a hybrid of unknown provenance doubly so.  ;D ;D. It is  a very lovely plant though,  ::)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on March 06, 2012, 10:09:43 AM
Welcome Jan, a fascinating start! :o

Some Junos are still in flower here - Iris stenophylla and Iris x 'Sindpers', latter fascinates me more and more, it is easy and has a good number of flowers in a good size - perhaps I should try to remake this cross using different colourforms of I.persica - I suppose it is a Iris  persica x Iris aucheri (or Iris aucheri x Iris persica)?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 10:12:09 AM
Sindpers = aucheri x persica.  :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ian mcenery on March 06, 2012, 10:19:09 AM
Some pictures

Lovely collection  :o :o :o

So you are just a beginner then Jan  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ian mcenery on March 06, 2012, 10:20:58 AM
Welcome Jan, a fascinating start! :o

Some Junos are still in flower here - Iris stenophylla and Iris x 'Sindpers', latter fascinates me more and more, it is easy and has a good number of flowers in a good size - perhaps I should try to remake this cross using different colourforms of I.persica - I suppose it is a Iris  persica x Iris aucheri (or Iris aucheri x Iris persica)?

Hans the sindpers looks good enough to eat
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 10:22:53 AM
some junos

1. photo -  J.nicolai and J. rosenbachiana
2. photo -  natural hybrid J.svetlanae x J.warleyensis
3. photo -  J.hippolyti
4. photo -  natural hybrid J.magnifica x J.svetlanae
5. photo -  Juno rosenbachiana
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 10:46:51 AM
Peter,   J.vicaria and J.warleyensis are hybrid in nature.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 11:29:15 AM
Great pictures, Jan.  ;D ;D Thank you,
Natural hybrids.... are they very common?? ( now what to do?  ??? ???)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 11:55:18 AM
Alex, my Junos have performed very 'normally' for me so far, with some even putting on exceptional growth and multiplication. I think the proliferation has been due to damage caused last winter leading to many new bulbs forming from the damage. ( just a theory  :-\). I have noticed that they have required much less watering than is normal for me, but why this should be I have no idea.
Do you normally feed after flowering? I do, usually with a weak 'Tomato food', until time to stop watering.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 11:55:26 AM
beautiful natural hybrids are rare in nature.

very many hybrids Juno x narbuti , Juno x nicolai , Juno x kuschakewiczii ,
 Juno x magnifica , Juno x capnoides.
I saw natural hybrids  J.nicolai x J.vicaria
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 01:35:17 PM
As I thought, ;). Thank you Jan.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 03:49:03 PM
Jan, you say you grow your Junos in open soil, but do you have a standard mix? What ratio grit to soil etc? Thank you for your advice. ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 04:26:03 PM
Ronm

I sent those pictures to your e-mail
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 04:28:30 PM
Thank you Jan.  :o :o
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 04:52:11 PM
More Juno photos

1 photo - Juno nicolai " Varzob ", 4 color clones
2 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, Afganistan
3 photo - Juno narbuti, South Tadjikistan
4 photo - Juno leptorrhiza
5 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, northern Afganistan
6 photo - Juno vicaria, Sina
7 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, northern Afganistan
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 04:57:35 PM
Amazing !!!!!  :o :o :o :o :o :o :o

I have never seen anything like it Jan. You have me speechless with those mass pictures. Perfection ;D ;D

Inspirational stuff ....you really have me thinking now  :) :) :) :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on March 06, 2012, 06:15:28 PM
Stunning Jan !!
I also would like to know how do you grow them ? frame ? which kind of soil ?
no species name under pictures... :'( :'( :'( :'( pity  ;)
congratulations,
to you too Hans, as usual very healthy and strong plants, and to everybody sending this jewels !
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 06:38:30 PM
I'm sorry, here are the names of plants

1 photo - Juno nicolai " Varzob ", 4 color clones
2 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, Afganistan
3 photo - Juno narbuti, South Tadjikistan
4 photo - Juno leptorrhiza
5 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, northern Afganistan
6 photo - Juno vicaria, Sina
7 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, northern Afganistan
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 06:45:54 PM
Please don't apologise Jan. There is no need to. Yes, the name is important, but seeing how these plants can be grown and propagated is even more so. Do you need to feed them in some way?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 07:18:35 PM
Dear Maggi

Thank you so much for your help
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: udo on March 06, 2012, 07:20:56 PM
Jan,
welcome in this forum and show many flowers please.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 07:23:03 PM
Dear Dirk, glad to meet you
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 06, 2012, 07:27:40 PM
Dear Maggi

Thank you so much for your help
Thank YOU, Jan! I try to be useful!  ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 06, 2012, 07:42:20 PM
These are wonderfull pictures Jan,
I like the Iris rosenbachiana from northern Afghanistan especially, It's coulor seems to be variable. Do you think it is a seperate (sub)species?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 07:49:24 PM
Thank you Peter
Juno rosenbachiana of Afghanistan is very variable, I have about 10 clones of color.
Give a good seed
For three weeks will flourish.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 06, 2012, 08:06:29 PM
Jan, -Iris narbuti from south Tadjikistan looks very like Iris warleyensis?
Tony Hall's recent paper puts them as close relatives .....
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 08:24:14 PM
In any case, Juno warleyensis massive plant to 60 cm height.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 08:25:43 PM
I really appologize that pictures were without names. and Thank you that you did put names of plants there for me. I am learning, you have a pation with me.
I will epxlain you with pleasure how I'm growing my plants, no secrets. in which ground and what I am fertilizing with.
please give me a bit of time.
I am growing Mother plants in open ground, in order for selling in pots. There is possibility to empty the pot without damaging the bulb.
Today we got Spring too, the first plants of Juno nicolai from Varzoba are started flowering with 4 colors.
I will show them to you tomorrow. Also I have Colchicum kesselringii, Colchicum luteum, Crocus michelsonii, Crocus korolkovii, Crocus alatavicus flowering at the moment.

For the moment all Corydalises are sleeping.


Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 08:33:47 PM
Whenever you are ready Jans, :) :) :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 06, 2012, 08:47:42 PM
Juno nicolai Varzob, 4 colors
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 06, 2012, 08:49:49 PM
Juno thread just raised to another level ??
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 06, 2012, 09:13:12 PM
Dear Jan, no need to apologise... we know it is not easy to  write and understand in our crazy English
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Otto Fauser on March 07, 2012, 06:51:13 AM
Welcome to the best and friendliest Horticultural Forum ,Jan . The variation in the I. rosenbachiana group ,colours and beauty leaves me speechless . Do you think there are at least 4 species present in this group ? =I. rosenbachiana , nicolai , popovii and baldschuanica . We have to wait for Tony Hall,s monograph to appear . Please keep us informed and delighted with more articles and photos ,

                           thank you ,
                                                   Otto.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 07, 2012, 07:49:02 AM
Amazing stuff Jan !!  :o :o :o  They seem to grow like weeds with you !!  ??? ??? ;D
Thanks for showing !
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 07, 2012, 11:42:23 AM
Dear Otto,
J.nicolai, rosenbachiana, baldshuanica, popovii is a very good topic for discussion. I have all kinds of
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 07, 2012, 05:41:39 PM
Two types of Juno Harangon ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 07, 2012, 05:46:35 PM
no comment :-*
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: fleurbleue on March 07, 2012, 05:50:44 PM
Only one, tremendous !!!  :o   ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 07, 2012, 06:01:47 PM
Juno tubergeniana , Juno willmottiana - my greenhouse
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: WimB on March 07, 2012, 06:07:55 PM
Juno tubergeniana , Juno willmottiana - my greenhouse

Jan, you're going to make us all jealous!  ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 07, 2012, 06:08:47 PM
Way too late Wim,  :'( :'(
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 07, 2012, 06:17:51 PM
it is 40 years of work
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: WimB on March 07, 2012, 06:19:47 PM
it is 40 years of work

Jan, I can imagine that took a long time, indeed...but the results are stunning...you should be very proud!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 07, 2012, 06:27:55 PM
I am proud, but his back hurts from that ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: WimB on March 07, 2012, 06:28:56 PM
I am proud, but his back hurts from that ;D

 ;D That, I can imagine too!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 07, 2012, 07:29:29 PM
Its going to be hard to sleep tonight. My mind is whirling 8) 8)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 07, 2012, 07:34:40 PM
Juno rosenbachiana
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 07, 2012, 08:45:07 PM
Fantastic Jan !!! :o :o

Does anybody else have some courage left to post a Juno picture...  :-\ ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 07, 2012, 08:47:32 PM
NO ........ never ever again!!!! :( :( :( :( :( :( :(

Until tomorrow.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Lars S on March 07, 2012, 09:59:57 PM
Hi Jan, you really have a magnificent collection of junos and other bulbs !

I  think that I bought some seeds from you this autumn and I´m very excited to see if they start germinating soon.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on March 08, 2012, 09:38:40 AM
Looks like aril leaves in the foreground of Jan's collection which is amazing.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 08, 2012, 12:19:33 PM
yes the front is Oncocyclus  Iris ewbankiana
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 08, 2012, 12:23:04 PM
Juno tubergeniana, J.magnifica x J.svetlanae
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 08, 2012, 07:25:04 PM
Two junos flowering here this morning, I am not certain of the names....
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 08, 2012, 08:05:40 PM
Thanks Maggie.
I am told that this is Iris nusariensis, and my suspicion that the yellow is Iris bucharica seems correct so it is almost certainly what I once bought as Iris bucharica "Baldschuan Yellow"
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 08, 2012, 08:12:16 PM
Peter, if you want to compare in reply 129 on page 9 of this thread there is a pic of my bucharica 'Baldschuan Yellow' which I got from you.

http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8346.msg233918#msg233918
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 08, 2012, 08:20:39 PM
Thanks David they are the same.
It can now get it's lable back! I knew I had lost track of it when I did not find it's lable while repotting last year.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 08, 2012, 08:22:29 PM
Thanks for edit Maggi, the ever watchful eye ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 08, 2012, 08:42:34 PM
Juno bucharica Tavildara.

Peter, you can compare
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 08, 2012, 08:47:15 PM
Jan, stunning looking I.bucharica.
Is this something new you have recently got?  I dont know of this ever being grown here? Even by the 'experts'??? What is this species about? Please :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 08, 2012, 08:51:22 PM
Thanks Jan, how far apart do they grow? they are a little different to each other.
The Tavildara form has a wider fall.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 08, 2012, 08:55:23 PM
Very similar though, the spot is green on the Baldchuan yellow, is it always brown on Tavil dara?
Are there any yellow forms of Iris vicaria?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 08, 2012, 08:59:36 PM
As I already wrote. It depends on the soil. I think I have a few plants
Is variable. Photo is from nature. I also have a yellow form.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 08, 2012, 09:02:16 PM
I have only form of light yellow Juno Vicario of Turkmenistan
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 08, 2012, 09:16:44 PM
Could you  identify this please Jan? (I grew it from seed -it was labled I parvula  -which it is not)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 09, 2012, 09:34:02 AM
It's Juno vicaria, Chulbair mnt. range, is very variable
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 09, 2012, 09:35:34 AM
white form
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 09, 2012, 11:02:44 AM
spring starts

DSC03545 Juno nicolai
DSC00178 Juno rosenbachiana
DSC00757 Juno baldschuanica
DSC00755 Juno popovii
DSC02055 Juno zaprjagajewii
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on March 09, 2012, 09:28:21 PM
Hi Jan,

Sorry if this has been answered, but are you Jan Jilek of wildbulbs nursery? If so, please could you let me know when this year's offering of bulbs will be posted online?

Absolutely wonderful photos, by the way. What a collection you have.

Alex
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 10, 2012, 06:44:53 PM
I think that the answer is yes Alex.
Jan very good buds  :)
I look forward to the flowers. Here, I have not germinated Iris zapragajewii though I have sown it twice  :(
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 10, 2012, 06:46:34 PM
Is there such a plant Peter? ??? ???
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 10, 2012, 06:56:43 PM
Yes Ron, it has very wide leaves , greyer than rosenbachiana, they are in the same group which have physocaulons, arils on the seeds and the same shape pollen grains (I think).
You can see the wider leaves if you look at Jan's pictures of the new buds coming up.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 10, 2012, 07:12:41 PM
Sounds good to me.  ;D
Perhaps a little bit of root in the future??? ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 10, 2012, 07:24:10 PM
It is said to be a tricky plant -prone to botrytus Ron. I wish I had a root of it!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 10, 2012, 07:28:19 PM
is this it? A wonderfully strong smell. Stronger than Juno maracandica
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 10, 2012, 07:41:52 PM
Is there such a plant Peter? ??? ???

 ;)

The name isn't in the Kew Plant list, is it?
The American Iris Society  says:
Iris zapragajewii Abramov
1971, Abramov

Iris zaprjagajewii Abramov. (N. Abramov, 1971, near Nishup, S. W. Pamir mountains, Russia); Subgenus Scorpiris, (Juno) ; height 4-6" (10-15 cm); 1-3 Flowers, white with yellow crest. 2n=26 Zakharyeva 1985.




John Lonsdale has pix....

http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/plants_album/the%20plants%20-%20%20complete%20collection/Iridaceae/Iris/Subgen%20Scorpiris/I.%20zaparagajewii/slides/Iris%20zapragajewii%200001.html
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 10, 2012, 07:59:56 PM
A wonderfully strong smell. ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 10, 2012, 08:00:38 PM
 yes Maggie, Jan, I believe this is the plant. I think that I once saw it at Kew.
Tony hall places Iris zaprjagajewii  as a sister species to Iris nicolai and Iris baldshuanica. These are placed as cousins to Iris rosenbachiana and Iris popovii and second cousins to Iris leptorrhiza and Iris (Juno) kopetdagensis - [there is an Irodyctum kopetdagensis]

Perhaps the Kew data base needs updating??? ;D

edit re plant names
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 10, 2012, 08:02:47 PM
 :-\
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 10, 2012, 08:05:27 PM
Juno zaprjagajewii
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 10, 2012, 08:12:43 PM
Ok. I didnt know about this species but fine. ;D ;D
What is the difference between this and the nicholai etc.
Fine to me that so and so this is different from that, but please add the why? it is so. Otherwise it is very difficult to know what we grow. Thank you all experts.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 10, 2012, 08:15:45 PM
I would highly advise, grown without any problems.
It is a cousin of J. nicolai, rosenbachiana, popovii, baldshuanica
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 10, 2012, 08:21:11 PM
OK Jan. :-\ :-\ :-\
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 10, 2012, 08:21:41 PM
4 brothers
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 10, 2012, 09:00:10 PM
More Jan, Please  :D
tomorrow will they open?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on March 10, 2012, 10:25:20 PM
 :o :o Jan I can see I need to order more seeds soon.
What a stunning, incredible, super collection!!!!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 10, 2012, 10:32:14 PM
:o :o Jan I can see I need to order more seeds soon.
What a stunning, incredible, super collection!!!!
::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on March 11, 2012, 10:30:01 AM
Iris stenophylla allisonii at Gundogmus pictured just a week ago (more you can see and read at my entry on Crocus pages (Crocotrip with Ibrahim)
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 11, 2012, 12:00:52 PM
a lovely species Janis, different to the form I have because of the veining.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 11, 2012, 12:15:38 PM
I envy, I have a
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on March 11, 2012, 01:00:37 PM
Mouthwatering collection Jan!! :o

Thanks for this great pictures of Iris stenophylla allisonii in nature - did you also find clumps of this species?
It is forming clumps slowly here. (sorry for the bad picture, it was taken in February just after snow and freezing...)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 11, 2012, 01:06:56 PM
nice clumps Hans, it clumps in pots too.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on March 11, 2012, 02:23:33 PM
Mouthwatering collection Jan!! :o

Thanks for this great pictures of Iris stenophylla allisonii in nature - did you also find clumps of this species?
It is forming clumps slowly here. (sorry for the bad picture, it was taken in February just after snow and freezing...)


Didn't see in wild clumps. I think the teritory is heavily grazed and it is nice that it alive there. It can't collect so much food reserves for dividing. Yours are magnificient, Hans. With me it didn't grow very well - I still have it, it sometimes increase, but our conditions here isn't very good for this species (as well as for persica, galatica etc.)
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 11, 2012, 03:49:38 PM
Hans, as in a fairy tale !!! :o :o :o
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on March 12, 2012, 10:04:00 PM
Thanks a lot Peter, Janis and Jan -this species belongs to the 'easier' ones here - I. persica and galatica are more tricky, and Iris rosenbachiana ungrowable.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on March 12, 2012, 10:12:52 PM
I'm just speechless... so  :o :o :o :P ::) :P :'(
THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing all this pictures, but we also can see that Juno isn't an easy section....
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on March 12, 2012, 10:19:14 PM
Hans why do you think Iris rosenbachiana is ungrowable? Do you get it growing from seed and then lose it?
Maybe because it grows at 1000 to 2000 metres - maybe the lowest altitude bulbs might grow.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on March 13, 2012, 10:00:39 AM
Hans why do you think Iris rosenbachiana is ungrowable? Do you get it growing from seed and then lose it?
Maybe because it grows at 1000 to 2000 metres - maybe the lowest altitude bulbs might grow.
In Hans location is far too hot. It is growing but not happy with me in greenhouse, far better grow here on open field, but there it is something risky for extremes of weather, so I'm growing main stocks in greenhouse near doors which stay open to keep them cooler. Outside allways are planted few bulbs and bulb crop is far better regardless of occasional flower or even leaf damage by late spring and night frosts.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on March 13, 2012, 10:15:23 AM
I agree with Janis, I always worry about these bulbs if hot weather arrives early. They grow best when they are cold but not frozen, and they don't like going back to frozen when they start spring growth.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 13, 2012, 11:21:45 AM
I agree with Janis. In nature, Juno blooms very slowly, up to 3 weeks. The temperature around 5-8 C during the day. When the bloom, the temperature does not exceed 10 +12 C.
In my greenhouse, I'm afraid to temperatures above +20 C.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 16, 2012, 11:22:38 AM


 Friends, I will answer all evening. I need to pollinate thousands of blossoms!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on March 16, 2012, 11:53:51 AM
Juno nicolai
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 16, 2012, 02:35:29 PM
Such a variety of I.nicolai. Amazing  :o :o :o
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 17, 2012, 03:01:06 AM
And so beautiful. :) 8)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: udo on March 17, 2012, 12:41:06 PM
Nice Junos, Jan  :-*
Here my J.rosenbachiana from Tovil Dara
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 18, 2012, 01:09:57 PM
After all the beautiful Junos on this thread I hesitated before posting this. Looking second best to a lurking snail- Iris graeberiana
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 19, 2012, 12:04:07 AM
Looks good to me David.

Are those pale spots to the left snail damage?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 19, 2012, 09:17:17 AM
They are Lesley. I don't really have the room to grow them properly and this will be my last Juno season. So glad I tried them though.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 19, 2012, 06:22:42 PM
We've slipped back into 2011 recently ::) ::).
Not quite 'Life on Mars' but can anything be done ? ???
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 19, 2012, 06:32:39 PM
Well  .... I know its a Juno  ???

Make up your own mind,  ::)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 19, 2012, 06:34:40 PM
We've slipped back into 2011 recently ::) ::).
Not quite 'Life on Mars' but can anything be done ? ???
So we had  :o.... I've fixed that... all 2012 posts now in this thread.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 19, 2012, 06:38:04 PM
WOW,  :o
Thanks Maggi, :o
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 19, 2012, 06:46:37 PM
They are Lesley. I don't really have the room to grow them properly and this will be my last Juno season. So glad I tried them though.

Don't tell me you're giving up David...   :-\
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 19, 2012, 06:56:39 PM
Well  .... I know its a Juno  ???

Make up your own mind,  ::)

I'm hopeless at identification Ron but after a quick look through Brian Mathew's "The Iris" I'd say svetlanae That's a sure recipe for someone who really has some expertise to say it's a nice bucharica form ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 19, 2012, 06:58:02 PM
I think this thread was a little in danger of stalling because of the magnificence of a number of posts. I know I was left recoiling, never having seen anything the like. But we can do what we can do. I f we enjoy what we do ... surely enough 8). Nobody judges us David, if you have enjoyed growing them I suggest you keep enjoying them. Nothing wrong with a little selfishness from time to time surely. ;D ;D

And your famous on here for your positive  ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D s
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 19, 2012, 07:00:34 PM
With these David, and the variation I've seen recently, I'm saying ( to some extent!), STUFF the Name, I'm enjoying the growing and the beauty ;D ;D. ( except in Frits where I become incredibly anal!)
See next few days!!
But thanks for making an offer of a 'best guess' :-X ;) ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 19, 2012, 07:04:40 PM
They are Lesley. I don't really have the room to grow them properly and this will be my last Juno season. So glad I tried them though.

Don't tell me you're giving up David...   :-\

Yes, really Luc. Family needs mean that we have to spend increasing amounts of time away from home and it's really difficult to spend the time I used to spend on my plants. Time marches on too and I found last summer's re-potting something of a chore, in past years I've enjoyed it, so I'm going to cut down on the bulbous plants I grow hopefully to a quantity I can manage better. My Junos grow on the floor of the greenhouse in a couple of gravel trays, squashed between the staging, and they need better than that, and I can't give them the space they need. They are going to a good home though.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 19, 2012, 07:26:56 PM
 :), Ah thats different. Hope everythings OK. Iv'd loved seeing your Juno's. ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 20, 2012, 10:42:48 AM
I.magnifica
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 20, 2012, 11:04:29 AM
Magnificent Ron !
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 20, 2012, 11:44:17 AM
Thanks Luc. ; :)
Its a commoner, but surely none the worse for that?
It's peak Juno time, and I'm hoping everyone will post their pictures whatever species / hybrids they are. Hope to see them all. ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arilnut on March 20, 2012, 05:36:54 PM
Some Juno's in Kansas.

Baldshuan Yellow
Magnifica
Willmottiana Skyline

John B
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 20, 2012, 06:02:43 PM
Very, very nice John. :) :)
Beautifully grown, healthy strong plants. :) :)
Are they uncovered all year in this bed? Do you regularly lift and seperate?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arilnut on March 20, 2012, 06:31:18 PM
Hi Ron. I do not cover anything out there.  Juno's and Onco's take my weather
just fine. If a plant cannot survive outside here I stop trying after loosing it a couple times.
Skyline only had 2 years, Mag. and Bald. been there for many years.

John B
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 20, 2012, 06:33:51 PM
They look well established John :o
Very impressive. :)
Any more?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on March 20, 2012, 09:52:53 PM
I do grow some Juno irises too, apart Iris planifolia. This is a very dark selection of Iris aucheri, called Shooting Star, which seems quite vigorous
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arilnut on March 21, 2012, 12:02:59 AM
They look well established John :o
Very impressive. :)
Any more?

I have Mag. Agalak, Aucheri, Warlsind, Wollmottiana Alba, Graeberiana yellow and white fall,
Warleyensis, Bucharica Top Gold, Russian Kavalregard.

John B
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 21, 2012, 01:56:59 PM
Gorgeous I.aucheri Angelo.  :) :). I think it should probably be I. aucheri 'Olaf' now ( I think'Shooting Star' was taken by another Iris, somebody will tell us). But who cares? Its a real beauty  ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 21, 2012, 01:59:42 PM
WOW, quite a collection John B. Looking forward immensely to seeing those, ;) :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 21, 2012, 02:27:00 PM
One from me for today.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arilnut on March 21, 2012, 04:54:57 PM
Here is Warlsind today in the rain.

John B
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arilnut on March 21, 2012, 04:59:00 PM
Just as a reference here is an overall of my property.

John B
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: LucS on March 21, 2012, 06:51:40 PM
There is no point in trying to beat the posts of Jan of course.
But we can try with this juno nusairiensis  ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 21, 2012, 06:58:41 PM
What others are you growing Angelo? Are they in pots or open ground?

Lovely 'Warlsind' John. I've never seen this before and it is very nice. From your picture of your property it appears your plants grow in some shade from the trees, Is this correct? You seem to have had some heavy rain over the past few days there John. Is this normal for this time of year?

And what a try ;D ;D :o :o 8). Superb Luc.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arilnut on March 21, 2012, 07:07:34 PM

Lovely 'Warlsind' John. I've never seen this before and it is very nice. From your picture of your property it appears your plants grow in some shade from the trees, Is this correct? You seem to have had some heavy rain over the past few days there John. Is this normal for this time of year?


Yes Ron most beds get partial shade and some heavy shade. Yes spring can be a little wet
but it drys quick once the sun comes back.

John
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on March 21, 2012, 08:15:09 PM
What others are you growing Angelo? Are they in pots or open ground?

I grow, I. planifolia, palaestina, aucheri, graeberiana, bucharicha, magnifica, plus some hybrids. I also grow cycloglossa but this species is not very happy in my climate, being too warm for it. They are all in the open ground
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 21, 2012, 08:23:49 PM
A most lovely collection Angelo. :) :) :) Hope you can picture them for us.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on March 21, 2012, 09:27:02 PM
John you don't have council footpaths and can plant to the road? That is not possible in suburbs here in Oz. The councils LOVE to spray all the verges to the roads. Do you think you might start getting root competition in time?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Otto Fauser on March 21, 2012, 10:03:09 PM
Luc , what a heavenly blue colour of your I. nussairiensis -is it true .
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arilnut on March 22, 2012, 12:36:35 AM
John you don't have council footpaths and can plant to the road? That is not possible in suburbs here in Oz. The councils LOVE to spray all the verges to the roads. Do you think you might start getting root competition in time?


Hi Pat. I assume you are refering to "sidewalks" .  I am in an older addition on the edge
of town and there are not sidewalks on my small side street. I am only 1 block from
the country,  ie. wheat fields. The roadsides and ditches do not get much spraying
around here. Competition,  naaaaah.

John B
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 22, 2012, 08:22:41 AM
I really like this one  :). Even though its quite squat, and obviously not the brightest colours, I think it has something going for it. 8)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: LucS on March 22, 2012, 09:01:52 AM
Luc , what a heavenly blue colour of your I. nussairiensis -is it true .
The intensity of the blue colour varies a bit between different plants. This one is rather dark blue.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 23, 2012, 10:48:13 AM
Another white and yellow / orange one.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on March 23, 2012, 03:08:26 PM
Three forms of I. rosenbackiana and
I. pseudocaucasica from Iran (identified by Tony)
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: udo on March 24, 2012, 07:20:30 PM
Janis, your Junos looks very good.
Here is my first flower from J. kuschakewiczii and J.hyppolyti or hippotyti. This is the question ???

 Edit by Maggi: second iris identified as Juno coerulea
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 24, 2012, 07:28:59 PM

 J.hyppolyti or hippotyti. This is the question ???

Kew Plant list: Iris hippolyti (Vved.) Kamelin is an accepted name

This name is the accepted name of a species in the genus Iris (family Iridaceae).

The record derives from iPlants which reports it as an accepted name (record 321940) with original publication details: Redk. Ischez. Vidy Fl. SSSR ed. 2: 102 1981.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: udo on March 24, 2012, 07:33:39 PM
Many thanks, Maggi  :D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Alex on March 24, 2012, 09:54:31 PM
A small offering - I. pseudocapnoides.

Alex
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on March 25, 2012, 07:45:52 AM
Janis, your Junos looks very good.
Here is my first flower from J. kuschakewiczii and J.hyppolyti or hippotyti. This is the question ???
Sorry Dirk, but your hippolytii looks as wilmottiana. Of course can't see details but such is my first opinion. What is your source?
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on March 25, 2012, 10:38:01 AM
Janis superb photos of such well grown junos.
It is always good to have an expert tell us if we are growing something different to what we thought we had bought and grown.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on March 25, 2012, 12:53:29 PM
Some of Iris stenophylla complex.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: udo on March 25, 2012, 08:00:47 PM
Janis, your Junos looks very good.
Here is my first flower from J. kuschakewiczii and J.hyppolyti or hippotyti. This is the question ???
Sorry Dirk, but your hippolytii looks as wilmottiana. Of course can't see details but such is my first opinion. What is your source?
Janis
Many thanks Janis for your hint. It is my mistake, the pot with Juno hippolyti
stand beside and is without flower. I receive the plant on the picture under Juno coerulea from a nursery in Germany.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on March 25, 2012, 08:18:27 PM
Superb selection Janis !!!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on March 25, 2012, 09:39:54 PM
Wow, superb plants Dirk and Janis - especially the different stenopyllas are great!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arilnut on March 26, 2012, 02:57:37 AM
More Juno's in Kansas.

Graeberiana Yellow Fall
Russian Kavalregard  x 2

John B
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: David Nicholson on March 26, 2012, 08:12:56 PM
Any more information on Kavalregard John, it's one I haven't heard of before.

One of mine, Iris vicaria 'Varsob'

Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on March 26, 2012, 10:14:22 PM
Kavalregard is listed by Leonid Bondarenko, David.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 27, 2012, 09:08:44 AM
And was by Pitcairn Alpines last year also.
Nice clean I.vicaria David. Are you sure we wont see it next year from you?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on March 31, 2012, 01:51:58 PM
Some more Juno, Iris Morning Sky (magnifica x willmottiana) and I. magnifica Agalik. There two increase very well in the ground. I grow them in partial shade.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on March 31, 2012, 08:24:00 PM
Beautiful plants Angelo, 8) 8) 8).

Please keep showing them. :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Oron Peri on April 08, 2012, 05:27:49 PM
Two forms of Iris aucheri from south Jordan, plants are shorter this year due to very little rain in it's habitat.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on April 08, 2012, 06:45:03 PM
You were very lucky to find it flowering now !!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on April 17, 2012, 07:54:39 PM
Several Iris aucheri forms blooming just now.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on April 17, 2012, 08:05:21 PM
Beautiful Janis,  8) 8) 8)

How would you describe the soil you use to grow them please?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on April 17, 2012, 08:42:57 PM
Beautiful Janis,  8) 8) 8)

How would you describe the soil you use to grow them please?
My standart mix is 1 part of loam, 1 part of peat moss, 2 parts of coarse sand + dolomite chalk up to pH 6,5 + complex fertilizer with microelements. Works for most bulbs.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on April 17, 2012, 08:51:11 PM
That's really interesting Janis, thank you. I suspect I may have had some issues due to the use ,on my part, of sharp grit. I notice you don't use grit. I was worried that while I may have ' got away with it' for now I was building up problems. Thanks for your explanation of your mix. You have reinforced my suspicions :) :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on April 17, 2012, 08:58:02 PM
That's really interesting Janis, thank you. I suspect I may have had some issues due to the use ,on my part, of sharp grit. I notice you don't use grit. I was worried that while I may have ' got away with it' for now I was building up problems. Thanks for your explanation of your mix. You have reinforced my suspicions :) :)
I can't buy grit here :'(
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on April 17, 2012, 09:09:03 PM
Possibly a good thing! ;D
I asked because your plants grow so beautifully. ;D Mine do too ;D. But often when I come to repot I notice big scars on the roots corresponding to sharpness in the grit of the mix. So far I have had to 'grin and bear it' being too scared to change what has been a great growing mix for me. I wondered if grit was necessary? but all the literature seems to say 'more the merrier. Also a forumist who grows these wonderfully seems to use almost pure grit!. But the damage to the new root growths bothers me. If you can grow this beautifully without it then so can I and I'm inspired to try your style mix later this year. Thank you.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on April 17, 2012, 10:43:14 PM
Nice forms of aucheri, Janis !
I see you call some aucheri 'giant' and 'large', do you refer to the flower size or the plant size?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on April 18, 2012, 10:14:44 PM
Juno baldshuanica x Juno rosenbachiana
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on April 19, 2012, 12:49:26 AM
Jan that is a nice cross.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on April 21, 2012, 10:55:00 AM

will flourish Juno parvula from western Afghanistan
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Jan on April 21, 2012, 11:55:18 AM
Juno baldshuanica
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on April 30, 2012, 07:45:48 PM
The latest of the group, I know for some of you it's almost a weed, but it's not at all easy in a climate like mine
Iris cycloglossa
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on May 01, 2012, 12:50:35 AM
Angelo,
That is a lovely juno - I have not grown it yet.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: ronm on May 02, 2012, 02:08:07 PM
I.cycloglossa

Currently filling the small greenhouse with the most wonderful scent.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: olegKon on May 18, 2012, 05:25:13 PM
The first Junos I have ever flowered are from Susan Band. I'm happy to have them. Russian Kavalergard (White) and New Argument (blue)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: arillady on May 19, 2012, 11:52:37 AM
Oleg they seem pretty happy and settled in your world.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 14, 2012, 06:48:18 AM
Second Juno for us is one we got from Marcus Harvey: Iris wilmottiana 'Skyline'
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on September 14, 2012, 10:08:20 AM
Looks great Fermi !  And incredibly healthy and well grown !!  :D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on September 14, 2012, 08:23:43 PM
I think that skyline is a hybrid of wilmottiana , but a great plant.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 18, 2012, 08:25:58 AM
I think that skyline is a hybrid of wilmottiana , but a great plant.
And it looks even better today!
I didn't realise that there would be flowers from the axil buds as well!
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on September 18, 2012, 09:16:32 AM
 :D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on December 01, 2012, 08:15:46 PM
The first of the I rosenbachiana types is flowering here, today  :D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on December 01, 2012, 11:05:38 PM
Great Peter!

Here I. planifolias bloomed and today I spotted I. palaestina in flower.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on December 02, 2012, 08:38:51 AM
after the hard winters Hans......... >:(

Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on December 02, 2012, 08:06:55 PM
 :o - remember me later this year, perhaps... ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on December 03, 2012, 03:56:04 PM
Hans, is Iris planifolia native on the Balearics too? I have them in flower now, in several shades of blue. This species if found in Sicily and Sardinia in Italy
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: bulborum on December 03, 2012, 04:23:54 PM
I found Iris planifolia also in Portugal
this week (if no frost here) one week off to Sardinia
I hope to find some beauties
are there suggestions which part I absolute have to see
maybe I can make some nice pictures from Iris planifolia

Roland
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on December 03, 2012, 05:03:15 PM
Roland, I have been told it is more common in the SE, that is around Cagliari. However in the period this would be the only bulbous species you can find
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: bulborum on December 03, 2012, 06:31:09 PM
Well I will have a look around Cagliari for the Iris
I hope also to find nice leaved ambrosinia , arisarum , arum nigrum , Drimia and maybe the first Crocus minimus

Roland
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on December 10, 2012, 10:08:07 AM
Hans, is Iris planifolia native on the Balearics too? I have them in flower now, in several shades of blue. This species if found in Sicily and Sardinia in Italy
Angelo, Iris planifolia is not native on the Balearic Islands, but grows fine here.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: bulborum on December 10, 2012, 05:51:08 PM
Not a single Juno more to the north
I found ambrosinia , arisarum , arum nigrum , Drimia
it seems there are plenty Cyclamen repandum
but they where still sleeping

We swapped B&B now 40 km north of Cagliari
we have a look if we can see here Iris planifolia
and we try to see a red leaved Ambrosinia
I will post a picture when we find one

Roland

Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 10, 2012, 09:57:35 PM
Good luck Roland  ;)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Janis Ruksans on December 24, 2012, 09:36:10 AM
New Juno Iris just was described by Guner and Tony Hall - Iris peshmeniana. I offered it in my last catalogue as Iris species nova and used its picture for front cover.
Here some pictures of it made in my collection and in wild - plants in seeds are pictured by me during my last visit at its locus classicus, picture with Iris peshmeniana in flowers at locus classicus I got from Tony Hall, but I don't know who made this picture.
Janis
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on December 24, 2012, 09:44:47 AM
Thankyou for the name and pictures Janis.
...The leaves look similar to I aucheri
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 24, 2012, 09:49:25 AM
Another nice species ! love it
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: bulborum on December 24, 2012, 10:44:02 AM
Well I am back home
We did not find a single Iris planifolia found north of Cagliari
also no red leaved Ambrosina
on Facebook you can see the leaf-forms we found from Ambrosina

https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bulborum/452518118130496?sk=photos_albums (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bulborum/452518118130496?sk=photos_albums)

no time for visiting the city to see the Iris planifolia there
there must be plenty around the castle
so something to do for the next time

Roland
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 24, 2012, 10:50:39 AM
Pity for you, but I hope you will have more chance next time !
Where did the iris planifolia pictures taken on Facebook pages ?
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 24, 2012, 02:37:13 PM
Thank's Roland, but you shouldn't put so precise locations.. I think it's better for the plants  :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: bulborum on December 24, 2012, 07:09:54 PM
The where hundred thousands of them
maybe you are right
but there where no special ones to see (and to dig up)
The interesting sites I keep secret
just for my friends who I trust

Roland
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 25, 2012, 12:29:52 AM
 :)
merry Christmas !!!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: bulborum on December 25, 2012, 08:12:51 AM
:) merry Christmas !!!  :)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on December 25, 2012, 05:17:39 PM
 8)  8) Iris peshmeniana for Christmas  ;D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 25, 2012, 09:39:01 PM
Well done peter ! Nice Christmas gift :-)
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Luc Gilgemyn on December 28, 2012, 03:11:28 PM
Iris planifolia is flowering for the first time with me !  :D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 28, 2012, 04:09:49 PM
Superb ! Spring is coming Luc  :D
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on December 30, 2012, 10:50:04 AM
A very poor picture of an Iris rosenbachiana form which flowerd before Christmas, and Iris persica flowering now from a little root which I was given 4 years ago.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: bulborum on December 30, 2012, 11:12:50 AM
Well
after three years waiting
this White Iris planifolia baby I collected in Sicily flowers
Not sure if the baby was also pure white
but ....................YES
Iris planifolia Sicilian White

Roland
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 30, 2012, 11:18:55 AM
Well done Roland ! Superb White form !!
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on December 30, 2012, 11:42:25 AM
beautiful Roland. I remember Tony Hall suggesting that the white forms of I planifolia had a gene which predisposed it to weak growth and contracting virus.

I grew white and blue forms together in a large pot, the  white plant grew well but the blue was virused and gave it to the white one, so now I grow them all in seperate pots, and try to have the babies seperate.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: bulborum on December 30, 2012, 11:44:27 AM
And now is the waiting if he (or she) starts multiplying
so I can share this beauty
I will try to pollinate too

Roland
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: bulborum on December 30, 2012, 11:46:33 AM
Peter

did you get seeds from the white one
or do you need cross pollination

Roland
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: PeterT on December 30, 2012, 12:24:46 PM
I did not get seeds from those plants Roland, I think that most Junos can self pollinate, but it  is easier to get seeds with two clones. Some Junos self more easily than others but I believe that the size of the plant and how well it is growing might also be important.
I have been told that most Iris have a very long pollen tube, so for the ovary to be fertilised they should be pollinated in the morning when the sun gets warm, and kept warm until night.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on December 31, 2012, 09:05:23 AM
of course Iris planifolia grows much better in the ground, where possible. Mine are in full flowering now. I agree that the white one is much weaker, I do have one and it struggles from years. I have raised some hundreds from seed and got a nice variability in colouring, but no whites so far.
Title: Re: Juno (Scorpiris) season 2012
Post by: Hans A. on December 31, 2012, 01:34:40 PM
Fantastic plants everyone! -  I did not notice  white planifolias are much weaker (but produce less offsets)- seedlings of my white plants are growing much stronger than my blue ones sown the same day - hope they will be true to colour. As I remember mine came from a white population of spanish mainland, so I think the chances to get white ones again is not bad.
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