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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: Shadylanejewel on January 09, 2012, 06:14:06 AM
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Cyclamen coum should be blooming any day now and I would like them to hurry up.
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I have a large potful of C. coum. The flowers are lingering at soil level. Seems they are waiting for something....
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We had the first bloom on a Cyclamen hederifolium last week! And it's not even mid-summer!
cheers
fermi
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C. coum in one form or another have been out here for about a month. Photo shows silver/pewter leaved from 2006 seed
Erle
Anglesey. We saw some sun today! but not enough for my Crocus korolkovii
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Erle - That is beautiful silver leaf form!
If we have the sun which is forecast for this week, mine should finally be blooming.
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Here is C. kuznetzovii from Janis - I know it is a form of C. coum in many peoples' eyes.
Alex
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:o Wow Alex - That is one gorgeous Cyclamen! Another one to add to my ever-growing list of must haves.
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A couple of young Cyclamen coum seedlings (sown in 2009) are flowering here now in all kinds of pink.
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Wim - Your young'ins are all very beautiful. Still waiting patiently for mine or maybe impatiently waiting is more correct. ;)
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Wim - Your young'ins are all very beautiful. Still waiting patiently for mine or maybe impatiently waiting is more correct. ;)
Thanks Julie,
I know how the "impatiently waiting" ;) feels, in this case I only had to wait for 2 years....most bulbs take a lot longer to start flowering from seed
I'm looking forward to seeing some pics of your Cyclamen when they are in bloom, and of your Trillium of course, I read your a Trill-addict!
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Cyclamen coum Yayladagi
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Arnold - very nice coloring on the Yayladagi.
Unfortunately, it will be even longer before I'll have any blooming. We had a dusting of snow this morning with possibly more to come.
A couple leaves of C. mirabile showing through the snow.
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Here no snow ....Find this flowering Cyclamen alpinum in my rockgarden ...
Inside the greenhouse also some flowering Cyclamen persicum .
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A couple of Cyclamen alpinum both grown from seed. The first two, unlike me, I didn't record my seed source but it must have been one or other of the Exchanges. The second two from SRGC 07/08-1044 sown August 2008
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Some Cyclamen coum.
Cyclamen coum 'Golan Heights'
C. coum from seed SRGC 07/08-1054 labelled as Silver Leaf form sown August 2008. The leaf doesn't look particularly silvery to me?
C. coum from seed SRGC 07/08-1049 sown September 2008.
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I never met a cyclamen I didn't like.... every one a gem.
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Me too Maggi.
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Me three Maggi.
And oh what glorious gems from Kris and David! I would love to have a pure white flower on C. coum like David's 'Golan Heights'.
I can hardly wait to receive my seed from NARGS (requested quite a few cyclamen which are suppose to be white). Unfortunately, I am waiting for my small lots permit to be able to partake in the SRGC and Cyclamen Society exchanges.
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A couple leaves of C. mirabile showing through the snow.
I have never regarded Cyclamen mirabile as hardy - although some people get away with plants in their gardens. Hope you are one :)
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Hope you are one :)
Me too Arthur. They are planted under an Acer palmatum which is in a raised bed. I didn't plant all of them out just in case. ;D
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A couple leaves of C. mirabile showing through the snow.
I have never regarded Cyclamen mirabile as hardy - although some people get away with plants in their gardens. Hope you are one :)
Hi Arthur,
They have come through many winters here (USDA 6b) but are generally not long-lived outside. They are sensitive to any excess moisture in the summer when we get very hot and humid, and will come through a 'normal' winter OK with perfect drainage. They never look as good in the garden as they do in pots.
Best,
J.
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I never met a cyclamen I didn't like....
I have. I think it's called 'Stargazer'. A form of C. hederifolium if I remember?
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I never met a cyclamen I didn't like....
I have. I think it's called 'Stargazer'. A form of C. hederifolium if I remember?
Crikey, Gerry, you're right... I'd forgotten that one... it's horrible!
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"Beauty is in the eye of the beholder ........" 8)
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Some lovely cyclamen folk. I particularly like C alpinum - it has an elegance (well most do) especially when viewed from the top - the propeller like form of the petals is so superb.......
Cyclamen pseudibericum flowering for the time for me .....
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Beautiful David.
I don't have pseudibericum yet (seed requested now from several sources). Hopefully in a few years I'll be posting baby pictures. ;D
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Nice pseudibericum Dave. I have some seedlings sown October 2009 so migh have flowers next year.
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I have got C mirabile under scots pines in the garden, they came through the last two winters fine and flowered well. Also C pseudibericum coming into flower there as well.
Does anyone know where I can photograph Cyclamen balearicum in the Cevennes region ?
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I've got Cyclamen mirabile in a north(ish) facing raised bed in full flower at the moment. Will try to get a pic but am going to be away for the next few days. It is it's first season outdoors so will be interesting to see if it comes back next year.
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Two views
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Hello Jo,
I think I might be able to help you with your request for C.balearicum locations. I went to Cevennes in early May eleven years ago and it was in full flower... perhaps your visit is a bit too early to see it?
If you are going to the Galanthus gala I will pass info to you there, otherwise send me a pm.
Best wishes for success.
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And at us it is cold, and cyclamens blossom only in winter gardens.
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Natalia,
Your photo is tempting me to remove the 30cm of snow covering my cyclamen to check for flowers...it would have to be done in the dark too.
Robert
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Robert, we more 60 cm a snow cover... But the under snow earth soft, not frozen...
I hope that my cyclamens in garden is good under such "blanket".
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I posted this pic elsewhere, but thought fans of cyclamen might enjoy it. Its blooming in my garden at the moment. Its a much more vivid pink/mauve than in the photo, but it gives you an idea of how nice it is.
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Natalia - such a splendid color on your purpurascens.
ChrisB - Thank you for sharing your beautiful coum. What type of lighting conditions produce such a considerable amount of blossoms?
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Its just one corm. Its in the shade of our house during Dec/Jan but gets quite a lot of daylight the rest of the year. Its growing on top of turned over turf topped with sand and then gravel. Our soil is very sandy and free draining.
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I posted this pic elsewhere, but thought fans of cyclamen might enjoy it. Its blooming in my garden at the moment. Its a much more vivid pink/mauve than in the photo, but it gives you an idea of how nice it is.
Wow! That's free-flowering!! If you have any spare seed later in the year I'd love to see if its offspring turn out to be equally splendiferous 8)
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Its growing on top of turned over turf topped with sand and then gravel.
:o Chris - as soon as we get a break in the weather, I'll be turning some turf and bringing in sand and gravel!
Looks like there are quite a few offspring in the picture so it must set seed quite well.
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Super coum, Chris. I also find it grows better outside than in pots, though my best plants have been self-sown rather than planted. My best one is in grass. I don't know how many tubers are there as the flowers are all the same but there are different leaves. I have shown this already in the Moan, Moan, Moan thread. It was eaten by deer.
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Flowering in the greenhouse
Cyclamen alpinum (2)
Cyclamen pseudibericum
Cyclamen libanoticum
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Lovely clumps Roma. Guess your horses are not tempted to eat them eh?
Martin, I'll try to remember to take seed. The first corm came from David Boyd, who has won many a prize at shows with his cyclamen before he gave them up. He sold huge pans of them to us as seedlings and I put them in the garden all over the place. This clump has flowered better this year than ever before. I swear its the snow last winter that did it for them.
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Roma, I sympathize with yours Cyclamen... :'(
But as your plants in the closed ground are fine! :)
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Very pleased to pick some seed pods off Cyc. libanoticum yesterday. It always flowers well but I've not had seed before. I think something eats them.
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Lesley:
Ants.
myrmecochory
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The seeds yes but whole pods disappeared Arnold. Sometimes it happens with Trillium pods too. I suspect possums. They're Australian. ;D Besides, I've never found libanoticum seedlings elsewhere in the garden as I do with coum and hederifolium, long way from where they're planted.
Couldn't find that word in my dictionary but see that myrmecology is the study of ants and ant life.
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I think the seeds are covered with a sugary substance which encourages the ants to take them. They consume the sugar and cast aside the seeds.
E.A. Bowles mentions it in his Crocus & Colchicum on pages 27 and 158.
See http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmecochory
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The seeds yes but whole pods disappeared Arnold. Sometimes it happens with Trillium pods too. I suspect possums. They're Australian. ;D Besides, I've never found libanoticum seedlings elsewhere in the garden as I do with coum and hederifolium, long way from where they're planted.
Couldn't find that word in my dictionary but see that myrmecology is the study of ants and ant life.
Here squirrels take the cyclamen seed pods in my parents' garden. Could be your possums.
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Roma - I can see why you'd moan, moan, moan - the flowers were beautiful and now the seed will be gone as well.
Our deer change their favorites from year to year. One year it was primula, next anemone nemerosa (right as the flowers were going to open), epimediums and trilliums never safe but so far they've left the cyclamen alone.
All of your cyclamen are stunning, but I really like your libanoticum.
My seed-nappers are ants (cyclamen & trillium) and wasps (trillium).
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The seeds yes but whole pods disappeared Arnold. Sometimes it happens with Trillium pods too. I suspect possums. They're Australian. ;D Besides, I've never found libanoticum seedlings elsewhere in the garden as I do with coum and hederifolium, long way from where they're planted.
Couldn't find that word in my dictionary but see that myrmecology is the study of ants and ant life.
Lesley , after C. hederifolium and coum ,the most prolific seeder in my garden is libanoticum. I have watched ants carting away Cyclamen seeds but never possums ,which are a pest here in this forrest area ( just like in N.Z.) -even had a couple in my roof for weeks till I engaged a Possum Man who caged them.
edit by maggi to fix quote box ;)
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I find that I have to mulch all my cyclamen as the seed pods ripen to ensure they germinate well, but I don't know whether its because it provides the darkness they need to germinate or protects them from voles and mice.
Here is a group of C coum 'Nymans' which self seeds well and comes very true to type.
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Wow what a lovely picture 8) will try mulching mine to see if I have better success.
Angie :)
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The ants do a pretty good job here too, but I'd like to train them to bury the seeds where I get a good view of the resulting plant. This is the only good plant of C. coum 'Tilebarn Elizabeth' I have and it's 3m away from the path at the back of a border among the roots of a tall aster. :-\
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Some Cyclamenpics taken today in the order from most to less I worry about how they will look after freezing and snow: C. rohlfsiamum, C. persicum and C. alpinum.
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They look OK so far, Hans.
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Here is a group of C coum 'Nymans' which self seeds well and comes very true to type.
Beautiful Jo - I'll have to watch for seed for that one with the next Cyclamen Society seed exchange.
The ants do a pretty good job here too, but I'd like to train them to bury the seeds where I get a good view of the resulting plant.
Anne - wouldn't that be wonderful. :)
Hans - hope all of them come through the cold spell (not the usual weather for you). You have some gorgeous cyclamen even with the snow.
Oh happy day - finally 28 days after my initial post my Cyclamen coum is blooming! ;D
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Cyclamen coum, dark nose, pink flowers, from JJA seeds (list no. 360.600). It is the first flower for me :) I also ordered 'dark nose, white flowers' with this but didn't germinate :(
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:o Tatsuo - Quite a stunning beauty!
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Gorgeous YT ;D.
My wife, Nora , loves her cyclamen. We've never seen anything like this. Congratulations, a lovely thing.
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That is gorgeous Tatsuo.
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I have a new addition :o and it's Cyclamen. I bought some at the Gala.
Hans how come persicum dies with me but you have snow on yours?
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Thank you, all :) I've pollinated that flower yet ;)
Here is C. coum, marbled leaf type. I found this plant at a garden centre several years ago.
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We are just going through our Cyclamen hederifoliums. We have quite a few from various sources labelled ex Bowles' hybrid and yet can find no reference to a Bowles' hybrid. I have always assumed it should be ex Bowles' Apollo. Is this correct?
johnw
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That is a remarkable leaf, YT, I've never seen anything like it.
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Thanks, Anne :) Is this plant relatively rare ??? It's very slow grower, it put only one flower last season but I can see several flower buds now ;)
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That is a remarkable leaf, YT, I've never seen anything like it.
Neither have I. Sorry Tetsuo, but I can't help wondering whether it is virused? One of the cyclamen specialists should comment.
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That is a remarkable leaf, YT, I've never seen anything like it.
Neither have I. Sorry Tetsuo, but I can't help wondering whether it is virused? One of the cyclamen specialists should comment.
I'm not expert on Cyclamen, but my first thought when I saw that leaf was "virused." I hope it isn't.
Jim
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Gerry and Jim, well... it looks a kind of variegation for me. When I spotted this plant at a garden centre several years ago, it was only 1 pot in some ten C. coum pots. So I thought this leaf patteren must be rare, but next year I found the exactly same variegation plants at a Japanese nursery's web-shop. They say that the original plant of this variegated C. coum was found from seedlings at their nursery and can be propagated by seeds.
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Most viruses are not transmitted by seed, and it really is a very pretty leaf (if not caused by virus!) So let's hope this is variegation.
I've lots too many bulbs to viruses over the years; maybe I'm a bit paranoid.
Jim
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Tatsuo, I thought that it was virused too...but there's no way of knowing for sure unless you send a leaf for research to a lab.
And some viruses can be transmitted by seeds (not a lot, but there are some).
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Definitely no expert either, but virus was my first thought too. :( I had the same reaction to Hosta 'Leopard Frog'. http://www.hostalibrary.org/l/leopardfrog.html (http://www.hostalibrary.org/l/leopardfrog.html)
Thankfully, cyclamen aren't mass propagated by cutting them up (which is how Hosta Virus X was spread so quickly), so if it is a virus it may not be easily transmitted to other cyclamen.
Hosta Virus X - http://www.hostalibrary.org/firstlook/HVX.htm
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Jim, thank you for your opinion. I'm also a paranoid for viruses for daffodiles, irises, crocuses and lilies etc... ;)
Wim, I think it's the best way but not so easy reserching such minor crop at the pyto-lab at my country (both procedure and cost) :-\
julie, the symptoms on hostas you mentioned seems different to my plant, but thanks anyway ;)
So, I'll keep my eyes on this variegation plant and enjoy by myself ;)
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Will you be trying it from seed YT? If it comes true then % chance of being virus drops considerably, but as Wim says, doesn't (unfortunately) go away completely. :(. I can see what attracted you to it in the first place. :)
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Wim, I think it's the best way but not so easy reserching such minor crop at the pyto-lab at my country (both procedure and cost) :-\
It's very easy to test a plant over here, but the price is very steep indeed, I think it was 65 euro for one sample the last time I checked. And that is for an ELISA test, it only says if the plant is virused or not, it does not determine which kind of virus it is.
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Thank you, all :) I've pollinated that flower yet ;)
Here is C. coum, marbled leaf type. I found this plant at a garden centre several years ago.
Chatting on the Med. Gdn. Soc. forum the feeling seems to be that this is may not be a virus and may well come true from seed. Which might be fun :o
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Dear Jo, you are the exactly right person who I'm just waiting for ;) :) ;D
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YT
I am going to take your phoyographs to the Cyclamen Society Committee meeeting tomorrow for review.
Will advise on Monday
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Does anyone know if pollen can transmit virus when cross-pollinating? And what about fungal-infected plants? I assume it's more likely that pollen may transmit a fungal disease if it's systemic in the bulb/tuber/corm?
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YT
I am going to take your phoyographs to the Cyclamen Society Committee meeeting tomorrow for review.
Will advise on Monday
Thank you, Art :) I'm looking forward to your information. Have a nice cyclamen meeting on Sunday!
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A few C.persicum, the first one is a stray that appeared in a pot of Frit seedlings.
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Your stray is very nice Mark! So far, I only have one C. persicum and it has yet to bloom hope its flowers are as beautiful as yours.
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Hello Tatsuo,
I think the Cyclamen coum leaf is variegated and not virused. I have seen about four plants in cultivation with similar leaves and used to have two myself which I used in a display when the Cyclamen Society used to exhibit at the RHS shows in Westminster.
The only species that I have seen in the wild with variegated leaves is C. hederifolium, most were in the Peloponnese but the one shown was growing under olive trees at Ag. Stephanos Corfu.
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Hello Tatsuo,
I think the Cyclamen coum leaf is variegated and not virused. I have seen about four plants in cultivation with similar leaves and used to have two myself which I used in a display when the Cyclamen Society used to exhibit at the RHS shows in Westminster.
The only species that I have seen in the wild with variegated leaves is C. hederifolium, most were in the Peloponnese but the one shown was growing under olive trees at Ag. Stephanos Corfu.
Wow Melvyn , never seen a variegated hederifolium ! Not in cultivation , neither in the wild.
But I have here in the garden also a variegated coum . I have never planted it ! It is a seedling or is it possible that a normal form became a variegated one ?
I included a picture of this variegated coum ...
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I would always be thinking - is it virus ???
I did see a leaf like this in the wild and gave it a wide berth. Really not attractive and worth taking the risk.
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Hello Tatsuo,
I think the Cyclamen coum leaf is variegated and not virused. I have seen about four plants in cultivation with similar leaves and used to have two myself which I used in a display when the Cyclamen Society used to exhibit at the RHS shows in Westminster.
The only species that I have seen in the wild with variegated leaves is C. hederifolium, most were in the Peloponnese but the one shown was growing under olive trees at Ag. Stephanos Corfu.
Thank you, Melvyn :) :) :) I'm sure the variegated coum is not virused from my experience and knowledge about variegated leaf plants. And thank you again for shareling the extreamly rare hederifolium with variegation in the wild :o :o 8)
But I have here in the garden also a variegated coum . I have never planted it ! It is a seedling or is it possible that a normal form became a variegated one ?
I included a picture of this variegated coum ...
Kris, I also have the coum plants with the same type of variegation as yours ;D These are seedlings from Green-Ice-Nursery in the Netherlands labeled as 'variegata, (pink flower and many seedlings with variegated leaves)' 8)
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Kris, I also have the coum plants with the same type of variegation as yours ;D These are seedlings from Green-Ice-Nursery in the Netherlands labeled as 'variegata, (pink flower and many seedlings with variegated leaves)' 8)
Hello Tatsuo , I have also plants from Green Ice Nursery in my collection, but this coum came from another nursery .
It looks that coum gives the best chance to make some variegated leaves...
I know that in your country variegated leaves and plants are very popular . I am also a grower of succulent plants and I know their is a great demand in your country on variegated Agave, Haworthia and many others .
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Cyclamen graecum now starting to flower in the rock garden
last week (24-02-2012)
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cheers
fermi
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Cyclamen graecum now starting to flower in the rock garden
cheers
fermi
Here they only grow in our rockgardens in our dreams Fermi. But nice display anyway , I like them.
In our garden the alpinums and coums are in charge now .
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Just starting to flower here a few different forms of pseudibericum from magenta to almost white
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Kris,
I am also a grower of succulent plants and I know their is a great demand in your country on variegated Agave, Haworthia and many others .
Yes, I'm very interested in variegated leaves, too ;D ;D ;D
Fermi, so Autumn is just coming to your place ;)
Ian, a nice bunch of pseudibericums and a roseum with smaller blotch is lovely :)
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Cyclamen coum - self sown in garden
Cyclamen coum sown in 2009
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Wonderful looking coum plants Roma. Beautiful flowers and great leaf pattern.
I'm hoping with all the seed I planted this year, I'll finally have more flower colors than only dark pink.
This photo is the group of Cyclamen coum which are growing in a section of the garden which floods many times a year.
Julie
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1-3 Coum and Crocus
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:o :o :o Incredible display Guff! Absolutely beautiful!
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Some good flowering Cyclamen with sunshine - C. persicum and C. pseudibericum.
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Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum 'Pelops', bought last year. Does it look right please?
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Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum 'Pelops', bought last year. Does it look right please?
What's been chewing the flowers?
I think Cyclamen rhodium 'Pelops' is the accepted name now for this plant. One of the cycsperts will be along soon, I'm sure..... :-\
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Hello David, the flowers on your plant looks right to me for Cyclamen rhodium subsp peloponnesiacum, the name Pelops used to be given to forms with very speckled leaves. In the wild plain green leaf forms are occasionally found but it is more usual to see some silvery spotting or a hastate pattern,on rare occasions completely silver leaves can be found. The problem with plants grown from seeds from a collection in cultivation is that the rhodium (repandum) group are very promiscuous so with uncontrolled pollination the offspring may not look like the parent plant.
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David missed out on his elevenses Maggi.
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Cyclamen persicum
Grown from Cyclamen Soc. seed sown in 1997. The seed came from a plant collected in Israel during the Cyclamen Society 1990 expedition.
I had 6 plants till last winter. They seemed ok in spite of being frozen last winter. 4 grew away very well but 2 of those started to lose leaves. one has only a few leaves left the other has leaves and flowers but does not look as good as it did a few weeks ago. The two in front look very good.
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Fermi , here is my Cyc. graecum flowering in my much cooler garden than yours . -so not the abundance of blooms as in your garden
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Cyclamen rhodium ssp. peloponnesiacum 'Pelops', bought last year. Does it look right please?
What's been chewing the flowers?
Blerdy snail-it is no more!
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Hello David, the flowers on your plant looks right to me for Cyclamen rhodium subsp peloponnesiacum, the name Pelops used to be given to forms with very speckled leaves. In the wild plain green leaf forms are occasionally found but it is more usual to see some silvery spotting or a hastate pattern,on rare occasions completely silver leaves can be found. The problem with plants grown from seeds from a collection in cultivation is that the rhodium (repandum) group are very promiscuous so with uncontrolled pollination the offspring may not look like the parent plant.
Many thanks for that Melvin, I'll drop 'Pelops' from the label.
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Cyclamen coum Meaden's Crimson
A very dark magenta. The colour of the flowers on the photo doesn't do it justice. It is a nice very deep and dark colour in real life. When it has a backlit from the sun it glows spectacularly. The darkest coum I have seen so far.
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Very nice John. It doesn't seem to be as available as it should in the commercial market.
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John - Do you know if the seedlings come fairly true to type? What a beautiful deep rich color!
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Julie,
I have a several corms of Meaden's Crimson growing on different patches of the garden. All are raised from seed. Not by me, but from a specialist Cyclamen nursery here in The Netherlands: Green Ice Nursery www.bravenboer.tk. They sell corms and seeds of it as well as many other nice colour forms but also many other species. Outside the EU they only sell seeds. I have been at their place two weeks ago. What a great sight to see hundreds and hundres of all kinds of colours and shades of Cyclamen. Took some very nice scented white coum with me that time too.
If I can be of some help with them just ask. I am going to visit them at least two or three times this year for different species when flowering.
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Looks like Green Ice Nursery are going to be at the Spring Weekend in Utrecht...
17 en 18 maart, Bollendagen Botanische Tuinen Utrecht
http://www.uu.nl/NL/BotanischeTuinen/actueel/Pages/Voorjaarsweekend.aspx ..... anyone going to be there?
I'd be most grateful to buy a couple of those C. coum Meaden's Crimson if possible ? Not to mention scented whites..... :)
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Looks like Green Ice Nursery are going to be at the Spring Weekend in Utrecht...
17 en 18 maart, Bollendagen Botanische Tuinen Utrecht
http://www.uu.nl/NL/BotanischeTuinen/actueel/Pages/Voorjaarsweekend.aspx ..... anyone going to be there?
I'd be most grateful to buy a couple of those C. coum Meaden's Crimson if possible ? Not to mention scented whites..... :)
Maggi,
Unfortunately I am not able to make a visit, but I will be happy to make a phone call and ask them if they reserve some for you. He has only a few crates left of Meaden's Crimson this year when I visited him. They are selling real fast at these events. He does send plants to the UK though. I can send them for you too if you want? It is just an hour drive for me, so I will pick them up and visit some other nice nurseries nearby. You'll get a discount if the plants are to be picked up. I believe that is something a Scots(wo)man is always happy to hear........ like the Dutch ;D
Saw an awesome even darker purpurascens blooming really glooming in a beautiful way between all these other flowering cyclamen in his glass house two weeks ago :o. He used it for propagation purposes. This summer these purpurascens will become available when flowering so I will certainly make a visit at least this summer again and pick some nice dark ones myself :).
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John, I'll be in touch, thank you. :-*
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That is a great colour for a coum, John. And given how hard it is to photograph that sort of colour, I can only imagine how intense it is in person.
Thanks.
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Cyclamen mirabile is now in bloom in our shade-house.
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Looking a bit startled in this shot!
cheers
fermi
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Here is coum, a white scented form having a delicate but lovely smell.
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I'd appreciate an id on this one.
It came from AGS seed "C.creticum". I'm just not sure. Over the years I've sown alot of C.balearicum or C.creticum and what comes up seems to be somewhere between.
From the Cyclamen Society expedition seed C.creticum comes up as generally small, with sharply toothed leaves and small pure white flowers.
From "back in the day" I remember C.balearicum as having big blue green leaves with an overal wash of silver, and small white flowers with pink veining at the tips. But from seeing the old leaves on plants in Majorca I know that the leaves in the wild vary. I still think that the leaves are generally rounded, no sharp teeth.
Is that still the accepted difference between the two?
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Bought this Cyclamen peloponnesiacum earlier this year when it was dormant.
Hoping I can keep it alive as I really like it. :)
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A couple more Cyclamen graecum in the garden; the first has nicely marked foliage and came from the NARGS Sdx noted as having "good foliage" - donated by Ellen Hornig.
cheers
fermi
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On this forum you can see spring and autumn types in flower at the same time a real bonus
Here is one raised from Cyclamen society seed
C X sandersii (balearicum X repandum)
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The Cyclamen which I have labelled variously repandum, peloponnesiacum, rhodium or combinations of these names depending when the seed was acquired, were not watered before the very cold weather started in 2010 and produced about half a dozen leaves and flowers between them. The tubers of most were still quite sound and they are making up for it this year :)
Cyclamen repandum
Cyclamen persicum
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Coum and crocus mixed bed pictures I didn't get around to posting.
1-8 Coum and Crocus
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1-8 Coum and Crocus
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Wonderful plantings Guff. Just what I need as the snow starts here. Outside temp 5C at present, mid afternoon.
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I love these, Guff. What pleasure they must give you - and everyone who sees them 8)
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Beautiful pictures, Guff!
Most Cyclamen have lost their leaves and showed their seedpds - here a picture of some C. rohlfsianum from last month (meanwhile a lot of ant made their work. ::))
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Braided Cyclamen coum in March.
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a good start in a flowery summer and autumn,
Cyclamen purpurascens, orginal from Italy
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Well flowered C. purpurascens, Dirk. I have a few flowering now but with only 2 or 3 flowers.
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I have a cyclamen in my garden which was bought as hederifolium but always commences flowering in July and is indeed in flower now. Just wondered if this is more likely to be something else?. Perhaps purpurascens. It usually finishes as my other hederifoliums start to flower.
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Any idea why so many of my hederifoliums have buds? They arent open but are flat on the top of the tubers
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I have a cyclamen in my garden which was bought as hederifolium but always commences flowering in July and is indeed in flower now. Just wondered if this is more likely to be something else?. Perhaps purpurascens. It usually finishes as my other hederifoliums start to flower.
easy
if strongly perfumed they are C. purpurescens
C. hederifolium is most of the time not perfumed
Any idea why so many of my hederifoliums have buds? They arent open but are flat on the top of the tubers
they start this way Mark
later the flower-stems elongate
Roland
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I've never seen or noticed them in bud so early
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Here my earliest ones always flower end of June
but there exist clones C. hederifolium flowering half of June
Roland
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Thanks Roland, i will try the sniff test on the next dry day.
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Some very dark and deep coloured Cyclamen hederifoliums in my garden:
Photo 1. and 2. are newly acquired hederifolium extreme dark purple. This form is darker than hederifolium Red Sky, which is on photo 3. Red Sky has started to flower a few weeks ago. The newly acquired extreme dark purple ones were bought on a garden fair two weeks ago.
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Wonderful color, John ;)
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Thanks Nicole.
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I just found this nice plate on the boot-fair
of-course with cyclamen hederifolium
Flowering the whole year 8)
Roland
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here are some pics from my rare Cyclamen and some succsess :D
Cyclamen purpurascens 'Album'
Cyclamen purpurascens 'Album' self grow seedslings from my own seeds
Cyclamen purpurascens f. carmineolineatum
Cyclamen purpurascens f. carmineolineatum self grow seedslings from my own seeds
This shows that Cyclamen seedlings often true comes up !
Enjoy
Hans
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congratulations
very nice ones
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Thank you Roland !
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Hans, your Cyclamen looks very good. :D
Here a dark Cyclamen purpurascens with silver leaf.
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Thank you Udo :D
Your plant also looks nice !
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Cyclamen hederifolium, I enjoy the ones I keep in pots much more than those I have in the garden. This one from seed sown September 2008 from the SRGC Exchange (07/1041) that came as C. africanum!
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hello friends,
last weeks I was very lazy in photographing.
so I missed the full flowering of my selected deep color hederifolium,
but lots of seed capsules now. :)
this is one remaining flower:
Cyclamen hederifolium cv. Frohnau
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120828-183544-411.jpg)
unfortunately the seedlings are not so deep as the 'mother', but nice though.
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20120828-183544-270.jpg)
nevertheless ENJOY
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This one from seed sown September 2008 from the SRGC Exchange (07/1041) that came as C. africanum!
Seems to me an easy mistake to make David, if the information on this site is anything to go by! ;D
http://www.cyclamen.org/africanu.htm (http://www.cyclamen.org/africanu.htm)
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They always say Ron the best way to tell the difference between hederifolium and africanum is to leave one of each out in a frost and the dead one will be africanum
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Cyclamen hederafolium
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They always say Ron the best way to tell the difference between hederifolium and africanum is to leave one of each out in a frost and the dead one will be africanum
(http://www.bildercache.de/bild/20110417-133518-534.gif)
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Two forms of Cyclamen cilicium grown from the same batch of seed (SRGC Seed Ex. 1046/07) sown 29/08/08.
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Whoops, forgot one:-
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Some very dark and deep coloured Cyclamen hederifoliums in my garden:
Photo 1. and 2. are newly acquired hederifolium extreme dark purple. This form is darker than hederifolium Red Sky, which is on photo 3. Red Sky has started to flower a few weeks ago. The newly acquired extreme dark purple ones were bought on a garden fair two weeks ago.
John,
I just have to comment on those lovely dark hederifoliums. These forums are the only places I've ever seen ones with dark flowers, but I think yours is the richest colour of those I've seen here so far. Fantastic and well done for picking it up at a garden fair. There's a lot of us who'd be jealous I think. ;D
Hans,
I love the white purpurascens. Just beautiful.
Congrats on the variation in the colours of your cilicium, David. They're such a lovely delicate flower, aren't they?
Thanks for the great pics everyone.
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I love white purpurascens too Hans ;)
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From seed sown August 2009 Cyclamen mirabile ex forma niveum 'Tilebarn Jan'
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Lovely 'Tilebarn Jan', David. I've not tried that one from seed yet.
Results from seed of named forms can be variable.
The first two plants are from SRGC seed, 'Tilebarn Nicholas, sown in 2001. Only one has the correct markings. The first one usually colours well but not this year.
The next one ought to be 'Tilebarn Anne' but should not have a central green mark.
The other three are seedlings from the first plant.
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Does anyone have any suggestions for good sites to photograph Cyclamen hederifolium south of Naples, Italy ? Any suggestions most welcome.
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Lesley, Maggi, Hans thanks.
Coum and crocus bed was a ton of work, but well worth the effort.
Picture 1 My best red seedling in my dark purple hederifolium bed
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Stunning, Guff.
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A trio of C. hederifolium bought last year in an end of season sale from a garden centre. They look much better this year than they did when I bought them.
I chose them for their flower colour and leaf patterns.
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That's a nice dark hederifolium, Graham. I bought C. hederifolium 'Red Sky' from John Amand at the Discussion weekend last year but the flowers are not quite open yet.
Some Cyclamen hederifolium
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Does anyone know anything about Cyclamen adjaricum? I've just been given a young plant by a generous friend.
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Just googled Cyclamen adjaricum and found a few references including one fro this Forum. Topic Cyclamen seed P2 January 18th 2007. (sorry I don't know how to quote the url - if that's the right term :-X)
It seems it is a form of coum ssp caucasicum from Georgia.
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Just googled Cyclamen adjaricum and found a few references including one fro this Forum. Topic Cyclamen seed P2 January 18th 2007. (sorry I don't know how to quote the url - if that's the right term :-X)
It seems it is a form of coum ssp caucasicum from Georgia.
That SRGC Forum post is here http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=192.msg3464#msg3464 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=192.msg3464#msg3464)
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Thanks!
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I got seed of Cyclamen adzharicum (adjaricum) from Vlastimil Pilous in 2007. It is very much like C. coum, the flowers are a bit bigger. I have treated it like C.coum and it is completely hardy in Denmark.
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Extract from "Cycalamen-A Guide for Gardeners, Horticulturists and Botanists" Grey-Wilson 2002
"Cyclamen coum ssp caucasicum........ In the Caucasus a medley of different forms exist sometimes side by side but also as discreet colonies, and botanists working in the region have described many species in this complex, though few would uphold these today as distinct elements, the synonyms include, abschasicum, adzharicum, caucasicum, cicassicum, ibericum and vernum"
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According to the Kew Plant List and IPNI Cyclamen adzharicum Pobed. is an accepted name of the species. As far as I understand, Cyclamen adzharicum was described in 1950 by the Russian botanist Evgenia Pobedimova and in 2003 was Cyclamen adzharicum recognized as a separate species. But I fully agree that it looks like C. coum.
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Cyclamen graecum
Top: the most floriferous plant I grow. Obtained many years ago from Tilebarn Nursery
Bottom: the plant with the largest flowers. Raised from seed collected in the Peloponnese by the late Erna & Ronald Frank.
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Lovely plants Gerry. My own graecum, all from seed from various sources and sown in 2008, are showing a little leaf, but no sign of any flowers at all.
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Thanks David.
My own experience - though not extensive - is that C. graecum is quite slow from seed. A good deal slower than C. coum for example
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Well flowered graecums, Gerry. The first few times I tried C. graecum here I didn't get flowers and thought it was not sunny enough. A white flowered one from Paul Christian did quite well on an upstairs windowsill. In 2003 and 2004 I sowed seed from the Cyclamen Society from wild plants collected on one of their expeditions. I got a few flowers in 2009 and in 2010 two or three had 12 to 15 flowers. I was hobbling around on elbow crutches in October 2010 so did not get too many pics of them flowering. The gas heater did not get lit early enough and they got frozen. When I repotted them last year I was surprised how many were still alive. Unfortunately it was mostly the bigger ones which died. They didn't do much last year but are coming in to growth now and I can see flower buds on at least one.
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Cyclamen hederifolium 'Red Sky'
Cyclamen rohlfsianum
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This one's a month earlier than last year.
Cyclamen cilicicum
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...... and yours is nearly a month later than mine Arnold ;D
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Some of you may know that the Cyclamen Society is jointly publishing a 'Big Book' with RBG Kew, to be called: 'Genus Cyclamen: Science, Cultivation, Art and Culture'. This is just a note for anyone who has placed an advance order or is waiting for it to come out, to say that laying out the chapters is taking a little longer than expected and as a consequence it is now expected to be available in the U.K. late November/early December and in North America a few weeks later.
We're sorry for the delay but hope that it will be worth waiting for.
If anyone would like more information about the book, please ask...
Best wishes to all,
Martyn Denney
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Hello Martyn,
Thanks for the update. 8)
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If anyone would like more information about the book, please ask...
Is the price known please?
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David ,
the price for members of Cyclamen Society is 60,00 GBP - for not memers 90,00 GBP
+ posting ( for each book ) : insice UK : 8,50
Europe 14,00
rest of the world 16,50
Hans
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Amazon UK are offering it for £85.50 with free delivery in the UK.
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Finally my foundling from Italy near the Bolsena lake has reached its maturity.
The corm is not round but shaped like an odd potatoe. Roots mainly from the bottom.
It flowers just now. Leafs usually very few, but growing to a great size, similar to C.repandum, very thick.
The rest is shown in the pictures. The flowers are >30 mm in diameter. Colour is about true to the photo. Always small leafs as sepals at the botom of the flower.
I don't believe that this could be an ordinary C.hederifolium, which grows abundantly there.
Any guess.
C. confusum maybe?
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Cyclamen hederifolium can be very fast. This set was sown Feb. 2011. First flowers June 2012.
Seeds from the GdS Germany. Suposed Lysander form.
I am very pleased with this result.
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Any guess.
C. confusum maybe?
Well, I am confused. Very interesting.
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The leafs last year. About 10 cm in diameter was the biggest. Most much smaller, seven quite small (about 3 cm) and two big ones.
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By accident i nicked one flower of this special Cyclamen :P
Maybe the details will make up for it.
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C. confusum maybe?
C.confusum is endemic of Crete; it is a hederifolium for me, if C. hederifolium crassifolium ? I have no information if it grows there; remember to have seen similar plants near Firenze.
Here the frst Cyclamen, always the first Cyclamen graecum album:
Cyclamen graecum album group
Cyclamen graecum album - nice plant
Cyclamen graecum anatolicum
Cyclamen graecum
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Superb graecum album from Hans ;D
Here's some plants at the Cyclamen Society show last Sunday in Birmingham.
Cyclamen intaminatum
Cyclamen purpurascens
Cyclamen mirabile Tilebarn Nicholas, best foliage plant in the show
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Cyclamen graecum candicum, amazing plant from Ian Robertson, who took home a lot of silverware ;D
Cyclamen graecum graecum, a colour rarely seen on graecum
Cyclamen hederifolium album, a very graceful form and
its leaves
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and the last few:
Foliage class
Cyclamen libanoticum with amazing foliage
Cyclamen purpurascens album
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Thanks for showing these wonderful Cyclamen, Diane even though it does make me feel like giving up.
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Wonderul display of C. graecum album Hans !!!
Thanks for showing these beauties, Diane, I look forward to seeing some of them at the Kent show next Saturday ! :D
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Cyclamen graecum candicum, amazing plant from Ian Robertson, who took home a lot of silverware ;D
Cyclamen graecum graecum, a colour rarely seen on graecum
Cyclamen hederifolium album, a very graceful form and
its leaves
Diane - that C. graecum is an extraordinary colour. Do you know anything about its origin?
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Diane - that C. graecum is an extraordinary colour. Do you know anything about its origin?
Gerry, it was shown by Ian Robertson, and there was no indication of its origin. That probably means that it wasn't grown from seed from a Cyclamen Society expedition plant, as they usually do say if they are.
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Thanks Diane. What a pity there is no information. I covet one like it!
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Dark purple hederifolium, added the white flowers.
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Can i ask is it rare for hederifoliumto have a perfume because i have two that have the most wonderfull scent?
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Hello Davey, no its not rare for C.hederifolium to have a perfume, when the Cyclamen Society undertook field studies in Corfu and Zakinthos it was found that practically all of the plants were perfumed. What I have found to be more unusual is to find a good fragrant plant of C.hederifolium album. Pleased that you have plants that are perfumed because its a great additional attribute, especially if you are able to bring them indoors to appreciate it.
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Dark purple hederifolium, added the white flowers.
What a wonderful combination - and also a nice picture!
Gerd
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Hello Davey, no its not rare for C.hederifolium to have a perfume, when the Cyclamen Society undertook field studies in Corfu and Zakinthos it was found that practically all of the plants were perfumed. What I have found to be more unusual is to find a good fragrant plant of C.hederifolium album. Pleased that you have plants that are perfumed because its a great additional attribute, especially if you are able to bring them indoors to appreciate it.
Thank you Melvyn.
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lovely pics, Diane, thanks for sharing. That intaminatum is stunning.
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Cyclamen graecum subsp. anatolicum
From Rhodes
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Cyclamen graecum album
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You certainly grow a good graecum Gerry.
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Thanks David - by & large I leave them to their own devices. Plunged clay pots with the plunge kept just moist during the summer, no repotting & one feed per year (when I remember).
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Beautiful Gerry .Here a form with very large and twisted flowers . Even the silver leaves are there ........From seed collected on Rodopou.
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Superb graecum album from Hans ;D
Thanks Diane and Luc! ;)
Some great plants here!
Kris, the twisted flowers are fascinating, doubt I have ever seen this in C. graecum. Is it ex 'Rhodopou' or ex Rhodopou?
As there are different strains of Cyclamen species around (and offered in seedexchanges), is there any source where plants could be checked if they are true to type ?
If not, perhaps we could build up a database here in this forum similar this Hubi made for Crocus cultivars.
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Kris
here is one of my plants from Rhodopou. I ave several and they have long elegant flowers but mine are not twisted and they all have fairly standard leaves
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Some different forms of Cyclamen mirable.
The first has large squat flowers,the second is fairly typical and the third and almost white one.The last picture is a seedling from the white plant which has turned out to be pink.
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Tony,
Very nice mirabile forms! I have only few Cyclamen in my collection. They just start to flower here too.
C. graecum anatolicum
C. hederifolium
C. mirabile
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Some different forms of Cyclamen mirable.
The first has large squat flowers,the second is fairly typical and the third and almost white one.The last picture is a seedling from the white plant which has turned out to be pink.
Beautiful plants Tony.
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Kris, the twisted flowers are fascinating, doubt I have ever seen this in C. graecum. Is it ex 'Rhodopou' or ex Rhodopou?
Kris
here is one of my plants from Rhodopou. I ave several and they have long elegant flowers but mine are not twisted and they all have fairly standard leaves
As there are different strains of Cyclamen species around (and offered in seedexchanges), is there any source where plants could be checked if they are true to type ?
If not, perhaps we could build up a database here in this forum similar this Hubi made for Crocus cultivars.
Hallo Hans and Tony ,
I bought this plant few years ago as a young seedling at Peter Moore's nursery . On the label was written : ex Rhodopou ...
I was several times in Crete myself and on one of this occasions I collected seeds myself . In the seedbatch I can see many variatons !
Rhodopou is for me one of the locations with the most variation on leafs . Last time I was there in december 2012 and it was stunning to see al those variations .
I remember that I did see such twisted flowers in the wild to . Not many times but tough more then one time. And as I remembered wel (could check with my pictures ) , this was also on the Rhodopou penninsula ! I am almost certain that this forms grow on the penninsula.
Anyway I like this twisted flowers very much ! Good idea Tony , such database could help us !
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hederifolium darkest purple in the garden.
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Kris I think you are right about the amount of variation in Cyclamen graecum ssp graecum growing on the Rhodopou peninsular, variation in leaf and flower. When I first visited the peninsular in 1990 I was amazed to see so many 'silver' leafed plants and on subsequent visits saw one or two plants with pure white flowers. The other Cretan form , ssp candicum is not present there, or perhaps I should say if it is there I couldnt find it.
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Cyclamen graecum in a raised bed in the garden. This used to be inside a greenhouse where there have been impressive displays of flower in the past. Few last year though and I had not expected any this autumn, this cyclamen has only flowered once (one flower) outside here in the past. After such a cool, wet summer how come almost all the plants have at least one flower? We did have almost a week of temperatures around 30C at the end of July, perhaps this was enough to trigger flowering.
Proof of these being garden plants are the dandelions with the white cyclamen!
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Cyclamen graecum in a raised bed in the garden. This used to be inside a greenhouse where there have been impressive displays of flower in the past. Few last year though and I had not expected any this autumn, this cyclamen has only flowered once (one flower) outside here in the past. After such a cool, wet summer how come almost all the plants have at least one flower? We did have almost a week of temperatures around 30C at the end of July, perhaps this was enough to trigger flowering.
Proof of these being garden plants are the dandelions with the white cyclamen!
This is very interesting to read Tony . I often think about such test ....Maybe I trie it in the future , seedlings enough to see what's happen...
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Kris I think you are right about the amount of variation in Cyclamen graecum ssp graecum growing on the Rhodopou peninsular, variation in leaf and flower. When I first visited the peninsular in 1990 I was amazed to see so many 'silver' leafed plants and on subsequent visits saw one or two plants with pure white flowers. The other Cretan form , ssp candicum is not present there, or perhaps I should say if it is there I couldnt find it.
Hello Melvyn . I was 6 times on the peninsular and I could never find something that's look like ssp. candicum .... But we could not say that we looked on each square meter on the peninsular ...It's a bit to big for only two people .... But I think you are right anyway .
On the other hand , I think we did find ssp. candicum on many other places on the island to (even in the east)
And some plants that's look like graecum ssp. graecum ....But don't know if this is only confined to the peninsular and Spila ?
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Hello,
Cyclamen rolfsianum is in full swing now - unfortunately it not hardy here, even with very good protection!
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What a beauty
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Hello Kris, my experience with Cyclamen graecum ssp candicum is mainly at Platanias, Malaxa and the Omalos but it does grow in many other places on the island as does C.graecum ssp graecum, not just on the Rhodopou and Spilia.
Two species that have grown well for me this year are C.colchicum and C.purperascens album, maybe because of all the rain and cloudy days.
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Hello Kris, my experience with Cyclamen graecum ssp candicum is mainly at Platanias, Malaxa and the Omalos but it does grow in many other places on the island as does C.graecum ssp graecum, not just on the Rhodopou and Spilia.
Two species that have grown well for me this year are C.colchicum and C.purperascens album, maybe because of all the rain and cloudy days.
Thanks for the explanation Melvyn . Very beautiful colchicum and purpurascens album !
Here C. rohlfsianum and more graecum ... and also cyprium .
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Great plants Herbert, Melvyn and Kris!
Here a few C. rohlfsianum.
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It doesn't look as if I'm going to get flowers on my Cyclamen graecum this year but, I have foliage:-
C. graecum 1- grown from seed sown 08/09/2008 from a Tony Willis collection from Crete.
2-Another from the same collection.
3- grown from seed kindly sent to me by Paul Tyreman and this is a graecum white form.
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It doesn't look as if I'm going to get flowers on my Cyclamen graecum this year but, I have foliage:-
C. graecum 1- grown from seed sown 08/09/2008 from a Tony Willis collection from Crete.
2-Another from the same collection.
3- grown from seed kindly sent to me by Paul Tyreman and this is a graecum white form.
Nice leaves anyway David . And for cyclamen this gives also a lot of pleasure ...
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Cyclamen graecum
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Cyclamen graecum subsp. anatolicum
From Monte Smith, Rhodes.
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Delectable Gerry, you're just rubbing it in now ;D
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Sorry David. I don't usually get around to taking photos of them. Perhaps I should add that all these plants are pretty old; 14-20 years.
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My local garden centre has huge palm sized cyclamen tubers, labelled as hederifolium, in stock - a fool and his money ....
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Ask 'em to tell you where they came from ;D
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I did - Dutch wholesaler
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Some of the range of Cyclamen hederifolium colours available now, so much different from what you could see two or three years ago.
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Lovely to see these, Melvyn.
Was horrified today to hear the "experts" on the BBC Radio Scotland gardening programme tell a caller that it was not possible to naturalise hederifolium under some "raised" shrubs in the garden.
Nearly fell off my chair.
Protested but no notice taken. I thought everyone who professed any knowledge of plants at all would know that hardy cyclamen are ideal for naturalising in such circumstances.... there are certainly plenty phos to prove the point in this forum and such advice is not exactly hard to find elsewhere - quite where the two panellists, one from the HTA and one from the Glasgow Botanic Garden got their ideas from I really do not know. :-\ >:(
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Strange advice Maggi and just wrong, planting under shrubs is generally regarded as deal unless in deep shade, waterlogged ground, heavy clay or a location prone to constant heavy frost....... which of course would not suit many other plants.
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Had a wee disagreement with my local garden centre yesterday over how hardy the mass produced Cyclamen are. They had a hand written sign telling people they were fully hardy.
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Here's one of the large Cyclamen corms I bought. I soaked them over night and potted then today.
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I have a dark flowered Cyclamen hederifolium seedling. My camera doesnt show how dark it is.
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In the vein of Garden Centre comments I can't still figure out how one of the main producers of the dried corms has had for decades(?) a picture of C.hederifolim (though the colour is wrong) on the C.cilicium packets. I guess it's a case of let those with auricles hear.
I had surprise in the greenhouse - I had some C.libanoticum from Cyclamen Society seed - the packet said "good leaves" and I really didn't take much notice because I was just after some more C.libanoticum - a couple of years and the leaves were nothing special - this year, they are pink centred. That I didn't expect.
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In the vein of Garden Centre comments I can't still figure out how one of the main producers of the dried corms has had for decades(?) a picture of C.hederifolim (though the colour is wrong) on the C.cilicium packets. I guess it's a case of let those with auricles hear.
I had surprise in the greenhouse - I had some C.libanoticum from Cyclamen Society seed - the packet said "good leaves" and I really didn't take much notice because I was just after some more C.libanoticum - a couple of years and the leaves were nothing special - this year, they are pink centred. That I didn't expect.
Very nice indeed Mark . Would like a surprise like that !Never see such colour on libanoticum .
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Some hederifolium forms in the garden today (on a sunny and warm afternoon) ....
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Melvyn, fascinating to see those different reds on C. hederifolium!
Fantastic libanoticum Mark and very nice C. hederifoliumleafs, kris!
First time some seedgrown C.persicum var. autumnale bloom.
Many thanks to a very generous friend! :)
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nice hederifoliums Kris
Hans, how you get your autumnale to flower in the autumn? I have a genuine plant from Tilebarn - bought on condition I didn't complain if they flower in the spring and I've not got it to flower in the autumn - I also had seedings that I dried out completely and still they flower in the spring. I always thought autumnale flowered without leaves - yours seem to be fully leafed.
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Melvyn
I'm speechless, :o
all three are just stunning in particular the Reddish form in the middle.
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Beautiful leaves, Kris.
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Mark, I also would prefer C. persicum var. autumnale flowers without leaves, but I think it reacts like most autumnflowering Cyclamen, after some rain they start to produce leaves quickly, and we had a lot of rain here. I noticed spring flowering C. persicum hardly have any leaves actually.
Here it is the last autumnflowering species, maybe in the north it has a similar behaviour as some Crocus which flower in nature in autumn, but in cultivation in the north with less light (and lower temperatures?) in spring?
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Some Cyclamen flowering now
Cyclamen colchicum
Cyclamen graecum
Cyclamen purpurascens
Cyclamen mirabile
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Still plenty of flowers on Cyclamen hederifolium
The first two pics in gravel under the sitting room window
The rest in pots
The last picture is first flowering of Cyclamen hederifolium confusum ex Zakynthos on the left and C. hederifolium ex Rhoda, Corfu on the right, both grown from Cyclamen Soc. seed sown in January 2007
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Beautiful leaves, Kris.
Thanks Roma !
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Impressive Roma ! They al look great but Cyclamen colchicum is especialy nice .This species struggle sometimes in our climate .
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Unexpected the first flowers of the Cyprus form (subspecies?) of Cyclamen graecum
Although my label indicated only 1 tuber there are two different shapes of the flowers -
one with and another without 'ears'
Gerd
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An old C. rohlfsianum grown CS seed back in the 80'd. Flowers seem tubbier than its siblings but the pink is much lighter.
johnw
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John,
That is very different. All the rohlfsianum I've seen in person look much more elegant in flower than that, with very twisted petals. I rather like yours as it is so substantial. If you hadn't told us it was rohlfsianum I never would have guessed it. Fascinating!!
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That's what I thought Paul. Here's a sibling of the tubby one.
johnw - +6c & sunny
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Impressive Roma ! They al look great but Cyclamen colchicum is especialy nice .This species struggle sometimes in our climate .
Too early to say if it likes growing with me. Two flowers and one leaf on a plant sown in 2009. I have another pot with three tubers in it, sown 2007 - leaves but no flowers yet. It gets wildly fluctuating temperatures in my greenhouse and not a lot of attention apart from water when in growth.
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Too early to say if it likes growing with me. Two flowers and one leaf on a plant sown in 2009. I have another pot with three tubers in it, sown 2007 - leaves but no flowers yet. It gets wildly fluctuating temperatures in my greenhouse and not a lot of attention apart from water when in growth.
I think it is one of the more demanding species anyway Roma .But three years to reach flowering stage is not that bad . Wish you good luck with it .
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Here stil many flowers on the different graecum-forms ...
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This is the biggest Cyclamen hederifolium I know. I planted it in the Cruickshank Garden at the base of an Aesculus (I think glabra) about 30 years ago.
It must be at least a foot across. I have slides or prints of it fro a few years ago but this is the best I have seen it flowering since I have had a digital camera.
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Indeed a venerable and very attractive plant, Roma.
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This is the biggest Cyclamen hederifolium I know. I planted it in the Cruickshank Garden at the base of an Aesculus (I think glabra) about 30 years ago.
It must be at least a foot across. I have slides or prints of it fro a few years ago but this is the best I have seen it flowering since I have had a digital camera.
Congratulations Roma . Could name it hederifolium "big foot" ....Just another evidence that Cyclamen are like the best wines and getting better each year . But it depends on the winemaker or the gardener in this case.
Also another evidence that we have to plant Cyclamen hederifolium because his longlivety ....
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Stil much flower on this Cyclamen mirabile ....good leaves to ...
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lovely plant Kris
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Beautiful plant, Kris. That must be lovely when those leaves are nearly all pink to start with. I love just my more "normal" mirabile, but I have nowhere near that much silver on mine. Very cool plants, mirabile!!
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Thanks Paul and Mark . When you grow them from seed you get much variaton . Very rewarding to grow the from seed...
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More hederifolium forms ...
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Cyclamen cilicicum in flower at the moment. C. graecum and C. intaminatum are withered
since about 3 weeks.
Uli
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An area of burnt hillside with thousands of Cyclamen graecum in flower amongst the burnt shrubs
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Very impressive pictures, Tony. Which month did you take the pics?
Uli
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Uli four days ago on the Mani
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Fantastic photos Tony.
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Brilliant Tony ! :o :o
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I saw a similar spectacular display in a burnt forest on Spetses many years ago.
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Very nice this display. I have seen similar crowded places with hederifolium in Italy. Thanks god, without the burned landscape, which makes the display a lot more spectacular. :-\ The cyclamen take fires quite well.
I want to show my seedgrown plants from Green Ice N. All C. hederifolium four different varieties.
But it turned out they vary much more than I expected.
The tiny green spots are new this year. I hope its no disease. They started after the frosty nights of the past weeks
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Some were supposed to have narrow leafs. Only one lot had 50 percent of really narrow leafs. I separated these in another garden, with some narrow leafed from Hansihoes stock nearby.
Now some more of Green Ice N.s offspring. Much more to come the following years.
This plants shown took the very hard last winter without loss.
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Beautiful, Axel. My first Green Ice seedlings are just germinating. I look forward to seeing them grow - I hope they are as good as yours!
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I am pretty sure they will! :D
Don't judge them by their leafs in the first two years. They even got better in the year after their second blooming.
I just checked my first picture with the speckled silver leaf. It looks a bit like ice crystals, probably the cause of this colouring?
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Now two pictures of my narrow leaf selections. I have seen here more narrow ones, maybe with their seeds there will be more variations.
First one is from Hansihoes strain. Second Green Ice silver-leaf.
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If I could only grow one species of plant, it would have to be Cyclamen hederifolium, for the sheer variety and long display of the leaves. Don't tell the daffodils. :-X
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A later flowering Cyclamen mirabile and one of my favourite Cyclamen cilicium, a white with a pink nose. It was grown from seed as 'Bowles' Variety'. I also got a pure white as well as a few pinks and the leaves were good but not outstanding. I think the name should be dropped as according to CGW no-one knows what the original looked like.
PS. I spotted the aphids when I put the picture on my computer but I'm not going out in the dark to squash them. Hope I remember tomorrow :-\
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Wow Roma, those leaves are fantastic!!!! :o Did you grow them from seed?
A curious form of set seeds...the leaf was on its way ;D
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At garden centers there are plenty of cyclamens for sale that look like dwarf C.persicum.
What are they?Hybrids I guess but what is the cross?C.persicum X ?
Can they take some frost?
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At garden centers there are plenty of cyclamens for sale that look like dwarf C.persicum.
What are they?Hybrids I guess but what is the cross?C.persicum X ?
Can they take some frost?
I think they are just selected dwarf forms of persicum, John, not hybrids.
They cannot take much frost, in my experience, though some have found them to survive outside for a couple of years.
See this old thread :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6025.0 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=6025.0)
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Just a few cyclamen pics
Cyclamen (coum) elegans 2 x
Cyclamen cyprium with silver and dark leaves
and a very late Cyclamen purpurascens outside
Gerd
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Very nice Gerd, that is a lovely ssp. elegens.
My first Cyclamen coum of the season in the greenhouse although there are buds just about breaking in the garden. This one grown from seed (SRGC 1049/07) sown September 2008. Maybe Farrer was having a bad day when he wrote in "The English Rock Garden" 'In autumn appear the small rounded leaves, of a sullen and leathery dark-green, black and leaden in effect, and unlivened by the smallest touch of white.....' They cheer me up anyway!
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Nice elegans Gerd. I have a tuber that decided to take several (I think now 3) year's off. I have some Cyclamen Society seedlings that I have doubts about the accuracy of the labelling but have just also got some seed from a commercial source that I am sure are true.
The cyprium selections are very nice too.
David, Farrer was a bit of a strange duck to say the least. I actually quite like the plain leafed forms - they seem a little harder to find these days - I feel when in flower they make a better foil for the blooms.
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Maybe Farrer was having a bad day when he wrote in "The English Rock Garden" 'In autumn appear the small rounded leaves, of a sullen and leathery dark-green, black and leaden in effect, and unlivened by the smallest touch of white.....'
Farrer is even more eloquent on Fritillaria:
“Very miffy or mimpish, or both and the family all round has a bad character........... not to mention that an enormous number have more or less stinking bells of dingy chocolate and greenish tones, which often appear transfigured by the enthusiasm of those who desire to get rid of them.”
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Farrer is even more eloquent on Fritillaria:
“Very miffy or mimpish, or both and the family all round has a bad character........... not to mention that an enormous number have more or less stinking bells of dingy chocolate and greenish tones, which often appear transfigured by the enthusiasm of those who desire to get rid of them.”
Not acerbic anyway ;D
I wonder what he thought of the white & green things, not to mention the excitement around them ... ;)
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David + Mark,
Thank you for kind comments!
@David: Your Cyclamen coum is soo early - here only a few buds are visible.
@Mark: Here are flowers each year - but unlike with 'normal' C. coum never seeds.
Gerd
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Just a few cyclamen pics
[Cyclamen cyprium with silver and dark leaves
Gerd
Hi Gerd ,maybe the best silver cyprium I ever have seen ! This is a real beauty ....If it makes seeds I keep myself recommanded.... :-[
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....If it makes seeds I keep myself recommanded.... :-[
.... it seems it does - noted your wish!
Gerd
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Nothing new here except for planting seeds and tiny tubers received from friends. But I did find a picture or two in my files. Here is pseudibericum
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and libanoticum
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both from years ago.
Jim
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.... it seems it does - noted your wish!
Gerd
:D 8) Thanks Gerd.
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What is the shelf life of Cyclamen seeds in a paper packet or glassine envelope at room temperature? I started cleaning up the potting room bench, and I'm uncovering some wonderful treasures! I just am not sure how long they have been secreted among the junk and debris on my potting bench. So I'm planting them in any case, but I'm curious about how long they may remain viable. Any expert opinions out there?
There are seeds -- 6 to 8 per packet in most cases -- of things like balearicum, cilicicum, creticum, cyprium, intaminatum, mirabile, and pseudibericum, as well as many selections of coum and hederifolium. I can't just let these go, of course. Any advice on how best to start them?
Jim
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I think it depends on the conditions in which they have been stored. Ideal is probably a fridge.
Not sure what I would recommend but I'd defintely include soaking them for a day or two.
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Jim - Only one way to find out. Warm soapy water for a day or so should tell the tale. I suspect some of those species from the hotter parts of Greece and those Balearic ones should be just fine.
johnw
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Thanks, I'll see what I can do. Wish me luck!
Jim
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Yesterday we discovered the first flowering Cyclamen coum
in our meadow.
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I managed to figure out when I got some of the seeds I just planted -- July 2005, from the PBS BX. I'll keep track of what happens with them.
Jim
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Cyclamen coum albumissum from Cyclamen Society seed - there is at least one dark magenta one in the pot but I've not bothered so far to seperate them out. Maybe I'll get seed off it this year.