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Specific Families and Genera => Iris => Topic started by: Oron Peri on January 07, 2012, 08:48:59 AM
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A couple of beauties are blooming this morning,
A Blue form of I. palaestina and the long awaited Iris edomensis
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Both utterly amazingly beautiful. Well done Oron.
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You're right Pat,
Both are jewels :o :o
The blue form is stunning, and I. edomensis... you know what I think about it :) ;D
Thank's for posting this pictures Oron
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Oron , I can not put it better than Pat Toolan : both utterly amazingly beautyful !Is the blue colour form of I. palaestina common ?
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Phantastic, Oron. Pity no one of both are growable here even in greenhouse.
Janis
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Janis, I really think I. edomensis is one of the most difficult junos to grow, greenhouse or not >:(
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heart flutter! Wow.
thanks for sharing, Oron,
Jamie
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Congratulations Oron, a fantastic achievement.
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Many congrats, Oron !
Fantastic blooms !
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Thank you every one, glad i can share these with you,
otherwise only my cats see and walk on these wonders.. ;)
Oron , Is the blue colour form of I. palaestina common ?
Otto,
Occasionally I. palaestina is bluish when start to open but soon fade to its normal white, rarely one can find a blue form which remains such.
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A Blue form of I. palaestina and the long awaited Iris edomensis
Wow! Fantastic plants Oron! :o
Some Junos are flowering actually, here some pics of Iris planifolia alba, Iris planifolia, Iris persica and Iris stenophylla var. alisonii.
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Beautifull clumps Hans. I lost all my planifolias to the cold last winter but new seedlings are growing. Wonderfull white persica, I hope I get some whites and yellows in the seeds I have sown, and allisonii is a favorit of mine too. They are just up here.
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Beautiful, Oron!
Especially I. edomensis :o
Have you seen it in bloom in Jordan?
Do you place it protected from the rain?
Hans, what a fantastic collection!
Here I. planifolia is also in bloom.
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Thanks Hans and Miriam,
Marvellous plants Hans, by the way your planifolia is doing really well here and flowered 3 weeks ago.
Miriam it is still too dry in the Edom Mountains, we are planing on going in February.
I grow I. edomensis as dry as possible, and move it undercover when it rains, also it is grown in a small terracotta pot filled half way with gravel so that soil dries quickly then from March, keeping it for 8 months in the hottest spot with not one drop of water.
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Here is one of I. edomensis habitats.
It is endemic to the Edom Mountains in Jordan.
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Thanks Oron for the cultural practices you use for I. edomensis and the native habitat photos - that is essential information.
Hans you have some brilliant plants - did you grow from seed or start from bulbs/rhizomes?
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Herewith a nice form of Iris persica, here in Belgium the first juno of the year. Never so early!
Hendrik
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Herewith a nice form of Iris persica, here in Belgium the first juno of the year. Never so early!
Hendrik
Very good, Rik!
Janis
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Herewith a nice form of Iris persica, here in Belgium the first juno of the year. Never so early!
Hendrik
Very good, Rik!
Janis
Thank you very much Janis for your comment.
I hope you will forgive me that I post the first picture of the "Juno species nova" from your brand new catalogue because it's more than a beauty!
Those who want his catalogue 2012 on-line, just send Janis an email: janis.bulb@hawk.lv
Hendrik
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Thank you, Rik. This juno is real beauty, but I have only very few... :(
Janis
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Is this the Iris "aff Nusariensis" which was in Jim Archibald's seed list three years ago?
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What fantastic irises and my grateful thanks to those showing them. Most of those above we will never see in New Zealand or even at all!
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I'm sure you could grow most of them Lesley, almost all species are on your permitted seed list; all it takes is seeds, luck and a lot of patience, - the same as for the rest of us.
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Not parvula nor edomensis though! Actually, quite a few seem to have been added since I last looked and I need to look up the conditions but it seems maybe irises (dormant bulbs) don't have to be quarantined now. Level 2 before, now Level 1 which means I could bring in some histrio aintabensis and some others from Marcus. We'll see.
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It took me six years to obtain a bulb of parvula Lesley, and I still have only one clone. It took seven years before I was given some seeds of it by a very kind friend, (they have yet to be germinated). All other seeds that ever grew which were labled parvula were either vicaria or something similar. As for histrio aint, seeds of it are quite available if rarely.
I have been growing junos for nearly 40 years- since I was a toddler, edomensis is a holy grail unless you happen to live in its native home.
Good luck with importing bulbs, but remember we all have to work hard to cultivate rare plants, not just those of you in New Zealand. They are rare in cultivation for a reason -either hard to obtain or hard to grow, and usually both.
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Of course I realize all this Peter, and you, yourself have been very generous to me with iris seed. I wish I could reciprocate. My comments were rueful rather than anything else.
It was especially good to see I. edomensis with Oron because previously I had thought the only person ever to cultivate it successfully was Tony Hall. I don't aspire to joint that august and highly skilled company, only to look and admire. You mustn't condemn me for dreaming though. :)
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One of the most difficult species to grow ( my opinion ;) ) is flowering now: Iris edomensis, a bit early too but we have a warm and humid weather at the moment. This species doesn't like water at all at the end of growing cycle, and need dry rest period for the all summer.
Credit where it is due, Fred posted this.
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Fred's plant is superb on page 23 but so is Oron's on page 20. Credit to both gentlemen surely, and their superb skills. I was also carried away by the incredibly harsh landscape Oron showed, the home of I. edomensis. The mature plant seems to be holding a seed pod rather than a bud. Good news for the future of this stunning bulb in its habitat.
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Is this the Iris "aff Nusariensis" which was in Jim Archibald's seed list three years ago?
Yes.
Janis
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Thankyou Janis, they are growing :D,
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Beautifull as usual Hans and Hendrick.. Iris season never end ;D
By the way, we should ask our favorite moderator to open the Juno 2012 season ;D
Hans, the I. stenophylla is :o :o
Here, only Iris palaestina is flowering now, the other species are just starting to show some points.
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By the way, we should ask our favorite moderator to open the Juno 2012 season ;D
Yes, it is time you were rescued to the new year!
Beautiful Iris, all of them - such skilled growers here. 8)
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Iris galatica today.
Alex
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Attaching the pics would help...
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Attaching the pics would help...
I thought you were just playing hard to get...... ;)
Spring is on the go with your plants it seems :)
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Hummmm, delicious ! Looks like a sweet ;D
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Nice colour variations Alex and Hendrik,
galatica is only just showing here, narbuti and aucheri are the most advanced but the rosenbachianas are moving now.
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Beautiful plants Hendrik, Janis and Alex!
Hans you have some brilliant plants - did you grow from seed or start from bulbs/rhizomes?
Thanks Pat, if possible I start from seeds -it takes much longer but it is more satisfying when you see it flowering after a few years and you know you can grow it- I always feel bad when I loose a bulb or rhizome and think how many years it was grown by a skilled person before ... ::)
Several Junos (and Reticulata) are in flower - here i show my actual favorites: a fine pale form of Iris persica and the colourful Iris fosteriana:
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Both equally wonderful Hans !!
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I. fosteriana is :o :o :o congratulation for such success Hans
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That is a beautifull clump of fosteriana Hans, It has been difficult to keep going here the past two winters.
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Beautiful plants Hendrik, Janis and Alex!
Hans you have some brilliant plants - did you grow from seed or start from bulbs/rhizomes?
Thanks Pat, if possible I start from seeds -it takes much longer but it is more satisfying when you see it flowering after a few years and you know you can grow it- I always feel bad when I loose a bulb or rhizome and think how many years it was grown by a skilled person before ... ::)
Several Junos (and Reticulata) are in flower - here i show my actual favorites: a fine pale form of Iris persica and the colourful Iris fosteriana:
Lovely plants and so healthy. Hans you are able to grow these so well 8)
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Wonderful flowers Alex and Hans!
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Hans I. fosteriana is certainly distinctive and lovely. Both are pretty special.
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geat job!, guys. Oron, Edom Mt. Range is an amazing place! I would like to jump bewteen all this rocks looking for plants!.
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Just got unpleasant news from Tony Hall - DNA research found that plant which I and Zhirair and someone else grew (and were very proud of it) as Iris atropatana - really is only Iris pseudocaucasica. It is allways very poor feeling when you see that plant which you supposed as great rarity turns nothing very special and really is quite common. But pseudocaucasica isn't too often offered in catalogues. So it isn't reason to fall in depression. Keep smiling!
Janis
Just found that name under picture remained atropatana - it must be corrected to pseudocaucasica.
edit by maggi: photo file renamed
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What are the features which seperate them Janis?
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What are the features which seperate them Janis?
I didn't saw true atropatana and turned that I haven't it. Up to last Friday I supposed that mine is true. It was said that difference is in shape of falls. I suppose that true plant must be in Kew because Tony wrote me:
"the two I. atropatana you kindly sent me from Armenia 2 years ago, are both Armenian Iris pseudocaucasica and not true I. atropatana, which is a very different taxon."
Janis
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I have just been reading his paper but apart from his placing autropatana in the follwing group: postii, caucasica, nezahataie, caucasica turcica, hymenospata leptoneura, persica, edomensis, autropatana, hymenospata, fosteriana, pseudocaucasica; fosteriana and pseudocaucasica are sisters, and cousins to the rest of this group, I have written the names in the sequence that they appear on the chart, I haven't worked out the physical diferences between the two species from the paper yet.
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First Juno in flower for me this year was a surprise - Iris Sindpers, given to me by a very kind forumist in 2010.
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Janis
Even though your Juno turned out not to be rare, the plant is a stunner and so different from most pseudocaucasica.
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I like it too Art, and to me a different form of a species is a different plant!
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First Juno in flower for me this year was a surprise - Iris Sindpers, given to me by a very kind forumist in 2010.
Very nice Peter. It looks as though Warlsind is going to be my first.
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Janis
Even though your Juno turned out not to be rare, the plant is a stunner and so different from most pseudocaucasica.
Mostly we know Turkish pseudocaucasicas which are quite uniform, but in earlier "soviet" Talish they are very variable by color. Unfortunately I lost them in "pre-greenhouse" period. The plants from Iranian side are similar to their neighbours North of border and quite variable, too.
Janis
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Well, on that report, mine is going straight to the compost pile!
I wish you more tolerance...
Janis
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Some lovely plants on this thread
Here is one of mine flowering at the moment Iris nicolai
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Naw,
Not harsh at all. I've only got so much space, and alot of Junos. I'll find some little corner in the greenhouse for I.
pseudocaucasica, but not front bench.
Hello eveyone.
Welcome,the answer here is surely to give it to somebody who would like it. 'If it is spare then share'
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Some lovely plants on this thread
Here is one of mine flowering at the moment Iris nicolai
Seems that it is Varzob form?
Janis
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Lovely Ian.
Tony I was considering whether to jump in on this; Iris pseuducaucassica is quite uncommon and no less desirable for it's name correction. It is just as lovely as it was a week ago!
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Some lovely plants on this thread
Here is one of mine flowering at the moment Iris nicolai
Seems that it is Varzob form?
Janis
Janis the plant originated I believe from Pilous I know no more than this. Perhaps you can say more?
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Some lovely plants on this thread
Here is one of mine flowering at the moment Iris nicolai
Seems that it is Varzob form?
Janis
Janis the plant originated I believe from Pilous I know no more than this. Perhaps you can say more?
I judged by flower colour - at Varzob are yellowish forms - seem it is even more yellow than mine.
Janis
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Iris x 'Sindpers', today in the garden. ::)
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We have just seen on the TV news the snow in the Balearics, Hans, so this was not a shock to us.... but it must have been a shock to the Iris! :o
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Yes, specially for the flowering ones, hope they will suffer less than me actually... :-\
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Nice pic Hans :o
But don't complain :D... here it's around -9 every day and night, and may be for one more week... >:( ???
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Good luck Hans, What is the temperature with you? Take off any damaged flowers when they melt. Here it is cold too, not as cold as Freds though, but mostly the Junos are waiting still.
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Thanks Fred and Peter, temperature actually is about 3ºC, but last night it was below 0ºC as the frozen pond indicates - have already removed damaged flowers of the blooming Junos to avoid Botrytis, here the main reason for loosing Junos.
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Season is just opened with a few first flowering plants :)
Juno leptorhiza.jpg
Juno planifolia var alba.jpg
Juno svetlanae.jpg
Juno narbutii.jpg
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wonderfull pictures Gerhard, and some difficult species to grow well!
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I posted this galatica a few weeks ago, since which it has put up another shoot which is also flowering - a nice surprise!
Alex
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galatica does form clumps, very usefull of it, Persica even more so in my experiance. Congratulations Alex.
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Thank you, Peter. Sadly, my persica didn't form a clump, or even a viable bulb! It was a beautiful one from Janis, too.
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Contact me in the Summer- depends how it grows this season.
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Will do! I hope I will have something you might like in return.
Cheers,
Alex
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I. narbutii.
This was a week ago, and has been posted elsewhere. But now I'm here I thought, why not?
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Lovely to see these, Ron. So many Iris lovers around here ( you'll see the numbers that watch the various Iris pages) that will appreciate seeing your plants.
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Thanks Maggi.
I have been a follower of the discussions for a while now, and finally felt I had to jump in. I've so much to learn from all the contibutors here and aspire to the standards so often displayed on these pages. I've just got so many questions! Truly a fantastic resource for new and experienced, young and old, alike.
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I've seen a number of your plants in the AGS pages, Ron and I am sure you will have some good tips to share with us on your growing methods.
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Always willing to share Maggi.
When I first started I was given some plants by an experienced grower. I offered to pay but he refused. He said ' when I lose them you can give me some back'. Never forgot him and live by his creed.
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The best way to get new plants Ronm !! ;) :)
Congratulation, your I. narbutii is gorgeous
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very good plants Ron, how long have you been growing narbuti, do you protect it from freezing?
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Thanks Fred. Interesting that its 'twin' which was planted in a seperate pot and around 2cm. deeper is just poking its nose through the grit. Otherwise both have been treated identically. Makes it difficult to answer when people ask ' when does this or that plant flower?'
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Great to see another iris grower on this forum and beautiful plant Ron.
I am also hoping that all in the northern hemisphere do not get too much snow in climates that are not used to it.
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Thanks Peter. Had this plant three years from a two year old seedling from a plant fair. This plant froze solid for weeks last year in its pot, and only put up badly damaged small leaves a year ago. When I came to investigate it in September there were two very nice bulbs , covered in dead black sludge. After cleaning, splitting and re potting this is the result. Conclusions .....unsure yet!
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You were lucky, not a common plant at a fair! They usually freeze with me, but freezing while in flower can cause the mushy flower to infect the bulb with botrytis, and they hate prolonged freezing after top growth has started. Congratulations for keeping it over Summer.
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Great to have you here Ron ! :D
I. narbuti looks just as heavenly out here as on the other pages ! ;D
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Thanks so much for the kind welcomes. I hope I can add something to what you all have built up here. Such a vast wealth of experience and a great collective of questioning, challenging minds.
The glasshouse I use for the Junos has a naturally dry atmosphere and I do everything I can to maintain that ( rightly or wrongly ), and as such never , to date, have suffered with moulds of any kind above soil level. This even extends to old crocus flowers which are notorious for causing issues. { tempting fate !!? }.
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I. narbutii.
This was a week ago, and has been posted elsewhere. But now I'm here I thought, why not?
Superb! :o :o :o
Janis
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Thank you Janis.
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Early this week Fred Depalle [BULBISSIME] and my self went to Jordan to look for Juno Irises.
There are not less then 5 species growing in Jordan. Seems we were the only nuts to walk in the mountains at this time of the year...
It was too early for most of the species as rains came very late this year and the south of Jordan is completely dry yet.
Luckily!! [after 6 years for me] we have found Iris edomensis in full bloom, it is a small species but really breathtaking.
Here are some samples.
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are all the plants solitary Oron?
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Wow the variations are amazing - and all that lovely pollen they produce!
It is one of the maybe one day if stocks build up and it gets off the really rare status.
Thanks Oron for posting these. It does look very parched and this is your winter.
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Oron
I lioke them all, but the dark one...
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Oron,
wonderful plants.
Arthur can have the dark one, I'll take the whitest ;) :P
The colour of the whitest one reminded me of one of thoses white crab-spiders, don't know why, but I think they're lovely!
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Now they are, to me, what the Junos are all about. :) :) Superb! Thank you for sharing them Oron.
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Terrific forms of I. edomensis, Oron!! :o looking also for Miriam and Fred pictures, also like last year, I would like to see pictures of the superb picnic (I imagine...!) with Miri's foods!! ;D
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My first Juno of the season, Iris 'Warlsind'. About a month earlier than last season and I didn't start watering until mid-October this time whereas last season I started early September.
By the way got an email from Amazon this morning to say that at looooong last the copy of the re-print I ordered eons ago of "A Guide to Species Irises:Their Identification and Cultivation" is likely to be shipped at the end of this month.
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By the way got an email from Amazon this morning to say that at looooong last the copy of the re-print I ordered eons ago of "A Guide to Species Irises:Their Identification and Cultivation" is likely to be shipped at the end of this month.
I received my copy yesterday, almost a year to the day from when I ordered it. I have to say I'm delighted with it. The descriptions of species are more detailed and systematic than in Mathew or Kolhein, making it a better resource for identifying plants one is unsure of.
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Hope mine will be here soon too Tom. Sounds good.
A nice suprise for me today was this I svetlaneae flowering for me for the first time from seed. I selfed the parent in '07 and sowed the seed Dec '07. I only got 7 seed and have only managed to bring 3 through. This is the first to flower for me, and I dont think the other 2 will do it this year. We have had a warmer spell for the last few days and this came from nowhere. ;D ;D ;D
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pics
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Just seen a number of new Juno pics on the SIGNA site. These are attributed to Tony Hall, Junos in cultivation at Kew, 12th Feb 2012, posted by the New Zealand Iris Society. Was this a special talk, an article for a journal or something other? Am I missing something and this information is 'old hat'. Would love to know as Junos are my second love, and any info. (esp. from T.Hall esq. ) is most welcome.
There are a number of species, e.g. this link to I. parvula, http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-parvula+2+2 (http://www.signa.org/index.pl?Display+Iris-parvula+2+2)
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Well done with the svetlaneae Ron, very nice indeed.
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Many thanks everyone.
are all the plants solitary Oron?
Peter, yes often solitary, rarely populations up to 20 -30 plants but quite distant from each other.
One flower, occasionally 2 flowers in mature plants.
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Terrific forms of I. edomensis, Oron!! :o looking also for Miriam and Fred pictures, also like last year, I would like to see pictures of the superb picnic (I imagine...!) with Miri's foods!! ;D
Rafa
Unfortunately we didn't have Miriam with us in Jordan so we were eating bars and chocolate most of the time... ;)
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May I ask Oron, generally how far are the seedlings dispersed away? Obviously each seedling cannot be 'attached' to its parent, but approximately? Is it cm., metres?
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Ron,
Distances are always in meters, and in some areas douzens of meters.
I think it would be easier to calculate it on how many plants per a 100 square meters....
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Wow! I am ignorant about this environment. Is the seed distribution agent known?
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Wow! I am ignorant about this environment. Is the seed distribution agent known?
I suspect it is the rain, as when it rains water do not absorb quickly in this kind of soil [mostley Loess soil] and just run on surface.
Any way not ants as plants do not grow in crevices etc.
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Amazing, I'd love to know more. Always I get few seed set in cultivation. no matter how much pollen I transfer with brush. Who is pollinator in this dry environment? Many seeds per plant per year? Then distribution is tricky? You may have answered one of my main questions regarding these plants. When growing 'adults' we must keep them dry for long periods? But seedlings need slightly more moisture to survive? Why ... if they grow with adults? Maybe they dont ... they are washed into local depressions which remain damper for slightly longer than the area the adults are in? Next year the run off areas are different.. so plants spread? Just a theory, is it a very poor one / wrong please to those who know better?
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No picnic picture as no Logistic woman with us ;D
But as Oron spend less time to eat, he worked more ;)
Sorry for the lines oron, I'm only photographer.... not a magician ;D ;D ;D
Iris edomensis
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Lovely Fred. The pictures give a great feel of the environment.
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No picnic picture as no Logistic woman with us ;D
But as Oron spend less time to eat, he worked more ;)
Sorry for the lines oron, I'm only photographer.... not a magician ;D ;D ;D
Phantastic plants and pictures. Pity - edomensis isn't growable here. :'(
Janis
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Stunning pictures Oron and Fred !!!! Amazing plants !
Ron, I love your I. svetlanae !!!
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Thank you Luc. I think that this could well be the most 'normal' of the three. Of the others, one has really curled up tight leaves and the other has very short squat leaves. I think I'm not going to see the flowers until next year however. :(
The plants from my original pollinations are at or nearing flowering size this year so, I have my fingers crossed for something nice to turn up. ;)
I guess the thing is that unless you want to sell your 'new' plants, then the beauty is that each seedling is unique, and ( beauty is in the eye of the beholder ), therefore equally valuable in the scheme of life.
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The last one is Wonderful photo and plant. Love the foliage too. Envy Envy
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:o Oron and Fred :o!!!
Thanks a lot for showing this breathtaking pictures of Iris edomensis! - think it is one of the holy grail iris for all Juno growers - unfortunately it should be one of the most difficult to grow!
Here two pictures from the garden taken today, Iris persica and Iris stenophylla var. alisonii.
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I'm running out of smiley's here Hans ! :o :o
B e a u t i f u l !!
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Oron and Fred and Hans and Ron,
This is where I need to make the whole screen green but failing that a
thank you will have to suffice
The wealth of plants and designs of plant flowers and forms is utterly amazing in the drier areas.
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Superb Hans !!!
no damage in the garden after freezing time ??
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Thanks Luc, Pat and Fred!
Fortunately damages of freezing are not very important - mainly leaves of a few Canary Island plants and a few Cyclamen persicum (C. rohlfsianum are all fine) suffered, unfortunately also some of small seedlings from Iris edomensis and regis-uzziae. :-\ All other Iris seedlings are ok.
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Great Hans !
Here we have a lot of damages but still don't know how many were killed..... have to wait few weeks. :'( :'( :(
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Wow!!!
Just caught up with this thread and am stunned by those iris in the desert!
And Hans' garden ones are great as well! What colours!
Thanks for posting, guys.
cheers
fermi
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Hi Janis, Why can't we grow I edomensis? If you mean outside, in the open, I understand, but if we want to grow it surely we can provide the right conditions? If we knew what they were?
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What they need is simple : plenty of light for 3 months and 1/2 glass of water for the all growing cycle :)
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Hi Janis, Why can't we grow I edomensis? If you mean outside, in the open, I understand, but if we want to grow it surely we can provide the right conditions? If we knew what they were?
It comes out in winter and frosts here are too hard to keep leaf alive regardless of covering with glasswool sheets. The leaf after opening need a lot of light, too. It is possible in greenhouse with additional lighting and heating in winter. But there are many of plants (at present I have 5700 different samples) growable without such investments and in last years I understood that not absolutely everything is needed. Some things grow, some not. It is nature.
Janis
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What they need is simple : plenty of light for 3 months and 1/2 glass of water for the all growing cycle :)
Sounds perfect for our conditions! ;D
I'm sure Pat Toolan and I can accommodate any spare seeds you have and wish to "agist" in Australia
(it's even on the "allowed list" so no trouble with Customs)!
cheers
fermi
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Ok Fermides and Pat, will remember ;D ;)
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Oron and Fred, I wish I was there with you!
It was worth while just to see this amazing Iris ;)
Hans, as always I am stunned to see how everything is doing well in your garden!
Ron- beatiful plants!
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Thank you Miriam. I love growing from seed from my own plants, and seeing the variation that occurs. Its second best to seeing a large stand 'in nature', but as I will never see many of these plants where they grow naturally, it satisfies my curiosity somewhat. :)
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My second of the season Iris bucharica 'Baldschuan Yellow' this one from Peter Taggart's List. Seems to flower a couple of weeks before my standard bucharica form. Apologies for the quality of the pics, it was quite windy at the time.
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............ this one from Peter Taggart's List. ...........
Peter does a list? :)
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Tony Hall brought acollection of Juno Iris to the British Iris species Group meeting at Myddleton House.
I only took one photograph as the light was difficult - Iris narbutii
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Lovely plants, those I narbutii. ;D
Can anyone decypher that label? ???
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Nice one David, ;D ;D ;D. Do you grow in good strong light or are you shaded for your Junos?
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Nice one David, ;D ;D ;D. Do you grow in good strong light or are you shaded for your Junos?
Thanks Ron. Yes, they are in pretty poor light. They are on the north facing side of the greenhouse which is sheltered by a 6 foot fence just about a yard and a bit away from the greenhouse which in turn is shaded by a large Mahonia. Having said that Devon is mainly in poor light :(
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:( :(, Devon is such a nice county, surely ???. There must be something nice there, ???. Cannot be all gloom and doom, ???. Isn't there? ???.
I often ask myself, is the challenge to grow them as near to nature as possible ( 98% of people are screaming yessssssssssssss of course ;) ;)), or is it to grow them well and healthy and for as long as we are alive to do it, in order that the genes may be preserved. I read so often of 'Great Growers', who win medals etc. and dont have the plant the next year! ( lost to adverse conditions :( :( :( ), but will then go and get another from someone in the know ( ::)), only to lose it again. :(. What do you think?
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Fabulous images Oron and Fred of the rare Iris edomensis - what a cracking plant. Seems incredible that plants can evolve to thrive in such inhospitable conditions. Just a wonderful sight though.
Clearly wouldn't survive here :( :( :(
...... days too short, light levels too low in winter and plenty of really damp days
Hans - I really like your Iris persica and stenophylla allisoni from your garden - brings back some good memories of seeing these in Turkey a couple of years ago.......
Thanks guys for sharing your superb images of these exquisite plants.
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A little more pedestrian than some of the foregoing - but nice nonetheless!
I. rosenbachiana 'Harangon'
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It's still an absolute beauty though Alex, :)
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I.rosenbackiana HARANGON at its best (few years ago)
Janis
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Oh Yes Janis, :o :o :o :o ;D. But what has happened to it since? Has it proved a tricky one to grow in your conditions? ???
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Ron, I. rosenbackiana here is one of easiest in most of forms. Harangon (and others) is the easiest just outside, not so good in greenhouse, but safer to grow in greenhouse. Only magnifica here can compare with rosenbackianas.
Janis
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Thanks Janis. ;D As I thought, as its also an easy species here for me too. ;D
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Alex and Janis, nice Juno rosenbachiana.
Here is a early red Juno nicolai, receive from Mr. Jilek in 2010. Last year not a sign from him. Who knows, why?
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Last year I recieved seeds from Mr Jilek, most of them are growing. He sent me his list last Automn but did not reply when I asked for some more seeds ???
Here is a picture of the Junos which Tony Hall brought in to the Iris Show on the 18th of February
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Peter
Well done in capturing the whole display.
I did not think the ones that had flowered for the first time would show up as they were quite small plants - I was wrong.
Happy memories of an excellent show.
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and some close ups of them, Iris rosenbachiana (two forms) and Iris nicoli and another picture of Iris narbuti which I think Arthur showed
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I like your little red rosenbachiana Dirk.
Thanks Arthur, I managed to get the rest too.
Iris autropatana, Iris stocksii (sorry it was just going over when I reached it), Iris stenophylla allisonii,
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Lovely Junos. I'm feeling peeved that i couldn't get there to see them in the flesh :(. Still, thank you Peter for taking these and sharing, ... next best thing! :o :o
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After Iris narbutii, I think Iris stenophylla allisonii must be my favourite.
It meets availability and price :)
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Iris autropatana, Iris stocksii (sorry it was just going over when I reached it), Iris stenophylla allisonii,
The fabled Iris stocksii.... see here : http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6967.0
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Unless the year has been particularly bad, my Junos usually double each growing season. ;D
I expect Kew with all their resources dont have to succumb to bad growing environment, so what happens to their excess stock? I know they are not allowed to distribute it, so they must have mountains of some of these plants!! ??? ???
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also a more modest contribution from myself -Iris rosenbachiana
another form of Iris ?rosenbachiana
and to prove I am still growing it although not so well and poor pictures- (I didn't have this much dificulty with a conventional camera) Iris narbuti on my bench today, just going over. I bought a pair of seedlings from Jim Almond some years ago, they have never had protection from frost while I have been growing them, -this is the first winter I have ever heated any glass.
In the greenhouse Iris aucheri ex white leylak strain. It has benefited from the extra warmth.
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Unless the year has been particularly bad, my Junos usually double each growing season. ;D
I expect Kew with all their resources dont have to succumb to bad growing environment, so what happens to their excess stock? I know they are not allowed to distribute it, so they must have mountains of some of these plants!! ??? ???
I dont think that they have mountains of stocksii or autropatana yet Ron.
Iris rosenbachiana has given me a great deal of dificulty learning to grow it- without frost protection in the UK climate. I should add that I have grown it from seeds to flowering as well as from purchased bulbs.
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But excepting the two you mention Peter? ???
Do you find much variation from expectations when you grow from seed? I ask because I do, and am wondering how stable some of these are?
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Lovely Junos. I'm feeling peeved that i couldn't get there to see them in the flesh :(. Still, thank you Peter for taking these and sharing, ... next best thing! :o :o
Thanks Ron, Hope to meet you at the Frit group. I felt that these pictures should reach a wider audiance
After Iris narbutii, I think Iris stenophylla allisonii must be my favourite.
It meets availability and price :)
I quite agree Arthur, (though I can't forget Iris fosteriana)
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I'm following this......... and dribbling ;D
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I'm going to make a big effort to be there this time Peter. Looking forward to seeing you too, :)
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Sorry to have to say it but when I divide up a herbaceous border half of each plant goes into the compost heap or fire. However I do believe that there are routes for plants out of Kew, just not routes easily accessable to you or me. Of course disasters happen too... so even plants that normally double up can dwindle some years!
I have found most juno forms which I have grown fairly uniform from seeds but my experiance is quite limited as yet. Janis would be better qualified to answer this.
I understand that there are at least three species involved in the Iris rosenbachiana group. The pictures of the three Kew plants I pictured can probably be taken as definative, and Tony confirmed my rosenbachiana at the show. One difference betwen Iris rosenbachiana and Iris nicoli is the tip of the fall and how much white is on it and (I think) whether it is notched.
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:o :o :o :o.
Thanks for the info., Peter. ;)
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Dirk, thats not the Mr. Jilek who is the newest member of this forum is it?
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Alex and Janis, nice Juno rosenbachiana.
Here is a early red Juno nicolai, receive from Mr. Jilek in 2010. Last year not a sign from him. Who knows, why?
It looks very similar to my VARZOB.
Janis
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Some superb plants here, Peter thanks a lot for showing those unique plants from the Kew collection! A pitty Iris rosenbachiana does not like my climate.
Iris aucheri is still not flowering here, but its hybrid Iris x Sindpers and the other parent Iris persica.
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a lovely persica Hans.
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I.svetlanae.
I know its common but there are variations within those in cultivation, and with this clone the leaves are very short, the flowers lack much of the 'dark lines' found in many of the other clones. A more uniform orangey yellow, as opposed to the greeny yellow of some.
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A very good yellow in your svetlaenae Ron !!
Another well deserved WOW Hans !!
I found Iris rosenbachiana "Harangon" flowering today !! :D
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That's a lovely suprise for you then Luc! ;D ;D. Mine are a way off yet. :(
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Lovely plants Ron and Luc.
A couple more of mine today:-
Iris tubergeniana, nice and short, ideal for the limited amount of greenhouse space I can give to Junos.
Iris warleyensis an awful lot taller than my first one and possibly a bit etiolated.
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David are your pots in a plunge?
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Very nicely done David ;D ;D. Beautiful plants both. Are you 100% on the I.tubergeniana ? I ask because I have been dissapointed on a number of occasions with misnames. Yours looks good to me but its hard from a picture.
By posting your picture of I.warleyensis, I think you may have answered a question I will pose tomorrow. ??? ??? ??? Thank you.
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Ron, many thanks, as far as I know it's correct. It came originally from Peter Taggart and if anyone knows his Irises it's Peter. I posted it last year and noone commented.
Dave-no they're not plunged. I grow them in large Rose Pots in plasic trays- with a bit of grit for them to stand on- on the floor of my greenhouse in the two places I have gaps in the staging. Not ideal conditions as they are a bit cramped and those on the north side of the greenhouse, which is quite heavily shaded by a fence and tall shrubs, do struggle for light. If I were to grow them properly I'd have to give up growing lots of other things.
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Thank you David. Great provenance! ;D ;D ;). I have failed to aquire this species on a number of occasions. Its a beauty! 8) 8)
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Well done Mr. N. they look smashing !
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Ron, many thanks, as far as I know it's correct. It came originally from Peter Taggart and if anyone knows his Irises it's Peter. I posted it last year and noone commented.
Thankyou but there are people here who know these Irises better than I. I just like to grow as many as I can manage. However Tony Hall did confirm the identity of my plants of I tubergeniana, the fringed crest is one diagnostic feature for it.
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..........Tony Hall did confirm the identity of my plants of I. tubergeniana, the fringed crest is one diagnostic feature for it.
And David's photo I. tubergeniana 2 shows that feature very clearly, doesn't it.... one can almost "feel" it.
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seems that spring is coming ;D... at least .....
thank's guys for all this pictures of so nice species... and hybrids. I'd like to see more from your growing conditions, i.e. greenhouses, frames ... ???
thank's for sharing ;)
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My iris rosenbachiana is just putting up its nose in my outside sand bed but spring is still lingering here so I guess it will take a while until I can hope to see any flowers. Also iris sari and iris acutiloba are showing a little leaf.
I ordered some seeds of iris and corydalis from Jan Jilek this autumn but it took a while before they arrived. I´m hoping for a good germination later in spring
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I bought this two years ago at a small local fair. It was marked as 'Blue Juno'. It was a small plant, I estimated perhaps a two year old seedling. I also bought a few 'Yellow Juno' (turned out to be some decent looking I.bucharica ), and some 'White Juno' ( I.magnifica). As they were only £1 each I didn't really care what they were. The lady on the stall said here husband grew them , and she didnt know anything about their history. It got badly frozen in its pot last year, but still tried to put out a flower, but this was badly deformed. This year its doubled and has about 5 flowers coming, and a couple on its offspring. Trouble is ... what is it? ;D. At first I thought rich coloured I.vicaria, but then started to see I. warleyensis. ???. Now I've convinced myself that someone has been dabbling with a paint brush and I've got a 'mongrel'. :'( :'(. If it is then it can go in the auction Maggi.
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No idea what it is but I like it!!
Here is I. hippolyti today.
Alex
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Very special Alex, :o ;D. Any specific growing tips for this one? please.
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Hi Ron,
Not really - I got one bulb from Jan Jilek 8 years ago I think and it has multiplied so I now have 4 or 5 bulbs. It seems to grow fairly well in the usual Juno conditions here, although I live in quite a dry and sunny part of the country. I don't do anything special for it.
It doesn't look like you have any problems growing Junos, though, judging by the pics you post! You should be fine with this one.
Alex
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Thanks for the information Alex. I like to ask on anything I dont grow myself as I think it best not to take anything for granted. When I see things growing so well I'll always ask to see if I'm 'missing a trick'. :) :)
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It looks nice whatever it is Ron, well worth keeping I would have thought. Perhaps you should call it Iris 'Clear as Mud', and put it oo Ebay and make your fortune ;D
Nice hippolyti Alex.
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;D ;D ;D£££££££ :o :o :o ;D ;D
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I'd rather give them away than do that David, ;D
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That's the right spirit.
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Good evening
Please allow me to talk with you a bit in the Forum as well. I have a small collection of plants from Central Asia and I will be happy to discuss with you about problems and lucks in growing those beautifull plants. For the moment I cannot boast because I have still snow in my garden. I am growing plants in loose soil so that is why they are just waking up.
Jan
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Welcome to The Forum Jan, we look forward to seeing your plants.
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Welcome Jan, I hope that you are well.
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Welcome Jan. Good to hear from you.
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Thank you very much for the welcome. I do not know English well.
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Your English is good Jan and I am looking forward to seeing the snow melt in your garden. Some seeds, which I think you sent me, are growing well, here in England.
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I bought this two years ago at a small local fair. It was marked as 'Blue Juno'. It was a small plant, I estimated perhaps a two year old seedling. I also bought a few 'Yellow Juno' (turned out to be some decent looking I.bucharica ), and some 'White Juno' ( I.magnifica). As they were only £1 each I didn't really care what they were. The lady on the stall said here husband grew them , and she didnt know anything about their history. It got badly frozen in its pot last year, but still tried to put out a flower, but this was badly deformed. This year its doubled and has about 5 flowers coming, and a couple on its offspring. Trouble is ... what is it? ;D. At first I thought rich coloured I.vicaria, but then started to see I. warleyensis. ???. Now I've convinced myself that someone has been dabbling with a paint brush and I've got a 'mongrel'. :'( :'(.
Jan was just saying that this is a beautiful hybrid - his post got lost!
Jan: you can click the "reply" button by any post to make a comment on it. 8)
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I like natural hybrid J.magnifica warleyensis J x.
my not so intense in color.
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Tomorrow I post photos of some types of Juno. Good night all
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I bought this two years ago at a small local fair. It was marked as 'Blue Juno'. It was a small plant, I estimated perhaps a two year old seedling. I also bought a few 'Yellow Juno' (turned out to be some decent looking I.bucharica ), and some 'White Juno' ( I.magnifica). As they were only £1 each I didn't really care what they were. The lady on the stall said here husband grew them , and she didnt know anything about their history. It got badly frozen in its pot last year, but still tried to put out a flower, but this was badly deformed. This year its doubled and has about 5 flowers coming, and a couple on its offspring. Trouble is ... what is it? ;D. At first I thought rich coloured I.vicaria, but then started to see I. warleyensis. ???. Now I've convinced myself that someone has been dabbling with a paint brush and I've got a 'mongrel'. :'( :'(.
Jan was just saying that this is a beautiful hybrid - his post got lost!
Ron, could your Iris be "Prominence" or "Sinbad"? I grow neither, but the names come to mind and I have seen a pictureof it in a cataloge somewhere.
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Just been in the greenhouse and was pondering that, despite a few nice Juno flowers, it has mostly been a pretty poor Juno year for me with many regulars not flowering and looking smaller; presumably this relates to the last growing season. I also noticed that last year's Pleione growth was unusually good, as have others in the Pleione threads. Is this the predictable consequence of a sunless Summer? How are other UK growers Junos doing in general?
Cheers,
Alex
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It has been a good season for my junos, but few flowers so far, due to the weak bulbs after two bad growing years!
The Tovil d Ara offsett you sent me 18 months ago flowerd nicely though Alex.
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I dont know either of these Peter, so dont know if this could be one of them. It does seem to be a hybrid though ( my own concerns plus comments on this forum ), so it has got to go. If there is to be an auction Maggi, then this and a few others are committed, if not then I'll dispose of it elsewhere. Thanks to all who have commented so far. ;D ;D
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I sympathise Ron, but I sometimes first generation hybreds can be interesting both in that they show relationship and are posiable, also second generation are interesting to see the throw backs.
Do Iris vicaria and Iris warleyensis meet in the wild?
I think that some species of juno also hybridise in the wild... Perhaps Jan or Janis could say more on this?
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Some pictures
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;D, Oh, I see you also grow one or two Junos then Jan !!! :o :o :o
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Thanks Peter ;). No sympathy neccessary, it only cost a pound and I've had the pleasure of growing it, and the anticipation / excitement of waiting for the flower. However, to my mind, a man made hybrid is not something I really want as it doesnt fit in with my scheme of things ( applies only to my Frits, Junos, and Crocus ), and a hybrid of unknown provenance doubly so. ;D ;D. It is a very lovely plant though, ::)
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Welcome Jan, a fascinating start! :o
Some Junos are still in flower here - Iris stenophylla and Iris x 'Sindpers', latter fascinates me more and more, it is easy and has a good number of flowers in a good size - perhaps I should try to remake this cross using different colourforms of I.persica - I suppose it is a Iris persica x Iris aucheri (or Iris aucheri x Iris persica)?
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Sindpers = aucheri x persica. :)
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Some pictures
Lovely collection :o :o :o
So you are just a beginner then Jan ;D ;D ;D
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Welcome Jan, a fascinating start! :o
Some Junos are still in flower here - Iris stenophylla and Iris x 'Sindpers', latter fascinates me more and more, it is easy and has a good number of flowers in a good size - perhaps I should try to remake this cross using different colourforms of I.persica - I suppose it is a Iris persica x Iris aucheri (or Iris aucheri x Iris persica)?
Hans the sindpers looks good enough to eat
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some junos
1. photo - J.nicolai and J. rosenbachiana
2. photo - natural hybrid J.svetlanae x J.warleyensis
3. photo - J.hippolyti
4. photo - natural hybrid J.magnifica x J.svetlanae
5. photo - Juno rosenbachiana
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Peter, J.vicaria and J.warleyensis are hybrid in nature.
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Great pictures, Jan. ;D ;D Thank you,
Natural hybrids.... are they very common?? ( now what to do? ??? ???)
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Alex, my Junos have performed very 'normally' for me so far, with some even putting on exceptional growth and multiplication. I think the proliferation has been due to damage caused last winter leading to many new bulbs forming from the damage. ( just a theory :-\). I have noticed that they have required much less watering than is normal for me, but why this should be I have no idea.
Do you normally feed after flowering? I do, usually with a weak 'Tomato food', until time to stop watering.
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beautiful natural hybrids are rare in nature.
very many hybrids Juno x narbuti , Juno x nicolai , Juno x kuschakewiczii ,
Juno x magnifica , Juno x capnoides.
I saw natural hybrids J.nicolai x J.vicaria
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As I thought, ;). Thank you Jan.
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Jan, you say you grow your Junos in open soil, but do you have a standard mix? What ratio grit to soil etc? Thank you for your advice. ;D
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Ronm
I sent those pictures to your e-mail
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Thank you Jan. :o :o
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More Juno photos
1 photo - Juno nicolai " Varzob ", 4 color clones
2 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, Afganistan
3 photo - Juno narbuti, South Tadjikistan
4 photo - Juno leptorrhiza
5 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, northern Afganistan
6 photo - Juno vicaria, Sina
7 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, northern Afganistan
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Amazing !!!!! :o :o :o :o :o :o :o
I have never seen anything like it Jan. You have me speechless with those mass pictures. Perfection ;D ;D
Inspirational stuff ....you really have me thinking now :) :) :) :)
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Stunning Jan !!
I also would like to know how do you grow them ? frame ? which kind of soil ?
no species name under pictures... :'( :'( :'( :'( pity ;)
congratulations,
to you too Hans, as usual very healthy and strong plants, and to everybody sending this jewels !
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I'm sorry, here are the names of plants
1 photo - Juno nicolai " Varzob ", 4 color clones
2 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, Afganistan
3 photo - Juno narbuti, South Tadjikistan
4 photo - Juno leptorrhiza
5 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, northern Afganistan
6 photo - Juno vicaria, Sina
7 photo - Juno rosenbachiana, northern Afganistan
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Please don't apologise Jan. There is no need to. Yes, the name is important, but seeing how these plants can be grown and propagated is even more so. Do you need to feed them in some way?
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Dear Maggi
Thank you so much for your help
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Jan,
welcome in this forum and show many flowers please.
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Dear Dirk, glad to meet you
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Dear Maggi
Thank you so much for your help
Thank YOU, Jan! I try to be useful! ;)
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These are wonderfull pictures Jan,
I like the Iris rosenbachiana from northern Afghanistan especially, It's coulor seems to be variable. Do you think it is a seperate (sub)species?
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Thank you Peter
Juno rosenbachiana of Afghanistan is very variable, I have about 10 clones of color.
Give a good seed
For three weeks will flourish.
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Jan, -Iris narbuti from south Tadjikistan looks very like Iris warleyensis?
Tony Hall's recent paper puts them as close relatives .....
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In any case, Juno warleyensis massive plant to 60 cm height.
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I really appologize that pictures were without names. and Thank you that you did put names of plants there for me. I am learning, you have a pation with me.
I will epxlain you with pleasure how I'm growing my plants, no secrets. in which ground and what I am fertilizing with.
please give me a bit of time.
I am growing Mother plants in open ground, in order for selling in pots. There is possibility to empty the pot without damaging the bulb.
Today we got Spring too, the first plants of Juno nicolai from Varzoba are started flowering with 4 colors.
I will show them to you tomorrow. Also I have Colchicum kesselringii, Colchicum luteum, Crocus michelsonii, Crocus korolkovii, Crocus alatavicus flowering at the moment.
For the moment all Corydalises are sleeping.
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Whenever you are ready Jans, :) :) :)
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Juno nicolai Varzob, 4 colors
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Juno thread just raised to another level ??
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Dear Jan, no need to apologise... we know it is not easy to write and understand in our crazy English
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Welcome to the best and friendliest Horticultural Forum ,Jan . The variation in the I. rosenbachiana group ,colours and beauty leaves me speechless . Do you think there are at least 4 species present in this group ? =I. rosenbachiana , nicolai , popovii and baldschuanica . We have to wait for Tony Hall,s monograph to appear . Please keep us informed and delighted with more articles and photos ,
thank you ,
Otto.
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Amazing stuff Jan !! :o :o :o They seem to grow like weeds with you !! ??? ??? ;D
Thanks for showing !
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Dear Otto,
J.nicolai, rosenbachiana, baldshuanica, popovii is a very good topic for discussion. I have all kinds of
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Two types of Juno Harangon ;D
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no comment :-*
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Only one, tremendous !!! :o ;D
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Juno tubergeniana , Juno willmottiana - my greenhouse
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Juno tubergeniana , Juno willmottiana - my greenhouse
Jan, you're going to make us all jealous! ;)
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Way too late Wim, :'( :'(
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it is 40 years of work
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it is 40 years of work
Jan, I can imagine that took a long time, indeed...but the results are stunning...you should be very proud!
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I am proud, but his back hurts from that ;D
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I am proud, but his back hurts from that ;D
;D That, I can imagine too!
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Its going to be hard to sleep tonight. My mind is whirling 8) 8)
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Juno rosenbachiana
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Fantastic Jan !!! :o :o
Does anybody else have some courage left to post a Juno picture... :-\ ;)
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NO ........ never ever again!!!! :( :( :( :( :( :( :(
Until tomorrow.. ;D ;D ;D ;D
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Hi Jan, you really have a magnificent collection of junos and other bulbs !
I think that I bought some seeds from you this autumn and I´m very excited to see if they start germinating soon.
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Looks like aril leaves in the foreground of Jan's collection which is amazing.
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yes the front is Oncocyclus Iris ewbankiana
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Juno tubergeniana, J.magnifica x J.svetlanae
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Two junos flowering here this morning, I am not certain of the names....
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Thanks Maggie.
I am told that this is Iris nusariensis, and my suspicion that the yellow is Iris bucharica seems correct so it is almost certainly what I once bought as Iris bucharica "Baldschuan Yellow"
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Peter, if you want to compare in reply 129 on page 9 of this thread there is a pic of my bucharica 'Baldschuan Yellow' which I got from you.
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8346.msg233918#msg233918
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Thanks David they are the same.
It can now get it's lable back! I knew I had lost track of it when I did not find it's lable while repotting last year.
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Thanks for edit Maggi, the ever watchful eye ;D
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Juno bucharica Tavildara.
Peter, you can compare
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Jan, stunning looking I.bucharica.
Is this something new you have recently got? I dont know of this ever being grown here? Even by the 'experts'??? What is this species about? Please :)
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Thanks Jan, how far apart do they grow? they are a little different to each other.
The Tavildara form has a wider fall.
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Very similar though, the spot is green on the Baldchuan yellow, is it always brown on Tavil dara?
Are there any yellow forms of Iris vicaria?
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As I already wrote. It depends on the soil. I think I have a few plants
Is variable. Photo is from nature. I also have a yellow form.
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I have only form of light yellow Juno Vicario of Turkmenistan
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Could you identify this please Jan? (I grew it from seed -it was labled I parvula -which it is not)
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It's Juno vicaria, Chulbair mnt. range, is very variable
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white form
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spring starts
DSC03545 Juno nicolai
DSC00178 Juno rosenbachiana
DSC00757 Juno baldschuanica
DSC00755 Juno popovii
DSC02055 Juno zaprjagajewii
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Hi Jan,
Sorry if this has been answered, but are you Jan Jilek of wildbulbs nursery? If so, please could you let me know when this year's offering of bulbs will be posted online?
Absolutely wonderful photos, by the way. What a collection you have.
Alex
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I think that the answer is yes Alex.
Jan very good buds :)
I look forward to the flowers. Here, I have not germinated Iris zapragajewii though I have sown it twice :(
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Is there such a plant Peter? ??? ???
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Yes Ron, it has very wide leaves , greyer than rosenbachiana, they are in the same group which have physocaulons, arils on the seeds and the same shape pollen grains (I think).
You can see the wider leaves if you look at Jan's pictures of the new buds coming up.
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Sounds good to me. ;D
Perhaps a little bit of root in the future??? ;)
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It is said to be a tricky plant -prone to botrytus Ron. I wish I had a root of it!
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is this it? A wonderfully strong smell. Stronger than Juno maracandica
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Is there such a plant Peter? ??? ???
;)
The name isn't in the Kew Plant list, is it?
The American Iris Society says:
Iris zapragajewii Abramov
1971, Abramov
Iris zaprjagajewii Abramov. (N. Abramov, 1971, near Nishup, S. W. Pamir mountains, Russia); Subgenus Scorpiris, (Juno) ; height 4-6" (10-15 cm); 1-3 Flowers, white with yellow crest. 2n=26 Zakharyeva 1985.
John Lonsdale has pix....
http://www.edgewoodgardens.net/plants_album/the%20plants%20-%20%20complete%20collection/Iridaceae/Iris/Subgen%20Scorpiris/I.%20zaparagajewii/slides/Iris%20zapragajewii%200001.html
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A wonderfully strong smell. ;D ;D ;D
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yes Maggie, Jan, I believe this is the plant. I think that I once saw it at Kew.
Tony hall places Iris zaprjagajewii as a sister species to Iris nicolai and Iris baldshuanica. These are placed as cousins to Iris rosenbachiana and Iris popovii and second cousins to Iris leptorrhiza and Iris (Juno) kopetdagensis - [there is an Irodyctum kopetdagensis]
Perhaps the Kew data base needs updating??? ;D
edit re plant names
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Juno zaprjagajewii
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Ok. I didnt know about this species but fine. ;D ;D
What is the difference between this and the nicholai etc.
Fine to me that so and so this is different from that, but please add the why? it is so. Otherwise it is very difficult to know what we grow. Thank you all experts.
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I would highly advise, grown without any problems.
It is a cousin of J. nicolai, rosenbachiana, popovii, baldshuanica
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OK Jan. :-\ :-\ :-\
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4 brothers
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More Jan, Please :D
tomorrow will they open?
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:o :o Jan I can see I need to order more seeds soon.
What a stunning, incredible, super collection!!!!
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:o :o Jan I can see I need to order more seeds soon.
What a stunning, incredible, super collection!!!!
::) ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D ::)
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Iris stenophylla allisonii at Gundogmus pictured just a week ago (more you can see and read at my entry on Crocus pages (Crocotrip with Ibrahim)
Janis
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a lovely species Janis, different to the form I have because of the veining.
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I envy, I have a
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Mouthwatering collection Jan!! :o
Thanks for this great pictures of Iris stenophylla allisonii in nature - did you also find clumps of this species?
It is forming clumps slowly here. (sorry for the bad picture, it was taken in February just after snow and freezing...)
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nice clumps Hans, it clumps in pots too.
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Mouthwatering collection Jan!! :o
Thanks for this great pictures of Iris stenophylla allisonii in nature - did you also find clumps of this species?
It is forming clumps slowly here. (sorry for the bad picture, it was taken in February just after snow and freezing...)
Didn't see in wild clumps. I think the teritory is heavily grazed and it is nice that it alive there. It can't collect so much food reserves for dividing. Yours are magnificient, Hans. With me it didn't grow very well - I still have it, it sometimes increase, but our conditions here isn't very good for this species (as well as for persica, galatica etc.)
Janis
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Hans, as in a fairy tale !!! :o :o :o
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Thanks a lot Peter, Janis and Jan -this species belongs to the 'easier' ones here - I. persica and galatica are more tricky, and Iris rosenbachiana ungrowable.
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I'm just speechless... so :o :o :o :P ::) :P :'(
THANK YOU SO MUCH for sharing all this pictures, but we also can see that Juno isn't an easy section....
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Hans why do you think Iris rosenbachiana is ungrowable? Do you get it growing from seed and then lose it?
Maybe because it grows at 1000 to 2000 metres - maybe the lowest altitude bulbs might grow.
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Hans why do you think Iris rosenbachiana is ungrowable? Do you get it growing from seed and then lose it?
Maybe because it grows at 1000 to 2000 metres - maybe the lowest altitude bulbs might grow.
In Hans location is far too hot. It is growing but not happy with me in greenhouse, far better grow here on open field, but there it is something risky for extremes of weather, so I'm growing main stocks in greenhouse near doors which stay open to keep them cooler. Outside allways are planted few bulbs and bulb crop is far better regardless of occasional flower or even leaf damage by late spring and night frosts.
Janis
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I agree with Janis, I always worry about these bulbs if hot weather arrives early. They grow best when they are cold but not frozen, and they don't like going back to frozen when they start spring growth.
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I agree with Janis. In nature, Juno blooms very slowly, up to 3 weeks. The temperature around 5-8 C during the day. When the bloom, the temperature does not exceed 10 +12 C.
In my greenhouse, I'm afraid to temperatures above +20 C.
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Friends, I will answer all evening. I need to pollinate thousands of blossoms!
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Juno nicolai
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Such a variety of I.nicolai. Amazing :o :o :o
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And so beautiful. :) 8)
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Nice Junos, Jan :-*
Here my J.rosenbachiana from Tovil Dara
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After all the beautiful Junos on this thread I hesitated before posting this. Looking second best to a lurking snail- Iris graeberiana
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Looks good to me David.
Are those pale spots to the left snail damage?
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They are Lesley. I don't really have the room to grow them properly and this will be my last Juno season. So glad I tried them though.
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We've slipped back into 2011 recently ::) ::).
Not quite 'Life on Mars' but can anything be done ? ???
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Well .... I know its a Juno ???
Make up your own mind, ::)
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We've slipped back into 2011 recently ::) ::).
Not quite 'Life on Mars' but can anything be done ? ???
So we had :o.... I've fixed that... all 2012 posts now in this thread.
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WOW, :o
Thanks Maggi, :o
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They are Lesley. I don't really have the room to grow them properly and this will be my last Juno season. So glad I tried them though.
Don't tell me you're giving up David... :-\
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Well .... I know its a Juno ???
Make up your own mind, ::)
I'm hopeless at identification Ron but after a quick look through Brian Mathew's "The Iris" I'd say svetlanae That's a sure recipe for someone who really has some expertise to say it's a nice bucharica form ;D
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I think this thread was a little in danger of stalling because of the magnificence of a number of posts. I know I was left recoiling, never having seen anything the like. But we can do what we can do. I f we enjoy what we do ... surely enough 8). Nobody judges us David, if you have enjoyed growing them I suggest you keep enjoying them. Nothing wrong with a little selfishness from time to time surely. ;D ;D
And your famous on here for your positive ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D s
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With these David, and the variation I've seen recently, I'm saying ( to some extent!), STUFF the Name, I'm enjoying the growing and the beauty ;D ;D. ( except in Frits where I become incredibly anal!)
See next few days!!
But thanks for making an offer of a 'best guess' :-X ;) ;)
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They are Lesley. I don't really have the room to grow them properly and this will be my last Juno season. So glad I tried them though.
Don't tell me you're giving up David... :-\
Yes, really Luc. Family needs mean that we have to spend increasing amounts of time away from home and it's really difficult to spend the time I used to spend on my plants. Time marches on too and I found last summer's re-potting something of a chore, in past years I've enjoyed it, so I'm going to cut down on the bulbous plants I grow hopefully to a quantity I can manage better. My Junos grow on the floor of the greenhouse in a couple of gravel trays, squashed between the staging, and they need better than that, and I can't give them the space they need. They are going to a good home though.
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:), Ah thats different. Hope everythings OK. Iv'd loved seeing your Juno's. ;D
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I.magnifica
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Magnificent Ron !
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Thanks Luc. ; :)
Its a commoner, but surely none the worse for that?
It's peak Juno time, and I'm hoping everyone will post their pictures whatever species / hybrids they are. Hope to see them all. ;)
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Some Juno's in Kansas.
Baldshuan Yellow
Magnifica
Willmottiana Skyline
John B
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Very, very nice John. :) :)
Beautifully grown, healthy strong plants. :) :)
Are they uncovered all year in this bed? Do you regularly lift and seperate?
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Hi Ron. I do not cover anything out there. Juno's and Onco's take my weather
just fine. If a plant cannot survive outside here I stop trying after loosing it a couple times.
Skyline only had 2 years, Mag. and Bald. been there for many years.
John B
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They look well established John :o
Very impressive. :)
Any more?
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I do grow some Juno irises too, apart Iris planifolia. This is a very dark selection of Iris aucheri, called Shooting Star, which seems quite vigorous
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They look well established John :o
Very impressive. :)
Any more?
I have Mag. Agalak, Aucheri, Warlsind, Wollmottiana Alba, Graeberiana yellow and white fall,
Warleyensis, Bucharica Top Gold, Russian Kavalregard.
John B
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Gorgeous I.aucheri Angelo. :) :). I think it should probably be I. aucheri 'Olaf' now ( I think'Shooting Star' was taken by another Iris, somebody will tell us). But who cares? Its a real beauty ;D ;D ;D
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WOW, quite a collection John B. Looking forward immensely to seeing those, ;) :)
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One from me for today.
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Here is Warlsind today in the rain.
John B
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Just as a reference here is an overall of my property.
John B
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There is no point in trying to beat the posts of Jan of course.
But we can try with this juno nusairiensis ;D
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What others are you growing Angelo? Are they in pots or open ground?
Lovely 'Warlsind' John. I've never seen this before and it is very nice. From your picture of your property it appears your plants grow in some shade from the trees, Is this correct? You seem to have had some heavy rain over the past few days there John. Is this normal for this time of year?
And what a try ;D ;D :o :o 8). Superb Luc.
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Lovely 'Warlsind' John. I've never seen this before and it is very nice. From your picture of your property it appears your plants grow in some shade from the trees, Is this correct? You seem to have had some heavy rain over the past few days there John. Is this normal for this time of year?
Yes Ron most beds get partial shade and some heavy shade. Yes spring can be a little wet
but it drys quick once the sun comes back.
John
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What others are you growing Angelo? Are they in pots or open ground?
I grow, I. planifolia, palaestina, aucheri, graeberiana, bucharicha, magnifica, plus some hybrids. I also grow cycloglossa but this species is not very happy in my climate, being too warm for it. They are all in the open ground
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A most lovely collection Angelo. :) :) :) Hope you can picture them for us.
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John you don't have council footpaths and can plant to the road? That is not possible in suburbs here in Oz. The councils LOVE to spray all the verges to the roads. Do you think you might start getting root competition in time?
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Luc , what a heavenly blue colour of your I. nussairiensis -is it true .
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John you don't have council footpaths and can plant to the road? That is not possible in suburbs here in Oz. The councils LOVE to spray all the verges to the roads. Do you think you might start getting root competition in time?
Hi Pat. I assume you are refering to "sidewalks" . I am in an older addition on the edge
of town and there are not sidewalks on my small side street. I am only 1 block from
the country, ie. wheat fields. The roadsides and ditches do not get much spraying
around here. Competition, naaaaah.
John B
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I really like this one :). Even though its quite squat, and obviously not the brightest colours, I think it has something going for it. 8)
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Luc , what a heavenly blue colour of your I. nussairiensis -is it true .
The intensity of the blue colour varies a bit between different plants. This one is rather dark blue.
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Another white and yellow / orange one.
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Three forms of I. rosenbackiana and
I. pseudocaucasica from Iran (identified by Tony)
Janis
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Janis, your Junos looks very good.
Here is my first flower from J. kuschakewiczii and J.hyppolyti or hippotyti. This is the question ???
Edit by Maggi: second iris identified as Juno coerulea
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J.hyppolyti or hippotyti. This is the question ???
Kew Plant list: Iris hippolyti (Vved.) Kamelin is an accepted name
This name is the accepted name of a species in the genus Iris (family Iridaceae).
The record derives from iPlants which reports it as an accepted name (record 321940) with original publication details: Redk. Ischez. Vidy Fl. SSSR ed. 2: 102 1981.
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Many thanks, Maggi :D
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A small offering - I. pseudocapnoides.
Alex
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Janis, your Junos looks very good.
Here is my first flower from J. kuschakewiczii and J.hyppolyti or hippotyti. This is the question ???
Sorry Dirk, but your hippolytii looks as wilmottiana. Of course can't see details but such is my first opinion. What is your source?
Janis
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Janis superb photos of such well grown junos.
It is always good to have an expert tell us if we are growing something different to what we thought we had bought and grown.
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Some of Iris stenophylla complex.
Janis
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Janis, your Junos looks very good.
Here is my first flower from J. kuschakewiczii and J.hyppolyti or hippotyti. This is the question ???
Sorry Dirk, but your hippolytii looks as wilmottiana. Of course can't see details but such is my first opinion. What is your source?
Janis
Many thanks Janis for your hint. It is my mistake, the pot with Juno hippolyti
stand beside and is without flower. I receive the plant on the picture under Juno coerulea from a nursery in Germany.
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Superb selection Janis !!!
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Wow, superb plants Dirk and Janis - especially the different stenopyllas are great!
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More Juno's in Kansas.
Graeberiana Yellow Fall
Russian Kavalregard x 2
John B
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Any more information on Kavalregard John, it's one I haven't heard of before.
One of mine, Iris vicaria 'Varsob'
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Kavalregard is listed by Leonid Bondarenko, David.
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And was by Pitcairn Alpines last year also.
Nice clean I.vicaria David. Are you sure we wont see it next year from you?
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Some more Juno, Iris Morning Sky (magnifica x willmottiana) and I. magnifica Agalik. There two increase very well in the ground. I grow them in partial shade.
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Beautiful plants Angelo, 8) 8) 8).
Please keep showing them. :)
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Two forms of Iris aucheri from south Jordan, plants are shorter this year due to very little rain in it's habitat.
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You were very lucky to find it flowering now !!
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Several Iris aucheri forms blooming just now.
Janis
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Beautiful Janis, 8) 8) 8)
How would you describe the soil you use to grow them please?
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Beautiful Janis, 8) 8) 8)
How would you describe the soil you use to grow them please?
My standart mix is 1 part of loam, 1 part of peat moss, 2 parts of coarse sand + dolomite chalk up to pH 6,5 + complex fertilizer with microelements. Works for most bulbs.
Janis
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That's really interesting Janis, thank you. I suspect I may have had some issues due to the use ,on my part, of sharp grit. I notice you don't use grit. I was worried that while I may have ' got away with it' for now I was building up problems. Thanks for your explanation of your mix. You have reinforced my suspicions :) :)
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That's really interesting Janis, thank you. I suspect I may have had some issues due to the use ,on my part, of sharp grit. I notice you don't use grit. I was worried that while I may have ' got away with it' for now I was building up problems. Thanks for your explanation of your mix. You have reinforced my suspicions :) :)
I can't buy grit here :'(
Janis
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Possibly a good thing! ;D
I asked because your plants grow so beautifully. ;D Mine do too ;D. But often when I come to repot I notice big scars on the roots corresponding to sharpness in the grit of the mix. So far I have had to 'grin and bear it' being too scared to change what has been a great growing mix for me. I wondered if grit was necessary? but all the literature seems to say 'more the merrier. Also a forumist who grows these wonderfully seems to use almost pure grit!. But the damage to the new root growths bothers me. If you can grow this beautifully without it then so can I and I'm inspired to try your style mix later this year. Thank you.
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Nice forms of aucheri, Janis !
I see you call some aucheri 'giant' and 'large', do you refer to the flower size or the plant size?
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Juno baldshuanica x Juno rosenbachiana
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Jan that is a nice cross.
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will flourish Juno parvula from western Afghanistan
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Juno baldshuanica
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The latest of the group, I know for some of you it's almost a weed, but it's not at all easy in a climate like mine
Iris cycloglossa
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Angelo,
That is a lovely juno - I have not grown it yet.
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I.cycloglossa
Currently filling the small greenhouse with the most wonderful scent.
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The first Junos I have ever flowered are from Susan Band. I'm happy to have them. Russian Kavalergard (White) and New Argument (blue)
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Oleg they seem pretty happy and settled in your world.
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Second Juno for us is one we got from Marcus Harvey: Iris wilmottiana 'Skyline'
cheers
fermi
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Looks great Fermi ! And incredibly healthy and well grown !! :D
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I think that skyline is a hybrid of wilmottiana , but a great plant.
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I think that skyline is a hybrid of wilmottiana , but a great plant.
And it looks even better today!
I didn't realise that there would be flowers from the axil buds as well!
cheers
fermi
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:D
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The first of the I rosenbachiana types is flowering here, today :D
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Great Peter!
Here I. planifolias bloomed and today I spotted I. palaestina in flower.
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after the hard winters Hans......... >:(
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:o - remember me later this year, perhaps... ;)
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Hans, is Iris planifolia native on the Balearics too? I have them in flower now, in several shades of blue. This species if found in Sicily and Sardinia in Italy
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I found Iris planifolia also in Portugal
this week (if no frost here) one week off to Sardinia
I hope to find some beauties
are there suggestions which part I absolute have to see
maybe I can make some nice pictures from Iris planifolia
Roland
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Roland, I have been told it is more common in the SE, that is around Cagliari. However in the period this would be the only bulbous species you can find
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Well I will have a look around Cagliari for the Iris
I hope also to find nice leaved ambrosinia , arisarum , arum nigrum , Drimia and maybe the first Crocus minimus
Roland
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Hans, is Iris planifolia native on the Balearics too? I have them in flower now, in several shades of blue. This species if found in Sicily and Sardinia in Italy
Angelo, Iris planifolia is not native on the Balearic Islands, but grows fine here.
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Not a single Juno more to the north
I found ambrosinia , arisarum , arum nigrum , Drimia
it seems there are plenty Cyclamen repandum
but they where still sleeping
We swapped B&B now 40 km north of Cagliari
we have a look if we can see here Iris planifolia
and we try to see a red leaved Ambrosinia
I will post a picture when we find one
Roland
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Good luck Roland ;)
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New Juno Iris just was described by Guner and Tony Hall - Iris peshmeniana. I offered it in my last catalogue as Iris species nova and used its picture for front cover.
Here some pictures of it made in my collection and in wild - plants in seeds are pictured by me during my last visit at its locus classicus, picture with Iris peshmeniana in flowers at locus classicus I got from Tony Hall, but I don't know who made this picture.
Janis
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Thankyou for the name and pictures Janis.
...The leaves look similar to I aucheri
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Another nice species ! love it
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Well I am back home
We did not find a single Iris planifolia found north of Cagliari
also no red leaved Ambrosina
on Facebook you can see the leaf-forms we found from Ambrosina
https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bulborum/452518118130496?sk=photos_albums (https://www.facebook.com/pages/Bulborum/452518118130496?sk=photos_albums)
no time for visiting the city to see the Iris planifolia there
there must be plenty around the castle
so something to do for the next time
Roland
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Pity for you, but I hope you will have more chance next time !
Where did the iris planifolia pictures taken on Facebook pages ?
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Thank's Roland, but you shouldn't put so precise locations.. I think it's better for the plants :)
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The where hundred thousands of them
maybe you are right
but there where no special ones to see (and to dig up)
The interesting sites I keep secret
just for my friends who I trust
Roland
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:)
merry Christmas !!!
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:) merry Christmas !!! :)
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8) 8) Iris peshmeniana for Christmas ;D
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Well done peter ! Nice Christmas gift :-)
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Iris planifolia is flowering for the first time with me ! :D
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Superb ! Spring is coming Luc :D
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A very poor picture of an Iris rosenbachiana form which flowerd before Christmas, and Iris persica flowering now from a little root which I was given 4 years ago.
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Well
after three years waiting
this White Iris planifolia baby I collected in Sicily flowers
Not sure if the baby was also pure white
but ....................YES
Iris planifolia Sicilian White
Roland
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Well done Roland ! Superb White form !!
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beautiful Roland. I remember Tony Hall suggesting that the white forms of I planifolia had a gene which predisposed it to weak growth and contracting virus.
I grew white and blue forms together in a large pot, the white plant grew well but the blue was virused and gave it to the white one, so now I grow them all in seperate pots, and try to have the babies seperate.
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And now is the waiting if he (or she) starts multiplying
so I can share this beauty
I will try to pollinate too
Roland
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Peter
did you get seeds from the white one
or do you need cross pollination
Roland
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I did not get seeds from those plants Roland, I think that most Junos can self pollinate, but it is easier to get seeds with two clones. Some Junos self more easily than others but I believe that the size of the plant and how well it is growing might also be important.
I have been told that most Iris have a very long pollen tube, so for the ovary to be fertilised they should be pollinated in the morning when the sun gets warm, and kept warm until night.
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of course Iris planifolia grows much better in the ground, where possible. Mine are in full flowering now. I agree that the white one is much weaker, I do have one and it struggles from years. I have raised some hundreds from seed and got a nice variability in colouring, but no whites so far.
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Fantastic plants everyone! - I did not notice white planifolias are much weaker (but produce less offsets)- seedlings of my white plants are growing much stronger than my blue ones sown the same day - hope they will be true to colour. As I remember mine came from a white population of spanish mainland, so I think the chances to get white ones again is not bad.