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Bulbs => Bulbs General => Topic started by: partisangardener on January 04, 2012, 05:02:32 PM
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Has anybody an answer to my questions in the last page of lilium 2011? http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7193.240
Does anybody know a practicable way to protect Lilium martagon in the wild from grazing by roe deer, not too obvious to man?
Has anybody tried fighting virus with heat by lilies, like is done with Peonies?
Here a picture of one of the l. martagon from the wild with liliyfly which was rare at this place.
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Hi Axel,
I am afraid they only way I have found to protect plants from grazing by any animal is to fence them. I would also like to hear if there is any effective way to protect from grazing. I have one that goes past my bedroom window everyday but I still have to see it ::) Next week's job is to start fencing the garden to keep out deer. It has even left hoof-prints in my frames and under the open-ended greenhouse.
The virus question I can not answer either, perhaps some of our dutch friends have an answer.
Susan
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There is a long discussion on deer repellents starting here:
http://www.pacificbulbsociety.org/pbslist/2011-October/a3ef70kslmfmmu07dbhkk8trg7.html
apparently there are things that are effective but only if you're prepared to repeatedly apply the substance. The certain solutions are a big fence, or from the Scottish lily expert a big dog and a gun.
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Susan, that is a wonderful smile you have there. For a moment I thought you were baring your teeth but surely not?
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Thank you, I will have a try with dogs hair, soaked in human pee, diluted with water, applied once a week.
Dangerous carnivore about.
My father once had a lion, but nowadays I know nobody who has. :P
I hope it wont harm the plants if I spray it on them. Manly I will try trees bark nearby. But a lot grow far from the trees.
When I first visited this place a roedeer baby stumbled out of the undergrowth mistook us for its mother until it was mere 5 meters away.
My friend shied it away.
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Flowering at the end of December 2011 and into January 2012:
Asiatic Lilium "Landini"
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Aurelian (?) Lilium "Moonlight" in front
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Orientpet Lilium "Silk Road"
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Asiatic Lilium "Sweet Surrender"
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Turkscap Lilium "X-Phi"
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cheers
fermi
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Glad to see these nice pics in these dull rainy days... :D
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Some lilium henryi seedlings flowering now.bye Ray
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Gorgeous lilies!
One of my favorite is Orienpet 'Silk Road' born and bred by the Lily Garden in my neck of the woods.
Our deer protection is shown below:
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Hi Shadylanejewel.yes Silk Road is a top lilium,this year mine grew 2 metres high and has 38 flowers,a good year for this lily. bye Ray
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Absolutely stunning Ray! You must have wonderful soil.
Btw - I am not recommending our deer protector - he does as much or more damage than the deer.
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Ray,
are these your own L. henryii seedlings? What did you cross?
Julie,
Bruiser looks like he provide protection from more than just deer!
Glad to see these nice pics in these dull rainy days... :D
Here's some more sunshine for you, Nicole!
Lilium "Pappo's Beauty" - sort of a larger version of "Black Beauty"
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cheers
fermi
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Fermi - Pappo's Beauty is also stunning!
Greatly appreciate the sunshine too - hope our forecast is correct and we'll actually have some sun even if it won't be warm.
Bruiser is just a big ole teddy bear. :)
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Hi Fermi,these seedlings are from seed that I got from the NALS seed exchange.bye Ray
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"Pappo's Beauty" is a great and beautiful lilium :o Thanks Fermi !
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Fantastic lilies! Love the henryi hybrid variation especially.
Bruiser is a very handsome fellow..... shown his photo to our two Westies... they're smitten :)
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Maggie - I've conveyed your compliments to Bruiser. He would love your Westies as he is a very sociable Malamute. He is actually our son's dog but stays here a good majority of the time as he gets lonely. I really wish he was successful at keeping the deer away.
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First flower open on Lilium rosthornii from SRGC Seedex 2009 sown 05-07-09, first seedling 13-09-09; first flower 15-02-12.
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Hmmmm, looks a lot like L.henryii doesn't it? Must check back to pics taken by forumists last year!
(Edit: Arnold posted a similar one here 6 months ago at reply 214http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7193.210 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7193.210))
cheers
fermi
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Hmmmm, looks a lot like L.henryii doesn't it? Must check back to pics taken by forumists last year!
cheers
fermi
Rosthornii is variable and the flowers are very similar to henryii (it's closes relative) but it is quite easy to see the difference. Rosthornii is shorter with more sturdy stems and has more narrow leaves. (and is more frost hardy) Refer to Flora of China on the net for exact measurements.
Göte
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I wish everybody who posts questions regarding identity would show pictures also of the whole plant.
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I bought this in a spring bulb catalogue and tho' in the picture it looked very pretty, now I wish I hadn't bothered. Double lilies? Whatever possessed me? :o It goes by the name of Double Oriental 'Magic Star' and when fresh opened was a pretty combination of green, pink and white. I like it less the pinker it gets. I bought a white double as well but that came up well then rotted.
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Double lilies? Whatever possessed me? :o
Glad you made it back from the dark side, Lesley. ;D
In general, they are pretty hideous in my opinion. Although,
I have nothing against anyone that likes them.
Some do look okay from the back side...
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I ignored the first rule of ordering plants from catalogues, which is...The picture's always there to mislead you. ::)
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Hi Lesley,
Perhaps you can pot it up to sell next year at the market?
Hi Gote,
yes, the growth habit of this lily was considerably stockier than L. henryi which made me believe it was different but the flower was so similar - however I remember seeing a pic so I wanted confirmation rather than identification. I supposed what made me think it was doubtful despite the different growth pattern was because this was still in a pot rather than the ground and I wondered if it was dwarfed by that.
I'm pleased that it is in flower from seed in less than 3 years and has a few blooms open at once.
cheers
fermi
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Hi Lesley,
Perhaps you can pot it up to sell next year at the market?
Being staff, I don't have a stall there. It would be useful every week but can't do two things at once.
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Hi Lesley,a woman that cannot multi task?.I don't believe it. ;D bye Ray
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Perhaps I should have said "not permitted to do both things at once." But my Manager job is pretty full on though and all around the market whereas the vendors stay with their stalls. :D
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What you need is a friend who will allow you to put the odd item in their stall. ;D
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Hi Lesley,
Perhaps you can pot it up to sell next year at the market?
Hi Gote,
yes, the growth habit of this lily was considerably stockier than L. henryi which made me believe it was different but the flower was so similar - however I remember seeing a pic so I wanted confirmation rather than identification. I supposed what made me think it was doubtful despite the different growth pattern was because this was still in a pot rather than the ground and I wondered if it was dwarfed by that.
I'm pleased that it is in flower from seed in less than 3 years and has a few blooms open at once.
cheers
fermi
The leaf shape is a good way of seeing the difference. (ALso seed pods which you do not yet have) Rostornii has leaves not wider than 10mm and henryi not more narrow than 20mm.
Göte
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Double lilies? Whatever possessed me? :o
Glad you made it back from the dark side, Lesley. ;D
In general, they are pretty hideous in my opinion. Although,
I have nothing against anyone that likes them.
Some do look okay from the back side...
Nay nay thrice nay!
Those are just NOT lilies ::) ::) ::)
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Double lilies? Whatever possessed me? :o
Glad you made it back from the dark side, Lesley. ;D
In general, they are pretty hideous in my opinion. Although,
I have nothing against anyone that likes them.
Some do look okay from the back side...
Nay nay thrice nay!
Those are just NOT lilies ::) ::) ::)
I agree that they are not the most beautiful but personally I think that some of the tangos are no better. They double lancifolium has been with us at least since the thirties so it has a certain historical value. (they are easily grown and propagated)
Göte
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(they are easily grown and propagated)
So are Dandelions ;)
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It does have the right scent though. :)
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What should I expect of 2 month old Lilium souliei seedlings this year? Three sprouted initailly but one gave up the ghost within a week. They sit there with a single thread of a leaf each.
johnw
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Has anybody an answer to my questions in the last page of lilium 2011? http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7193.240 (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=7193.240)
Does anybody know a practicable way to protect Lilium martagon in the wild from grazing by roe deer, not too obvious to man?
Has anybody tried fighting virus with heat by lilies, like is done with Peonies?
Here a picture of one of the l. martagon from the wild with liliyfly which was rare at this place.
I have a friend in Quebec that is garden is visited by more then 30 deer, he do have great success with this home recipe
In a blender you put 4 rotten eggs (or past date) with 1/4 table spoon of cayenne pepper. You mix about ten minutes. you DILUTE all at a rate of 1 L of water per egg used, all in a spray bottle and you spray susceptible plants to deer. One application per month is sufficient.
But if you do not want to do the mix yourself you can buy
(http://www.gemplers.com/img/plantskydd-animal-repellent-G71951.jpg)
is also very efficace
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Welcome back , floricole!
The remedy sounds horrible.... I'm not surprised it works! ;)
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Welcome back , floricole!
The remedy sounds horrible.... I'm not surprised it works! ;)
Thanks Maggi ;)
Yes it's horrible. Better to do the mixture outside.
(http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3368/nauseasmiley.jpg) (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/193/nauseasmiley.jpg/)
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I can not believe people is still growing Lilium "tigrinum" after all the research thas has been done and conclusions are well known after two or three decades at least.
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I can not believe people is still growing Lilium "tigrinum" after all the research thas has been done and conclusions are well known after two or three decades at least.
Excuse me but what conclusions? Name? virus?
Also: What research? Published where?
Please explain
Cheers
Göte
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Last month I was surprised to see some well filled pods on Lilium "Pappo's Beauty" which is an Orient-pet (Oriental x Trumpet) Lilium but I was told that these lilies do set viable seed.
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Has anyone else had experience with growing on this sort of hybrid seed?
If anyone would like some to try please send me a PM,
cheers
fermi
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Let me revert to the Lilium lancifolium (misnamed tigrinum) issue.
It is true that at least some commercial stocks of lancifolium are infected and since this species does not show any symptoms it can be an undetected carrier and a cause of infection. This seems to be true also for some commercial hybrids. It is possible to get rid of the virus by meristem propagation but this is of course a difficult and tedious process for the amateur. Virus is not transmitted to the seeds but named varieties must be propagated vegetatively and the common lancifolium is triploid and does not set any viable seed.
The triploid variety has been grown on our premises in at least seventy years and in the last forty years I have grown susceptible lilies and lost many of them but never to virus. I do not know wheter my lancifoliums are clean or I have few vectors. Anyway I will go on growing the lancifoliums. However, I keep all commercial hybrids and the doubles well away.
The diploid lancifolium and the yellow lancifolium (which I find more beautiful) are often available as seeds in the RHS lily group and these, of course do not carry any viruses.
Cheers
Göte
(-2.6C last night)
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Nomocharis aperta flowering again,this came as N. forrestii L51 last year. It produced good seed which is making great growth in a pot of cat litter.
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Lilium oxypetalum var. insigne (syn. Nomocharis oxypetala) from the greenhouse today.
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Lilium oxypetalum var. insigne (syn. Nomocharis oxypetala) - nice. If it were mine I would consider keeping it going another year a success :)
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Lilium oxypetalum var. insigne (syn. Nomocharis oxypetala) from the greenhouse today.
Absolutely one of my favourites. Super show David, 8) 8)
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Lilium oxypetalum var. insigne (syn. Nomocharis oxypetala) - nice. If it were mine I would consider keeping it going another year a success :)
David, Not sure I understand ???
Thank you Ron, it is nice. It was from Susan Band's List in 2009 (she still has listed) and this is the first year it has had more than one flower stem.
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Very nice Lilium oxypetalum var. insigne David. Is it as pink as it appears? If so unique (pink or otherwise!).
johnw
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Yes it's a good likeness John but I'm hopeless at colours. I would say a purpley shade of pink. I'm sure Susan will have a better picture on her web site.
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Lilium martagon album in flower.
Peter
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Lilium martagon album in flower.
Peter
Wonderful, 8) 8), and a very good picture of it, 8)
I noticed it was used all over the place at Chelsea this year.
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Well David that is very nice.
It's quite different from mine. A better colour.
I got mine last year from 'The Explorers Garden' and if I'm correct it came from Susan.
Mine is in a trough and photographed this evening. It may look different due to the location and lighting.
Graham
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Super photo of Lilium martagon, Fuliro... one of my favourites -still a long way to go to be in flower here.
I think Lilium oxy. insigne is pretty variable in colour. Lovely thing...try to get seed from it , David and Graham... always a good idea to keep these growing from seed.
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Super photo of Lilium martagon, Fuliro... one of my favourites -still a long way to go to be in flower here.
I think Lilium oxy. insigne is pretty variable in colour. Lovely thing...try to get seed from it , David and Graham... always a good idea to keep these growing from seed.
Maggi
One of the very few things I let go to seed.
Seedlings from last years seed
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Well David that is very nice.
It's quite different from mine. A better colour.
I got mine last year from 'The Explorers Garden' and if I'm correct it came from Susan.
Mine is in a trough and photographed this evening. It may look different due to the location and lighting.
Graham
Graham, I think you're right in respect of location and lighting. Mine is pot grown in the greenhouse and was photographed there in reasonable light.
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I have two pots of Lilium oxypetalum var. insigne grown from my own seed sown in 2003. The original bulbs were from AGS seed sown in 1987 according to the label :o
They have been neglected over the years and only two flowering this year. They have been repotted so maybe better next year. The colour is more purple than the pic suggests.
Lilium oxypetalum var. insigne
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One of Chen-yi's L153 named as
Nomocharis meleagrina var
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Looks very similar to mine Roma.
Nice one Tony.
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I went out in the rain today to photgraph my Lilium oxypetalum insigne perhaps the rain makes the colour different, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Lilium oxypetalum v. insigne and L. lophophorum today. The latter has quite a good fragrance - first time I've noticed that. The former seems to change colour every years, usually the petals alternate with white ones but not this year nor the year after transplanting.
johnw
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Very, very nice John. 8)
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After four years in the garden doing nothing, this bulb has multiplied and I have a first flower on Lilium lophophorum. It has bigger flowers than I expected (5 cm long) and it has red speckles...I thought L. lophophorum was always a clean yellow ???
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Help please. Is this Lilium oxypetalum insigne or Lilium nanum? From where it grows in the garden it could be either. It's about 8 cm tall.
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Wim, red colouration (on the yellow and to varying degrees ) is the more common state in L.lophophorum than is the totally clean clear yellow apparently. There was an excellent article in one of the AGS Journals in recent times, which contained a very good paragraph or two about this species in its natural environment. I was hoping to point you towards this article, but cannot refind it :-[. Maybe others can help pin it down, but I will keep searching my back issues and hopefully between us we can get it, :)
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Lilium lophophorum in AGS bulletins..... : 56/128-9, 131C, 221, 63/152, 64/143,
150, 156, 170, 218, 68/307, 309, 70/274, 327, 357,
71/218, 72/327
Checking now to see which is the one Ron remembers.
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Wow Maggi ! ;D
It can only have been in the last few years I think, unless I was reading an old copy and didn't realise ::).
I'm sure it was part of a long article about a visit to Himalayas / China, ::).
In the meantime check out the description and pictures from here, red spotting shown and mentioned.
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=118558 (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=118558)
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027726 (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027726)
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I think Ron may have been thinking about this quote by Martin Walsh :
"On the same slope grew a small colony of that highly refined alpine lily, Lilium lophophorum. Its solitary, nodding yellow flower is singed purplish-brown on the reverse of its tepals and rises on a 15cm high stem above a rosette of pale green, almost sessile leaves, which vary from lanceolate to oblong-lanceolate. The pendant flower is probably at its most attractive when the apices of the tepals are still fused, givingthe impression of a Chinese lantern. SA few plants had two flowers per stem, while others had their six long tepals fully parted to give a more bowl-shaped flower, so revealing the reddish-brown spotting on the inside and the large golden anthers"
Checking the other references from the same AGS bulletin...... but I think this will be the correct one ;)
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Thanks Ron and Maggi :)
I had never seen it with red spotting!
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Ringing a bell there Maggi, thank you 8) :), amazing speed of access by the way! :o :o.
I think between all of this we have shown Wim that L.lophophorum does have red spots and speckles along with the yellow, ;D ;D
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Happy to help!
I get slowed down by my tendency not to put issues back in their proper place after I've used them! ( But please don't mention to the BD that I admitted that!) :-[
I cannot decide whether I like the L. lophophorum better spotted or plain.... I think .... plain.
They're all lovely, that's the problem.
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Agreed they are all lovely, and I think I too prefer plain, although as I mentioned this is apparently the rarer state. ::)
I have found it difficult from bought in bulbs, but two years ago acquired seed, from a number of people who were growing it well, and it germinated like cress, and the seedlings have grown very strong, so ....... fingers crossed :)
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I get slowed down by my tendency not to put issues back in their proper place after I've used them! ( But please don't mention to the BD that I admitted that!) :-[
;D ;D
I cannot decide whether I like the L. lophophorum better spotted or plain.... I think .... plain.
They're all lovely, that's the problem.
I would say plain too, but that's probably because I grow the spotted one and I always want the thing I don't have yet ;D ::) ::)
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My Lilium oxypetalum insigne
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Help please. Is this Lilium oxypetalum insigne or Lilium nanum? From where it grows in the garden it could be either. It's about 8 cm tall.
We vote for L. nanum, Liz
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May we see a full frontal of the flower please Liz?
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Glad it's the full frontal of the flower that you want to see, Ron. Will go out with my wee camera again tomorrow.
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We vote for L. nanum, Liz
I also go for L nanum. L oxypetalum usually has uneven tepals, which I suppose is part of the reason it has been redesignated as Nomocharis oxypetala.
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Here's 2 more photos of my little lily which I hope will be good enough for one of you to identify with more confidence - hope the photos are good enough.
Also a photo of a Nomocharis which is one of the first to come into flower for me. I've been told that most of the Nomocharis in Scotland have hybridised over the years and that all of them have been lumped into Nomocharis aperta. But there seems to be lots and lots of variation and some of my 'spotty' ones look nothing like this one.
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I have no idea, but i am sure about the ones that are flowering over here right now.
They are Lilium martagon yellow form and smell like ancient perfume!
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L.pumilum
Absolutely one of my favourite Lilium sp., but one which I find difficult to keep going as individuals for very long, maybe three seasons at most. So I always have lots of seedlings on the go to replace the adults as they disappear. Any ideas what I'm doing wrong with this species? I grow many other species Lilium, and the rest all do fine.
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I would suggest to take them out of the soil after each season and replant them on a place in the garden where the last 5 to 6 years no Lilliums have grown.
They are rather sensitive for all kinds of fungus.
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Thanks very much for that advice Gerard. I will definitely do that this year. 8)
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You can check the condition of the bulbs better this way too. If one of the bulbs get sick it will infect the others and finally after 2 or 3 seasons they have all gone.
I have planted 2 weeks ago Lilium species Flore Pleno, with the warmth and lots of rain they are growing very fast now! Especially when you know they have been kept for 20 months at - 1,5 'celsius :o
I will post pics later.
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L. canadense problem
I have some that have been sick this year, have grow only 8" tall and have very tiny leaf.
compare to the healty one any clue of the problem... virus, disease
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Could be virus, but have you checked the bulbs? If there are small brown spots all over the bulb they are suffering from the pile/rick? We call it Mijt, they are very small insects and only visible under a microscope.
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Could be virus, but have you checked the bulbs? If there are small brown spots all over the bulb they are suffering from the pile/rick? We call it Mijt, they are very small insects and only visible under a microscope.
I will take a look for that, I have notice that the stem is porous, spoungy like
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Could someone name this Lily? It was a gift many years as a tiny bulb from Hentry and Margaret Taylor who had grown it from seed.
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Mark:
Have a look.
http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumDauricumSection#dauricum (http://pacificbulbsociety.org/pbswiki/index.php/LiliumDauricumSection#dauricum)
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That reminds me.
For the first year some of Margaret and Hendry's Lilium macklinae seedlings are flowering. They were from some of their own crosses between the newly introduced dark form and some originals. Here is one flowering now, a bit later than the others. Lovely shading on the inside of the flower.
Susan
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thanks Arnold
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Susan, thanks for showing the Taylor hybrids in flower. I've got some seedlings of these but not at flowering size yet so it's something to look forward to.
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Not lilium, but Cardiocrinum giganteum in full glory. They are sweetly scented and really wow the neighbors.
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L.hansonii
A patch of sunshine, much needed at the moment! The Lilium are just beginning to get going for us, :)
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Lilium martagon ssp cattaniae from Mt Falakro in Northern Greece
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I love its dark colour ;)
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Lilium debile from Kamtschatka:
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Finally beginning to open this morning ;D
Lillium martagon
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What a colour :o
Is it seed grown Fred?
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ooh lovely martagon tony..i have 2 pots of lilium poilanei seedlings germinate here from a vietnam expedition last year..{not by me sadly}
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No species lilies here but a few hybrids like this 'Capuchino'. Had to remove several lily beetles in the spring though >:(
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Amazing, Hoy !
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I love your rock garden. You have made it look so natural ;)
Susan
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Thanks, folks!
Susan, in fact it is seminatural - with a lot of wild plants growing naturally. And as a rock garden, it is all rock here. I've made almost all the soil from compost, sand and gravel.
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What a colour :o
Is it seed grown Fred?
It was bought as a bulb ronm.
The flowers lasted a day, the pigeons knocked petals off on one side on both flowers ::)
Ah well!There's always next year
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Thanks Fred. I asked because I haven't seen one with those type of 'spots' on before. Was it sold as L. m. cattinae ?
We have nesting Sparrowhawks on the island in the middle of our pond. Only the brave / foolhardy Pigeons venture near, ;D
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Thanks Fred. I asked because I haven't seen one with those type of 'spots' on before. Was it sold as L. m. cattinae ?
I think it is one of the martagon hybrids of which quite a number of lovely forms are now appearing.
here is a Lilium martagon I have flowered for the first time this year. I collected some scales on Kymachalan in Greece and had expected it to be ssp cattaniae but it seems to be a plain martagon.
Also Lilium canadense sent to me by John in Nova Scotia,a very elegant plant.
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Two beautiful lilies Tony ;)
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Also Lilium canadense sent to me by John in Newfoundland,a very elegant plant.
From Nova Scotia to New Zealand and now Newfoundland in less than a year, my how I do get around. ;)
Here's the yellow form that Ken picked up in a box store a few years ago, rather shocked that it was correctly labelled.
Presently 27c and relentless sunshine. We are tinder dry and there is a province wide open fire ban. I was in the Annapolis Valley yesterday where the drought is far worse, 34c, and glad to get out of that.
johnw
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John
my apologies you will see I have corrected my post. Really having just spent two weeks over there my geography should be better.
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John
my apologies you will see I have corrected my post. Really having just spent two weeks over there my geography should be better.
No apologies required Tony, I get a kick out of my many house moves.
johnw
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Lilium michiganense hot on the heels of L. canadense. Circa 2m high.
johnw
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Lilium michiganense hot on the heels of L. canadense. Circa 2m high.
johnw
Fantastic pictures, wonderful plant John. :o
L. tsingtauense
The depth of the orange of this species is, to me, amazing. Unfortunately I can never get it to reproduce in a photograph, :(
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A Lilium tsingtauense I have grown from some scales sent me by martin Baxendale a couple of years ago,well ravaged by lily beetle.
Also Lilium amoenum which is very nomocharis like. The colour is really quite a bit darker than shown
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Tony, you got the tsingtauense to flowering size fast! Mine are still too small to flower.
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Nice lilies, all fellows :D Michiganense is a beautiful Lilium, Johnw.
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L. martagon
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From the SLPG.
Lilium rosthornii.
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two more of mine.
Lilium bakerianum ssp delavayi
A yellow specimen. I have this as Lilium parryi but Gene Miro an expert on American lilies has pointed out it is wrong. Nice but disappointing.
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lovely photos, Tony.
Gene Mirro has got a piece on the American lilies in the next IRG, online this Friday 8)
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Last year he sent us a wonderful list of sites to see them in the wild in California but apart from one we were too early,they were all in bud. Saw a lot of other things so swings and roundabouts. He is a real expert on them.
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Lilium henryi var. citrinum
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I started off with only Lilium martagon album and Lilium martagon ssp cattaniae but now have all shades of pink all over the garden
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I have three Cardiocrinum giganteum flower this year. Two are about my height and the third a good bit taller. They got a bit chewed by slugs and damaged by the weather. The tall one was looking its best on Saturday but it was a bit windy for photographs so I waited till Sunday when it looked quite battered after a very windy night.
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My martagon lilies usually look fine when the come through the ground but some get bron bits at the ends of the leaves and the flower abort. I am not sure whether this is a viral or fungal problem. This year the main clump of white martagons look very bad. I think this is probably fungal.
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We've been losing the pink ones.....don't really know why. I'd like to beg you for some seed of those lovely variations, Roma!
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OK Maggi. I'll mark a few. I've been dead heading lately as there are far too many coming up in inappropriate places and often between stones or in the middle of plants where they are difficult to remove.
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L. tsingtauense
The depth of the orange of this species is, to me, amazing. Unfortunately I can never get it to reproduce in a photograph, :(
The surface of the petals of L. tsingtauense (and closely related species) seem to have a pronounced reflective sheen on them that is not photogenic. Even on a overcast day, snapshots look as though they were taken in full sun, and show an exaggerated contrast of light and dark. Like you, Ron, I have yet to take a photo I am satisfied with also.
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It's really frustrating Rick, the colour is stunning and no one viewing the pics would believe how much ::)
If anyone can advise please ???. I have a large number of L. pardalinum bulbs from seed, and many from mature bulbs from various sources, but can not get them to flower ... ever. I have no problem with any other species I have tried. Each bulb seems to produce three to four new bulbs each year. Does this species require something different to the others? Thanks in advance... :)
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My, coincidence is a wonderful thing: this month's IRG ( just loaded a few hours early) has got an article by American Lily Maven, Gene Mirro :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4850.msg252289#msg252289 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=4850.msg252289#msg252289) for a taster and here :
http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2012Jul261343329301IRG31_July2012.pdf (http://www.srgc.org.uk/logs/logdir/2012Jul261343329301IRG31_July2012.pdf) for the IRG itself.
Gene is a Forumist so I hope he'll "drop in" and tell you his experiences with the plant. In the article he mentions that they grow in areas where there is always some moisture in the soil.
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How very timely for me. ;D
Another great issue Maggi, great pictures and crammed full of info.
I used to be able to grow Darlingtonia like a weed, so may have hundreds of flowering L. pardalinum next year now?? ::)
I too hope Gene may pop in and offer any tips, please :). I really thought they would flower this year as they grew strong and green, but no, .... blind again ::) :(
Just in case, how does one contribute a field experience article to the IRG please?, and what are the criteria?
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Ronm, do you have any photos of your pardalinum? Can you tell me what your growing conditions are? Here is a quote from a very good website on lily culture:
"Bud desiccation" - This disorder is associated with forcing under very high temperatures, low light intensities, and the presence of ethylene in the greenhouse. Bad root development will increase the risk. Can occur throughout the growing period.
"Bud drop" - This is the dropping of very small floral buds. The main cause is very low light intensities when the flower buds are extremely small and undergoing rapid development.
End of quote. Source: http://web.archive.org/web/20041102154110/http://www.hoffqualityfirst.nl/publications/01_2002.htm (http://web.archive.org/web/20041102154110/http://www.hoffqualityfirst.nl/publications/01_2002.htm)
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Thank you Gene, I haven't taken any pictures of the plants as yet as they are only leaf rosettes. But I will tomorrow and post them here. They aren't even forming any flower buds, but do look very very healthy. They are all in 1, 2 or 3 litre deep pots at the moment and are kept in a 70% shaded area of the garden, behind a mature Scots Pine. They are here from April to Oct exposed to the elements. The compost is free draining acidic. When the foliage has died down completely they are moved into a large polytunnel to over winter. They are not watered again until they are moved outside the following March / April. Each year they grow well and produce healthy new bulbs. All plants from many sources perform the same so I know I must be doing something wrong with regard to flower initiation. Just dont know what? :(
I appreciate any advice as this, to me, is a real beauty amongst beauties, ;D 8)
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Thanks Gene - how speedy an arrival was that?!!
Just in case, how does one contribute a field experience article to the IRG please?, and what are the criteria?
Good photos, not too much text, send it to me. "Simples"! ;) 8)
The idea with IRG is to enthuse people who are new to these plants, to show them a glimpse of the fascinating world of plants and places and get them hungry to read more, investigate... and maybe grow or visit.... :)
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;D Did someone rub a small bronze lamp? 8) ;D
Thanks Maggi for the 'How To'. The quality of the pieces each month is very high standard. Something to aspire to 8)
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Lilies have started to bloom here too at last.
I prefer the botanic species to the hybrids.
Lilium pyrenaicum
Lilium pumilum
Lilium monadelphuM
and an unnamed Lilium sp from Himalaya
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Superb, Magnar. They are so elegant and the colours so rich.
The shape and colour of the unknown Himalayan is very beautiful.
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I prefer the botanic species to the hybrids.
Me too, ;D and they are superb examples Magnar 8) 8). All growing beautifully, but the unnamed Lilium sp. from Himalayas is one that makes me GREEN. I'm sure I've seen something like it here on the forum before ???
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I'm sure I've seen something like it here on the forum before ???
I had the same thought... can't find it though.........
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Me neither, ::) ..... perhaps the guardian of the Lilium / Nomocharis / Fritillaria sp. will step forward, be recognised, and put us out of our wonderment 8)
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I had the same thought... can't find it though.........
Hmmmmm Was it this, from Tony Willis :
http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8302.msg252153#msg252153 (http://www.srgc.net/forum/index.php?topic=8302.msg252153#msg252153)
General flower shape and colouring is similar... different leaf arrangement at the top of the stem....
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Looks like a good call Maggi. Maybe its the straight sp. and not the variety posted by Tony. ??? I'm sure someone will resolve this empirically tomorrow 8)
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It looks very much like the one i have.. Thanks to both of you :)
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Harry Jans has some good photos......
http://www.jansalpines.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1820 (http://www.jansalpines.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1820)
http://www.jansalpines.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1823 (http://www.jansalpines.com/gallery/main.php?g2_itemId=1823)
and Marijn van den Brink :
http://photos.v-d-brink.eu/keyword/liliaceae/70/800770094_LcgWD# (http://photos.v-d-brink.eu/keyword/liliaceae/70/800770094_LcgWD#)!i=800770094&k=LcgWD
Lilium bakerianum in Flora of China online...
http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027699 (http://www.efloras.org/florataxon.aspx?flora_id=2&taxon_id=200027699)
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Make that DOUBLE GREEN ;D ;D
What a stunner!
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Each bulb seems to produce three to four new bulbs each year....
I really thought they would flower this year as they grew strong and green, but no, .... blind again ::) :(
Even with hybrid lilies, growing in too dry conditions for the type can induce bulb breaking, where bulbs keep dividing and so remain non-blooming. I have experience this myself with a few varieties as I transitioned a "normal" garden to a more xeric one. The lilies had bloomed well before, but then kept dividing and producing small bulbs that would not (or would hardly) bloom. They were otherwise very healthy. I even replanted them, wondering if they were just too crowded, or planted too deep or too shallow, but had the same disappointing result. I moved them to another normal moisture garden, and they have been back to their old floriferous selves ever since.
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Thanks Rick. I suspected as much after seeing the IRG article by Gene, but its always nice to have some supportive advice. 8) 8) 8)
Isn't it amazing though how, when grown completely in the wrong conditions, they look so good and multiply! :o But decide not to flower :(
Maybe next year, thanks to you all ;D
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Our chum Jim Willis (formerly of Northumberland, now of Blanzay, France) sent us this photo which I have to share with you....( haven't got round yet to asking him if I could, but he's very much a gentleman) .... look at this fantastic lily.....
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Looks like a good call Maggi. Maybe its the straight sp. and not the variety posted by Tony. ??? I'm sure someone will resolve this empirically tomorrow 8)
Lilium bakerianum ssp delavayi is very variable in colour and number of flowers. Mine is from China but it is widespread into Nepal. This is the most common ssp.
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Thanks Tony 8). A wonderful plant, that is once again, perhaps, in much need of further study? ;) Hope it continues to thrive with you 8)
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Thanks Tony 8). A wonderful plant, that is once again, perhaps, in much need of further study? ;) Hope it continues to thrive with you 8)
Ron I have a second one which will flower in the next few days. I have selfed the first but if that fails I have put pollen from the one shown in the fridge and so will hope for seed if it takes on the second
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Hopeful all will be well
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I just can't help but wonder if all the colour forms come from a single seed pod, or if they are truly separate?
Are the yellow forms the 'lacking the purple' plants of the purple / red /brown forms ??? ::)? As in Frits? ( just a personal theory, never proved ;D)
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Lilium sargentiae ex Jens Nielsen' cw seed here yesterday. Very tall with a tendency to flop or grow through shrubs. The xterior stripes are not so prominent this year for some reason.
johnw
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I intend redoing the bed where this Lilium martagon was growing so dug it up last year in case I did not remember where it was. I found the somewhat shrivelled bulb in a polybag under the greenhouse bench this spring so potted it up and luckily it has survived. I think it is rather special. It is much shorter than it would have been if treated properly. Alas I grow too many plants and bulbs and rather too many do not get the attention they deserve. :-[
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This Lilium lives in the greenhouse. It was grown from Chiltern seed as Lilium auratum/ orientale hybrids in 2001. This was the only oriental hybrid which grew. The other seedlings all turned out to be 'African Queen' strain or something very similar. I was not too disappointed as it is one of my favourite trumpet varieties. The flower is 9 inches (23 cm) across.
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Here is L. bakerianum v. delavayi growing in my garden:
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The giant leaves in the background are Podophyllum pleianthum.
Ronm, I have killed a lot of lilies and other bulbs by drying them out too much over Winter. Also, I have found that more sun means more flowers. The problem with species lilies is that you can't let the soil get too hot. So you can plunge the pot into soil that has bark mulch over it. If the plant gets a lot of sun, you will need to water it deep and often. Also, I do not recommend trying to grow and bloom lilies in a one-gallon pot. Three gallon minimum. One gallon is OK if you already have a big bulb and you want it to flower once and then throw it away. I have very poor luck growing species lilies in containers. I always transplant them into the garden as soon as the weather gets nice in the Spring.
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Thank you Gene. I'm sure you are absolutely correct and will certainly change my growing regime for all my Lilium sp. for next years growing. Taking a long hard look at them this year I'm sure I can do much better and pay them a little more respect and attention. :-[ :-[
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Lilium formosanum var. pricei, grown from seed Lesley kindly sent me and sown February 2009. Flowering for the first time.
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I got this as Lilium spectabile? Can anyone giive me its real name?
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Sorry, I can't help you, Stephen.
Here are two lilies from my summerhouse. Fortunately they were not damaged by the roaming sheep!
L. lancifolium, an old garden plant here and the newer orientalis hybrid 'Arena'.
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In SRGC seedlist 2009/2010 there was a long list of lily seed from Sparra's Nest in Tasmania. I was lucky enugh to get one packet of seed.
(Jeff Bowden's Brown Tr x King Midas) x (Apricot Canterbury Tr x Yellow Green Tr)
Seed was sown in January 2010 and germinated end of March. I have 12 bulbs and one opened a flower today - another 11 to look forward to next year :) :) :)
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That's rather nice 8)
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I got this as Lilium spectabile? Can anyone giive me its real name?
Probably not quite right, but it looks a bit like L. regale
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Here's my L. regale. Pretty close.
Pollen darkens as the flower ages.
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Hello to all the lily breeders here,
since I think, I have a big problem, I would ask you for help this way:
(hopefully) like some others here, I am growing the marvellous Lilium gloriosoides.
This lily is very very difficult to cultivate, but of the relatively young bulbs that I was able to buy last winter, two have developed buds. These are still closed and I think the larger one will open it's flower in about 7-10 days.
Unfortunately the plant with the smaller bud (I guess it needs still 2-3 weeks to flower) looks very unhealthy and I fear, that it will die before flowering, so the pollen of it will not get ripe in time.
I therefore ask you, if there is someone who could send me pollen of L. gloriosoides within the next 10-14 days.
Any help would be appreciated!
You may answer per PM or here in the thread to my request.
Thanks in advance!
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since I think, I have a big problem, I would ask you for help this way:
(hopefully) like some others here, I am growing the marvellous Lilium gloriosoides.
I therefore ask you, if there is someone who could send me pollen of L. gloriosoides within the next 10-14 days.
I cannot help yopu with pollen but please remember that not all lilies are self-sterile. I have got viable seed on lilies that were only one of its clone in my garden. Martagons are hopless but some of the chinese self pollinate so you would have a fair chance. I would appreciate if you could post you results since we do not know too well which ones are self-sterile.
Göte
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Lilium chalcedonicum ,the only one to flower. The rest have rotted their buds with the constant rain.
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A magnificent pair Tony, 8) 8)
Is this a plant of neutral to chalky soils, or acidic type ones please?
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My understanding is that Vermion is mainly limestone and so the soils will be derived from that. It is a plant of dense woodland.
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Thank you Tony. I asked because numerous nurseries / books etc. consulted and varying opinions given. I've long held the belief that it was how you say, and that those who say it must have acidic soil have got confused with another species. Now I have my thoughts confirmed. Thanks again. ;D ;D
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I cannot help yopu with pollen but please remember that not all lilies are self-sterile. I have got viable seed on lilies that were only one of its clone in my garden. Martagons are hopless but some of the chinese self pollinate so you would have a fair chance. I would appreciate if you could post you results since we do not know too well which ones are self-sterile.
Göte
Göte,
are you sure, that the viable seeds you got from some clones of which there were only one of its kind, were not hybrid?
Of course, I will try to self my gloriosoides, but not the normal way. There are mainly 2 different reasons for self-sterility and at least in some lilies, it seems possible to overcome this mechanism by cutting off the style near the ovaries and pollinate by dropping a mixture of the pollen in a few drops of sugar-solution on the wound.
Nevertheless, the natural way of pollination works better. Therefore I would like to ask you, if you will have some Gloriosoides flowers this season, because I could send you some pollen of my L. gloriosoides, so -at least- you could get some seeds this year. My L. gloriosoides will open its flower in abobut 3-4 days.
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Lilium poilanei in flower today
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A wonderful Lilium Tony ! How do you grow it ?
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Hi Nicole yes it is a fine one. I grow it in my usual mixture of garden centre John Innes with a bit of extra grit. It is in a pot in an open sand plunge over summer and kept in the garage over winter.
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Thank you Tony ;)
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Lilium poilanei in flower today
Congratulations Tony!
What a beautiful lily!
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Göte,
are you sure, that the viable seeds you got from some clones of which there were only one of its kind, were not hybrid?
Of course, I will try to self my gloriosoides, but not the normal way. There are mainly 2 different reasons for self-sterility and at least in some lilies, it seems possible to overcome this mechanism by cutting off the style near the ovaries and pollinate by dropping a mixture of the pollen in a few drops of sugar-solution on the wound.
Nevertheless, the natural way of pollination works better. Therefore I would like to ask you, if you will have some Gloriosoides flowers this season, because I could send you some pollen of my L. gloriosoides, so -at least- you could get some seeds this year. My L. gloriosoides will open its flower in abobut 3-4 days.
Sorry for long delay. I have been away a lot of time.
Yes I am quite sure. I have lilies which obvioulsy are self sterile (the martagon group) and some which are not - mainly chinese Lijiangense to give one example.
Good luck
Göte.
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one from yesterday but still in flower flore pleno
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Hello,
One very humble contribution to this topic: Lilium HENRYI which flowered on my balcony.
JP
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I am re-potting my lilies and thought this might be of interest.
A couple of years ago I received from Giles a seedling of Lilium nepalense which I have been growing on this year in a 12 cm pot.
On emptying it out I found this stolon coiled around the base of the pot with small bulbs attached.
It is 80 cms long and has ten small bulbs on it.
I knew that this lily wandered about but I am surprised at this result.
The original bulb at the base of the stem on the left appears to have dissapeared
Sorry the photograph is a bit blurry but I think it shows clearly enough.
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The original bulb at the base of the stem on the left appears to have dissapeared
This is interesting...
Should the original bulb be on the left? Shouldn't it be on the right, so the stem bulblets are between the bulb and the above ground part of the stem?
What is that tuber or bulb-like mass of something on the right?
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Hello,
a lily that I have heard of sometimes in the past (due to Chen Yi's exports) is Lilium sempervivoideum.
It is a little beauty although it seems to be a challenge in cultivation.
However: since many years now, I have read nothing about this lily here and on the whole internet. It seems as if it had disappeared from cultivation quite rapidly. Also Chen Yi doesn't seem to export it anymore (was L-79 on her list).
Therefore I would like to know if someone is cultivating this little beauty here (since it seems to be an alpine plant).
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Rick,
You are right, the bulb should be on the right with the stem traveling out before it puts up its stem.
Tony, you are lucky the bulb stayed in the pot! It would be better in good fertile ground otherwise all you will get is lots of small bulbs producing leaves instead of flowers. Each of the small bulbs next year will produce stolons as well. A good covering of mulch will create ideal conditions for it to run. Some times it can be hard to get it to flower it just produces many leaves, it can depend on the clone but if you have grown from seed it probably has a better chance.
Winwen,
I have not seen L. semperivoideum around here for a while, I don't know if anyone managed to get it going from seed. All the ones I saw were from original imported stock. You really need it to be growing from seed before it will stay in cultivation.
Susan
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Rick both you and Susan are correct,my apologies it is on the right.
Susan there is no chance of it growing outside.I have wet heavy clay and in the last month alone the garden has twice been under water. I have flowered this species in a large pot in the past with no problems.