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Bulbs => Crocus => Topic started by: fermi de Sousa on January 03, 2012, 06:35:10 AM
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I've just heard that a new crocus discovered in Turkey (one of 3) has been named for our good friend Otto!
Crocus fauseri has just been described "inside segments white without markings,outside of outer segments are mostly finely veined greyish-blue, rarely speckled."
Congratulations, Otto!
Who'll be first on the Forum to grow it or show a pic? ;D
cheers
fermi
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I've just heard that a new crocus discovered in Turkey (one of 3) has been named for our good friend Otto!
Crocus fauseri has just been described "inside segments white without markings,outside of outer segments are mostly finely veined greyish-blue, rarely speckled."
Congratulations, Otto!
Who'll be first on the Forum to grow it or show a pic? ;D
cheers
fermi
Where yoy read about this and where it and other two were published?
Janis
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I've just heard that a new crocus discovered in Turkey (one of 3) has been named for our good friend Otto!
Crocus fauseri has just been described "inside segments white without markings,outside of outer segments are mostly finely veined greyish-blue, rarely speckled."
Congratulations, Otto!
Who'll be first on the Forum to grow it or show a pic? ;D
cheers
fermi
Where yoy read about this and where it and other two were published?
Janis
We are really delighted that Otto has been honoured in this way.
This Crocus fauseri and two others have been published ( in Austria, I think) by Eric Pasche.
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New crocus trio is really impressive. Nicest by pictures is Crocus fauseri - very good.
But I was mostly impressed by C. lydius - only 2-3 leaves with up to 6 ribs in each side of the grooves on leaf underneath. Seem it is highest number.
For the third - Crocus beydaglarensis - information is although complete but without careful reading and comparing with others at present I don't know how to include this species in key.
Nice that Erich et al. stopped rising of subspecies numbers. I think that many subsp. soon will be returned to species status. I started with this in my book in some funny way - explaining that writing trinominals (Crocus biflorus subsp. melantherus) takes too much place on label and on computer file, but really in my heart I felt that most of those subsp. must be returned back or replaced to species level. Last summer Erich & Co did it with Crocus roseoviolaceus and didn't placed minutus as subsp. of danfordiae.
Another feature to which Erich gave attention is characters of tooth on edge of basal rings. I always thought that it is important and quite constant inside species, although Brian Mathew disclaimed this. I saw this on Crocus tauricus, very special has C. nubigenus (similar in new C. lydius), very similar are tooth on all Eastern forms of biflorus group.
I hope that soon will be published phylogenetic research on crocuses maid in Gatersleben institute. It will be very interesting to compare it with Pettersen's et all. research results.
Janis
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New crocus trio is really impressive. Nicest by pictures is Crocus fauseri - very good.
I can't find any pics, where are they please?
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Pictures you can find in journal STAPFIA, but I don't know its internet link.
Janis
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Ah, I mis-understood, I thought they had been posted on the Forum. Thank you Janis.
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Janis thanks for article trio. Yes it seem easyier like this with only one name but where I have to place the fauseri pot! near to flavus!
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Here is my C. fauseri photo! :) from last year!
It is not necessary to keep it any more as a secret :(
The other part of picture I will post tomorrow when I will resize!
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Looks very pretty. 8)
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Janis thanks for article trio. Yes it seem easier like this with only one name but where I have to place the faussieri pot! near to flavus!
Don't understand your entry, Ibrahim. Of course any one have own principles to place collection pots. Are you placing them in alphabetical order by names?
Mine are placed by
The first - by blooming season - all autumn bloomers and all spring bloomers on separate beds and further by:
The second - growing conditions - starting from those which need wet soil all the year round and during summer must be placed outside (near doors - less walking bringing them out, closer to waterpipe, too)) and ending with those which need hot and dry summer (at farest end from main doors of greenhouse)
The third - botanical affinities - so flavus and antalyensis are side by side and the same are with those with annulate corms - biflorus group. All three new crocuses belongs to this group, regardless - are they regarded as separate species or as subspecies of biflorus. Of course - not all annulate crocuses are together. Priority belongs to growing conditions and in all main groups are sections with annulate crocuses.
Janis
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Here is my C. fauseri photo! :) from last year!
It is not necessary to keep it any more as a secret :(
The other part of picture I will post tomorrow when I will resize!
Very good, Ibrahim. On STAPHIA pictures didn't look so excellent.
Janis
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Janis,
Mines also placed in a few beds according growing conditions then by alphabetic manes. But it would be helpful to put them by group. For example biflorus grp. olivieri grp, flavus grp., antalyesis grp., chrysanthus grp, reticulatus grp, sieberi grp, ext. If there is anything different between them you can see easy by the leaves widenes or flowering time. ex.
I think this same also for the photos taken. If I put name fauseri they go different corner, if I put biflorus fauseri they go another corner!. I think it would be better to put fauseri in biflorus folder then to put in another folder by species level. isn't it!
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Here are the rest of my photos Crocus fauseri from locus classicus.
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Fantastic ibrahim
can't wait to see the open flower
Roland
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I could identify this crocus very easly like that; A nubigena with hittiticus anthers and the strips on creamy back ground.
Best Wishes....
ibrahim
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Ibrahim , thank you for sharing your photos of flowers, anthers and corms of 'my' Crocus =C. fauseri taken in the locus classicus .
I am honoured and thrilled to have a new Crocus named after me .
Otto.
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Ibrahim , thank you for sharing your photos of flowers, anthers and corms of 'my' Crocus =C. fauseri taken in the locus classicus .
I am honoured and thrilled to have a new Crocus named after me .
Otto.
Your crocus namesake is a beauty, Otto. Ibrahim's photos are super. It is a richly deserved honour and Ian and I are more than delighted for you.
I hope Crocus fauseri continues a long an happy life on its Turkish hillside.
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Otto,
My best selectios for your name, that it will continue by corms are below by the photo numbers.
-fauseri (on the back page)
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-09-10
-11
Maggi,
I have seen this crocus with big quantity in the wild so there will be no danger for this beauty at the near future!
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I'm merging the C. fauseri posts here 8)
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Very nice pictures Ibrahim,I would be interested to know the general area where it grows and from somebody who has read the publication what distinguishes it from Crocus biflorus
isauricus nubigena
(sorry meant to type nubigena,mental block I had just been looking at some isauricus in flower)
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Very nice pictures Ibrahim,I would be interested to know the general area where it grows and from somebody who has read the publication what distinguishes it from Crocus biflorus issauricus
I can't tell at present how to separate fauseri from nubigena without laboratory and if you have plant without origin, but isauricus never has completely dark anthers, in best case only connective is blackish and many (in some localities - most) are with pure yellow anthers. Style branches in isauricus are glabrous, in nubigena densely papillose, in fauseri according Pasche - papillose to scabrid. On Ibrahim's picture they are papillose. Seem that basal lobes on both (nubigena and fauseri) are long, in isauricus short.Later will check my herbariums - how looks style branches on my nubigena comparing with Ibrahim's picture.
Janis
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A lovely crocus and named for a most lovely man whom I'm privileged to call my friend. I'm delighted for you Otto.
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Thank you Lesley , I,m also privileged to call you my dear friend , a lovely lady I have had the pleasure to have known for 30 years .
Did not imagine that 'my' Crocus would cause so much interest .
Otto.
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Your crocus is a well deserved honor to someone who has excelled as a bulb specialist and as a much appreciated person. Simple as that.
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The second new Crocus beydaglarensis I pictured last spring in its locus classicus after very rainy night, early and cloudy morning. On my files I listed it as "strange nubigena/crewei aff. crocus". Two plants had blackish anthers. So now it got name.
Janis
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I have only two selected photos for this second new crocus fron same location Just few days after from Janis. Some of them were like the photos of Janis. My selection was just these two dark samles. It is almost imposible to say these are the same specımen! But I am sure that was the same location.
Crocus beydaglarensis
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Please see this new thread for photos from Janis and Ibrahim's trip to see more of the delightful Crocus fauseri, in the wild...
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8720.0