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Title: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on January 08, 2012, 07:46:22 PM
Romulea tetragona
Moraea polystachya
Lachenalia bulbifera

Oxalis versicolour, waiting for some sunshine.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 09, 2012, 12:32:16 AM
A good start to the new year Michael. :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on January 09, 2012, 10:17:16 PM
Freezia laxa hyb.
Freezia laxa azurea.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 14, 2012, 08:38:56 PM
Lachenalia bulbifera
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on January 15, 2012, 05:22:56 PM
That is an early flowering for R tetragona Michael, is it always so early for you? Seedlings are apearing here but all mature corms died last winter.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on January 15, 2012, 05:29:52 PM
That is an early flowering for R tetragona Michael, is it always so early for you? Seedlings are apearing here but all mature corms died last winter.
Peter i have 2 year old plants you could have some,they are from your seed.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on January 15, 2012, 06:01:45 PM
Thanks they would be welcome Dave, I have a few things I must get to you too. Are you going to the Derby group plant sale on 5th Feb at Breadsall?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on January 15, 2012, 10:00:06 PM
Peter, Do you remember at which (app.) temperature your plants died?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on January 15, 2012, 10:41:50 PM
They survived winter 2009/10 Alberto, kept  fairly dry, the sand was frozen to 14 inches deep. temperatures here were about -15 degrees centigrade that December.

They did not survive last winter 2010/11 when temperatures here were recorded at -18 centigrade, (and nearby in Derby which is milder -20 C). There was no heat on in this green house and the sides were not fully glazed either winter.

the same goes for Massonias, Polyexenas, Ferrarias,  Solaria, Gladiolus Splendens, Gladiolus tristis (a few cormlets survived), Ixias, Babianas, Freesias,Anomotheca,  most of my Narcissus tazetta forms perished, Crinum moorei, (Dietes -three species died the first winter the fourth in the second), otherwise all these had been ok in the winter of 2009 /10

Some surprising things did survive, including a single cormlet each of two Ixias, one Freesia had a corm survive, one of my two pots of Gladiolus Flanniganii, Cypella, Libertias survived. One of my two pots of Miersia chilensis survived as did a tiny piece of my clump of Nerine gibsonii. There is a long list of oddments which did survive but there is obviously a threshhold around minus 15 C which many bulbs wont go below, no matter what skill is employed.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on January 16, 2012, 02:25:41 AM
Thanks, Peter, what a dreadful list of losses, sorry to hear of them.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on January 16, 2012, 08:07:00 AM
Most have been replaced now from my own seeds, swaps and some I bought.
I now have a fully glazed green house and a heater.  I have had a few white fly as a result  :(
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on January 16, 2012, 09:45:39 AM
Most have been replaced now from my own seeds, swaps and some I bought.
I now have a fully glazed green house and a heater.  I have had a few white fly as a result  :(
Peter there are a few i can sort out for you when my stuff goes dormant.I will try to make it to Derby.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on January 16, 2012, 10:36:50 AM
Sadly, after the two harsh winters of 2009-2010 and 2010-2011 theyre are a lot of us with lists of plants now the dear departed.
As Peter has found, while some things managed to survive the first blasts, the second hard winter came upon them in a weakened condition and they succumbed.
I'm speaking here of bulbs generally, not purely South African species.

This winter is much milder so far but now we have growth too early, when the frosts may yet be devastating..... there's never a happy medium, is there?  :-\

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on January 16, 2012, 12:57:28 PM
Most have been replaced now from my own seeds, swaps and some I bought.
I now have a fully glazed green house and a heater.  I have had a few white fly as a result  :(

Peter - i would not worry about the whitefly too much. I see a few in late autumn each year but never enough to do any damage. I think that if you only close up the greenhouse and heat if necessary (as i do) then temps are too cool for them to be happy. The few minor frosts we have had this winter have only prompted me to close the vents and doors overnight on four or five occasions. I have still to use the heater.

As Maggi says - growth is really advanced this season. I don't think it is purely down to the mild winter because my cape bulbs started into growth much earlier in autumn as well. I think perhaps they went dormant so early in our hot April that they were more than ready to grow again by september, and the cool late summer persuaded them autumn had already arrived! Though not a cape species, or a bulb, Ranunculus asiaticus popped up incredibly early and I already have one plant in flower.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 21, 2012, 08:04:41 PM
Gladiolus griseus
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on January 21, 2012, 08:26:59 PM
Beautiful Arnold
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on January 21, 2012, 08:33:33 PM
Goodness me, every time I see a photo of such pretty 'Glads' I understand why folks are growing them.  8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 21, 2012, 11:23:14 PM
Especially nice with snow on the ground.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on January 22, 2012, 01:05:32 AM
Especially nice with snow on the ground.


Beautiful Arnold
I agree David, and not one I have heard of either. Is it frost hardy Arnold?? presumably it is in the Greenhouse?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 22, 2012, 03:03:58 AM
Peter:

Not frost hardy.  We can get 11F here at times.  It was 12 F last week and this Monday predicted to be 50F.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on January 22, 2012, 11:17:59 AM
Sounds like the UK  ::)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 22, 2012, 07:46:14 PM
A double spathe.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on January 22, 2012, 08:02:26 PM
A double spathe.
Or, as we would say... "value for money" !
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012 Michael...Arnold
Post by: Grahame Ware on January 22, 2012, 08:06:50 PM
Hi Guys: Thanks for those superb pix of Oxalis versicolor and Gladiolus griseus.

I hope that seed of those makes it way into next year's exchange.

The Oxalis Michael- how old is that plant?

The Glad Arnold- is the flowering from last year or from your greenhouse?

Cheers!

Grahame
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on January 22, 2012, 08:30:14 PM
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The Oxalis Michael- how old is that plant?

If my memory serves correctly (and more often than not it doesn't) it is at least eight years old.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 22, 2012, 08:49:09 PM
Graham:

The flowering is open now.  It is a return from last year. Flowers are very small

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Grahame Ware on January 22, 2012, 08:58:46 PM
Thanks guys!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 24, 2012, 05:59:13 PM
Gladiolus  trichonemifolius
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 24, 2012, 06:16:40 PM
I have a good-sized plant of Oxalis versicolor which I keep in a pot in my
cold but frost-free greenhouse.

Every year it produces buds but none has ever opened.  This year we had
some sunshine so I positioned the pot so that the sun would shine on it,
but the buds didn't open.

I decided maybe they needed warmth instead of sunshine, so brought the
pot inside and set it on a windowsill above a heater.  Still no flowers as
the buds shrivelled.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BryanEmery on January 24, 2012, 06:52:46 PM
Diane,
Not Sure why you versicolor does not open... I grow mine in a frost free GH too and it even opens on cloudy days, I do find it opens late in the day though. maybe you are not around at the right time of day?

B
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Diane Whitehead on January 24, 2012, 08:07:53 PM
Thanks for that, Bryan.  I'll try to remember to look at suppertime next year.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 24, 2012, 09:25:44 PM
First timer.

FERRARIA   densepunctulata             
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on January 24, 2012, 11:08:25 PM
First timer.

FERRARIA   densepunctulata             
WOW, fantastic thing Arnold.What temp is your Glasshouse?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 24, 2012, 11:11:04 PM
Kept at a low of 45-46F.  Today it was 65 in there due to our 50 F degree weather outside.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on January 25, 2012, 02:54:03 AM
Great, Arnold. Ferraria species are so rare in cultivation, other than crispa in its many forms.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 25, 2012, 11:19:13 AM
Kept at a low of 45-46F.  Today it was 65 in there due to our 50 F degree weather outside.



Is this why my Ferraria leaves are so floppy, much too hot indoors?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 25, 2012, 11:25:27 AM
Brian:

I would guess, I have some Lachenalia that are in the warmer part of the greenhouse and they have longer and floppier leaves.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 25, 2012, 03:41:09 PM
I will have to make alternative arrangements :-\
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on January 25, 2012, 07:17:54 PM
Adjusting a fan right at foliage level.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on January 26, 2012, 01:44:52 AM
I do have a fan running 10 hours per day which oscillates on the entire greenhouse.  When I water I add a second to increase ventilation to make sure foliage dries quickly.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on January 26, 2012, 07:38:46 AM
In the UK I think it helps to keep them as cool as possible so they don't try to grow too much during december/january and become etiolated in the poor light. I keep mine just frost-free and the greenhouse is open at both ends day and night except when the temperature is expected to drop below freezing. It has been closed for only 4 nights this winter (!).

However - in a winter like last year (long, cold and dull so no solar temperature gain under glass during the day) I found some cape bulbs resented being maintained at only 2C day and night for several weeks and their flowering in spring was affected.

That is a lovely Ferraria Arnold :)

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on January 26, 2012, 09:14:34 AM
Cheers Darren, that is most helpful, I knew I was doing something wrong.  They flowered well last year so I hope they don't resent my treatment this year :-[
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on January 26, 2012, 01:57:26 PM
Gladiolus carinatus from the greenhouse.
But I'm not really sure of the name.... if somebody could confirm  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: JoshY46013 on January 26, 2012, 06:14:33 PM
 :o :o :o :o

Very beautiful Fred! 
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Post by: Michael J Campbell on January 26, 2012, 06:25:04 PM
 :o
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on January 26, 2012, 06:29:50 PM
What I know about gladiolus can be written 100 times on the head of a small pin  :-[
I can say it is very beautiful and a super photo ( well, it would be, would it not?) - the markings are so delicate and I like the shape of the flower... quite full and almost lily-like.
Is it scented, Fred?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on January 26, 2012, 06:37:24 PM
Gladiolus carinatus from the greenhouse.
But I'm not really sure of the name.... if somebody could confirm  :)
That is super Fred,never seen a gladi like that before.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on January 27, 2012, 12:05:16 AM
That's a very pretty Ferraria Arnold, with those colours it almost has a benign look. Some others look as if they want to kill you. :o
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on January 27, 2012, 07:22:25 AM
Yes Maggi, it's scented... lightly.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on January 28, 2012, 09:32:30 AM
It could be carinatus Fred - the species is hugely variable. Great Western Gladiolus nursery in the UK used to sell a number of very different selected forms. Whatever it is it is very lovely!

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on February 03, 2012, 03:22:33 AM
Gladiolus maculatus
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on February 03, 2012, 07:48:12 AM
Nice Arnold, and much later flowering than my stock - it flowers in December for me and is now developing seed capsules. It has a terrific scent.

I've had some discussion with Alberto about this species. I hand pollinate it every year and get seed capsules but most years the seed is obviously not viable (no embryo, just papery chaff). My theory was that pollination occurred at a time of year when it is just too cold and dull here, even under glass, for the seed to develop properly. Oddly though - I got viable seed in the very cold winter of 2009/2010 and have seedlings growing on from this. Last year (2010/2011) was a dud because only one corm flowered. This  season was a good year for flowering and I hope the seed will be good too!

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on February 03, 2012, 11:20:24 AM
Darren:

I is a first year acquisition.  I find newly planted bulb can flower "off" schedule.

I'll get a better image this weekend.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on February 03, 2012, 11:48:34 AM
I have just a few South African bulbs  ;D
Moraea polystachya, a plant that ALL should grow if climate is suitable, its blooming season lasts months !
Tulbaghia capensis, a small creature but with a strong scent
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on February 03, 2012, 07:40:24 PM
Nice Tulbaghia Angelo, recently I was told that they are quite variable....
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 04, 2012, 03:10:17 PM
Pity for me Angelo,... climate isn't suitable  >:( :'(
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on February 04, 2012, 03:44:12 PM
Here's a better shot.

Gladiolus maculatus
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on February 04, 2012, 07:07:35 PM
marvellous one Arnold
I seeded this one a month ago
probably four years to go for I can show mine

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Jean-Patrick AGIER on February 05, 2012, 06:39:50 PM
I have just a few South African bulbs  ;D
Moraea polystachya, a plant that ALL should grow if climate is suitable, its blooming season lasts months !
Tulbaghia capensis, a small creature but with a strong scent

Really nice moraea Angelo!
I have a few Moraea Aristata which are in growth ( leaves are very thin ). Is it as rewarding as yours?
JP
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on February 05, 2012, 09:33:14 PM
Pollen sacs located inferior to the style.

 Ferraria densepunctulata      
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on February 05, 2012, 09:41:09 PM
Intriguing flower Arnold

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on February 05, 2012, 10:00:39 PM
Ohhh, nice Arnold
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on February 09, 2012, 03:14:12 PM
Chasmanthe floribunda Duckittii
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on February 09, 2012, 04:22:39 PM
Very nice Arnold i have Chasmanthe bicolor just about to flower.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on February 12, 2012, 06:53:40 PM
 Lachenalia aloides var. aloides
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 14, 2012, 05:08:41 PM
Hesperantha vaginata.    Thanks Darren.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ronm on February 14, 2012, 05:18:26 PM
What a stunning flower Michael. A good grower?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: santo2010 on February 14, 2012, 09:43:32 PM
Amazing Michael! And I saw some albums from your pics, What a collection! If anytime you want to swap seeds just let me know!  ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 14, 2012, 10:12:10 PM
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What a stunning flower Michael. A good grower?

Yes, but you must be careful with watering and ventilation as it is inclined to rot at soil level in cold damp weather. This is my first year growing it.Darren will be able to tell you more about growing it.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on February 15, 2012, 08:10:11 AM
Looking good Michael!  :)

Biggest issue with it is as Michael says - prone to rotting off at ground level. Grow it in a plunged clay pot and it is no trouble. In the wild it grows in conditions very much like some American frits - in sticky red clay that bakes very hard in summer. Ironic that it does not appreciate the moisture in cultivation. Experiments with growing it in seramis/cat litter granules look promising and my two-year old seedlings look like one or two might even flower.

After a particularly good flowering in 2010 my mature corms took a year off (not even leaves) but are about to flower again this year -don't panic if this happens. I thought I'd lost mine!

Seed set is good if hand pollinated - but the seeds MUST be stored warm (room temp or in the greenhouse) over summer before sowing in early autumn. Seed has a definite need for a post-harvest ripening period. Germination is excellent if you remember this.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on February 15, 2012, 10:12:00 AM
Looking good Michael!  :)

Biggest issue with it is as Michael says - prone to rotting off at ground level. Grow it in a plunged clay pot and it is no trouble. In the wild it grows in conditions very much like some American frits - in sticky red clay that bakes very hard in summer. Ironic that it does not appreciate the moisture in cultivation. Experiments with growing it in seramis/cat litter granules look promising and my two-year old seedlings look like one or two might even flower.

After a particularly good flowering in 2010 my mature corms took a year off (not even leaves) but are about to flower again this year -don't panic if this happens. I thought I'd lost mine!

Seed set is good if hand pollinated - but the seeds MUST be stored warm (room temp or in the greenhouse) over summer before sowing in early autumn. Seed has a definite need for a post-harvest ripening period. Germination is excellent if you remember this.



Darren, VERY useful information.... of the sort that it is very rare to find about plants...... invaluable to anyone trying to grow them. Thanks! 8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on February 15, 2012, 12:45:28 PM
 :)

Thanks Maggi.

It is a lovely plant and one which I was keen to grow after seeing it in the wild in 1999. My original seed came from Kirstenbosch in around 2001 (before they stopped sending seed overseas) making my 5 mature plants over 10 years old. Michael's plants are first-generation seedlings from these. Because I was keen to grow it well it got particular attention which is why I've managed to observe its needs quite closely over this period.

It was OK in plastic pots and my usual compost mix as seedlings but became less tolerant as it matured. After a few years of losing the top growth to collar rots in winter I decided to try the plunged clays in order to allow drier conditions at the neck. This worked and I've since done the same with other Irids prone to the same thing (the hairier-leaved Moraeas and Hesperantha pauciflora for example). Flowering in the Moraea has improved very markedly - possibly because this regime also allows more watering (and thus feeding).

With regards the seed storage: Two years I naively kept some seed over summer in the fridge and got zero germination. Nowadays I would never consider refridgerating winter-growing bulb seed if sowing the same year - it is completely contrary to the conditions they would experience in nature.

The year off:  Many SA Irids are prone to doing this anyway, especially after a cool summer I find. In this case, however, non-flowering plants in the same conditions grew away as normal the following season, only the flowered ones did not. It may be possible to overcome this, for example by limiting the amount of seed set or by giving extra feeds. I just don't know - yet ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Diane Whitehead on February 16, 2012, 12:13:56 AM
Lots of South African bulbs take more than one year off in the wild as they
wait for a fire.  Then some of them are up and blooming in a couple of weeks.

Maybe yours needs a little fire on top, or a bit of fertilizer instead.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on February 16, 2012, 01:40:01 PM
I have heard of some real disasters experimenting with fire on pot grown plants, smoke would be a safer option.  ;)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on February 16, 2012, 03:21:27 PM
Not convinced either way. This is not native to a particularly fire-prone habitat like the fynbos species are. The fertiliser idea is worth pursuing though.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 16, 2012, 04:37:25 PM
Good success growing Daubenya aurea in the garden, outside.
They are just flowering now.


(edit by maggi for plant name)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on February 16, 2012, 04:44:49 PM
Congratulations Fred!!! :o :P
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on February 16, 2012, 08:05:31 PM
Oh to be able to grow them out in the garden. They are wonderful  8)

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on February 17, 2012, 07:45:59 AM
Oh to be able to grow them out in the garden. They are wonderful  8)

Angie  :)

Oh to be able to grow them at all. My seedlings are still tiny after several years and all the mature bulbs I have ever bought have not survived the switch from southern hemisphere timing  :(

Really well done Fred and it inspires me to keep trying!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on February 19, 2012, 10:49:44 PM
This plant has a double scape.

Veltheimia bracteata
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on February 19, 2012, 11:31:51 PM
Nice one Arnold

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on February 19, 2012, 11:44:49 PM
Anything unusual about two scapes per bulb?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on February 20, 2012, 10:52:21 AM
I don't know
Never seen it before
it's over twenty years ago I have grown this one
but keep some seeds for the BX

Nick just gave me a Veltheimia capensis  last autumn :)
I hope it flowers next year

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 20, 2012, 10:55:24 AM
Angie,

I agree with you, it's very nice to be able to grow outdoor, but not in Vienne.... ;)
I took this pictures in Israël, in a very kind forumist's garden  ;D ;D ;D 8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on February 20, 2012, 06:25:46 PM
Angie,

I agree with you, it's very nice to be able to grow outdoor, but not in Vienne.... ;)
I took this pictures in Israël, in a very kind forumist's garden  ;D ;D ;D 8)

Your friend is very lucky  :)

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on February 25, 2012, 05:28:49 PM
Lachenalia aloides var. aurea
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on February 25, 2012, 06:40:40 PM
Chasmanthe bicolor
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/PICT0074-1.jpg)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fredg on February 26, 2012, 04:57:11 PM
Darn Dave, I didn't realise Tuxford was tropical 8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on February 26, 2012, 05:15:01 PM
Darn Dave, I didn't realise Tuxford was tropical 8)

 ;) I didn't think so either.... but I think his heating thermostat may be blown!  :o ;D ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on February 26, 2012, 05:19:42 PM
Darn Dave, I didn't realise Tuxford was tropical 8)

 ;) I didn't think so either.... but I think his heating thermostat may be blown!  :o ;D ;D
;D ;D ;DThis a pretty tough plant only just kept above freezing there's plenty to go around if anybody wants.Its soon orchid season Fred ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 27, 2012, 08:47:04 PM
Freesia laxa azurea. I find it difficult to get the colour of this one correct.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on February 28, 2012, 06:39:09 PM
Well done Michael,
I love blue flowers  :) this one is exquisite

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on February 28, 2012, 07:03:04 PM
A couple more.

Geissorhiza aspera.
Sparaxis villosa (syn. Synnotia villosa) or whatever they call it now ::)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on February 29, 2012, 07:30:58 AM
Freesia laxa azurea. I find it difficult to get the colour of this one correct.
Hi Michael.
If it's close to what comes out here it looks pretty good!

Here's the Crossyne flava - 3 flower heads this year,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 09, 2012, 10:37:47 PM
Moraea vegeta
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 09, 2012, 10:38:33 PM
Lachenalia
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 10, 2012, 08:05:01 PM
Lachenalia mutabilis
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 10, 2012, 08:09:13 PM
This is the current one.

Lachenalia mutabilis
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on March 11, 2012, 12:27:53 AM
cyrtanthus breviflorus
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 11, 2012, 02:27:21 PM
Gladiolus carinatus.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 12, 2012, 02:08:08 AM
A delicious Gladiolus Michael. I have just received some seed from Auckland, of G. calianthus.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on March 12, 2012, 08:00:35 AM
Nice plants everybody !
Gladiolus orchidiflorus, from seeds, nice perfume  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on March 12, 2012, 08:08:10 AM
For the second year my seeds didn't germinate
Is there a trick Fred ??
R
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on March 12, 2012, 08:46:09 AM
For the second year my seeds didn't germinate
Is there a trick Fred ??
R

I'm afraid nothing special Roland  :-\ I sow them in Autumn and they have germinated.
let's try again  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on March 12, 2012, 09:00:38 AM
I ordered them from South Africa
and sowed them in November/December
with many other but I find the germinating-rates very poor
from many less as 10%

R
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Diane Whitehead on March 12, 2012, 05:31:11 PM
Roland,

Is it only Gladiolus orchidiflorus that does not germinate for you?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on March 12, 2012, 05:41:34 PM
Hello Diane

No about 50% from the seedlings germinate bad see picture 3
30% germinates very good the other 20% are very divers in germinating

some gladiolus germinate as weeds within two/three weeks
same for some alstroemeria from Chile

R
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on March 12, 2012, 08:00:51 PM
To be sown in Spring, Lesley.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 12, 2012, 08:25:26 PM
So you think I should hold them for 5-6 months Alberto? It's my natural habit to sow as soon as possible. If I hold them, should I refrigerate them? There are just 3, so not enough to try some now and some later. :) They are nice and plump though.

There is something bat-like about Glad. orchidiflorus. :-\

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on March 12, 2012, 09:40:53 PM
They are winter dormant, Lesley, and likes cool conditions, not hot subtropical as other Gladioli do. It is very beatiful and elegant and the scent is powerful. The only possible drawback is that they flower very late in the season and in cold districts the flowers would be frozen.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on March 14, 2012, 08:06:20 AM
Hello Diane

No about 50% from the seedlings germinate bad see picture 3
30% germinates very good the other 20% are very divers in germinating

some gladiolus germinate as weeds within two/three weeks
same for some alstroemeria from Chile

R


I've found this too Roland.

I was once told that imported Gladiolus seed can have a fungal contaminant on the seed coat that destroys the newly germinating seed before shoots emerge. I don't know. Home-collected seed does seem better but I still get inexplicable failures (no germination from what looked like good seed of G carmineus or G caeruleus last season).

If fungicidal seed dressings are available where you are then they might be worth trying. As might a short soak in dilute bleach such as you might use for orchid seed, prior to sowing.

Some species have never produced seedlings for me despite numerous attempts from various sources - G. alatus and G. hirsutus for example.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 16, 2012, 10:18:56 PM
Lachenalia aloides quadricolor
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on March 16, 2012, 10:48:25 PM
Good to try for next year Darren

I will treat the seeds next year

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on March 16, 2012, 11:02:05 PM
Fred what a stunning Gladiolus - I have not seen this one before. So elegant like a tall willowy lady in a slinky figure hugging dress :) :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 18, 2012, 06:36:57 PM
A very large Lachenalia flower spike 8"
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Diane Whitehead on March 18, 2012, 09:44:52 PM
Hey, I like it.  I find most Lachenalias uninspiring, but that one is pretty.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 20, 2012, 03:45:48 PM
Diane:

Three more.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Onion on March 20, 2012, 06:59:13 PM
Arnold,

are you the national collection holder for Lachenalia? Have looked at the last few pages. What a collection, what different colours. So sad not have a frostfree alpinehouse.
Title: Sad death of South African Specialist
Post by: Maggi Young on March 20, 2012, 07:43:37 PM
PENROCK SEEDS, PENROCK PLANTS AND PENROCK SPECIALIST FLORA- sad announcement:

The death of Charles Craib, well known in the field of South African bulbs has been announced.
He passed away suddenly on the 19th March 2012.

There is more on the Penroc Website:
http://www.penroc.co.za/index.html
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: jshields on March 20, 2012, 08:31:00 PM
PENROCK SEEDS, PENROCK PLANTS AND PENROCK SPECIALIST FLORA- sad announcement:

The death of Charles Craib, well known in the field of South African bulbs has been announced.
He passed away suddenly on the 19th March 2012.

There is more on the Penroc Website:
http://www.penroc.co.za/index.html

This is indeed sad to hear.  Charles made many contributions to the bulb flora of South Africa.  He had many valuable publications in HERBERTIA.

Jim
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 20, 2012, 09:16:28 PM
Uli:

I wish we had the National Collection i the States, I find them most interesting plants.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Onion on March 21, 2012, 08:37:25 PM
No National Collections in the States?
Last year in Germany they start to install National Collections. The third or fourth trying. Hope the best for the collections.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 21, 2012, 09:27:32 PM
Uli:

Too many competing organizations.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 22, 2012, 06:24:33 PM
Romulea citrina.

Romulea rosea. This is a serious weed,if you have it in captivity don't let it escape.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 23, 2012, 01:54:16 AM
Ferraria divaricata
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on March 24, 2012, 06:08:19 PM
Moraea season is in full swing and the sunshine today has helped too.

Moraea loubseri (came from an exchange labelled M gigandra. Not too upset because it is a partner for my 12 year old single clone of loubseri and hopefully will get seed. Would still like gigandra though!)

Moraea ciliata. This has produced occasional flowers since early february but the warm weather has encouraged a proper display today. Amazing considering it took the whole of last year off and not one bulb produced so much as a leaf! The scent of this species is wonderful.

I've several forms of Gladiolus orchidiflorus and this is a nice clear green one.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 24, 2012, 06:54:08 PM
Super photos, Darren- you always treat us with your bulb pix.

Does the Moraea ciliata scent resemble that of Iris cycloglossa? It looks like it should!  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fredg on March 24, 2012, 07:12:13 PM
Oooooooooooh! Now I like the green Gladiolus orchidiflorus.   8)

 
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on March 24, 2012, 09:22:31 PM
Isn't the green G. orchidiflorus just stunning? Almost like some alien hybrid of mantis/butterfly and goodness knows what else. An amazing and very lovely plant. :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Alex on March 24, 2012, 09:31:49 PM
Babiana pygmaea today - sorry the first pic is taken through the g/h window - I can't lift the pot out to take photos as it has almost certainly rooted through into the plunge. A huge flower for the size of plant, anyway.

Alex
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on March 24, 2012, 10:50:44 PM
Oooooooooooh! Now I like the green Gladiolus orchidiflorus.   8)


Stay away Fred

I saw it first
but had no time to respond
Sometimes I have to work ;D

Ooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooh !!!!!!!!!!!!!

Daren

When did you say you wanted to swap these seeds ???

Also a fantastic Babiana pygmaea Alex

How long did it take from seed to flower ?

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Alex on March 24, 2012, 11:20:53 PM
Hi Roland,

Thanks - I dodn't raise it from seed, but got a few corms from my Dad maybe 5 years ago. I have a lot more now, and could swap a couple if anyone is very interested (for Crocus, Frits, Junos)...
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Casalima on March 24, 2012, 11:31:59 PM
Darren, that Gladiolus orchidiflorus  :o :o :o Superb!!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Paul T on March 24, 2012, 11:46:32 PM
Darren,

I'll join the chorus.  Glorious colour on the Gladiolus orchidiformis.  I flowered this species for the first time last year, but mine was an interesting grey-lavendar colouration (which I loved!).  Your green though is a whole 'nother dimension! ;D  Beautiful.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 25, 2012, 02:47:15 AM
 

Lachenalia mediana
Lachenalia mathewsii
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on March 25, 2012, 10:35:15 AM
Stunning photo of G. orchidiformis - I echo the oohing and aahing.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on March 25, 2012, 05:51:06 PM
Super photos, Darren- you always treat us with your bulb pix.

Does the Moraea ciliata scent resemble that of Iris cycloglossa? It looks like it should!  :)

I wish I could answer that Maggi - I've never flowered I cycloglossa! I have a number of seedlings I'm about to plant out in the garden but will have to wait a few years. The scent is hard to describe - a bit like a cross between a sweet shop and an oriental supermarket. I can detect hints of coconut and cardamon. But the scent is remarkably strong.

Now I sound like a wine taster...  not far wrong except I'm not spitting any out!

Thanks to all of you for your kind remarks. I've had to take more (and better) pics of my Cape Bulbs this year as I'm putting a talk together. A forumist has asked me to take it to their local group already.

The G. orchidiflorus is actually a self-sown weed in the plunge. There is a reddish form of the same species at the other end!

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on March 25, 2012, 05:56:11 PM
Oh and by the way - I managed to damage the flower stem on the gladdy whilst taking the picture so there may be no seed this year.. :(
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 25, 2012, 06:31:03 PM

I wish I could answer that Maggi - I've never flowered I cycloglossa! I have a number of seedlings I'm about to plant out in the garden but will have to wait a few years. The scent is hard to describe - a bit like a cross between a sweet shop and an oriental supermarket. I can detect hints of coconut and cardamon. But the scent is remarkably strong.

Now I sound like a wine taster...  not far wrong except I'm not spitting any out!

Thanks to all of you for your kind remarks. I've had to take more (and better) pics of my Cape Bulbs this year as I'm putting a talk together. A forumist has asked me to take it to their local group already.

The G. orchidiflorus is actually a self-sown weed in the plunge. There is a reddish form of the same species at the other end!



Do you know... it sounds like the Moraea scent might indeed be quite similar to the Iris cycloglossa - which is one of my favourite fragrances, after orange blossom.

You've got to love... and appreciate..... those self-sown plunge weeds... they generally turn out to be crackers!  8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on March 25, 2012, 08:21:28 PM
One Ooooooooooohhhhhh !!!! More darren  ;D
I've missed your G. orchidiflorus : superb form !!!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Diane Clement on March 25, 2012, 08:49:17 PM
I'm very pleased to have flowered this for the first time, whatever it is - seed from Silverhill sown October 2008.  But I got it as Babiana framesii and it doesn't look much like the pictures on PBS
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/BabianaTwo (http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/BabianaTwo)
Can anyone confirm or identify otherwise?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 25, 2012, 11:13:49 PM
Two views.

Note pollen located below.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on March 25, 2012, 11:19:31 PM
Addendum:



Ferraria divaricata and F. variabilis have dull-colored, darkly speckled or streaked perianths and produce ample, highly dilute nectar pooled at the base of the floral cup and are pollinated by eumenid and masarine wasps (Vespidae).

From:

Adaptive radiation of the putrid perianth: Ferraria (Iridaceae: Irideae) and its unusual pollinators
Peter Goldblatt, P. Bernhardt and J. C. Manning
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 29, 2012, 10:14:24 PM
Freesia alba.
Watsonia laccata
Veltheimia bracteata
Moraea aristata
Gladiolus cunonius
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 29, 2012, 10:21:53 PM
Freesia alba.
Watsonia laccata
Veltheimia bracteata
Moraea aristata
Gladiolus cunonius
Merciful heavens..... I would so like to visit you, Michael.  One of these years, I tell you! 
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on March 29, 2012, 10:25:43 PM
Freesia alba.
Watsonia laccata
Veltheimia bracteata
Moraea aristata
Gladiolus cunonius
Merciful heavens..... I would so like to visit you, Michael.  One of these years, I tell you! 

So would I. If you go can you take me  ;)

Angie :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 29, 2012, 10:32:14 PM
Quote
. I would so like to visit you, Michael

 No problem , I live at the end of the Airport runway. ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 29, 2012, 10:44:44 PM
Angela, that sounds a great idea.... and Michael is handy for the airport...so  all we  need is around £800 each for the flights  :o   
How good a swimmer are you, Angela?  ::)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on March 29, 2012, 10:58:34 PM
€1 Ryan Air ;D ;D ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on March 29, 2012, 11:00:09 PM
Angela, that sounds a great idea.... and Michael is handy for the airport...so  all we  need is around £800 each for the flights  :o    
How good a swimmer are you, Angela?  ::)

Why don't I drive and we could take Derek's trailer and just put Michael's greenhouse into the trailer, it is a big trailer and then that would leave the back of the car to fill with all the other plants that he has lying about. Keep this quiet Maggi as we don't want him to get word of this as we might not get invited over.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 29, 2012, 11:05:55 PM
Good thinking Angela.... he'll never suspect us.  ::)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on March 29, 2012, 11:12:02 PM
€1 Ryan Air ;D ;D ;D
We'd have to go to Edinburgh or Glasgow first, for a flight to Dublin then a hop to Shannon: Ryanair don't seem to be flying to Aberdeen anymore... besides, Angela seems to have come up with another plan! ;)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on March 30, 2012, 06:27:01 AM
Michael,
if we do get to Ireland soon, you'll definitely be one of the people we'll visit!

I only discovered this was about to flower last week as it peered through the undergrowth! That was soon cut away and the only damage seems to be a kink in the stem.
this is labelled Brunsvigia gregaria but I can't find any details on where it came from - it's not in my list of seed purchases from Silverhill but if it was it would've been about 9 years ago! Maybe it was purchased as a seedling.
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Paul T on March 30, 2012, 08:45:01 AM
It's a beauty, Fermi.

Michael,

You grow fantastic plants, that's for sure.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 01, 2012, 03:52:32 PM
Freesia grandiflora

Lachenalia contaminata
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 01, 2012, 06:39:34 PM
Sun came out and it opened fully.

Freesia grandiflora
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on April 01, 2012, 07:21:37 PM
Sun came out and it opened fully.

Freesia grandiflora
How lovely... I thought it looked pretty good already! It's a great "soft" but bright  colour.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 01, 2012, 08:00:16 PM
Moraea collina (syn. Homeria collina)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Paul T on April 02, 2012, 03:58:53 AM
Arnold,

Unusual Freesia.  Is this one of those things that used to be something else and is now in the genus?  Very pretty I must say.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 02, 2012, 05:05:46 AM
First flower open this morning on Moraea polystachya
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 02, 2012, 11:24:42 AM
Paul:

The PBS has this:

Freesia grandiflora, syn. Anomatheca grandiflora
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on April 02, 2012, 12:20:05 PM
One of my gems  8)
Moraea gigandra ... en mass
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on April 02, 2012, 12:35:16 PM
That is wonderful Angelo!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Rogan on April 02, 2012, 02:18:10 PM
Re. all the beautiful plants displayed on these pages: I could just live in South Africa! Wait a minute, I do - then why don't I have such beautiful flowers to oooooooooh and aaaaaaaaah over too? Well done and well grown, All.   :D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 03, 2012, 03:28:43 PM
Rogan

go into the wilderness
and open your eyes ;D
you live in one of the most beautiful countries of the world :)

on the other hand
I was once in Portugal on vacation
I saw hundreds of Tulips , Fritelaria's and Scilla's where we walked
a few Dutch asked us where we are looking after
I explained them we where after a special Scilla
to our surprise they hadn't even seen the (yellow) Tulips where they almost stand on :o

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 05, 2012, 10:59:03 AM
Geissorhiza radian is now flowering again so this is the second year for these corms,i didn't think there was much difference in the plants untill this seedling flowered.
Normall with orangey brown pollen(anthers)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/DSCF0035.jpg)
and here
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/DSCF0033.jpg)
Seedling with bright yellow anthers
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/DSCF0031.jpg)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 05, 2012, 11:05:28 AM
WOW , WOW ,WOW ,WOW 8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 05, 2012, 06:45:30 PM
WOW , WOW ,WOW ,WOW 8)
I do kinda like it as well.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fredg on April 05, 2012, 06:48:53 PM
WOW , WOW ,WOW ,WOW 8)

OK.... WOW  8)

It reminds me of a scene in The Great Escape
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 05, 2012, 07:13:52 PM
An other surprise today
I bought 30 cyrtanthus elatus
and under the dry skin  Surprise

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 05, 2012, 10:25:42 PM
That doesn't look good, does it. A dip in insecticide called for? :o

My Cyrtanthus compactus seedlings (Rogan) are coming through well for their second year. Very pleased.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 05, 2012, 11:06:57 PM
mealy-bug Pseudococcidae

A good dip will do
but I wasn't amused at all
I found them because one bulb was a little sticky

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Paul T on April 08, 2012, 02:02:20 PM
Paul:

The PBS has this:

Freesia grandiflora, syn. Anomatheca grandiflora

Arnold,

Thanks for this.  I was thinking of Anomatheca when I asked about possible other names.  Reminds me a touch of laxa.

Angelo,

That Moraea gigandra is beautiful.  Not a species I've ever grown here I think.  The petals look wonderfully round.

Davey,

The yellow anthers do add a certain something, don't they?  Just lift it a little brighter (as if that is really needed!  ;D).

Thanks everyone.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on April 08, 2012, 06:38:09 PM
Your G. radians are looking great Davey - I hope you are pollinating them?

The first flower on mine has been in advanced bud for days but we have had constant cloud and low temperatures so no chance of it opening yet. I've also an intriguing looking bud in a pot of seedlings of a 'Moraea'. It looks like a Geissorhiza and when (if) it opens will probably be white with a dark centre - I'm thinking G. tulbaghensis, which would be nice as I've never grown it.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 09, 2012, 01:56:32 AM
and seeds of course....

Massonia echinata
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 09, 2012, 07:12:00 AM
Yours are already so far Arnold  :o
Here in the poly-tunnels no sign of ripening
seed-pots sins weeks dark green

R
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on April 09, 2012, 08:43:27 AM
Arnold I also have seeds from my Massonia echinata.  So pleased that I have my own seed  :)

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 09, 2012, 11:20:25 AM
We've had some very unusual warm weather in the last weeks which caused all the bulb to ripened seeds earlier.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on April 09, 2012, 02:48:44 PM
Angie, prepare yourself for the mind blowing experience of sowing your own seed. It is really disturbing.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on April 09, 2012, 02:56:50 PM
Angie, prepare yourself for the mind blowing experience of sowing your own seed. It is really disturbing.

 ;D ;D ;D

I am running out of space quickly. I need another greenhouse or something else to bring on all my young plants on. Then I will need another greenhouse to put all my own grown Massonia in, wishful thinking  ::) ;D

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 09, 2012, 04:20:51 PM
Angie you don't need a greenhouse,I grow most of my plants outside in open frames with overhead shelter.

The first  one with the shading is where the neighbours hedge used to be,reclaimed land. :)
When I run out of space I just go up.

Yes I know, I am not very good at the timber work. :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 09, 2012, 08:37:15 PM
If it holds together Michael, you're good at it. :) I liked the benches Kristl showed somewhere, fat concrete blocks with wooden pallets on top of them. I've got Roger interested in somthing of the sort, so far as seeing what pallets are available aroundf town (at no cost of course ::))

In a previous house I made a very successful bookcase of concrete blacks spray-painted with gold lacquer, and green MDF shelving. It went 4 high and never wobbled or collapsed so I was very happy with it. The wallpaper at the time was a Chinese green and gold one and the bookcase looked quite good actually.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 09, 2012, 10:10:26 PM
...where would we be without clothes pegs?  It works Michael so its a success. 8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 09, 2012, 10:18:15 PM
 :) :) :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on April 10, 2012, 02:08:25 AM
Consider using large containers as community pots, it will solve most of your cultivation problems.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on April 10, 2012, 10:24:36 AM
Michael thats brilliant. Now that has given me some ideas. I have plenty of building material lying about so I just need to tiding up what I call my dumping are and get some shelves made. Not very good with joinery but if I wait till hubby does it I will wait forever. Concrete blocks might be the way to go.
Once this rain stops I will give it a go. I will post some pictures but only if you don't look to close. I never saw any cloths pegs so had to go and have another look.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on April 10, 2012, 01:12:38 PM
We even buy clothes pegs just for the garden ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 10, 2012, 01:16:36 PM
I thought I was the only one using wooden clothes pegs
to hold my aluminium shade cloth  8)

R
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 10, 2012, 02:18:25 PM
Quote
We even buy clothes pegs just for the garden

€2 for 50 in the Euro store. ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on April 10, 2012, 10:13:20 PM
Good to see others using cloth pegs for shadecloth. Michael I do wonder if you have ever fallen when trying to negotiate your paths between pots in some of those areas.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 10, 2012, 10:18:59 PM
Nope, not yet, ;D I have it carefully measured so that I can walk in a comfortable manner with a tray of plants without bumping into anything. The camera probably gives a slightly distorted view.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 11, 2012, 02:47:18 AM
Clothes pags are great in the kitchen/pantry too of course, to hold shut and airtight, packets of any number of food products.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on April 11, 2012, 09:41:09 PM
Ferraria crispa, self sown in an Amaryllis belladonna patch
Veltheimia bracteata, a rather dark pink form, althought is looks pale in photo
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 12, 2012, 09:55:54 AM
Your G. radians are looking great Davey - I hope you are pollinating them?

The first flower on mine has been in advanced bud for days but we have had constant cloud and low temperatures so no chance of it opening yet. I've also an intriguing looking bud in a pot of seedlings of a 'Moraea'. It looks like a Geissorhiza and when (if) it opens will probably be white with a dark centre - I'm thinking G. tulbaghensis, which would be nice as I've never grown it.
Could it be an alba form of radians Darren,i have seen pics of the alba form and it is incredible(i say alba very loosely because of the dark centre more like light coloured form).I have pollinated so there will be a seed,the one with yellow anthers is sterile.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on April 12, 2012, 10:34:35 AM
Your G. radians are looking great Davey - I hope you are pollinating them?

The first flower on mine has been in advanced bud for days but we have had constant cloud and low temperatures so no chance of it opening yet. I've also an intriguing looking bud in a pot of seedlings of a 'Moraea'. It looks like a Geissorhiza and when (if) it opens will probably be white with a dark centre - I'm thinking G. tulbaghensis, which would be nice as I've never grown it.
Could it be an alba form of radians Darren,i have seen pics of the alba form and it is incredible(i say alba very loosely because of the dark centre more like light coloured form).I have pollinated so there will be a seed,the one with yellow anthers is sterile.

I've not managed to catch it fully open yet thanks to the poor weather over easter and it being shut by the time I got back from work on the first sunny day since. However it isn't radians as the leaves are wrong (in fact they don't much resemble any Geissorhiza I grow). I did manage to prise open a flower enough to confirm the centre is a kind of grey/purple colour and not especially attractive.

The semi-albino radians is gorgeous, going by the picture in Curtis's botanical magazine recently.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on April 12, 2012, 10:37:34 AM
Just looked at tulbaghensis on the PBS wiki and can confirm this is it. Hope it improves when open in the sun!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 12, 2012, 02:40:38 PM
Lachenalia orthopetala
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 12, 2012, 04:02:50 PM
Just looked at tulbaghensis on the PBS wiki and can confirm this is it. Hope it improves when open in the sun!

I bought seed of this Darren last year put hasn't germinated,hopefully it will improve it is quite nice in the pics i have seen.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 12, 2012, 07:55:34 PM
Ferraria crispa.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Pete Clarke on April 12, 2012, 09:40:31 PM
Great photo of F. crispa Michael.
Now can you share your secret of how to flower it. I have had a large clump for years and never had a flower.

Pete.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on April 12, 2012, 09:50:46 PM
I agree that Michael's photo of the Ferraria crispa flower is lovely.... but did you folks spot the great flowering clump... self sown in a bed, that Angelo showed on the previous page?
 
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=8333.msg242665#msg242665

Quote
Angelo Porcelli     Re: South African Bulbs2012
« Reply #192 on: April 11, 2012, 09:41:09 PM »  

Ferraria crispa, self sown in an Amaryllis belladonna patch

I had no idea it  could flower like that!!

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 12, 2012, 09:55:07 PM
That's a very pretty Lachenalia Arnold, so light and airy. I have several now, all coming through just in time to catch first frosts which will descend any day. Most South Africans are fairly hardy for me but the lachenalias always get it, perhaps because of their fleshy foliage.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on April 12, 2012, 11:49:39 PM
Maggi, provided the sun and temperature range is to its liking the flowering season is very long for a bulb. Ferrarias are definitely not for small pots, they like free root run and make large clumps from the rosary of naked persistent corms (something very strange in an irid).
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Peppa on April 13, 2012, 01:58:04 AM
Ferraria crispa.

Wow, what an odd-looking flower, Michael! I love it very much! :D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on April 13, 2012, 08:17:24 AM
Maggi, indeed the previous photo is just a part of the clump, which is 60-70cm tall with many stems. I didn't post the whole plant as the photo is not very good. Anyway, as Alberto says, Ferraria needs deep soil to grow well, much better in the ground where climates allows. This species is very variable in colour, I have several combination of background and fringe, from yellow, brown to dark chocolate. In full flowering the plants emit a strange scent, an odd combination of vanilla and chemical notes
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on April 13, 2012, 10:55:59 AM
Thank you, Angelo and Alberto, for that information.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 13, 2012, 11:06:15 AM
Quote
Now can you share your secret of how to flower it

To be honest with you I have no idea,it was just pot luck. I think it might have been the mild winter followed by very warm weather with above average temperatures and lots of sunshine in March. It is in a 20cm pot in a mixture of 50% JI no3, 30% perlite, and 20% grit,the pot is plunged in builders sand in the greenhouse. It got one feed or miracle-grow at the beginning of March. 
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on April 14, 2012, 07:31:25 PM
Mine gets pretty much the same treatment as Michael's and is in a 15cm plastic long-tom rose pot (20cm deep). It flowers each year without trouble.  I agree it is happier with a deep pot and Ferraria are also one of those Irids which occasionally stay dormant for a whole season. This can be prevented to some extent by giving them a good hot summer ( my pot is moved up against the south facing glass in the greenhouse when the plant is dormant and being black it gets very hot). This might help with flowering too. Of course if I was in an area which got naturally hot summers (or any summer at all given the last two washouts here) I'd be wary of this cooking the plants!

However - I think it helps that I got the corms when already flowering size (10 years ago) so all I have to do is maintain it. Seedlings are extremely slow to increase in size in my conditions and I'm sure that a really big pot or planting out would be greatly advantageous in this respect. I'm absolutely in awe of Angelo's clump  :o

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 14, 2012, 10:53:14 PM
Angelo:

That's a spectacular looking plant.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ronm on April 14, 2012, 11:04:18 PM
Angelo, surely the scent is not of Affogato? If it is I must grow this plant. But surely not? 8) 8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 15, 2012, 01:27:38 AM
Mmmm, perhaps for lunch, I have the vanilla icecream, I can make some good strong black coffee and perhaps grate some chocolate on top. Maybe a pinch of grated walnut? Who says I have to stick with tradition? :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Rafa on April 15, 2012, 01:56:10 PM
WOW Angelo! there must be unbearable scent!! many people thinks Ferraria don't scent well, but I would like to make perfume of it!!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 15, 2012, 04:06:11 PM
Nice Gladiolus stellatus Rafa

how long did it take from seed to flower

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Rafa on April 15, 2012, 08:58:41 PM
3 years, but notice, that I grow gladilus from South Africa in Z8, maybe in their natural ihabits are more quickly.
Gladiolus is my third genus, I love it!!!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 15, 2012, 09:48:10 PM
Lachenalia liliflora
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on April 15, 2012, 11:32:38 PM
I found a huge clump of Ferraria crispa under and around gum trees on a roadside verge where it must have been tossed (there are the remains of an old garden nearby). It was growing in very friable sandy soil. I dug out some of the hundreds of corms that they develop and moved them here. They did not flower for a couple of years. The planting that gets the runoff from the gravel driveway when it rains (sand runoff I mean) is doing well. I also had a sandy area that used to be the children's sandpit where they are doing well too.  Sandy friable soil and plenty of sun seems to be the key and of course mine get plenty of root run. Not too much water though
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on April 16, 2012, 08:21:56 AM
Oxalis palmifrons - finally more than one flower open at a time!
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Oxalis massoniana
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Polyxena longituba
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This came as seed as Polyxena corymbosa but I wonder if it's the same as the above?
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Finally in flower after many years! Ornithogalum saundersii, the Giant Chincherinchee,
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cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 16, 2012, 11:13:05 AM
Lovely palmifrons Fermi. Mine yet again has nothing but the summer has been cool and wet. I think Polyxena longituba is the least exciting of them all. (I have masses) Corymbosa should be a bigger flower head, rounder and deeper coloured I think. There have been Forum pics a-plenty.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Filippo on April 17, 2012, 09:22:38 PM
Lovely pictures from all. And nice Lachenalia collection from Arnold!
So, Arnold, could you identify this species? I've raised it by seeds wild collected somewhere in South Africa.
The spikes are 20 cm tall or so. Leaves are marbled.

Other pictures for south african bulbs lovers:
Lapeirousia oreogena
Ferraria ferrariola
Unknown species aff. Albuca
The lovely twisted leaves of Cyrthanthus smithiae
The red seed-pod of Veltheimia capensis
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on April 17, 2012, 09:38:14 PM
Thats some lovely plants there. I really like the look of the Albuca and those twisted leaves of your Cyrthanthus smithiae are brilliant.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on April 17, 2012, 11:24:54 PM
Yes the twisted leaves are fascinating. You are growing a good range of plants Filippo
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 18, 2012, 12:08:28 AM
Filippo:

Looks like Lachenalia elegans var. suaveolens

Should be sweetly scented reminiscent of carnations. Found in Nieuwoudtville and Clanwilliam districts.

Produces one to two lanceolate to ovate-lanceolate green leaves which may be spotted with dark green above.



 http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LachenaliaSpeciesThree#elegans
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on April 18, 2012, 05:21:55 AM
Filippo, your part of Italy seems like a good place for South African bulbs. :D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Filippo on April 18, 2012, 08:44:02 PM
Thank you all  ;)

Arnold, the leaves are grey-green with RED spots. But I think it's the same species, Thank you.
Anyway...a sort of scent is present, but I guess it's not enough to be named "suaveolens"  ;D

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 19, 2012, 01:43:43 AM
Filippo:

Have someone else give it a sniff.  Scent can be elusive for some.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 20, 2012, 08:17:56 AM
First flowers from last years seedlings

Babiana tubulosa
Sparaxis grandiflora ssp grandiflora
Sparaxis sp.

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on April 20, 2012, 10:12:04 AM
Love the B.grandiflora ssp grandiflora colour.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 20, 2012, 04:09:52 PM
Pat

Must be S. grandiflora ssp grandiflora
small typo

I pollinated the two flowers
maybe I have seeds this year

R
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on April 21, 2012, 06:52:09 AM
Yes I should have remembered the right letter  ::)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 21, 2012, 06:57:53 AM
Gladiolus quadrangulus

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: anita on April 21, 2012, 02:50:18 PM
Pat, I've got Sparaxis grandiflora spp. grandiflora. Send me a pm at the end of winter and I'll dig some from the garden for you. I'm envious of that lovely yellow ssp. though, gorgeous colour.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 21, 2012, 03:29:55 PM
Anita

That one is almost sure wrong labelled
I have to sort out what it is

Roland


Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 21, 2012, 03:43:21 PM
This year Roland your stuff is fantastic WOW
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on April 21, 2012, 04:36:54 PM
Thanks all

Next year should be better
I expect a lot more flowers then
this is just 18 months after seeding

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 21, 2012, 05:01:39 PM
Thanks all

Next year should be better
I expect a lot more flowers then
this is just 18 months after seeding

Roland
WOW Roland i have some that are 3 year old and still no flowers at the end of the season could you write a list of all species that flowered with in two years please.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on April 21, 2012, 05:46:46 PM
Davey, times to flowering size vary according to growing conditions. The longer they take to reach flowering size the sturdier and healthier the plants are.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 21, 2012, 07:16:28 PM
Thank you Alberto.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 26, 2012, 06:03:59 PM
Romulea hirta?or Romulea leipoldtii

https://plus.google.com/photos/105169228901870620843/albums/5456385058589541329/5735756961906493234
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on April 26, 2012, 06:16:04 PM
Romulea hirta?

https://plus.google.com/photos/105169228901870620843/albums/5456385058589541329/5735756961906493234
Very lovely Michael... but  I'd think Romulea leipoldtii   :-\
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 26, 2012, 06:20:00 PM
Thanks Maggi, I did have  Romulea leipoldtii on the label as well but I wasn't sure
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 26, 2012, 06:34:08 PM
Tritonia Squalida,?
https://plus.google.com/photos/105169228901870620843/albums/5456385058589541329/5735763036947064978

Tritonia lilacina hyb?
https://plus.google.com/photos/105169228901870620843/albums/5456385058589541329/5735762993393960690



{edit by maggi as an experiment!}
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on April 26, 2012, 07:15:58 PM
I go with Maggi on Romulea leipoldtii Michael. By the way was (Romulea) lilacina hyb? a typo-you have it as Tritonia on your google pictures?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on April 26, 2012, 07:20:05 PM
Thanks David, getting confused with having to post the pics from the web site, not that it takes very much to confuse me at the best of times.

I have corrected it now.

cheers.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on April 26, 2012, 07:25:10 PM
I was just about to say that I thought they were Tritonia.... but I see there was a mix-up. That's the limit of my Tritonia knowledge..... they are very good flowers, though.....  8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 27, 2012, 03:11:55 PM
Homeria collina from HansJ last year.
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/april27006.jpg)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on April 27, 2012, 06:54:41 PM
Lovely Dave.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on April 28, 2012, 01:30:09 PM
Really nice Dave. I have that also in flower at the moment  8)

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on April 28, 2012, 03:12:23 PM
Thank you David,Angie give it a sniff it has quite a weird perfume.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on April 29, 2012, 07:47:33 PM
Lachenalia latifolia.

Wonderfully scented with a hint of clove.

Thanks for getting everything back and looking better than ever.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on May 02, 2012, 12:23:08 PM
Thank you David,Angie give it a sniff it has quite a weird perfume.

Here is another former Homeria (now Moraea elegans). It also has that weird perfume! Not to mention a weird colour scheme.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on May 02, 2012, 12:24:36 PM
I bought seed of this Darren last year put hasn't germinated,hopefully it will improve it is quite nice in the pics i have seen.

Here is a picture at long last Davey:

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on May 02, 2012, 12:31:42 PM

Geissorhiza mathewsii has increased from 1 corm to 3 - this might mean it is rather longer lived than its bigger cousin G. radians.

There is also a picture of the two for comparison - radians is the lower one.

Geissorhiza monanthos is also at its best at the moment.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on May 02, 2012, 03:00:32 PM
Fantastic colours Darren
the Geissorhiza mathewsii is spectacular

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 03, 2012, 09:20:11 PM
Here is a picture at long last Davey:
OMG WOW WOW WOW again,that is stunning Darren well done.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lvandelft on May 03, 2012, 11:08:25 PM
Here is another former Homeria (now Moraea elegans). It also has that weird perfume! Not to mention a weird colour scheme.
Really an unbelievable color, Darren  8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on May 04, 2012, 08:01:48 AM
Sadly both the Geissorhiza tulbaghensis and the Moraea are single clones. The Moraea has never even produced an offset in all the years I have grown it, nor does it seem to be self fertile. The Geissorhiza mathewsii did produce a few viable seeds from selfing last year so I'm trying again this time.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on May 08, 2012, 09:13:51 AM
Two species nerines flowering now:
first one, 2 x Nerine crispa [someone last year told me the correct name but I've forgotten it already- reminders welcome!]

cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on May 08, 2012, 09:17:04 AM
Nerine undulata LN Africa (N. crispa)

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on May 08, 2012, 09:19:43 AM
Nerine undulata LN Africa (N. crispa)
Roland
Thanks, Roland!
Next one:
2 x Nerine filifolia
is this one included in N. undulata as well? Foliage is very different but the flower is very similar,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on May 08, 2012, 10:04:52 AM
As far as I know this are some synonyms
maybe an other member know other ones

Nerine crispa see Nerine undulata
Nerine filifolia is Nerine filifolia
Nerine flexuosa See: Nerine humilis or Nerine undulata
Nerine flexuosa var. angustifolia see: Nerine angustifolia
Nerine flexuosa var. pulchella see: Nerine humilis
Nerine flexuosa var. sandersonii See: Nerine laticoma
Nerine humilis Syn. N. tulbaghensis
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on May 08, 2012, 09:53:58 PM
Watsonia laccata & Watsonia alteroides
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Rogan on May 09, 2012, 10:43:16 AM
Michael, the wild species also grow within a short distance of one another in the Western Cape near the town of Swellendam. They are very similar in stature if not in flower. Damp roadside verges (often all the habitat they have left!), and seepage zones seem to suit W. aletroides, wheareas W. laccata seems to prefer drier, more elevated spots:
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Rogan on May 09, 2012, 10:54:21 AM
Watsonia laccata has to be my favorite Watsonia; here's an image demonstrating how variable the flowers can be in nature:
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Diane Whitehead on May 15, 2012, 05:03:28 AM
Our weather has suddenly warmed up - lovely sunny days in the low
20s - and some of my bulbs have put up flower stalks.  So far just one
is in bloom - Gladiolus tristis.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on May 29, 2012, 03:34:30 PM
From the garden today a clump of hybrid Ixias that seem to thrive in my garden in a warmish spot, backed by some Dutch Irises and a garden Paeonia about to flower. I don't lift the Ixias for a dry winter and they come up every year without fail.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on May 30, 2012, 10:53:44 AM
Moraea Huttonii flowering for the first time from seed.
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/005-4.jpg)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Diane Whitehead on June 02, 2012, 04:55:54 AM
A few more open in the garden.  The first lost its label, but looks distinctive
enough for someone to identify for me.

   added later:  Nobody offered a name so I went through my bulb books for
similar photos, then compared my seed database with my garden maps to
see what is missing from the maps, and Chasmanthe floribunda var ducketii,
from Silverhill in 2007, is.  It is supposed to be plain yellow, so I guess this is
just the plain species.

    and even later:  no, it looks more like Chasmanthe bicolor, but I've never
 bought that seed.



The ixia is a sp from Silverhill.  I am not impressed.  I think it was too
insignificant for naming.

         added in October as I am preparing to send its seeds to the exchange:  The
Silverhill 2009 catalogue describes it thus:   A tall species with very pale blue flowers
from high in Namaqualand in damp areas, late spring flowering.

The Tritonia lineata is pretty.  I sowed it in March 2008, and this is its first
flowering.  Its code number is SF5271.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on June 02, 2012, 11:56:52 AM
My goodness, Diane, you're being real tough! I think the Ixia is rather pretty  :-[
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on June 13, 2012, 09:00:38 PM
The end of the flowering period for the winter growers here, at least unless my very few amaryllids decide to pop up flowers in mid summer.

There's a tale with these two pictures.

Our AGS group used to have a display at the Holker Hall festival in Cumbria each June. Back in the late 90s one of the donated display plants was labelled 'Moraea alpina'. I was rather taken with it so when I saw seed in the AGS exchange a few years later I got some. All I knew about M. alpina was that it was a summer growing Drakensberg species so I treated my (many) seedlings accordingly. By the time I observed that the seedlings really wanted to grow in winter I had lost most of them and realised it could not be M. alpina. A switch to a winter growing regime produced much improved growth in the only surviving plant, which then flowered. I have identified it as Moraea debilis. In fact the pot I originally saw at Holker was also M. debilis misidentified and I wonder if the donor of this plant also sent the seed to the exchange.

M.debilis is related to M tripetala but is usually smaller flowered and (distinctively) flowers at the very end of its growth period as the leaves die off, M tripetala flowers much earlier - usually March with me. M debilis seems to be rather rare in cultivation. M alpina coincidentally flowers at the same time but is at the start of its growth period. I googled for images of M. alpina and found M. debilis is masquerading as it elsewhere too!

As luck would have it I mentioned this story to a kind forumist at an SRGC discussion weekend and he soon sent me a few corms of the true M. alpina which is a delightful plant only 4cm high in flower.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on June 16, 2012, 09:49:28 PM
Haemanthus humilis ssp. humilis ex. Jim Shields
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on June 17, 2012, 11:16:13 PM
This one lives outside here and flowers for the first time.

Got is as Crinum bulbispermum Jumbo selection

We didn't have much a  a winter.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on June 18, 2012, 11:52:37 AM
This one lives outside here and flowers for the first time.

Got is as Crinum bulbispermum Jumbo selection

We didn't have much a  a winter.

 :o :o :o aren't you so lucky.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: jshields on June 18, 2012, 01:31:17 PM
I have some Crinum, a few bulbispermum and some [variabile x bulbispermum] growing out in an open bed -- not up against a building or wall.  I notice that there are several clusters of young seedlings coming up through the mulch.  In effect, Crinum seem to be trying to naturalize here in central Indiana (nominally USDA zone 5 but recently more like 6 or 7).  Curious.

Jim
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ronm on June 23, 2012, 12:16:07 PM
Babiana stricta

Probably my only contribution to this thread this year. Not a great rarity, but I'm just so very pleased to still have it. I thought it had succumbed during the winter of 2010/11, but noticed the one flower shining in the corner of an outdoor growing table a couple of days ago. It will continue to flower on the windowsill of our living room, filling the room with the most delicious perfume.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on June 28, 2012, 07:25:43 PM
Watsonia amatolae ?

Too big for my small garden,will have to be removed.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on June 28, 2012, 07:29:45 PM
Very nice Michael, but, as you say, a bit on the big side.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on June 28, 2012, 07:31:56 PM
Bit on the large side for your place I suppose, Michael, but perfectly formed and growing well.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on June 28, 2012, 08:04:02 PM
Maggi, that plant survived the winters of 2009 and 2010 uncovered in that position with temperatures down to -17c , but it is in a well drained soil.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: jshields on June 28, 2012, 08:07:07 PM
I wonder how that would do in the ground in Indiana?  I'm not at all familiar with Watsonia, except that those I've tried in pots have not looked happy and never bloomed.

Jim
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on June 28, 2012, 08:20:49 PM
Maggi, that plant survived the winters of 2009 and 2010 uncovered in that position with temperatures down to -17c , but it is in a well drained soil.

Given the size of the clump it looks to have been around for a while!
 Very nice indeed,Michael.... I hope you can find someone with more space who will give it a good home - be a real shame to have to just chuck it. It would be very smart in a big border.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on June 28, 2012, 08:30:55 PM
I wonder how that would do in the ground in Indiana?  I'm not at all familiar with Watsonia, except that those I've tried in pots have not looked happy and never bloomed.

Jim
You're about USDA Zone 5 there, aren't you, Jim?  Bit chilly, eh?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: jshields on June 28, 2012, 08:37:06 PM
Maggie, it can get down to -25°C here in Indiana in winter; but at the moment the weather bug on my computer just showed that the temperature here in Westfield is 103°F! (That looks to be about 39°C)  We could use a bit of that -25C right now.

I have Crinum that are hardy in the ground out in open beds here.

Jim
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on June 28, 2012, 08:50:54 PM
Michael you can't remove that Watsonia its beautiful  :o

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on June 28, 2012, 08:53:07 PM
Mercy, Jim, with temperature swings like that the Watsonias might survive - but I wouldn't! My days of coping with 103/39 are long gone!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on June 28, 2012, 08:55:38 PM
Quote
I wonder how that would do in the ground in Indiana?

Jim,I can send you a few corms  to try if you are allowed to import them.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: jshields on June 28, 2012, 09:10:36 PM
Michael,

They would be very interesting to try outdoors here.

I'm getting my bulb import permit renewed, I hope.  We can try and see if they will let them in without a phyto, once I get the new permit.  I'll be in touch.  Thanks!

Jim
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on June 29, 2012, 11:45:33 PM
Eucomis vandermerwei.

Sits in a greenhouse that reaches 105 F during mid days hours
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on June 30, 2012, 09:25:13 AM
.

......Sits in a greenhouse that reaches 105 F during mid days hours

Oh to be in England now that (Summer's???) here

Nice Eucomis Arnold
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on June 30, 2012, 03:33:28 PM
David:

That's 95 F outside the greenhouse. Shade cloth is on the way.  My Crinums last about a day in flower. 

 
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: johnw on July 01, 2012, 02:24:58 AM


Have never had a Watsonia flower despite planting deeply, that and Wachendorfia baffle me.  Wonderful one in your garden Michael!

It was 28c here today with 64% humidity.   Down to 22c now at 22:15.  Feels like Sumatra.  I'd expire if the Amorphophallus came into bloom in this steam bath.

johnw
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on July 01, 2012, 11:04:32 AM
Freesia laxa alba Purissima
or whatever for a name is really correct

This is the pure white form
without any trace of red
Michael send me the bulbs (thanks again)
I am happy because they are really white
and not as so often with a red blotch

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on July 04, 2012, 10:40:22 PM
Clivia F2 Gardenii x Yellow Miniata, yellow interspecific hybrid, semi pendulous.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Susan Band on July 15, 2012, 09:54:37 AM
A nice little South African bulb flowering at the moment. One of the few survivors from the seed I grew afer deciding we were really  Zone 8. Then we had the 2 bad winters  ::)
Any idea what it is?

Susan
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on July 15, 2012, 10:27:09 AM
No idea Susan
but I like it
and it survives a serious winter

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ThomasB on July 15, 2012, 04:47:31 PM
Susan,

I suppose your little beauty is an Ixia. Maybe Ixia dubia

Regards
Thomas
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on July 15, 2012, 07:42:32 PM
I'd go for Ixia too.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Susan Band on July 16, 2012, 09:00:56 AM
Thanks Thomas and David, I did order a lot of Ixia seed from silverhills.
 Ronald, I don't know if the bulbs were planted out before the cold winters or were still in their seed pots indoors. Time will tell if they are hardy.
Susan
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on July 19, 2012, 11:08:43 PM
A second flower-stem for this Ammocharis coranica

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on July 20, 2012, 11:19:15 AM
Ammocharis in another bulb I have not come across before. Thanks for posting Roland.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: orpheos on July 20, 2012, 06:44:26 PM
also my Ammocharis coranica is blooming for the first time! and it has a wonderful scent!!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on July 22, 2012, 08:31:39 PM
Androcrymbium striatum
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fleurbleue on July 23, 2012, 12:21:00 AM
Amazing, Michael  ;)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on July 23, 2012, 02:40:41 AM
Congratulations
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on July 23, 2012, 03:51:59 AM
Great Michael.

Nick name is "Cup n saucer or Men in Boat"

Any scent?

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Kirsten on July 25, 2012, 03:13:35 PM
I have had this as Ledebouria sandersonii for 10 years, is it the right name?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on July 25, 2012, 03:23:44 PM
Whatever the name Kirsten, it is beautifully grown  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on July 25, 2012, 04:00:30 PM
I can't help with the name either, Kirsten  :-[ ... but I do remember from old PBS posts that ID of these plants can be very tricky. L. sandersonii does, I believe, "fit" into all three of the general sections for Ledebouria!

http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2004-May/lic9q1c6mbbi122ej595bu6lf2.html (http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2004-May/lic9q1c6mbbi122ej595bu6lf2.html)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on July 25, 2012, 09:56:06 PM
They look a lot as what I bought as Ledebouria galpinii
but I am no specialist for Ledebouria
and are not sure if that name was correct

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Kirsten on July 26, 2012, 09:56:10 AM
Thanks to all. I think I will go on with Ledebouria sandersonii and add a "?"
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 02, 2012, 11:01:45 PM
The unusual Cyrtanthus eucallus for the first time in flower

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 03, 2012, 05:33:43 PM
One for Maggi, my first Eucomis in flower apart from the E.bicolor in the garden.  Eucomis 'Baby Opal' - who names these things?  It's a super little plant obtained this year.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Paul T on August 04, 2012, 12:00:57 PM
Roland and Brian.... both lovely.  Congrats on both flowering, but particularly Roland as it is his first flowering of it.  Very nice.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 04, 2012, 01:21:34 PM
Thanks Paul

I hope for next year for some more flowers in the umbel

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on August 04, 2012, 09:48:25 PM
I think Roland and Brian are both lovely too. :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 04, 2012, 09:56:09 PM
Eucomis autumnale Dwarf Form
two different seedlings in flower

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 04, 2012, 10:25:06 PM
I think Roland and Brian are both lovely too. :)

The feeling is mutual Lesley 8)

Lovely E. autumnalis Roland :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 04, 2012, 11:26:56 PM
There are some giants coming up I bought in S. africa
looks that they grow over a meter
much to tall for my poly-tunnel
I will post a picture as soon as they flower

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 07, 2012, 11:02:45 PM
Nerine krigei starts flowering here

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ChrisB on August 08, 2012, 09:34:15 AM
I posted this on the book thread, but its worth repeating here.  A member has written a book called The Smallest Kingdom:  Plants and Plant Collectors of the Cape of Good Hope.  Published by Kew Publishing - RBC Kew.  link is www.thesmallestkingdom.co.uk (http://www.thesmallestkingdom.co.uk)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 08, 2012, 09:44:56 PM
Eucomis zambesiaca starts also flowering

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on August 11, 2012, 07:00:51 PM
Same time different locale.

Eucomis zambesiaca
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on August 11, 2012, 07:02:35 PM
Haemanthus coccineus x albiflos JES 1114
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 11, 2012, 07:21:07 PM
WOW

what a colour Arnold
I hope one day you have some seeds from this beauty
how long did it take to flower

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on August 11, 2012, 09:35:25 PM
It was a gift from an American member of this forum.  Perhaps he can answer.

Arnold
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 12, 2012, 07:36:11 PM
Another little bulb.  This one has beautiful foliage too.

Eucomis Eudun, unfortunately as I was carrying this the pot broke and I had to repot it, hence a little bit scruffy >:(
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: jshields on August 12, 2012, 09:11:36 PM
Haemanthus coccineus x albiflos JES 1114

That wretched thing has never flowered for me after the first time, and looked much less attractive then!  Well done, Arnold!

Jim
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on August 12, 2012, 09:46:02 PM
Well Jim, not sure what to say.

Possibly send me all your none flowering bulbs and I'll give them a go.

I know they say we have the best pizza and bagels.

Is it the water?

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 12, 2012, 09:48:14 PM
You "Water" them every day ? ;D
what are you drinking  ???

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on August 12, 2012, 10:00:28 PM
Roland, not water everyday but a bit of TLC.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 12, 2012, 10:55:35 PM
(http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o284/mistytigergirl/Faces%20And%20Smileys/BigGrin.gif)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on August 14, 2012, 10:42:46 AM
Haemanthus coccineus x albiflos JES 1114

That is a beauty  8)

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on August 14, 2012, 01:49:31 PM
Thanks, It is a treasured gift from Jim Shields.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 14, 2012, 06:40:47 PM
Jim should ask you how to grow them  ;D

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: jshields on August 14, 2012, 09:23:57 PM
Jim should ask you how to grow them  ;D

Roland

Yep!!!

Jim
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: johnw on August 20, 2012, 03:09:14 PM
There just might be a few Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus seeds for the seedex this year.

johnw
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fleurbleue on August 20, 2012, 03:28:11 PM
Just a few, John !  ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on August 20, 2012, 03:59:07 PM
There just might be a few Cyrtanthus brachyscyphus seeds for the seedex this year.

johnw
My friend just got a new washing machine - will I ask her to send  you the cardboard  box to send the seeds in?  ::) ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 20, 2012, 04:55:20 PM
just enough for me and maybe one or two other hobbyists (http://www.animated-smileys.com/smileys/cheeky/animated-smileys-cheeky-036.gif)

(http://www.animated-smileys.com/smileys/garden/animated-smileys-garden-018.gif)

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on August 20, 2012, 06:43:33 PM
Eucomis sparkling burgundy (left)joys purple (right)
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/038-2.jpg)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 20, 2012, 07:11:42 PM
Great Davey, you're a bit ahead of us at the moment.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on August 20, 2012, 08:15:47 PM
Thank you Brian gutted a couldn't get down to the bulb sale and meet you again.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 20, 2012, 08:17:22 PM
Well hopefully we will see you at Ben Potterton's snowdrop day Davey?  I believe Ian Christie may be coming down to give a talk - my fingers are crossed!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on August 20, 2012, 08:28:46 PM
Well hopefully we will see you at Ben Potterton's snowdrop day Davey?  I believe Ian Christie may be coming down to give a talk - my fingers are crossed!

 This sounds like something we should  be promoting ..... Details ?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 20, 2012, 10:13:17 PM
I don't know any more at the moment, Ben's snowdrop day is normally at the end of January so the first social event of the season for the snowdroppers.  There is nothing yet on the website regarding next year, will let you know as soon as there is anything definite.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on August 21, 2012, 10:51:36 AM
John those seed heads look a little scary if planted in the ground.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on August 23, 2012, 06:36:36 PM
Here the Eucomis are coming up to speed, but compare the stage of Eucomis Pink Gin with that on Luit's thread for the weekly KAVB Flower Show - Lisse!
E.Eudun is now fully out and an absolute delight for a small plant.
Despite the terrible weather of the last two winters this self- seeded E. bicolor seems happy enough in the garden, others from the bicolor group are this seedling, E.bicolor alba, E.bicolor Stars & Stripes.
E.Oakhurst is a nice soft pink whilst E.Kilimanjaro is a good white.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on August 23, 2012, 08:19:11 PM
Every one Brian i love especially Eudun what a little gem that is.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on August 23, 2012, 08:54:00 PM
For me Eucomis Eudun is the winner

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Paul T on September 02, 2012, 11:38:26 AM
Haemanthus coccineus x albiflos JES 1114

Arnold,

I think that is the best flower I've ever seen on the cross.  Taken all the best shape bits from the coccineus but with a great pink.  I have one of the cross but mine is the shape of albiflos but pink.  I prefer yours MUCH more.  ;D

Brian,

That Eucomis Eudun is a cracker.  What a beauty!!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fleurbleue on September 02, 2012, 12:22:21 PM
Euden too  ! ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on September 02, 2012, 06:46:22 PM
Amaryllis belladonna x Cyrtanthus elatus
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on September 02, 2012, 07:09:57 PM
Your own cross, Michael? Very pretty blossom.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on September 02, 2012, 07:10:44 PM
WOW

How long did it take to flower

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on September 02, 2012, 07:38:01 PM
Yes it is my own cross and ten years from seed  to flower. :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on September 02, 2012, 08:22:55 PM
Amaryllis belladonna x Cyrtanthus elatus
WOW Incredible Michael,how big are the bulbs?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on September 02, 2012, 08:34:24 PM
About the same size as Amaryllis bulbs.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on September 02, 2012, 09:58:33 PM
 :o
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on September 03, 2012, 04:31:01 AM
Amaryllis belladonna x Cyrtanthus elatus
Amazing plant, Mr Amazing! ;D

here's Babiana pygmaea in our Rock Garden,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Paul T on September 03, 2012, 08:08:07 AM
Michael,

Interesting plant.  What Cyrtanthus elatus characteristics has it inherited?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on September 03, 2012, 09:22:57 AM
The flower shape and petals and the height of the flower stem, also the anthers.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Paul T on September 03, 2012, 09:44:08 AM
Good to hear, Michael.  Always hard to tell from a single picture.  Now you've got me trying to remember what the anthers normally look like on belladonnas.  ;D  My brain hurts.  :o

It's fascinating to hear about such crosses that we would normally never think about even trying, let alone seeing flower.  Well done! 8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: vanozzi on September 16, 2012, 07:09:52 AM
Spiloxene carpensis has been blooming for a week or so. Such a strikingly beautiful flower !
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on September 16, 2012, 10:46:04 AM
It sure is, Paul.... and super pix too.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Michael J Campbell on September 16, 2012, 12:23:18 PM
Paul, Here is a pic of the two plants together, there is a big difference.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on September 17, 2012, 01:10:30 AM
A couple of years ago Andrew Broome (remember AB?) kindly sent me seeds of among other things, Romulea tetragona. They are already flowering, or a few of them are, a brilliant lolly pink on short, slightly felted foliage. When I get the camera sorted..... It's a lovely thing on foliage which I though had been eaten off at the tips because each leaf seems to be flat across the top but I think now it's just the way it is.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on September 17, 2012, 06:14:41 AM
good idea and wonderful result Michael  :) Congratulations !
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Miriam on September 17, 2012, 07:30:56 PM
Amaryllis belladonna...autumn is here  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on September 17, 2012, 09:42:02 PM
Wonderful clump and wonderful light for your picture Miriam !!! :) :) :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 27, 2012, 09:42:24 AM
Last picture of a Eucomis this year I am sure, prompted by Luit's report from Lisse, here is Eucomis Playa Blanca ... and even though I say it myself, it looks better than those at Lisse :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lvandelft on September 27, 2012, 11:01:35 PM
Brian, with you the plant looks much better indeed. As an excuse, I made my picture this week, but the plant was already there a week earlier but still more in bud.  And I presume it was grown under glass, probably due to our windy weather to keep the leaves nice. Therefore the colour is not so good. It is much more whitish.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Brian Ellis on September 28, 2012, 10:27:15 AM
Yes Luit, it would be totally different growing conditions, this has been outside in a pot since early April.  Splendid Eucomis :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on September 29, 2012, 08:23:33 AM
Hans the pollen did the job and here's the pods forming.
(http://i964.photobucket.com/albums/ae121/davep1970/001-13.jpg)
There's another one on a different spike.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Hans J on September 29, 2012, 09:14:05 AM
Davey ,

congratulation for the good pollination  ;D

Hans 8)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Hans J on October 03, 2012, 03:22:15 PM
please look here for a other rare african bulb plant :

http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9213.msg256840#msg256840 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=9213.msg256840#msg256840)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 08, 2012, 08:46:28 AM
Some South African bulbs now in flower at our place:
- Geissorhiza tulbaghensis per kind favour of Miriam;
- one of the seedlings appears lime green!
- a rather tiny Bulbinella triquetra - might suit a trough!
- Hesperatha bachmannii
- and what I presume is Merwilla dracomontana - I've written more on the "Scilla" thread
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 15, 2012, 07:49:16 AM
Some more geissorhiza are in bloom:
G. radians
G. monathos
G. aspera
and another look at G. tulbaghensis
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 15, 2012, 07:55:04 AM
If you need an Ixia Fix, now's the time!
These are a mix of species so some hybrids are appearing,
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on October 15, 2012, 09:15:47 AM
Looking very colouful Fermi, love your Ixias.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Menai on October 18, 2012, 11:28:44 PM
A number of my Massonia pustulata, grown from seed, have produced buds this year but development seems to have stalled in the last fortnight. Do they need increased heat or additional light? They are growing in an unheated greenhouse here in Anglesey. If they need light should it be given to lengthen the day or merely to increase the intensity during regular daylight hours? Any help welcome.

Erle
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on October 19, 2012, 08:11:01 AM
Erle - they don't need any extra heat or light so don't waste your money.
I'm further north than you and grow mine in similar conditions without extra light (or heating except on really frosty nights). My pustulata have been VERY late coming into growth this year, as have depressa and some pygmaea. It may be possible that the flowers could abort if the plants have been allowed to dry out too much but I've never seen it happen in Massonia. My advice is to wait a couple of weeks and keep your fingers crossed. My own plants are nowhere near flowering yet even though the buds are visible.

Massonia buds are always visible as soon as the plant starts to grow but they often take many weeks to develop further so don't worry :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Menai on October 19, 2012, 05:44:26 PM
Thank you Darren. I shall be patient!

Erle
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on October 19, 2012, 08:37:18 PM
Erle - they don't need any extra heat or light so don't waste your money.
I'm further north than you and grow mine in similar conditions without extra light (or heating except on really frosty nights). My pustulata have been VERY late coming into growth this year, as have depressa and some pygmaea. It may be possible that the flowers could abort if the plants have been allowed to dry out too much but I've never seen it happen in Massonia. My advice is to wait a couple of weeks and keep your fingers crossed. My own plants are nowhere near flowering yet even though the buds are visible.

Massonia buds are always visible as soon as the plant starts to grow but they often take many weeks to develop further so don't worry :)

Darren I am glad to hear that your Massonia are late with you. I was starting to get very worried as I only had a few starting to grow. Hope they will all grow as I would be really disappointed if I had killed them.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on October 20, 2012, 04:39:37 PM
Darren I am glad to hear that your Massonia are late with you. I was starting to get very worried as I only had a few starting to grow. Hope they will all grow as I would be really disappointed if I had killed them.

Angie  :)

I'm starting to worry about M. depressa as there is no sign of this yet! Pygmaea has (thankfully) started to move now. Hard to believe I had this in flower at Ponteland last year - it is at least 3 weeks later this season.

I've lots of exciting Massonia seeds germinating though :) including purple leaved and pink flowered forms of pustulata. Heaven knows where I'm going to house them all (the seed packets were very generous) but I'll worry about that later.  ;) ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on October 20, 2012, 06:48:03 PM

I've lots of exciting Massonia seeds germinating though :) including purple leaved and pink flowered forms of pustulata. Heaven knows where I'm going to house them all (the seed packets were very generous) but I'll worry about that later.  ;) ;D

Nice problem to have   ;) Hope they all grow and multiply.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fermi de Sousa on October 22, 2012, 09:07:55 AM
Very disappointed to have missed the first flowering on this tiny Moraea serpentina!
However the taller Babiana spathacea is also coming into bloom
And in another bed Merwilla plumbea is now flowering
cheers
fermi
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on October 28, 2012, 03:23:29 PM
About a fortnight later than last year- Polyxena longituba grown from seed (SRGC Exchange 07/08-2424) sown 18/12/08

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on October 29, 2012, 10:01:50 PM
Can anyone name this Babiana for me please?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on November 01, 2012, 02:19:14 PM
Gethyllis linearis
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: fleurbleue on November 01, 2012, 03:02:12 PM
Nice coloured Babania  Lesley !   ;)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 01, 2012, 07:33:34 PM
Yes it is thanks Nicole. But I think Paul may be right and thre are hybrids involved because although it's a clump of just 3 or 4 bulbs, each stem is a slightly different shade. One is magenta, one pure crimson, one what I would call cerise, slightly redder than magenta and one with a very blue base going into magenta.  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Diane Whitehead on November 01, 2012, 08:06:51 PM
I'm so pleased to see the curled leaves on the Gethyllis.

When I admired some leaves in South Africa, I was told that they wouldn't curl
if I tried growing them at home. 

There are a number of genera that coil their leaves and I can't remember the genus
involved in that discussion.

Have others found that leaves straighten in cultivation?  And if so, I wonder why.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 01, 2012, 08:40:44 PM
Isn't there an Albuca species does that? I'm sure we've seen a few different plants with curling leaves on the Forum. Hope they never discover hair straighteners. :)

If they do straighten out in cultivation, perhaps it's because the conditions are generally softer than in their native habitats but the one pictured seems to be cultivated, in a pot so.....?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: daveyp1970 on November 01, 2012, 08:59:19 PM
Lesley i grow albuca spiralis grown from SRGC Seedex but so far no curls,might need to take my wifes curling tongues to it...i was told its down to the moisture in the pot.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ezeiza on November 02, 2012, 04:48:59 AM
Dear Lesley and Davey, it is a desert plant. Increase the grit content in the mix and water sparingly and leaves will become curly.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on November 02, 2012, 08:42:53 AM
I've little experience with Gethyllis but for what it's worth this is my experience with curly leaved South African bulbs under dull UK conditions:

Albuca osmynella and Moraea serpentina keep their curls reasonably well but Geissorhiza corrugata (which has tightly curled spring-like leaves in habitat) is hopelessly straightened here. Moraea pritzelliana is not as coiled as it is in habitat. My Moraea tortilis are too small to tell yet but I've seen pictures of it 'in character' in cultivation so I know it can be done, but maybe not under my permanent cloud cover ;D

Alberto is no doubt correct about substrate and watering but here I find poor winter light is a strong influence too.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Paul T on November 04, 2012, 10:56:00 AM
Love those curled leaves.  I picked up two species of Albuca recently that have curly leaves, but they've been grown too happily so their leaves aren't curly.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on November 04, 2012, 08:17:22 PM
Here's the summer growing Eucomis unpotted ready for the winter nap.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: YT on November 07, 2012, 06:56:37 AM
Oxalis luteola 'Splash' MV7689. This is the first bloom of this season :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 07, 2012, 08:42:27 PM
I guess this is a selection of what we grow as O. luteola var. maculata.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: YT on November 08, 2012, 06:04:40 AM
I guess this is a selection of what we grow as O. luteola var. maculata.

Hello Lesley. I obtained a flowering plant as named under O. luteola 'Splash' MV7689 from a Japanese narsery last year. But I cannot distinguish 'Splash' and 'Maculata' ??? Perhaps both were collected from same population in their habitat by different persons ???
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on November 09, 2012, 04:03:54 AM
Kniphofia northiae under snow.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: zvone on November 09, 2012, 03:53:25 PM
Romulea tetragona
Moraea polystachya
Lachenalia bulbifera

Oxalis versicolour, waiting for some sunshine.

Beautiful!

Thank's Michael!

Best Regards!  zvone
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on November 11, 2012, 05:17:32 PM
A large Eucomis ready for winter rest with a familiar object for scale.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: johnw on November 11, 2012, 05:59:32 PM
One can treat scale with a cell phone now?
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on November 11, 2012, 06:37:51 PM
I thought about what to put in the image to convey scale and said " why not something most people either have in the pockets of have seen everyday."
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on November 11, 2012, 06:43:24 PM
One can treat scale with a cell phone now?
As Arnold says, it makes a good comparison, but for a treat I think most prefer the cinema or dinner out....... ;) ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on November 11, 2012, 06:53:26 PM
I usually treat scale with an effective insecticide.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 11, 2012, 08:19:44 PM
Well cell phones are getting really smart now so soon we'll be able to point them at any fungus or aphis and like like Lady McBeth - see Fermi's other post in whatever thread - say out, damned spot and it will go immediately.

Well I won't. I have enough trouble coping with a very regular cell phone. The smart ones are WAY too technical.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on November 12, 2012, 06:01:18 PM
I'm so pleased to see the curled leaves on the Gethyllis.

When I admired some leaves in South Africa, I was told that they wouldn't curl
if I tried growing them at home. 

There are a number of genera that coil their leaves and I can't remember the genus
involved in that discussion.

Have others found that leaves straighten in cultivation?  And if so, I wonder why.


From the PBS lists, a link to an paper ( only the abstract, for free!)
Desert geophytes under dew and fog: The “curly-whirlies” of Namaqualand (South Africa)

   by  Stefan Vogel     and     Ute Müller-Doblies

http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0367253010001015/ (http://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0367253010001015/)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Hans J on November 12, 2012, 06:35:57 PM
Maggi

the name of this peoples is :
Stefan Vogel
Ute Müller-Doblies

Hans
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on November 12, 2012, 06:45:23 PM
You are correct Hans - a case of careless copying on my part.   :-[
I will make a correction.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on November 13, 2012, 07:45:57 AM
I can access the full paper and it looks very interesting - thanks for pointing it out.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on November 29, 2012, 02:53:39 PM
Here are three Gethyllis linearis sitting in the same pot displaying different amounts of 'curl'

Gethyllis linearis
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on November 29, 2012, 02:56:06 PM
Acquired this as Lachenalia rubrida rubra but G. Duncan calls it Lachenalia punctata in his new Lachenalia tome.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on November 29, 2012, 02:58:20 PM
Here are three Gethyllis linearis sitting in the same pot displaying different amounts of 'curl'

Gethyllis linearis
   
Well:  three in the same pot all doing their  "own thing" - is there any way these plants can confuse us more?  :-\ ;)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on November 29, 2012, 10:19:27 PM
Here are three Gethyllis linearis sitting in the same pot displaying different amounts of 'curl'

Gethyllis linearis
The battery on the curling tongs must have been running out of puff. ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on November 30, 2012, 09:00:00 PM
Arnold love those leaves.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: YT on December 02, 2012, 03:27:10 PM
Polyxena ensifolia, white form seedlings, purple dots on out side of petals.
Polyxena 'Pink Pompon', probably selected from P. ensifolia seedlings.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on December 02, 2012, 08:35:41 PM
Very pretty YT
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Victor Yatskevich on December 02, 2012, 10:36:21 PM
As they are beautiful. Especially Polyxena 'Pink Pompon'.
It is a pity that we can not grow these flowers in the garden.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on December 03, 2012, 10:40:56 PM
YT,  those Polyxena are beautiful  8) wish I could grow them like you have.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 04, 2012, 08:34:07 PM
Crossyne flava leaf detail

Freesia elimensis

Massonia punctata 'Purple leaves'
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on December 04, 2012, 08:40:26 PM
Arnold seeing the sun on your Massonia makes me jealous. Mine are really struggling this year. Will be nice to see the flower open.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 04, 2012, 11:21:03 PM
We've had bizarre weather.  Hit 65 F today. The miniature Narcissus that are open are frizzling like potato chips in hot oil.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 05, 2012, 03:46:21 AM
28 degC here this morning then at lunch it plunged to 12 and now it's raining. But I need a good drop or two.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: BULBISSIME on December 05, 2012, 06:19:50 AM
Lucky you are !! 2°C here..  >:(
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on December 05, 2012, 09:27:58 AM
....................................................... But I need a good drop or two.

Me too Lesley, now where did I put that glass? ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 05, 2012, 08:33:53 PM
Whatever else you mislaid David, it wouldn't have been the glass. ;D I started off typing that I needed a good shower then immediately thought of the comments that would produce, so did a hasty change. ;D ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Leon on December 06, 2012, 02:39:37 AM
It sounds like many of you have the same problem we are having in the North American midwest.  I have a pond on my place that is bone dry; first time for this to happen since the pond was created eighteen years ago.  The long range forecast is for another dry winter.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on December 07, 2012, 03:36:24 PM
One of the (few) problems of being a Yorkshireman is never being able to pass a bargain. At our local AGS Group meeting earlier this week the sales table had a lovely tray of Massonia echinata and M. depressa plants in 5" half-pots at £1.50 each. Needless to say I had to buy one of each. Where on earth I'm going to fit them in the greenhouse the Good Lord only knows!
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Lesley Cox on December 10, 2012, 02:23:18 AM
One of the (few) problems of being a Yorkshireman is never being able to pass a bargain.
Had you not been a Yorkshireman David - or Dutch or Chinese - never mind a Scot - you would have bought 3 of each. ;D
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 11, 2012, 05:01:12 PM
Two views of Massonia pustulata Purple leaves from a Roy Herold distribution to the PBS.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on December 11, 2012, 05:08:45 PM
WOW so nice colour

R
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 11, 2012, 05:13:25 PM
Roland:

Thanks, I should have waited until they are fully open, but that only means there's more to come.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on December 11, 2012, 07:23:26 PM
These are nice Arnold! there are a couple of Roys Massonias in bud here too  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 13, 2012, 02:34:12 PM
Full open.

Massonia pustulata Purple leaves.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: David Nicholson on December 13, 2012, 04:33:34 PM
Beautiful plant Arnold
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 14, 2012, 02:46:36 AM
David:

Thanks so much.   I have to say that they grew without much care
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on December 14, 2012, 10:17:03 PM
David:

Thanks so much.   I have to say that they grew without much care

Great plant Arnold bit jealous though of you saying grew without much care.

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 14, 2012, 10:40:16 PM
Angie:

I know.  I potted it up and it grew well last year.  Put it on a shelf in the basement for the summer and brought it out and gave a good drink in September and  voila!

I could say that I cuddled it along with masterful care, but really not.

I do have a cold greenhouse which is only two years old.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on December 14, 2012, 10:43:11 PM
This is how it often works Arnold
the more you spoil them
the less they flower

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: angie on December 14, 2012, 10:59:33 PM
This is how it often works Arnold
the more you spoil them
the less they flower

Roland

Ok then I am not going to talk to mine then, no more telling them how much I like them  ;) ;D

Angie  :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on December 14, 2012, 11:08:14 PM
 ;D
Title: South African Bulbs 2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 18, 2012, 06:32:41 PM
Lachenalia viridflora
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on December 18, 2012, 06:41:51 PM
This stays a special one
nice picture (I mean plant)

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 27, 2012, 02:56:28 PM
Ferraria densepunctulata

With nectaries visible just below the pollen sacks.

Some nectaries are there to provide a food source for insects mostly wasps (animal mutualists) who prey on damaging insects.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Maggi Young on December 27, 2012, 03:18:40 PM
I can almost taste the sweetness of the nectar  ;)
 
Bright and intricate photo to cheer a cold dull day here Arnold. Nothing so glamorous flowering here.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on December 27, 2012, 10:02:08 PM
Ferraria densepunctulata

With nectaries visible just below the pollen sacks.

Some nectaries are there to provide a food source for insects mostly wasps (animal mutualists) who prey on damaging insects.

Arnold

This is one of the best flowers you showed till now
congratulations (http://www.thesmilies.com/smilies/jumping/jumping0045.gif) (http://www.thesmilies.com)
what a colours , I hope you get seeds

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 28, 2012, 11:25:38 AM
Roland:

thanks, you're first on line if seeds appear.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on December 28, 2012, 09:44:34 PM
Thanks Arnold

Maybe you know
Today I spoke a grower in Holland
and he had problems by getting Ferraria crispa into flower
Do you know a trick (warm in the summer for example) to get them in flower
or is the Dutch clone who is in the trade a bad flowering clone
as was for example 10-15 years ago the Crocus sativus

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on December 29, 2012, 03:33:57 AM
Arnold if you get seed I would love to try it too please. It is such a brighter flower than crispa. Roland can you receive corms ok in the mail from Oz? I will send you a couple if it can be done.
Mine here get a good old baking each summer but where I found the bulbs originally was on a roadside near an old property under some gum trees - around the base of one. It was a bit sandier there too than here.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on December 29, 2012, 09:33:54 AM
Hi Pat

We can receive everything here in France
as long as it is send by normal post (not express post , Cost $600,00 for a broker)
just mention on the CN22 (post office or google CN22 and print the small paper ,Or I can mail you the PDF) Gift and Botanical sample
with a very small value
Not sure for how long
But as long as it works I am happy
Germany seems bad in the moment

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: arillady on December 29, 2012, 10:01:41 AM
The form is usual practice. I will try to do it this week.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on December 29, 2012, 10:17:39 AM
Thanks Pat :)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 29, 2012, 12:33:21 PM
Just checking email before the EPL goes on.  My internet connection to the forum is always best in morning

I put my SA bulbs in a cool basement over summer. Water once per week and a Hydroponic fertilizer which I've mentioned here before.  Greenhouse at not less than 45 F during winter.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: ArnoldT on December 29, 2012, 12:34:13 PM
Pat:

If seeds comes you're on the list as well.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on December 29, 2012, 01:34:51 PM
So probably the Dutch clone is the problem
many Dutch bulbs are clones
multiplied by thousands or even millions
that's why I prefer Wild collected or well known sources for seeds or bulbs

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Angelo Porcelli on December 31, 2012, 09:31:57 AM
Roland, maybe my experience is of a little value, but my Ferraria crispa flower profusely and grow like weeds here. They have a pretty invasive habit, setting lots of seeds and multiplying  by corms, which I believe are stoloniferous as I find new plants everywhere. I raised them from Silverhill seeds and got an incredible array of patterns and colour combinations, but for lazyness I have never tried to isolate them, I guess I have 7 different forms.

Speaking of SA irids, the Moraea polystachya is a plant which should never miss in any Mediterranean garden, it will flowers for months without any care. Photo of 30th Dec
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Tony Willis on December 31, 2012, 10:05:50 AM
Veltheimia bracteata lemon flame , not easy to stop it going a bit leggy on a windowsill with very little daylight at this time of year
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on December 31, 2012, 10:11:04 AM
I have been trying to grow Ferraria for ten years. For years I kept them dry, but a few years ago I waterd and fed them a lot -and planted them at the bottom of deep pots.
Then they grew very well  for one year! Then... cold winters! (minus 15 /minus 18). I think that they are hardy to no colder than minus 10 c.
One tiny corm survived from perhaps 8 pots. I have some more now, one tried to flower last Summer. It grew and grew for months but never got far enough to open its flowers -and snails kept trying to eat it. Last summer was cold here.

 I think that the key with Ferraria is to make the corms grow strongly enough for flowering sized shoots and heat for the buds to develop.

They are stoloniferous Angelo!

 As I understand the structure of corms (versus bulbs) the flower bud is made in the growing shoot - not in the dormant corm. if anyone else knows more about this I am happy to be corrected -I do not claim to be a botanist.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on January 01, 2013, 02:33:24 PM
You are correct Peter - the cormous Irids develop their flower buds during the current season and not during dormancy - which is why it is apparently possible to flower some the first season from seed. As you say - it is getting them to put on good growth during the season that is key. Cold summers may cause them to take a year off and miss a season completely but if they do grow then they should hopefully flower if big/vigorous enough

One of my F crispa came from Monocot Nursery 12 years ago and grows/flowers every year even in poor weather so I'm sure clonal differences are important.  Those Ferraria I've raised from seed have been painfully slow in my conditions and my seedlings of F. divaricata are still tiny and awaiting their first flowers after 10 years.

Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on January 01, 2013, 04:26:23 PM
You are correct Peter - the cormous Irids develop their flower buds during the current season and not during dormancy - which is why it is apparently possible to flower some the first season from seed. As you say - it is getting them to put on good growth during the season that is key. Cold summers may cause them to take a year off and miss a season completely but if they do grow then they should hopefully flower if big/vigorous enough

Thank you for this Darren,
at last someone else who realises the differences between bulbs and corms and the practical implications which mean that it is important horticulturally as well as botanically.
So many who appear well informed seem to equate the stems in corms with the basal plates in bulbs. Where I have pointed out these differences on another forum the eminent botanist's either keep quiet or give ambiguous information which suggests that they don't even know what cells make up each part of a corms structure.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: bulborum on January 01, 2013, 07:23:06 PM
Peter

I think this is the same problem as Amaryllis (Hippeastrum) and Geranium (Pelargonium)
the names are so popular used
that you easy make the mistake to use them wrong
special because both names Amaryllis and Geranium exist

Roland
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: PeterT on January 01, 2013, 10:15:21 PM
Though not tackling the subject of bulbs versus corms I have put together a 'montage' of conversation from public forums, not in strict chronological order, of the confusion which seems to be perpetuated. Most of the names may be  recognisable to plant enthusiasts. Please do not bother with reading it all if plant anatomy does not interest you.

Musa corms
Tim Chapman (Sun, 03 Jun 2012 22:11:24 PDT)
Again it all boils down to limiting definitions and diversity. Given the definitions available and the history of use most Musa have corms, some have rhizomes. Now clearly a Musa corm does not fit into the definition you refer to in regards to depletion of and reforming a new corm etc. My main point is that in Musa taxonomy a distinction is made between the two.

@ Waddick, the foremost authority on and taxonomist of Musa refers to corms in his literature. The use of the term is valid.

Musa corms
Peter Taggart (Mon, 04 Jun 2012 05:17:17 PDT)

Please, could there be some clarification here?
Peter (UK)

Musaceae
James Waddick (Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:26:17 PDT)

Dear Friends,
All members of the family Musaceae and the related
Zingiberales have rhizomes. Although somewhat modified in bananas, it
is very obvious in Cannas, Gingers, Heliconias and other relatives.

Just the way it is. Best Jim W.

Hannon (Sun, 03 Jun 2012 17:59:04 PDT)

Peter,

The term "corm" is inconsistently defined by various sources, including a
number of botanical dictionaries. The better definition, in my view, is one
that can be usefully confined to bulb-like stems comprised of several nodes
and internodes that are *completely exhausted and renewed each season*.
Examples include Crocus, Gladiolus, Amorphophallus (not quite all), and...


I wonder if Hannon has ever dug up a crocosmia corm?  :o

Musa corms
Tim Chapman (Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:18:34 PDT)

Aside from size and notable pseudostem, why can't Musa be considered
rhizomatous?

Dylan

Some are. Musa taxonomists consider some to have corms, other species to have rhizomes. If you were to dig up a rhizomatous species (for example M laterita ) you find something something similar to a Canna rhizome (on steroids). Ie plants attached to a network of rhizomes that are growing horizontally continuously. In M laterita the rhizome can grow a meter before throwing up a new sprout. These rhizomes will usually survive a dormancy or two at least and can sprout new growth along the the rhizome (not just at the end of the growing point..if that makes sense).

On the other hand species with corms will spout new plants but there is no connecting stem/rhizome per se. The two corms will eventually separate. The difference is noticeable above ground as well as the rhizomatous plants are clearly runners that can quickly colonize a large area. Those with corms have a more clumping habit.

Don't know if it holds true for all Musa, but it seems that rhizome vs corm fits with naturally deciduous vs evergreen. There might be exceptions?

Musa corms
Hannon (Sun, 03 Jun 2012 20:45:57 PDT)

Tim,

I know Musa is diverse and don't doubt that that diversity extends to
rootstocks. Perhaps it is a case similar to Amorphophallus, but reversed:
almost all amorphos grow from a more or less globular or discoid structure
that is typically used up completely each season and is "replaced" by a new
corm formed at (and by) the base of the current season's leaf and
cataphylls. However, there is at least one species, A. coaetaneus, that
could be described as forming a "chain of corms". Instead of being used up
entirely in a season, the corms persist in rhizomatous fashion for several....

Peter Boyce phymatarum@googlemail.com via science.uu.nl
   
4/24/12
      
to Arisaema

No, because it has no ‘tunic’. Think Crocus and Gladiolus for true corms.

 

Geophytic aroids with underground storage organs are never cormous. Most, regardless of the shape of the storage organ, are tubers. Rhizome has a very specific morphological application and there are none in Arisaema that I recall. Amorphophallus has two definite rhizomatous species, A. rhizomatosus and A. hayi.

In my opinion Peter Boyce could have included more on the internal structure of corms in this last answer....
Yes Roland, common and erronious usage of these words is wide spread even among those who should know  much better. I too  slip up but I try to be carefull on this.

At work, as a gardener, I have to be extremely careful to ensure I
understand correctly what my clients want when they refer to "Geraniums",
"Automn Crocus", "Greater Celandine" and so on.
Peter (UK)
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Ian on November 04, 2018, 01:13:33 AM
The end of the flowering period for the winter growers here, at least unless my very few amaryllids decide to pop up flowers in mid summer.

There's a tale with these two pictures.

Our AGS group used to have a display at the Holker Hall festival in Cumbria each June. Back in the late 90s one of the donated display plants was labelled 'Moraea alpina'. I was rather taken with it so when I saw seed in the AGS exchange a few years later I got some. All I knew about M. alpina was that it was a summer growing Drakensberg species so I treated my (many) seedlings accordingly. By the time I observed that the seedlings really wanted to grow in winter I had lost most of them and realised it could not be M. alpina. A switch to a winter growing regime produced much improved growth in the only surviving plant, which then flowered. I have identified it as Moraea debilis. In fact the pot I originally saw at Holker was also M. debilis misidentified and I wonder if the donor of this plant also sent the seed to the exchange.

M.debilis is related to M tripetala but is usually smaller flowered and (distinctively) flowers at the very end of its growth period as the leaves die off, M tripetala flowers much earlier - usually March with me. M debilis seems to be rather rare in cultivation. M alpina coincidentally flowers at the same time but is at the start of its growth period. I googled for images of M. alpina and found M. debilis is masquerading as it elsewhere too!

As luck would have it I mentioned this story to a kind forumist at an SRGC discussion weekend and he soon sent me a few corms of the true M. alpina which is a delightful plant only 4cm high in flower.
Hi Darren,
According to your description, does moraea alpina start growing in March?
I got several bulbils of m. Alpina this year, and i plant them in October like many other South African bulbs. I thought they were dead because i see no leaf coming out.
Title: Re: South African Bulbs2012
Post by: Darren on November 05, 2018, 11:06:48 AM
Hi Ian,

Yes it is a summer grower. Good luck with it!

Darren.

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