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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: Torsten Junker on December 31, 2011, 10:36:24 PM
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Happy new year to all!
A few pictures of some of my (rapidly increasing ::) ) Galanthus collection!
1: Comet
2: Rev. Hailstone ("officially" should this be 'Reverend Hailstone' or ' Rev. Hailstone'?)
3: Fenstead End
4&5: Fieldgate Prelude
6: Florence Baker
7: Gerard Parker
8: Helen Tomlinson
9: Henham No.1
10: Mrs Macnamara
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Great pictures Torsten - always nice to see what others have in flower.
I notice how red your soil is so in colour. Very different from mine.
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Happy new year everyone
Hello Torsten,
Really lovely pictures. I particularly like the Florence Baker pic.
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Happy new year to all
Lets hope its a good one fro snow drops.
Nice pictures.
I like the Mrs Macnamara and comet.
Must be nice to have so many varieties coming through so early.
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Very unusual mild weather continues here and snowdrops are open far earlier than normal. Here are a few which were open today.
G. 'Anne's Millenium Giant'
G. 'Atkinsii'
G. 'Atkinsii' Moccas form
G. 'Ding Dong'
G. 'Florence Baker'
G. 'Godfrey Owen'
G. 'Richard Ayres' - fabulous scent.
G. rizehensis
G. 'Winnifrede Matthias'
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very best wishes to you all
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Hello Torsten,
your FIELDGATE PRELUDE has an unusual mark and looks very good.
Hello Kentgardener,
will you change your avatar often also 2012? How can I recognize you, when I come to GB??
Hello Peddy,
the weather is on your side, with such a lot of flowering cultivars. DING DONG is fine!
I can show you only the sails of THREE SHIPS.
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Hi Hagen,
We are having very unusual weather, very mild and bright, and the snowdrops are opening very early.
Your 'Three Ships' are looking very well while mine are going over.
Looking forward to your snowdrops when they open.
Paddy
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Having looked fantastic for ages, 'Three Ships' is also just going over here.
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Excellent - Good to see the main season photographs starting - I do really enjoy looking at all your pictures. 8)
'Three Ships' have sailed out of sight and over the horizon for another year here. ;D
'X-Files' has also faded very quickly this year. But other flowers are starting to appear - a few pictures from yesterday.
1 - 'X Files' it's last flower of the year.
2 - 'Rogers Rough' (not my usual choice of flower as it is not 'different' - but I have found something very appealing about this one over the last few years)
3 - 'Moyas Green'
4 - 'Penelope Ann'
5 - 'Kencot Kali'
6 - 'Yaffle'
7 - 'Sickle'
Hagen - I shall try and find a different avatar ;)
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Hi all and Lang may yer lum reek, in other words may your chimney smoke for many years. The snow almost cleared yesterday but another fall last night, the weather was warmer so G elwesii Discovery came out this is different to any other elwesii I have it lifts its petals up high looking like a helicopter not warm enough for that yet, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Interesting to see those snowdrops from John. 'Roger's Rough' comes from Richard Bird's garden at Kilndown near Goudhurst (which he opens regularly for snowdrops in February). Richard helped Elizabeth Strangman at Washfield Nursery in the past and has a number of potentially interesting unnamed seedlings derived from there. Elizabeth and Graham Gough when working at Washfield distributed some superb snowdrops like 'Washfield Colesbourne' and 'Cicely Hall', along with so many other wonderful plants. 'Penelope Ann' is named for Ann Borrill at Wymondham near Norwich, who was secretary of the Crocus Group for many years and has a very fine collection of bulbs of all kinds in her garden.
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Great snowdrops everyone.
Galanthus plicatus 'Colossus' (photo 1 and 2)
Galanthus 'Comet' (photo 3)
Galanthus reginae-olgae subsp. vernalis (photo 4 and 5)
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what a lovely day ::)
few from the greenhouse.
Hans Guck-in-die-Luft
p x byzantinus ex Warham
and a Green Brush I got a little impatient waiting for it to open so took home :)
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Galanthus reginae-olgae subsp. vernalis (photo 4 and 5)
Interesting to see some green marking on the ends of the outers 8). Mine are always completely white.
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and a Green Brush I got a little impatient waiting for it to open so took home :)
Such a lovely flower - a real shame that it never appeared here the following season. :'(
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not the only one John.
My snowdrops got a hammering last night in the gales. Looking great yesterday in the sunshine but looking rough today.
Anyone know why we, especially Scotland, are being hit by so many gales?
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Are there any other recently published German snowdrop books, apart from Schneeglockchen by Gunter Waldorf and For Galanthophiles by Josh Westrich?
Trying to interest my German publisher in my novel The Snowdrop Garden and I want to send them links to recent German snowdrop books to demonstrate that galanthophilia is fashionable in Germany as well as the UK.
Also, any other recent Dutch snowdrop books, apart from Galanthomania?
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Sorry Martin, no new books in The Netherlands or in Germany. I believe, I would know.
There is a new german book titled: Verruckt nach Fruhling.
Sub-title: Zu gast in 25 bildschonen Zwiebelblumengarten.
Crazy about spring.
Visiting 25 gorgious bulbflowergardens.
Written by: Carmen Szadzik and Melitta Kolberg.
ISBN 978-3-00-035793-0
It shows 9 gardens in Germany, 15 in The Netherlands and 1 in Belgium.
It is not what you are looking for, I think. But it is the closest I can think of.
Good luck,
Lina.
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Martin, maybe you can confince him of the interest in Snowdrops by informing him about all the events that take place in Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium.
You can give it a try.
Lina.
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Martin, maybe you can confince him of the interest in Snowdrops by informing him about all the events that take place in Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium.
You can give it a try.
Lina.
Good idea, Lina. Anyone have some links to web information/sites about the major German galanthus events?
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Martin, I agree with Lina. Two books are enough. I do not know another by now.
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Another pot without a label - I blame the blackbirds :)
The first phot showing flower and leaves was taken in brilliant sunshine and gives a completely false colour. the second photo was taken yesterday with the much lower light levels and is approx correct.
Leaves suggest gracilis to me. It is only about 8cms high.
Any thoughts please
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Martin, maybe you can confince him of the interest in Snowdrops by informing him about all the events that take place in Germany, The Netherlands and Belgium.
You can give it a try.
Lina.
Good idea, Lina. Anyone have some links to web information/sites about the major German galanthus events?
Looking back at the forum for announcments from previous years will be a start, Martin. The big events are always mentioned.
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brilliant sunshine
Can you send me some of that please. ;D
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Another pot without a label ... Any thoughts please
I have taken to marking all my pots with a silver paint marker pen bought from Rymans; an idea I got from KentGardener. I give the pots a number and keep a note of what is in each numbered pot. Thus far the paint has proved indelible so this system is much better than using labels which can be lost.
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www.garten-von-ehren-shop.de/unternehmen/aktuell/markttage2012
Here you find an event that is not mentioned before, I think. In the pictures of 2011 you can see Hanneke behind her great show of snowdrops, which she always takes with her.
Lina
What did I do wrong?? ???
Go to: uber uns
Markttage 2012
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Another pot without a label - I blame the blackbirds :)
Yes they are lovely, but have a lot to answer for. I keep a label in the pot, out of sight, for just such an eventuality Arthur, it means you are using two labels per pot but seems worth it.
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Hi Arthur, I quite like the colouring - but that tiny ovary doesn't appeal to my current tastes. Not sure that I recall seeing it before.
Following Tim's mention of seedlings from Graham and Richard - picture 1 shows 'Augustus Seedling' one of those selections that is growing here. Nice chunky looking large marked flowers - good strong scent and 2 flowers per bulb.
Pic 2 - I've promissed to a member that I will post pics of 'David Baker'
Pic 3 - to show how variable the marking can be (sometimes abscent)
(Sorry about the pics colouring - had to do them in the kitchen in electric lighting).
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Another pot without a label - I blame the blackbirds :)
Yes they are lovely, but have a lot to answer for. I keep a label in the pot, out of sight, for just such an eventuality Arthur, it means you are using two labels per pot but seems worth it.
Brian
No guess as to what my snowdrop might be :(
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www.garten-von-ehren-shop.de/unternehmen/aktuell/markttage2012
Here you find an event that is not mentioned before, I think. In the pictures of 2011 you can see Hanneke behind her great show of snowdrops, which she always takes with her.
Lina
What did I do wrong?? ???
Go to: uber uns
Markttage 2012
http://garten-von-ehren-shop.de/unternehmen/aktuell/markttage-2012.html works, I think.
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John, were your David Baker bulbs by natural increase, or from chipping?
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Thanks Maggi. I should do this more often to get it wright.
Lina.
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John, were your David Baker bulbs by natural increase, or from chipping?
Hi Anne
Everything here is 'au naturale' - would love to try chipping and twinning - but sadly not enough space.
Slowly but surely (with my fingers crossed)......
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Another pot without a label - I blame the blackbirds :)
Yes they are lovely, but have a lot to answer for. I keep a label in the pot, out of sight, for just such an eventuality Arthur, it means you are using two labels per pot but seems worth it.
Brian
No guess as to what my snowdrop might be :(
It's never easy to guess from a photo Arthur, much easier if you check which ones you are sure of on your acquisitions list and then give us a choice of which it may be from those that remain...
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Hi Arthur, I quite like the colouring - but that tiny ovary doesn't appeal to my current tastes. Not sure that I recall seeing it before.
Following Tim's mention of seedlings from Graham and Richard - picture 1 shows 'Augustus Seedling' one of the selections growing here. Nice looking - good strong scent and 2 flowers per bulb.
Pic 2 - I've promissed to a member that I will post pics of 'David Baker'
Pic 3 - to show how variable the marking can be (sometimes abscent)
(Sorry about the pics colouring - had to do them in the kitchen in electric lighting).
what a fantastic clump of David Baker John
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I was just asking because it is said that chipping can cause permanent variation in markings on that kind of flower. If your original was well marked, then it can obviously happen without as well.
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I like David Baker in a group. Going by the increase rate I'll buy one or two this year
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Lovely clump of David Baker, John.
Sounds like a good idea Mark, David Baker has just been added to my wishlist for the snowdropevent in Nettetal.
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Another pot without a label - I blame the blackbirds :)
The first phot showing flower and leaves was taken in brilliant sunshine and gives a completely false colour. the second photo was taken yesterday with the much lower light levels and is approx correct.
Leaves suggest gracilis to me. It is only about 8cms high.
Any thoughts please
Arthur - I was given several G. gracilis "highdown" by another forum member last year - thanks Richard :) :) :). They are flowering in the garden and have the same twisted leaveas and paler green ovary as yours, however they have a different marking on the inner petals. I will try to photograph them this weekend and post a picture, actually I took several pictures in the sunshine on Monday but the flowers are all badly overexposed :-[ :-[ :-[
These G. gracilis "highdown" are my first ones in flower this season, are they usually this early? Sorry does that sound like I am complaining, well I'm not ;D ;D ;D. The only slight disappointment is even in the sunshine they havent openned up at all. In general do drops need sunshine or warmth (or both) to open?
Chris
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I think "Highdown" has an elongated ovary, which Arthur's snowdrop does not. Snowdrops need warmth to open but often less warmth as the flower matures.
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Spotted a "new" snowdrop today in the garden - one like many others but I like the green ones. ;)
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Hello everyone....
I ventured out into the garden today for the first time since mid December. I just had to get out and check the snowdrop situation. The only ones I actually have open are Castlegar, Melville of Hort, Faringdon Double, Three Ships, Fieldgate Prelude and many more on the way. Should I panic yet if they are not showing through the ground?!
Was very irritated to find the birds/squirrels/foxes? have been nicking my labels in the ground. I have a whole area under an Amelanchier with no labels at all - they even pulled out the second labels that were pushed in the ground more.
Last year I accidentally ordered Three Ships twice. Thank goodness as the one in the ground has not shown its face but the one in the lattice pot is flowering....whew! I hope this is not the beginning of another season of major losses.
My new long woodland bed that I created last spring is planted just with lattice pots which have been drenched in Pravado prior to planting. I am very anxious to see how this works out ???
Looking forward to another season....
Jennie
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Jennie - It might be wise to repeat the Provado drench later in the season so the concetration is at its maximum in the bulb during NBF season. Not too late as you might want the bulbs still to be active - roots as well as leaves - so they can absorb the Provado effeciently and effectively. Just a thought and I wonder if other galanthophiles agree with this suggestion. Snowdrop season is a long way off here.
Hope all forumist survived the storm without damage. It seems the RBGE has taken a terrible hit although no particulars other than 40+ trees, mainly conifers.
johnw - -7c and temps on the rise again.
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Another pot without a label - I blame the blackbirds :)
The first phot showing flower and leaves was taken in brilliant sunshine and gives a completely false colour. the second photo was taken yesterday with the much lower light levels and is approx correct.
Leaves suggest gracilis to me. It is only about 8cms high.
Any thoughts please
Arthur - I was given several G. gracilis "highdown" by another forum member last year - thanks Richard :) :) :). They are flowering in the garden and have the same twisted leaveas and paler green ovary as yours, however they have a different marking on the inner petals. I will try to photograph them this weekend and post a picture, actually I took several pictures in the sunshine on Monday but the flowers are all badly overexposed :-[ :-[ :-[
These G. gracilis "highdown" are my first ones in flower this season, are they usually this early? Sorry does that sound like I am complaining, well I'm not ;D ;D ;D. The only slight disappointment is even in the sunshine they havent openned up at all. In general do drops need sunshine or warmth (or both) to open?
Chris
glad to hear they are doing well, it's definitely not Highdown and yes it's usually one of the first here but is very early this year, they don't really need much light to open, stick them in a warm room and they open very quickly.
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Between two nasty storms G. elwesii "Yvonne Hay" looked happy in some sunshine ! :)
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Arthur - I was given several G. gracilis "highdown" by another forum member last year - thanks Richard :) :) :). They are flowering in the garden and have the same twisted leaveas and paler green ovary as yours, however they have a different marking on the inner petals. I will try to photograph them this weekend and post a picture, actually I took several pictures in the sunshine on Monday but the flowers are all badly overexposed :-[ :-[ :-[
Difficult to say without seeing them (as I always say) but they do sound similar to Vic Horton, that is not to say they are - I'll try for a photo later.
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Brian this is g."Highdown"
http://www.beningtonlordship.co.uk/images/imagesd/highdown.jpg
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My little snowdrop has a solid mark - quite unlike 'Highdown'
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Nice to have you back with us Jennie :D I don't think you have a lot to worry about, there are still several of mine not showing.
Here are a couple of pictures of G. 'Vic Horton' I had to bring it in to make the flower open up as it is perishing out there - doesn't look like it's yours Arthur. The G. gracilis 'Highdown' in the garden has foliage that is not as advanced as 'Vic Horton' (only an inch out of the ground). The G. 'Highdown' should have the lovely pale receptacle of the gracilis group.
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Lina has a lovely post in the Flemish forum.... Brian will like it for sure...... but there is something there for many of us! ;) ;)
http://www.vrvforum.be/forum/index.php?topic=535.msg16957#msg16957 8)
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What lovely crockery and a delicious looking cake! I shall have to start looking out for cups and saucers with umbellifers on them!
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Absolutely right Maggi, it looks delicious ;D
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I'm guessing you might prefer this one Maggi, made for visitors a couple of years ago by my friend Jane-Ann, one or two German forumists may have eaten a bit ;D
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Brian - A few look as if they've been frosted. ;)
johnw
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They certainly took a bit of damage that day ;)
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I love your choclate ones too! :P
Maybe we can do this now for a change.
We also had the ones below a few years ago.
Lina.
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These pastries from Lina beat your chocolate ones, I'm afraid, David - not that I wouldn't eat those if pushed!
It is the crockery which is so pretty too. 8) Probably nice even with a plain biscuit.....
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Noticed this little one near a clump of Galanthus corcyrensis. It is only 2 inches tall. The Galanthus corcyrensis are taller this year than usual (8 - 10 inches), probably due to mild dull weather when they were coming into flower. I expect it will be bigger next time it flowers.
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These pastries from Lina beat your chocolate ones, I'm afraid, David - not that I wouldn't eat those if pushed!
It is the crockery which is so pretty too. 8) Probably nice even with a plain biscuit.....
It's alright Maggi, I forgive you - I answer to anything.
Brian :-* :-*
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These pastries from Lina beat your chocolate ones, I'm afraid, David - not that I wouldn't eat those if pushed!
It is the crockery which is so pretty too. 8) Probably nice even with a plain biscuit.....
It's alright Maggi, I forgive you - I answer to anything.
Brian :-* :-*
Oops! Speaking to the wrong one! Still, you knew who I meant. :-[
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Between two nasty storms G. elwesii "Yvonne Hay" looked happy in some sunshine ! :)
Luc, superb picture, think I will have to wait about one week to make a picture of this variety in my garden! :o
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Allow also to me to show our January snowdrops... :D
On a photo is a gift for a friend on Christmas.
My first experience on painting of ceramics :)
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Another blackbird victim.
Any thoughts on whether it is a recognised variety.
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Another blackbird victim.
Arthur
Try the the jumbo black labels I have - the blackbirds don't seem quite so attracted to them! ;) 8)
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Somewhat in the same manner at Art's post:
Here is a Galanthus elwesii which I received from Arne Mickerts a few years back. I must admit to not paying it any great attention since receiving it - though I did label it well and so am still able to know it came from Arne and that he referred to it as "Galanthus elwesii with tubular flower".
It caught my eye today in the garden. It has a very upright habit and a flower which looks a little small for the overall size of the plant. When it opened, I thought the markings were quite interesting and wondered if anyone can recall an elwesii snowdrop with similar markings.
Your comments would be very welcome on this one. Good? Any thoughts?
Paddy
Arne Mickerts' G. elwesii with tubular flowers - as this is labelled in my garden.
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Re labels: I use a length of strong galvanised wire to which I attach an aluminium label and write on it with pencil which is quite permanent but am gradually doing the rounds and etching the names onto the labels now. I shove the wire into the ground until the label is half buried. This helps prevent them being moved by accident. And, I also bury a plastic label with the bulbs. Belts and braces!
Paddy
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Hi Paddy
As an apprentice snowdrop afficiaonado, I have not seen an Elwesii like this.
I do like it very much.
It is out and flowering early, the flower looks dainty on the end of such a long stalk, like a little bell when not open, very pretty.
I like the inner sepal markings, I love the huge vareity in these in especially Elwesii. The whole flower when opened looks cute to me, like a little beetle, sort of a ladybird shape.
Interesting to see if the flower changes at all as it matures.
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Hey Paddy,
like the words of Maggi: Beauty is in the eye of the beholder.
I have my problems with big flowers over too small plants
and also with big plants under too small flowers. Please note: these are my problems.
Of course it is an interesting plant with an very unusual mark.
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Paddy, very nice & distinctive! I have a similar tall/small flower plant but the mark is not unusual.
another vote for black t labels, work very well and seem bird proof.
a few pics from today.
Sickle
and from the greenhouse
Elmley Lovett
a nice elwesii
and something that must have seeded & I dug out of Hellebore last year, looks a little like Curly.
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Hello RichardW, your seeded has a very nice kind of pedicel. So the flower looks like a pendulum. I like these flowers.
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it does look nice but is very short, hopefully it's just sulking after being rather hacked out, am surprised it survived but the hellebore looked worse ;)
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'Elmley Lovett' is a nice name.... is it a person or a place?
Edit: Aha! Found this : http://www.british-history.ac.uk/report.aspx?compid=43094
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Many thanks for your comments on the snowdrop above. I will keep it going in the garden. The mark is interesting, I think, but feel Hagen's comment about the balance of size between the plant and the flower are especially apt.
I have a feeling that this snowdrop will look very interesting when it has bulked up into a good-sized clump; better as a group rather than for its individual appearance.
Time will tell.
I don't see Arne on the forum these days and wonder how this snowdrop is getting on with him.
He also sent me another small-flowered G. elwesii which has a full green inner segment marking and green tips on the outer segments. Photograph below.
Arne Mickerts' green-tipped Galanthus elwesii
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We had the pleasure of a visit from Arne last year.... it was a shock to see how tall he is.... BD and I felt like Hobbits :-X
He was around the Forum just before Christmas .... 8)
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Many thanks for your comments on the snowdrop above. I will keep it going in the garden. The mark is interesting, I think, but feel Hagen's comment about the balance of size between the plant and the flower are especially apt.
I have a feeling that this snowdrop will look very interesting when it has bulked up into a good-sized clump; better as a group rather than for its individual appearance.
Time will tell.
I don't see Arne on the forum these days and wonder how this snowdrop is getting on with him.
He also sent me another small-flowered G. elwesii which has a full green inner segment marking and green tips on the outer segments. Photograph below.
Arne Mickerts' green-tipped Galanthus elwesii
That is really pretty Paddy
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I see JOSEF JURĮEK is advertising seeds of Galanthus trojanus. :o
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I, too, am with Hagen on the small one. But then I am the one who loves spikies - so beauty is definitely in the eye of the beholder. 8)
The green tipped one is interesting - is this flowering now Paddy? Or a picture from a previous year.
Hopefully I will get to see the garden in day light today - I wonder what damage that wind has done!?....
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Hi John,
Both of these were photographed yesterday in the garden. The season is a bit ahead of normal here so it might not be accurate to assume it is normally an early-flowering snowdrop.
Paddy
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I see JOSEF JURĮEK is advertising seeds of Galanthus trojanus. :o
I have G.Trojan growing here.
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Is that the same Steve?
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Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii sel. 5515
just one of my selections
and my pot with Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp. vernalis
Roland
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A lovely potful Roland :)
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With a lot of luck (no frost next weeks)
we go to Sicily to see if we can find the original collection place
Roland
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Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii sel. 5515
I think someone who has 5515 selections Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii has a serious obsession with snowdrops. LOL
I am frightfully jealous of you G. reginae olgae as I have struggled so much with these in the garden and have conceded that I will have to grow them in pots in the glasshouse.
Paddy
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I am frightfully jealous of you G. reginae olgae as I have struggled so much with these in the garden and have conceded that I will have to grow them in pots in the glasshouse.
Paddy - I am amazed, G. r-o ssp vernalis thrives here. In fact, as I have mentioned before, it was the only type of drop in the garden when we moved here 15 years ago. It has survived total neglect and chronic overcrowding. I didn't identify it until last year when John (kentgardener) kindly gave me one. Anyway I now have numerous clumps in all sorts of different places in the garden. Some are well up already, others, in colder spots, are only just showing. If you or any other members want to try some just drop me a PM, I have hundreds 8) 8) 8).
Chris
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Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii sel. 5515
I think someone who has 5515 selections Galanthus elwesii var. elwesii has a serious obsession with snowdrops. LOL
Maybe 5515 is the picture number ;D
easy system picture number is plant number
when a plant is good enough
he get a real xx-xxx number = Year-Number
I try this summer Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp. vernalis in the garden
First I want to look in Sicily next week how they grow
if the place much differs from the Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp. reginae-olgae in Sicily
Roland
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Is that the same Steve?
Anthony, I think the safe assumption is that my G Trojan has nothing at all to do with these "trojanes" seeds. I got my bulb from a seller at last year's Gala, whose identity I didn't note - not I think one of the major suppliers. At any rate, if he/she reads this thread they can identify themselves (and sell more bulbs to you all!).
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Managed a quick tour of the garden today,to see Reverand Hailstone,Deer Slot,Benton Magnet,Godfrey Owen in and almost in flower ,if its brighter tomorrow I will take some pictures,still very wet underfoot though, I thought that the high winds might have dried it out a little more than they have
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Hi All
I too was working all day in the garden and plucked up the courage to do a 'head count' of snowdrops showing in front of the dogwoods. If you all remember (I doubt you can forget after I went on.....and on :)) - I had quite a bit of trouble in that border last year. Anyway, all are nosing through with the exception of 'Angelique' - my absolute favourite. I think my garden is quite a bit behind most of you but am wondering if anyone has Angelique poking thru yet? Also in that border 'Lapwing' looks quite sickly and I will dig it up tomorrow and investigate. The leaves are yellowing at the tips and the flower looks shrivelled and deformed. Here we go again...............
Roland - love your pot of reginae olgae subsp. vernalis - what a showstopper.
Paddy - love your two snowdrops gifts - lovely photos. I wish I knew how to take photos where the flower is in full focus and the background is blurry and out of focus.
Despite being on the phone to Avon at 9am on the dot on the 4th Jan - I still missed out on getting Alan's Treat. Does anyone know anywhere else I could try for it? I have been trying for 2 years now. Apparently Avon opened their doors for the New Year and had a hundred orders in the mail, so many cultivars were sold out before they started the web site and phone lines. ::)
Jennie
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I think that Jo Sharman had it last year Jennie
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I applied for a snowdrop list to Joe Sharman but never got one :'( I am not paying the price it will go for on ebay!
Oh well - it will come along one day.
Jennie
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A case of swings and roundabouts, perhaps. Chris, I would be delighted to take you up on your kind offer of some G. reg. olg. which have failed again and again in the garden - too wet in summer, I think but could not be absolutely sure. Perhaps, I'm just cursed.
On the other hand, Jennie, there is no need to go buying 'Angelique' as I have a nice clump here in the garden and could certainly spare you a bulb. They are above ground and the flowers are just about to open but this is in an unusually early season for us here this year. It would not normally be quite this early.
Re Avon Bulbs: I have ordered from them on many occasions and have generally been happy with their service. Last year they introduced a new online computer system and, certainly, last year's experience was a nuisance. The order came in dribs and drabs, making it a bother to keep track of the bills and the credit card statements. This year, the paper catalogue arrived but when I tried to order online the system was not active - all snowdrops bearing a note of being "out of season". I dropped them a line and the snowdrops were available to order online the following day. However, when I tried to order some dahlias and eucomis, they were marked "out of season". After enquiring again, I was told that I could not order snowdrops and other items in the same order, that I should order snowdrops as a separate item and then place another order for the dahlias. I still cannot order dahlias, eucomis and others as they are still marked, "out of order". Mary has decided that she won't bother with their dahlias, or anything else, this year.
Paddy
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Jennie Joe's list will be out at the end of the month
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On the other hand, Jennie, there is no need to go buying 'Angelique' as I have a nice clump here in the garden and could certainly spare you a bulb. They are above ground and the flowers are just about to open but this is in an unusually early season for us here this year. It would not normally be quite this early.
Thanks so much Paddy - a clump of Angelique must look beautiful. It is looking like I may have lost mine - if it appears I will be sure to let you know.
Mark - thanks for letting me know about Joe's list. I may get one or I may not. Already spending too much money.....again :)
Jennie
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Jennie,
the website of Avon Bulbs opened on the 3th of januari (was just looking and thought they opened on the 4th) so I ordered immediately,and many others did I suppose.Alan`s Treat was sold out(guilty :-[) after a few hours .
It is also on the dormant snowdroplist in the summer so you can always try then.
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Loes
I was desperately trying to order on 3rd Jan but am not registered as I normally buy over the phone. I kept entering my details to register and it would not go through - at that point Alan's Treat was available and I was getting very frustrated ???
It was not available on last years dormant list but it was the year before but sold out before I ordered. Oh well, maybe one of these days. Knowing my luck it would succumb to swift moth or narcissus fly anyway. If my Hugh Mackenzie don't show this year I am giving up snowdrops! It has not shown so far......but I believe it is a late one.....fingers crossed.
Jennie
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Thanks Paddy - good to know when things are flowering. 8)
Roland - interesting to see your Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp. vernalis - it looks to be strongly growing and the same appearance to the form I grow - but yours is weeks/months ahead of my ones flowering time.
Paddy - as you know I always struggle with r.o. in my garden - but r.o. ssp vernalis on the other hand seems to love it here and increases at a rate of knots flowering mid to late season. :)
Jennie - I am sorry to say that my 'Angelique' is well up and about a week away from flowering. But I am happy to say that 'Hugh MacKenzie' is only 1mm above ground and a late flowering one.
I only managed nighttime photographs yesterday! You might be able to spot an occasional snowdrop. ;)
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Fantastic set of pics. 8) I like the snowdrop setting, and I'm still trying to find the man in those embers. :o We used to do that when we were children and had a coal fire. My Grandmother started us off. ;D
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Roland - interesting to see your Galanthus reginae-olgae ssp. vernalis - it looks to be strongly growing and the same appearance to the form I grow - but yours is weeks/months ahead of my ones flowering time.
Mine are in a poly-tunnel
I hope to see some next week in Sicily
if the temperature not drops down here
Roland
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Lovely shots, John.
The pyracantha is excellent and the night photographs show the snowdrops clearly.
Paddy
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A few daytime shots to compliment John's.
G. 'Atkinsii'
G. 'Atkinsii' clump
G. 'David Baker'
G. 'Lavinia'
G. 'Lavinia' clump
G. 'Lyn' clump
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I wonder if my 'David Baker' survived its move? :-\
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lovely with the Cyclamen hederifolium
I do that with my G. elwesii
Roland
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I agree Roland. 'Lavinia' looks like a good clone and the setting looks perfect for it.
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Well, the two of you have made my morning brighter. G. 'Lavinia' is growing in a small raised bed which is around the base of a Malus 'Golden Hornet' and it is, perhaps, my favourite spot in the garden. There are trilliums, cyclamens, snowdrops, crocus, small primulas, a big-leafed ajuga to cover everything and lots of other little things. It is a little bed that I like very much, great level of interest there.
And, I do think G. 'Lavinia' is an excellent snowdrop also and it is one I look forward to each year.
Paddy
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A nice way to start Sunday with your photos Paddy, I love to see your clumps and drifts :)
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Very nice to see established clumps. John in Kent, do you stand guard like that every night? I wouldn't like to try and pinch any of your drops! (Or anybody else's naturally)
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John and Paddy, I love to see your pictures. Snowdrops look the best when they have formed a clump, isn't it? I will have to wait a few more years before mine will be like this. :(
John, do your fish always stay up with you? ;D
Paddy, this little border must be a great pleasure with all these little treasures.
Lina.
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Wow, John, very impressing pics :o, master of fire and ice :) :D ;D
Paddy, your Lavinia group is absolutely wonderful :D
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My goodness, I must post a photograph of this clump of G. 'Lavinia' when it has filled up.
Paddy
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Yes, please!! :D
Lina.
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this is the first time I show a snowdrop here. It is not the greatest picture, but I like to show this one.
G. 'Janus'
Lina.
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'Janus' to start off your year, very appropriate.
Paddy
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The mild weather brought us an early galanthus season too. But between the light I found also big shadows.
Here you can see my group of PEG SHARPLES, wandering into the eternal dark.
The next is a newcomer from GB, called TRYMER or TRIMMER. Who can tell me his whole story please?!
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The mild weather brought us an early galanthus season too. But between the light I found also big shadows.
Here you can see my group of PEG SHARPLES, wandering into the eternal dark.
The next is a newcomer from GB, called TRYMER or TRIMMER. Who can tell me his whole story please?!
Urgh! You have botrytis. Sorry, Hagen.
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Hagen, as far as I understand it (and I could be wrong) Rannveig Wallis had the care of some Trym seedlings from Primrose Warburgs garden. They have been exceptional and have given rise to snowdrops like 'Megan' and 'Corrin'. As this also comes from Rannveig I assume it is a relative of those. I am really pleased with it. Someone will correct me I hope?
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Martin, not only Botrytis.
Here is a fresh sacrifice of Stagonospora. It was a yellow Gpb. I`m angry so much. >:( >:( >:(
Hope your garden is much more "clean".
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Thank you, Brian I heard about CORRIN and MEGAN. Two names of my wishlist too!!
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John why is the bird feeder empty?
I'm happy to see my Trumps is now double figures.
Too many empty places :'(
Good to see Eranthis are now up - R. cilicicus, Guinea Gold and Swefel whatever
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Hagen, it's "Trymmer" (need to be careful with spellings with "Wandleburt" around) and Mark, its "Schwefelglanz". I posted a side by side pic comparison of Trymmer with Trymming and other suspects last year. Hagen, you could save your staggy bulb if its a precious one - but you'll need to be ruthless.
Here are some pics of drops in flower today that appear on SR less often;
Ermine Joyce 8.1.12
Franz Josef 8.2.12
North Star 8.2.12
Louise Ann Bromley 8.2.12
(edit by maggi to add photo names to text )
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What shall I do, Steve? To put out the healthy heart, yes???
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Lovely photos Steve. When I could not get my hands on Alan's Treat from Avon I plumped for Louise Ann Bromley as a 'special' gift to myself. Looking at your photo - I am glad I did :) Franz Josef is very beautiful.
I had a little poke around today and am over the moon to announce that HUGH MACKENSIE IS ALIVE and well and living in West Kingsdown, Kent !!! Looks like I cannot give up snowdrops just yet.
I think I can be safe in saying that Angelique is no more. There are quite a number of 'no shows' but it is still very early so am not giving up on them yet.
When I went to the Wisley Snowdrop Splendour last year I bought a few expensive ones and when I was at the check out the man reminded me that as long as I keep my receipt and the pot with the barcode on - I can get a refund if the plants die! I was quite surprised that this applied to bulbs. Well so far I have lost the Three Ships that I bought and it is looking like there will a few more. Trouble is, I cannot remember where I put the pots and receipt although I remember stashing them safely!?? Not sure how you can prove that a bulb has died though - I guess they take your word for it.
Nothing worth photographing just yet - very early days in my garden.
Jennie
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Jennie my Angeliques are still underground
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Urgh! You have botrytis. Sorry, Hagen.
Hagen - Might it be wise to try a drench of what's sold in Canada as Rovral? Greenhouse growers here use it for botrytis and it is quite effective.
http://www.bayeres.ca/resources/bayeres/Technical_Bulletins/Bayer_EN_RovralWP.pdf (http://www.bayeres.ca/resources/bayeres/Technical_Bulletins/Bayer_EN_RovralWP.pdf)
johnw - +4c after another extremely foggy day.
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Jennie my Angeliques are still underground
Thanks for telling me Mark.....maybe there is hope yet ???
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Steve, I found your pic with the family of TRYM, thank you.
JohnW, yes I have to act.Quickly. PEG SHARPLES is not the real problem. But the other bulb!!!
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What shall I do, Steve? To put out the healthy heart, yes???
Hagen
Without being over-detailed, I would
a) remove all discolouration with a sharp knife, if necessary discarding whole scales. Be vigilant about the neck of the bulb.
b) put the remaining (smaller!) bulb in a container and cover it with a strong mixture of disinfectant and fungicide (I don't think the exact choice of chemicals is crucial, we just need to show the micro-organisms who is boss)
c) after two days, take it out and let it dry
d) plant it in a clay pot in a mixture of 50% John Innes No.2 and 50% sharp sand. If you were based in the UK and could get to RHS Wisley I would be suggesting their wonderful Cornish grit instead.
e) moisten the whole thing and put the pot in a hospital section away from other bulbs. Keep it moist through the summer.
f) hope!
Steve
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So I will do it, Steve. Thank you.
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Steve, mine was bought as Trimmer, Ranveig seems to have switched from one to t'other and back again! Louise Ann Bromley looks lovely, to show what a difference there is between our gardens, mine is about a centimetre out of the ground!
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Sorry Hagen, I meant as a preventative on your other snowdrops.
Is this botrytis exacerbated by your northern latitude and the early showing of shoots in dampish weather?
We do see botrytis on cyclamen in the greenhouse during late damp autumns. I am just off to treat a big persicum and to record my no-shows in the Galanthus department.
johnw
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JohnW these clump was the only and the first infected this year. No other and more traces of Botrytis now. We will see later again.
The rest of the other bulb is in a mixture now, no witch could mix it better. Here is the flower I fight for: right plant.
DICKERCHEN+GRÜNER SPLITTER+SCHORBUSER IRRLICHT
(edit by maggi to add flower names to text)
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Brian
I don't suppose the world will come to an end on "y" versus "i", but I think the idea was to link all the Trym derivatives back to the original cultivar by maintaining the first four letters, as in "Trympostor".
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Steve,
Thanks you for the interesting snowdrops but, for me, 'Louise Anne Bromley' is a lovely one.
Hagen, hope you manage to clean up your snowdrops; that pale yellow one is very nice indeed.
Paddy
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Jennie my Angeliques are still underground
Thanks for telling me Mark.....maybe there is hope yet ???
Hello Jennie
Keep faith. I know how you feel. I thought I had lost my Wendy's gold, today I noticed it poking through the ground.
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Despite a few very cold days in January with no snow cover reginae-olgae Cambridge bravely soldiers along here outdoors.
First in line after the reginae-olgaes indoors is Bess followed a few days later by Ding Dong.
johnw
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Jennie,if you pm me
Also pleased to see David Baker up and flowering today,rather dissapointed with pictures taken today so will try again tomorrow
Steve some lovely drops there
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What shall I do, Steve? To put out the healthy heart, yes???
Hagen
Without being over-detailed, I would
b) put the remaining (smaller!) bulb in a container and cover it with a strong mixture of disinfectant and fungicide (I don't think the exact choice of chemicals is crucial, we just need to show the micro-organisms who is boss)
I'm a bit bemused by the suggestion that the exact choice of chemicals isn't crucial.
When I have an infection caused by a specific bacterium or fungus, I expect to be prescribed an antibiotic that covers that organism. If not it will rapidly become apparent that the microorganism is boss because I'll be dead. Additionally, you've possibly also contributed to resistance generation in a bunch of other potential pathogens lurking around the place that aren't causing the immediate problem. While the disinfectant might surface sterilize your bulb remains, depending on what it is, and the concentration, it will quite possibly do a lot of other things as well, some of which will not be desirable. The exact choice of chemicals and their use is crucial.
Best,
John
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Well, since
a) most of us are not microbiologists or botanists trained to identify plant diseases with unerring accuracy, and
b) there is no scientific guide as to which antidote chemicals treat which diseases even if we could diagnose the causative problem, and
c) no plant treatment manufacturer is going to be daft enough to certify that his product is THE antidote to disease a, b, or c
- it seems to me that the logic of this is that no one attempts to use any sort of chemicals whatsoever.
If alternatively you do have a guaranteed antidote to stagonospora, don't be shy - enlighten us.
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Well, since
a) most of us are not microbiologists or botanists trained to identify plant diseases with unerring accuracy, and
b) there is no scientific guide as to which antidote chemicals treat which diseases even if we could diagnose the causative problem, and
c) no plant treatment manufacturer is going to be daft enough to certify that his product is THE antidote to disease a, b, or c
- it seems to me that the logic of this is that no one attempts to use any sort of chemicals whatsoever.
If alternatively you do have a guaranteed antidote to stagonospora, don't be shy - enlighten us.
b) there is no scientific guide as to which antidote chemicals treat which diseases even if we could diagnose the causative problem. Just read the manufacturers labels - they tell you what they treat. They are all available via the internet.
c). no plant treatment manufacturer is going to be daft enough to certify that his product is THE antidote to disease a, b, or c. Sure they do. The labels don't all say things like 'kills stuff'. They are very specific.
The right disinfectant at the right concentration with the right exposure time will surface sterilize the bulb without doing much damage. Soaking in a systemic broad spectrum fungicide (separately from the disinfectant obviously) will help without doing much harm. Following up with repeated foliage spraying with broad spectrum fungicides will be essential to prevent re-infection. If you have something close to a very dense monoculture then likely the disease will be with you forever. Close and permanent attention to prophylactic and symptomatic treatments as well as excellent hygiene might minimize the damage.
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Thanks so much Chas.
Last year I had various problems including stag. I stripped the bulbs right down to a central core almost and soaked them in fungicide - they looked like spring onions. I planted them in isolation and noticed today that they are coming up. I also had a Diggory bulb which had rotted in very wet heavy soil. I cleaned it up and potted in 50/50 sand and John Innes but during the summer decided to plant it as it was getting so dry in the pot. I noticed today that is coming up too!
So Hagen - it can work and I do hope you manage to save your bulb - it is beautiful (not wanting to add to your stress) !
Many of my kind gifts from forum members are also breaking through the ground to my relief. Happy Days :)
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.... Soaking in a systemic broad spectrum fungicide....
Such as? Maybe such things are still available to the professional in agriculture or horticulture but I don't think there is any such thing for the rest of us.
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.... Soaking in a systemic broad spectrum fungicide....
Such as? Maybe such things are still available to the professional in agriculture or horticulture but I don't think there is any such thing for the rest of us.
I have no idea what is available in the UK. In the USA, for example see:
http://issuu.com/griffins/docs/209-2241?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true and
http://issuu.com/griffins/docs/225-2401?mode=embed&layout=http%3A%2F%2Fskin.issuu.com%2Fv%2Flight%2Flayout.xml&showFlipBtn=true
Unless specified, an applicators permit/license is not required for purchase.
I've used the Cleary's and Daconil to good effect for several fungal indications.
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I think "broad spectrum" is perhaps another name for "stuff"? ;) I certainly isn't specific!
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There's nothing left in the way of fungicides for the homeowner here - sulphur, bordeaux and Bacillus subtilis strain QST 713. We are left with precious few for vegetables and fruit but are not supposed to use them on ornamentals. Of course golf courses can use whatever has a registration certificate.
Does anyone know of a Stag-specific fungicide or a Botrytis galanthina fungicide, i.e. one that specifically mentions either on the label? I can only presume that Rovral might be useful for the latter as it is so effective for other kinds of Botrytisif not applied more than once per year, timing must be right on.
johnw
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Nice to see the pics of these rarities Steve. Is 'Louise Ann Bromley' as large as I have heard?
Franz Josef is a beauty.
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I have no idea what is available in the UK..... I've used the Cleary's and Daconil to good effect for several fungal indications.
Daconil would seem to be available only to professionals charged with grass/lawn care http://www.scottsprofessional.co.uk/files/B0KKqFPz3o.pdf
I cannot find any indication that Cleary's fungicide is available in the UK (at least not under that name).
I presume what goes for the UK applies equally to the rest of the EU.
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Stefan Buczacki and Keith Harris in the Collins Guide to the Pests, Diseases and Disorders of Garden Plants, talk of soaking bulbs (presumably narcissus) in 0.05% formalin before planting to combat Stagonospora curtisii. Since narcissus are so widely grown commercially there must be fungicidal treatments for them, but these days they are much less likely to be available to amateur growers (rather like captan and benlate which many nurserymen have found valuable in the past). In Nature plant and pest will always be in a dynamic balance and the best way of minimising disease is in the natural selection of vigorous varieties which occurs in the garden from seed. All the wonderful varieties grown by gardeners must be potentially much more susceptible and the answer must be in distributing bulbs to friends and, if room, spreading them widely around the garden. Touch wood Stagonospora has not been such a problem for me so far but I do lose a lot of bulbs from swift moth caterpillars. I sort of live with it until I think how much they cost me!!
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Don't talk to me about swift moth caterpillars! But I cannot help thinking that some of the mass-production techniques that must be applied to small narcissus bulbs like 'Tete-a-tete' could be equally applicable to snowdrops. These techniques must surely include disease control measures.
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Nice to see the pics of these rarities Steve. Is 'Louise Ann Bromley' as large as I have heard?
Franz Josef is a beauty.
John,
Yes, quite a big flower head. FJ is very nice but Esther Merton is still my belle of the ball.
Steve
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These techniques must surely include disease control measures.
I talked to a few Dutch growers of Hippeastrum recently. They do nothing for Stag on Hippeastrum; the reasoning is that the large bulbs can live long enough to flower and most homeowners toss them afterwards.
It would be of great interest to hear what measures they take for Narcissus.
johnw
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Two questions:
Has anyone seen signs of Stag in the wild or in naturalized colonies?
Why does my reginae-olgae 'Cambridge' flower stem not flop in the cold like the other species and hybrids?
johnw
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I was lucky to come home from work a little early today, while it was still daylight, to meet a friend at my place. 8) A couple of pictures he took.
1 - Trumps (My friend Paul doesn't like the photo title of 'Paul Trumps' for some reason... :D )
2 - Me and a group of pots.
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John
What's in the two big pots?
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John lovely shot of the pots and i see mine ;D is there two flowers per bulb.
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Hi John,
a nice and typically pic from you.
But do you have only purely white galanthus in pots??? ;)
We wish us some descriptions please.
I will wait in GB for you, between the 5th to the 13th of February.
Hagen
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By the mild weather, like everywhere, is the snowdropseason already underway.
. 'Christine' is always the last flowering reginae-olgae in my garden. It was named by Christopher Grey-Wilson for his wife 'Christine' originated in his mother's garden (1970 or before). When growing well it often produce a second shape.
. G. niv. 'Margery Fish' is a very nice distinct 'green' one. It was found growing in the famous ditch garden at East Lambrook Manor, Somerset and named after the great plantswomen who once gardened there.
. G. rizehensis (Picture: example with much broader foliage than is familiar in this species). Sir Frederick Stern described G. rizehensis in 'Snowdrops and Snowflakes' (1956), naming it after Rize, a town on the Black Sea coast of north-east Turkey.
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Hello John,
Lovely photos, trumps is really nice.
What's the name of the one on the left in the foreground? It looks yellowish
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Hello Freddy,
Margery Fish is a beauty, where did you get it from?
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. 'Christine' is always the last flowering reginae-olgae in my garden. It was named by Christopher Grey-Wilson for his wife 'Christine' originated in his mother's garden (1970 or before). When growing well it often produce a second shape.
Very nice clump of 'Christine'. I would guess that the fact that it does well outdoors, in addition to its late flowering period, suggests that it may well be better placed in reginae-olgae vernalis than reginae-olgae. Shame you don't see it for sale much. IN fact I haven't seen it offered anywhere recently.
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Nice pictures everyone. Finally managed to take some photos that I am not too ashamed to post ;D ;D ;D
First a clump of G. gracilis "Highdown" which have been flowering for more than a week. There is something about the way they hold their leaves that I find slightly comical.
Second Annes Millenium Giant, which has just got to this stage and is anything but a giant - approx 12cm high - is this other peoples experience too?
Both are presents from forum members last year, many thanks. These are the first two up here but havent opened up yet.
Chris
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Jennie - Not sure it is good news for you, or bad news for me, but my Angelique isn't showing yet... I fear the worst... :(
John - I love all the green tipped forms but that 'Trumps' is fantastic!
Freddy - 'Margery Fish' looks absolutely amazing!
Anyone have any suggestions as to where I might find either of these available?
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Hi Torsen,
North Green Snowdrop Co. have G. 'Trumps' for sale in their catalogue this year for £40.00 (plus postage) !
If you buy some, and 'bulk' them up, don't forget who told you where to get them from !!
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John,
Funny name that for a snowdrop, "Davey Nice"!
And, "Bill Baker Green Tipped" brings back memories of a kind gift of a clump of bulbs from Helen Dillon with this name but they all turned out to be G. Atkinsii. Disappointed!
The pyracantha is great, by the way.
Paddy
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I won't ;) They better have some left! (although I suspect that is unlikely now :( )
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Has anyone seen signs of Stag in the wild or in naturalized colonies?
I have certainly seen stagonospora in naturalised colonies of Galanthus plicatus. You tend not to see clump formation in large snowdrop colonies and I have come to the conclusion that this must be because the rate of attrition is higher than in supervised cultivation. I imagine a balance is established between predation by pests and diseases and increase by division and setting seed.
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Freddy - Have you ever grown seed of nivalis 'Margery Fish'? If not it would be an interesting project. Beautiful.
johnw
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Very nice clump of 'Christine'. I would guess that the fact that it does well outdoors, in addition to its late flowering period, suggests that it may well be better placed in reginae-olgae vernalis than reginae-olgae. Shame you don't see it for sale much. In fact I haven't seen it offered anywhere recently.
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Indeed Martin as the Bible says
"In its flowering period, and to an extent in its leaf development, this robust (and it is really robust !) cultivar bridges the gap between the late G. reginae-olgae clones and the earliest ssp. vernalis variants, usually flowering sometime between late December and early January. It is therefore not easy to attribute to either subspecies."
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This is my first time back to the forum since last snowdrop season. Happy New Year to everyone.
Could someone remind me how to insert photos into a message like this one and what size is acceptable? i am hopeless with figuring that kind of stuff out.
Thanks, Carolyn
(Edit by Maggi : Carolyn, I will email you the info you need)
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John,
Funny name that for a snowdrop, "Davey Nice"!
And, "Bill Baker Green Tipped" brings back memories of a kind gift of a clump of bulbs from Helen Dillon with this name but they all turned out to be G. Atkinsii. Disappointed!
The pyracantha is great, by the way.
Paddy
Paddy it just happens to be the nicest one i have found so far,it has no name its just what John has put on the label.I would like to think thats what people think of me though ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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John
What's in the two big pots?
The centre one is 'David Baker' - the right hand one is Arthurs Early Elwesii 8)
John lovely shot of the pots and i see mine ;D is there two flowers per bulb.
Indeed it is Davey - just one flower per bulb this year.
Hi John,
a nice and typically pic from you.
But do you have only purely white galanthus in pots??? ;)
We wish us some descriptions please.
I will wait in GB for you, between the 5th to the 13th of February.
Hagen
Nothing with green on the outers yet. The green ones are typically much later. My new 'German Corner' that I have recently planted up is likely to be the last area flowering in the garden.
I look forward to meeting with you in the UK. Can you stay until the 14th so that you can attend the RHS show in London? It is a good place to meet many friends.
Hello John,
Lovely photos, trumps is really nice.
What's the name of the one on the left in the foreground? It looks yellowish
Rick - well spotted - it is indeed a yellow one: 'Bill Clark'
Second Annes Millenium Giant, which has just got to this stage and is anything but a giant - approx 12cm high - is this other peoples experience too?
Definitely not a giant Chris - that is why I gave them all away last year. :D It had never been impressive here - I was going to just bin them - but giving them away was to see if they performed any better in others gardens - which I guess they don't. ::)
John,
Funny name that for a snowdrop, "Davey Nice"!
And, "Bill Baker Green Tipped" brings back memories of a kind gift of a clump of bulbs from Helen Dillon with this name but they all turned out to be G. Atkinsii. Disappointed!
The pyracantha is great, by the way.
Paddy
As Davey has said - just my label for the nicest one of his finds that year.
Bill Bakers Green Tipped is a new one for me this season - I have yet to see the flower - hopefully not Atkinsii. ;) I think Brian has it in flower already, Brian?
The blackbirds are loving the pyrocantha too! ;D
Nice pictures and great drift of drops Freddy. I have always thought that vernalis have the leaves at the same time as the flowers.
I've just seen a report on the BBC news showing snowdrops at the woodland trust - apparently they are much earlier than usual and news worthy.
And of course we all think Davey; Nice! ;D
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These techniques must surely include disease control measures.
I talked to a few Dutch growers of Hippeastrum recently. They do nothing for Stag on Hippeastrum; the reasoning is that the large bulbs can live long enough to flower and most homeowners toss them afterwards.
johnw
Interesting. Maybe we need to breed massive snowdrop bulbs so they can cope better. ;D
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John,we have had Richard Todd, from Anglessey Abbey on our local news this morning, saying how the snowdrops are at least two weeks earlier this year
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Bill Bakers Green Tipped is a new one for me this season - I have yet to see the flower - hopefully not Atkinsii. ;) I think Brian has it in flower already, Brian?
I don't believe it, mine is now over and I have had it in flower before you, lovely green tips and a fine flower, unfortunately I couldn't find my camera to take a picture (all the things being sorted out for the charity shop spread around everywhere).
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A couple more pics my friend took yesterday.
- 'Richard Ayres'
- 'Mr Blobby'
- 'Rogers Rough' (My friend commented on how he liked this one - I agree but I can't put my finger on what is so nice about it)
- 'Epiphany'
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Lovely pictures John.
One of my 'Epiphany' flowers was green tipped this year. It still had the narrow, pinched apical mark. I can't remember if its meant to have green tips or not ??? The others were all white.
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- 'Richard Ayres' - I can't say I've noticed that green ring under the ovary before :-\ Is a mark like that quite unusual ? (or am I very slow?! :-X )
- 'Rogers Rough' - I don't remember seeing photos of this before... a very elegantly shaped flower with full petals... very nice.
edit: Oh! I have seen it before.....
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6670.msg184579#msg184579
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God bless your eyesight, Maggi.
I have looked back over photographs of G. 'Richard Ayres' for the past few years. I purchased a single bulb from Harvey Garden Plants in Jan 2007 at a cost of £20.50. The fact that I started with one bulb is significant for, in subsequent years, I have photographs of 'Richard Ayres' with a mark as shown in John's photograph, some with no mark in that position at all and another, shown in this thread earlier I think, which shows two small marks instead. Obviously there is some variability. Of course, I will now rush off and name each variant and offer them for sale.
My photograph of 'Richard Ayres' is on page one of this thread.
Paddy
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On EBay Paddy? ;D
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All I need, David, is a suitably vague username for e-bay and a tough neck to describe ordinary snowdrops in a wonderfully evocative and tantalising way.
Fortune awaits. Paddy
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Bill Bakers Green Tipped is a new one for me this season - I have yet to see the flower - hopefully not Atkinsii.
I've just lifted a clump of a green tipped early flowering drop that originated from Bill Baker to re home, tips are variable but usually quite faint, would be interested to see photos of the other one if anyone has one.
The large drop I have from him is a real monster (think you saw it last year) had to be staked again this year ::)
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. G. rizehensis (Picture: example with much broader foliage than is familiar in this species). Sir Frederick Stern described G. rizehensis in 'Snowdrops and Snowflakes' (1956), naming it after Rize, a town on the Black Sea coast of north-east Turkey.
Freddy, should disappoint you a bit - it isn't G. rizehensis - it is G. woronowii really. :-\
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At orthodox Xmas, the 7th January, it was quiet abnormally sunny and warm (+10C) in Ukraine, so my lovely Mediterranean drops were opened during a second half-day))
they are
GRO from Greek Vyros gorge
G. ikariae ssp. snogerupii from Andros close to be opened)))
G. cilicicus ex l.c. - very huge plant indeed, not as tender as it is described anywhere in literature!!
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This is my first time on the forum since last spring so I hope you will forgive some postings of photos of some of my spectacular fall-blooming snowdrops.
G. reginae-olgae on November 3, started in mid-October. I have never gotten a really good shot of this plant but who doesn't like snowdrops in October?
G. elwesii on November 20. I have been planting hundreds of dried G. elwesii bulbs for a number of years and they bloom from November to March.
G. elwesii var. monstichus 'Potter's Prelude' on November 20---an American selection, wonderful.
'Potter's Prelude' on November 29.
'Potter's Prelude' foliage on January 1, 2012.
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At orthodox Xmas, the 7th January, it was quiet abnormally sunny and warm (+10C) in Ukraine, so my lovely Mediterranean drops were opened during a second half-day))
they are
GRO from Greek Vyros gorge
G. ikariae ssp. snogerupii from Andros close to be opened)))
G. cilicicus ex l.c. - very huge plant indeed, not as tender as it is described anywhere in literature!!
Hope you had a very pleasant Christmas, Dima.
G. cilicicus ex l.c. - very huge plant indeed, not as tender as it is described anywhere in literature!
That's always good to hear a plant is tougher than we think!
I'm sorry if this has been discussed before... but the excellent photo brings the question to my mind......... does G. cilicicus always have such a clearly square stem section?
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John why do you have snowdrops in lattice pots but have them above ground? Dont their root tips die?
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New snowdrop list due on the Elworthy Cottage website in the next few days.....
http://www.elworthy-cottage.co.uk/Garden.html
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two of Bill Baker's Large, is approx 12" high.
gracilis "Highdown" very dainty but bulks up fast.
and Little John in the G/H
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- 'Richard Ayres' - I can't say I've noticed that green ring under the ovary before :-\ Is a mark like that quite unusual ? (or am I very slow?! :-X )
Neither have I Maggi - quite obvious once it is pointed out - I'm home from work (in the dark as usual ::) ) and want to go and look at them now to see if that green ring is as obvious in real life - but my torch batteries are flat!
Carolyn - nice to see G. elwesii var. monstichus 'Potter's Prelude' - always very interesting to see the selections that are being made across the pond. 8)
Lovely looking heavy petals on that 'GRO from Greek Vyros gorge' Dimitri. A real shame I struggle so much to grow RO as there are so many nice ones. :'(
John why do you have snowdrops in lattice pots but have them above ground? Dont their root tips die?
Hi Mark
My personal experience here is that I've found that if plants get frozen solid while above ground in normal pots some have had a tendency to die! Whereas the ones in the lattice pots have all survived. I have no real proof to back this up - just my own personal theories about the pressure of ice crystals. They also drain better and dry out faster. Roots seem to be clever things and kind of instinctively know when to pop out of the lattice and when to stay safely inside. ;) And of course the fact that my garden is tiny and I don't have space for everything to be below ground. :(
One more picture from yesterday that I've been sent and had it suggested that I post - something about similar looking noses (and I've got a feeling he wasn't talking about the emerging snowdrops!)! ;) ::)
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John
Great new pic, super tan. Who needs Madeira? By the way, who's your friend in the bobble hat? :D
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That's always good to hear a plant is tougher than we think!
I'm sorry if this has been discussed before... but the excellent photo brings the question to my mind......... does G. cilicicus always have such a clearly square stem section?
thanks, Maggi! it was very springly Xmas never had before))))
about G. cilicicus - I have this plant only two years and it blooms with only 1 flowers as you could see. But it has rather lanceolate stem section, not square. Such section have many other snowdrop species, e.g. GRO.
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Thanks, Dima.... looking again I see two planes on the stem from the angle of the photo.... I must have been counting two and then imagining two to make four! :-\ :-[
Nice plant, anyhow.
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[gracilis "Highdown" very dainty but bulks up fast.
my gracilis 'Highdown" went from 3 nice flowering bulbs in two years time to just one miserable leaf.
so it is obisously not very happy. does it need a much dryer condition than most drops?
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One more picture from yesterday that I've been sent and had it suggested that I post - something about similar looking noses (and I've got a feeling he wasn't talking about the emerging snowdrops!)! ;) ::)
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John - need to see you in a curly wig to be sure of the resemblance ;) Your garden is looking full of interest and neat and tidy as always. Glad to hear your snowdrops stay safe in lattice pots as I have loads above ground at the moment and have been worrying about them although the weather is so mild I doubt anything could come to harm.
There have been some lovely photos lately. Love Roger's Rough and gracilis 'Highdown'.
Jennie
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I have "Highdown" under the edge of an evergreen hedge facing south-east. It's dry there although there is water run-off from the drive on those rare days when we get a decent amount of rain. It sits there and sulks, manages a few flowers each year but does not bulk-up. So I presume mine is too dry and therefore unhappy. But I do live in the driest part of the UK.
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John what's the big elwesii by your right hand? None of my elwesii are so far on.
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John what's the big elwesii by your right hand? None of my elwesii are so far on.
The tallest one is the 'Rogers Rough' I keep admiring, the two shorter clumps with larger flowers are both 'Penelope Ann'.
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the soil here is heavy clay, I wouldn't say anywhere it grows is particularly dry it just seems to do well & I don't give it any special treatment went planting.
[gracilis "Highdown" very dainty but bulks up fast.
my gracilis 'Highdown" went from 3 nice flowering bulbs in two years time to just one miserable leaf.
so it is obisously not very happy. does it need a much dryer condition than most drops?
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The tallest one is the 'Rogers Rough' I keep admiring, the two shorter clumps with larger flowers are both 'Penelope Ann'.
I knew it was too good to be true, 'Rogers Rough' not even through the soil yet!
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Yes, John Finch has a wonderfully sheltered garden so everything seems to flower earlier for him than for the rest of us in England.
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One or two things caught my eye just now. Lapwing is making a nice clump (despite being denuded every year so far for swaps!), in a clump of Helen Tomlinson, this particular flower is looking very joyous with skirts lifted high, and here is Trimmer aka Trymmer one to cheer up a friend - sorry about the picture ;D
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thanks for the answers regarding "Highdown" Alan and Richard,I`ll give it another place in the garden,not too dry and hope it survives.
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I forgot to mention that my gracilis "Highdown" came originally from Richard's garden at Bennington Lordship.
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Now, I know less than most about Snowdrops but picked this one out from a garden centre tray all labelled Galanthus ikariae. The "plus side" to me was that it was bigger than all the others and the mark was very different to all the others, and the leaves were more glaucus than all the others. The "minus side", and this jarred against my Yorkshire carefulness moneywise, was that all the other pots had more than one bulb and this one was a singleton. I'm sure you experts will be able to tell me more about it.
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Exam Q1.
January 2011 - following snow and prolonged cold; on 7 January 2011, 75% of my snowdrops were "up".
January 2012 - unseasonably warm weather; newspapers and Scottish Rock threads all reporting how far advanced the growing and flowering season supposedly is; on 11 January 2012 75% of my snowdrops were "up".
Discuss.
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thanks for the answers regarding "Highdown" Alan and Richard,I`ll give it another place in the garden,not too dry and hope it survives.
I have clumps in both light & very shaded areas though it seems to thrive in the lighter areas if it helps, I guess it must just like my soil, it has always done well here.
Had to replant some today which had been spread into grass by bunnies & squirrels etc and found what must be some seedlings among them, has a pale ovary like gracilis but long pedicel, solid mark & without the narrow twisted leaf.
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Searching for Galanthus Hanning's Horror!
Hello fellow forum members. For a desperately seeking garden friend I am searching for Galanthus Hanning's Horror. Does anyone know a source who sells this snowdrop?
Thank you for your help.
Cheers,
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Hello fellow forum members. For a desperately seeking garden friend I am searching for Galanthus Hanning's Horror. Does anyone know a source who sells this snowdrop?
I had the same request
David your snowdrop is G. elwesii
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Exam Q1.
January 2011 - following snow and prolonged cold; on 7 January 2011, 75% of my snowdrops were "up".
January 2012 - unseasonably warm weather; newspapers and Scottish Rock threads all reporting how far advanced the growing and flowering season supposedly is; on 11 January 2012 75% of my snowdrops were "up".
Discuss.
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Answer, 25% are not up - yet ;D
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I had the same request
David your snowdrop is G. elwesii
Thanks Mark. Is the mark anything out of the ordinary?
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David, just ordinary in truth. If you go back to the garden centre you'll see just how variable the markings are
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Had to replant some today which had been spread into grass by bunnies & squirrels etc and found what must be some seedlings among them, has a pale ovary like gracilis but long pedicel, solid mark & without the narrow twisted leaf.
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They sound nice Richard - any photos?
Jennie
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I have done it again. I try to shorten the quote and end up with the quote without the blue highlight. What am I doing wrong?
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I have done it again. I try to shorten the quote and end up with the quote without the blue highlight. What am I doing wrong?
Jennie you removed the first quote line quote author=kentish_lass link=topic=8282.msg225648#msg225648 date=1326304056
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will get some tomorrow.
Had to replant some today which had been spread into grass by bunnies & squirrels etc and found what must be some seedlings among them, has a pale ovary like gracilis but long pedicel, solid mark & without the narrow twisted leaf.
They sound nice Richard - any photos?
Jennie
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Jennie you removed the first quote line quote author=kentish_lass link=topic=8282.msg225648#msg225648 date=1326304056
it`s just females who do those things wrong?thanks Mark,I had the same problem
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Jennie you removed the first quote line quote author=kentish_lass link=topic=8282.msg225648#msg225648 date=1326304056
it`s just females who do those things wrong?thanks Mark,I had the same problem
Of course not... the men do it too! :)
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Jennie you removed the first quote line quote author=kentish_lass link=topic=8282.msg225648#msg225648 date=1326304056
it`s just females who do those things wrong?thanks Mark,I had the same problem
Of course not... the men do it too! :)
All the time.
Well, some of the time! ;D
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I visited a friend yesterday who had a pot of unnamed snowdrops.
I was impressed by the size, the shape, the marking and the green tips.
One of the potful is now residing with me :)
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One of the potful is now residing with me :)
That's the definition of a friend Arthur :D
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Thanks to a friend of mine... (on several counts!) I have G. 'Madelaine' flowering.
And 'Robin Hood'.
'Fieldgate Prelude' is still hanging on, though a bit battered by the weather but that's understandable because it has been out for a while through some real gales.
'Imbolc' ( which sounds like a disorder!) is nearly open.
Looking especially pretty is a pot of one of the smallest Scottish "Castle" 'drops- G. 'Ramsay'.
Far too cold... and now too dark, for a photo... will speak nicely to the BD tomorrow if its fine.
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this is the plant I found in amongst the Highdown yesterday, is nothing like nearby so I assume it is a seedling, nothing very special but it is nice that after nearly 20 years growing/collecting I'm starting to find a few odd things popping up.
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yet again my Ivy Cottage/Croft Green Tips have no green tips. What about yours?
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this is the plant I found in amongst the Highdown yesterday, is nothing like nearby so I assume it is a seedling, nothing very special but it is nice that after nearly 20 years growing/collecting I'm starting to find a few odd things popping up.
If seedlings take that long to appear I won't be around to see them :o I had best start some hand pollinating to get things moving a bit swifter.
Sweet little seedling Richard - I suppose the seed could have come from anywhere in the garden via insects, birds etc?
I logged on over 2 hours ago and somehow ended up on Galanthus 2010 with some excellent photos and before I knew it I was in 2007 and Tilebarn Nursery getting excited over Cyclamen! There is so much good reading on here.
Jennie
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Me again
I have a question for those that grow snowdrops in pots...if I may?
Today I got a lovely delivery from one of my orders and I had to pot them up whilst waiting to finish another small raised bed in the woodlands. I made my mix from John Innes 2, potting grit and a touch of peat. I carefully put the bulb on a layer of sharp sand and grit with a little gritty compost around the bulb. I gently watered them in and placed them in my net polytunnel for now.
My question is really - watering? I tend to panic with bulbs in pots and let them get far too dry. Once potted -how moist should the soil be? I have just taken a few lattice pots from the tunnel and the soil was like dust and the flowers were much smaller and shorter than they should be - they were dehydrated. I am used to planting them directly in the ground.
I know just how much water to give any other type of plant but am nervy when it comes to bulbs. Any advice gratefully accepted.
thanks
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I logged on over 2 hours ago and somehow ended up on Galanthus 2010 with some excellent photos and before I knew it I was in 2007 and Tilebarn Nursery getting excited over Cyclamen! There is so much good reading on here.
Jennie
I know that feeling Jennie.
My latest thing is to visit the 'who is online' section on the front page - and then randomly dip into a thread that someone else is reading. I keep finding all sort of interesting threads I wouldn't have otherwise visited. 8)
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Jennie,
I use a sandy/gritty John Innes mix and water little but often during the growing season (all mine indoors have been done twice this week with it being mild/sunny) never letting the compost get very dry, in the summer they go into a shaded frame and unless the weather is particularly dry they rarely get watered more then a very quick splash once every few weeks.
has been dry last year & was worried about over watering the dormant chipped bulbs so I left a few to nature and they were clearly not to good when repotted.
I've had a lot in pots for the last few years due to starting chipping and this seems to work well for me.
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I use a sandy/gritty John Innes mix and water little but often during the growing season (all mine indoors have been done twice this week with it being mild/sunny) never letting the compost get very dry, in the summer they go into a shaded frame and unless the weather is particularly dry they rarely get watered more then a very quick splash once every few weeks... this seems to work well for me.
Me too Jennie ;)
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Mine in pots are in open frames and have received no watering from me since repotting. My mix is similar to Richard's
My concern during the really wet periods we have had - yes we did have rain in November and December - was whether they were getting too wet. The results would say otherwise as I think this year is the best ever.
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My concern during the really wet periods we have had - yes we did have rain in November and December - was whether they were getting too wet.
same here so if very heavy rain is forecast I do cover my frames, if they get too dry at least you can water but they can take weeks to dry out from water logging.
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Searching for Galanthus Hanning's Horror!
Hello fellow forum members. For a desperately seeking garden friend I am searching for Galanthus Hanning's Horror. Does anyone know a source who sells this snowdrop?
Thank you for your help.
Cheers,
So, does anyone know of a source for 'Hanning's Horror', please?
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I've never seen it on any of the lists I have been getting for the past half dozen years Maggi. It is one I would have noticed and would grow too if it had been listed.
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Thanks John. It hasn't been seen much around the Forum, for sure. :-X
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Well it is aptly named
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Well is John hasn't got his hands on it then it must be difficult to come by...or difficult to grow
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Just noticed Mark has a picture on his site
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/hanning-horror.html
so he may know from whence it can be obtained.
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Just noticed Mark has a picture on his site
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/hanning-horror.html
so he may know from whence it can be obtained.
Brian, this is rather "Phytoplasma-Infected Horror"!! ;D ;D ;D
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Just noticed Mark has a picture on his site
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/hanning-horror.html
so he may know from whence it can be obtained.
Brian, this is rather "Mycoplasma-Infected Horror"!! ;D ;D ;D
Well, I must say it looks sick to me, so I am interested to see you say that Dima.
I wonder if our friend who is searching for it realises that it is most likely not healthy. I will send a note. ::)
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Just noticed Mark has a picture on his site
http://www.snowdropinfo.com/hanning-horror.html
so he may know from whence it can be obtained.
Brian, this is rather "Mycoplasma-Infected Horror"!! ;D ;D ;D
Mycoplasma-Infected,is this the cause of all snowdrops that we class as spikies Dima.
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Just seen that 'Greenish' has reached £19.01 and there are still over 2 days til the end of the auction :o :o :o
I paid £8
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I wish Greenish would increase here, it appears every year but I've had about 5 flowering bulbs for as long as I can remember :(
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Maybe its in the Reluctant Grower category along with Boyds Double and The Bride....
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yet again my Ivy Cottage/Croft Green Tips have no green tips. What about yours?
Mark
Here's mine.
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Maybe its in the Reluctant Grower category along with Boyds Double and The Bride....
saw a big clump at Cliff Curtis's garden last year, looked lovely, might have to risk moving it again.
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Maybe its in the Reluctant Grower category along with Boyds Double and The Bride....
Wouldn't that tend to increase its price?
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Brian, this is rather "Mycoplasma-Infected Horror"!! ;D ;D ;D
Dimitri I think it is just plain Horror ;)
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Searching for Galanthus Hanning's Horror!
Hello fellow forum members. For a desperately seeking garden friend I am searching for Galanthus Hanning's Horror. Does anyone know a source who sells this snowdrop?
Thank you for your help.
Cheers,
So, does anyone know of a source for 'Hanning's Horror', please?
Sorry for not answering earlier, Maggi. I'm afraid I don't grow 'Hanning Horror' and don't like the sound of it - nor the sight of it.
Sorry I can't help. Paddy
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Thanks Paddy.
Not my cup of tea, for sure.... but a friend would like to have it so I'm asking the question! :)
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There's no accounting for taste.
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Galanthus elwesii in my front garden. All have two marks - sometimes merging into one mark.
Excellent plants and strong growing
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It's hard to beat "Excellent plants and strong growing." They look good as well .
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if only mine looked like that. I'll check all when they are fully open
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I wish Greenish would increase here, it appears every year but I've had about 5 flowering bulbs for as long as I can remember :(
That's surprising Richard. It increases at a rate of knots here. I've given many away and still have over a dozen flowers (Which is the kind of clump I like here - My garden is very small so I can't have the wonderful drifts of drops that others have space for :'( ).
Perhaps they like the summer watering I do for my jungle garden?
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yet again my Ivy Cottage/Croft Green Tips have no green tips. What about yours?
Mark
Here's mine.
That's definitely different from my clone Steve - it you fancy swapping one of your 'Ivy Cottage Green Tips' for one of mine sometime please let me know.
Mine has green tips most of the time but they are a lot more subtle. :D It would be great to compare them side to side.
EDIT: - pics of mine last year here HERE (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?topic=6443.msg182337#msg182337)
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Perhaps they like the summer watering I do for my jungle garden?
I reckon that's it John, it explains why mine are so slow to increase too.
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Back 2 pages (OK, I went to make a cup of tea....) - Jennie, just to clear up a point, were your bulbs in lattice pots free standing or plunged?
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I wish Greenish would increase here, it appears every year but I've had about 5 flowering bulbs for as long as I can remember :(
That's surprising Richard. It increases at a rate of knots here. I've given many away and still have over a dozen flowers (Which is the kind of clump I like here - My garden is very small so I can't have the wonderful drifts of drops that others have space for :'( ).
Perhaps they like the summer watering I do for my jungle garden?
will try moving them and trying some in different spots and soils, are yours plunged in a soil mix in lattice pots? they might just not like the clay here.
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are yours plunged in a soil mix in lattice pots? they might just not like the clay here.
They are Richard. :)
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Really like the subtle green tips.
If you ever have any spares again John, I would be interested in purchasing one or two.
That's surprising Richard. It increases at a rate of knots here. I've given many away and still have over a dozen flowers (Which is the kind of clump I like here - My garden is very small so I can't have the wonderful drifts of drops that others have space for :'( ).
Perhaps they like the summer watering I do for my jungle garden?
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Galanthus elwesii in my front garden. All have two marks - sometimes merging into one mark.
Excellent plants and strong growing
I will drive that way and take a peek out my window next week Art when I am on the way to the Co-op :)
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Back 2 pages (OK, I went to make a cup of tea....) - Jennie, just to clear up a point, were your bulbs in lattice pots free standing or plunged?
Anne - they are in lattice pots free standing as they will be plunged into a new bed when I get it made. Does this make a difference?
Also thanks to everyone who answered my question on watering. I will go by the little and often rule and not let the soil totally dry out. Some of the lattice pots that were free standing in the shade under trees in the woodlands this summer dried out so much they just disappeared :'( 'Hobsons Choice' was just little totally dried bulbs but I planted them anyway incase they come back to life.
I have had nivalis in pots outside for years and they get no special attention.....at all.....and they just keep going and multiplying. If only they were all so easy.
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I wonder if anyone can tell me if Scilla mischtschenkoana attract Narcissus Fly as I bought 100 bulbs to put among my snowdrops for impact while the drops fill out. It has now dawned on me that they may actually attract the NF?? I am trying to plant all new snowdrops as far away from Narcissus as possible so do not want to plant something that will attract them ???
I have temporarily put the Scilla in long window boxes until I find out.
many thanks - its a nice mild Saturday here and I am off to the garden to find nice things happening I hope.
Jennie
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its a nice mild Saturday here and I am off to the garden to find nice things happening I hope
You are lucky Jennie,everywhere still solid and white with frost here,all drops flat on the ground
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they are in lattice pots free standing as they will be plunged into a new bed when I get it made. Does this make a difference?
yes a lot, free standing lattice pots will dry out fast so you'll need to increase the watering.
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Me again
I have a question for those that grow snowdrops in pots...if I may?
Today I got a lovely delivery from one of my orders and I had to pot them up whilst waiting to finish another small raised bed in the woodlands. I made my mix from John Innes 2, potting grit and a touch of peat. I carefully put the bulb on a layer of sharp sand and grit with a little gritty compost around the bulb. I gently watered them in and placed them in my net polytunnel for now.
My question is really - watering? I tend to panic with bulbs in pots and let them get far too dry. Once potted -how moist should the soil be? I have just taken a few lattice pots from the tunnel and the soil was like dust and the flowers were much smaller and shorter than they should be - they were dehydrated. I am used to planting them directly in the ground.
I know just how much water to give any other type of plant but am nervy when it comes to bulbs. Any advice gratefully accepted.
thanks
Possibly my answer is not too helpful because our climate is different here in the mid-Atlantic US, but I have grown thousands of snowdrops in pots over the last 20 years. I started out potting them in compost/peat based potting soil mix and recently switched to using just a bark mix. I haven't noticed any difference but am still experimenting. I put them in pots in October, cover them with 4 to 6" of ground leaves, and store them outside in a shady area between my house and garage. I water them when I pot them but not after that. They thrive even if we get lots of rain, which we often do in the fall. I uncover them when the snow (if we have it) disappears in February sometime. That being said I get all my rarer snowdrops in the spring in the green and I plant them directly into the ground. Every single one has thrived and flowered the following year. I hope some of this is useful.
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its a nice mild Saturday here and I am off to the garden to find nice things happening I hope
You are lucky Jennie,everywhere still solid and white with frost here,all drops flat on the ground
Charles - We have had a couple of cold days well below freezing and a night of -9c. Thursday night we had a raging blizzard but only got about 3 inches of heavy wet snow which quickly melted when the temp Friday rose to +11 with very dense fog. Cambridge was at long last flat on the ground from the cold. I just looked out the window and it is standing straight up again. However that may change as we will have a high and low of -10c tomorrow and snowless. I find this quite astounding.
johnw
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Carolyn - Welcome to the Forum!
Are you seeing any signs of Stag in your pot grown snowdrops? And is the narcissus bulb fly present where you live?
I have lightened my mix with oak compost and shredded oak leaves this past autumn. Crowded snowdrops in pots were susceptible to stag in my previous mixes - Diggory, Heffalump and Hill Poe recent victims. The same happened some years ago to congested Rosemary Burnham - I was down to one lone bulb; with frequent repotting she is multiplying like mad now.
My partner grows hundreds of pots of straight nivalis in Promix BX and has none of my problems!
johnw
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My partner grows hundreds of pots of straight nivalis in Promix BX and has none of my problems!
johnw
Hmmmm.... often a clue you know, John....... ::)
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A few varieties that have been flowering in the past few weeks.
Galanthus 'Fieldgate Prelude'
Galanthus 'Lapwing'
Galanthus 'Diggory'
Galanthus 'Trumps'
Galanthus 'Spindlestone Surprise'
The weather here has been very mild here. We only had our first frost of 2012 last night! This year I don't seem to have had any losses, last year quite a few of my bulbs where attacked by botrytis.
Jane
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Hmmmm.... often a clue you know, John....... ::)
Unthinkable!
johnw
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Nice clumps Jane. Especially nice patch of trumps.
johnw
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Jennie, all bulbs in the Amarylidaceae family can be eaten by Narcissus fly and it doesnt matter if you have Narcissus or not in the garden
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Carolyn - Welcome to the Forum!
Are you seeing any signs of Stag in your pot grown snowdrops? And is the narcissus bulb fly present where you live?
I have lightened my mix with oak compost and shredded oak leaves this past autumn. Crowded snowdrops in pots were susceptible to stag in my previous mixes - Diggory, Heffalump and Hill Poe recent victims. The same happened some years ago to congested Rosemary Burnham - I was down to one lone bulb; with frequent repotting she is multiplying like mad now.
My partner grows hundreds of pots of straight nivalis in Promix BX and has none of my problems!
johnw
John, Thanks for the welcome. I have never had any problem with pests or diseases on my snowdrops. I didn't even know what stag was, and I had to look it up in the snowdrop bible. Now that I have read about it, I hope I never do find out what it is. I know that narcissus bulb fly is over here in people's gardens but not in mine so far. Some of my original 'Potter's Prelude' plants were in a very shady place behind a peony and have slowly disappeared, but I think that is because of the site. Very healthy clumps are thriving right in front of the peony.
I grow the snowdrops in pots to sell at my nursery and mail order in the spring so they are only in the pots from October to March at the latest. My personal collection is in the ground. ProMix BX is what I mix with the compost with 4 to 5 parts compost and one part ProMix. I have never had problems with disease or anything else in the pots.
I do not grow any what I would call really picky snowdrops that require any special care. I also think that climate differences between here and the UK make growing considerations different. For example, I think our climate makes acquiring snowdrops in the green in spring very easy and productive (personally I think it is preferable)---as I said before, every single plant thrives---whereas I understand this is not the case in the UK because there is such an outcry against it.
Hope that helps. Carolyn
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Jennie, all bulbs in the Amarylidaceae family can be eaten by Narcissus fly and it doesnt matter if you have Narcissus or not in the garden
Thanks Mark - I may as well just plant the Scilla and see what happens. What a pest that fly is.
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its a nice mild Saturday here and I am off to the garden to find nice things happening I hope
You are lucky Jennie,everywhere still solid and white with frost here,all drops flat on the ground
Chas, I spoke too soon! As the day wore on it got colder and colder and by dark the ground was frozen. My snowdrops in lattice pots in the poly tunnel were also frozen solid - not good.
For Christmas I got a torch that goes on your head and I christened it tonight and was running around the garden bringing in frozen pots of tender plants. Great gift and very bright light - not very flattering though :)
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Carolyn - You are one lucky Galanthus grower!
I think the cooler and wetter climate here in coastal Nova Scotia is part of the problem (think Scotland - few patio nights here!), especially for those snowdrops that like a drier summer rest. The Galanthus nivalis in gardens about sailed through this past abysmally cool and wet summer - think Scotland. I really should concentrate on that species and its selected forms. I am ordering seed from Jelitto again as I have had great success with them.
BTW I much prefer planting and trading bulbs dug whilst dormant. Snowdrops in the green give me the creeps. :o We are elated that Colesbourne has decided once again to start shipping excellent dormant bulbs to Canada.
johnw - -4c at 22.15 and a bitter 48 hours are predicted.
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As the day wore on it got colder and colder and by dark the ground was frozen. My snowdrops in lattice pots in the poly tunnel were also frozen solid - not good.
For Christmas I got a torch that goes on your head and I christened it tonight and was running around the garden bringing in frozen pots of tender plants. Great gift and very bright light - not very flattering though :)
Jennie - Why not sink your pots in woodchips in a frame within your tunnel? Our pots freeze solid from January to March but the chip insulation prevents damage. And this is Canada! We seal the frames shut with white plastic in mid to late December and remove it in mid March. By Monday night I'm sure all ours will be frozen stiff.
I have posted this shot before.
johnw
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Just to remind how the snowdrops look fantastic naturally in the wild ;D, when growers don't want some exclusive forms from their plant nature; but it happens not rarely they could acquire some malaise both in wild and in gardens. I put here G. woronowii normal flwrs from my last year spring tour into the W Transcaucasia and also some Horror plants from there and one more unhappy plant of G. nivalis I named Chuguyster find in our BG. So, what do you choose to really grow?? ;D :P ??? ::)
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Nice pics Dimitri. I remember the last time you showed 'Chuguyster' (2 or 3 years ago?) - my kind of weirdness ;D . Does it do the same every year?
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Nice pics Dimitri. I remember the last time you showed 'Chuguyster' (2 or 3 years ago?) - my kind of weirdness ;D . Does it do the same every year?
thanks, John! yes. it is like this all years that it grows at me and in our BG
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As a follow-on to Dima's question "So, what do you choose to really grow?? " I will add this..would you want a kitten with three eyes or five legs?
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I'd be surprised if the answer were yes.... so what is the attraction of these deformed flowers?
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As a follow-on to Dima's question "So, what do you choose to really grow?? " I will add this..would you want a kitten with three eyes or five legs?
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I'd be surprised if the answer were yes.... so what is the attraction of these deformed flowers?
SUPER!!! Exactly, Maggi!!!!!!
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Big money on ebay would be my guess Maggi
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And i would give the spikey woronowii a home says Mark freezing while out bird watching
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..would you want a kitten with three eyes or five legs?
The poor thing - I would find it a loving home. ;)
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Trying to post some pics for the first time today.
Nothing special, just a few pics I took last week.
1 Mrs Macnamara
2 Mrs Macnamara
3 Group of Gal Ikariae
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Trying to post some pics for the first time today.
Nothing special, just a few pics I took last week.
1 Mrs Macnamara
2 Mrs Macnamara
3 Group of Gal Ikariae
Rick, it is nice to see your pics. Posting them is quite easy really, isn't it? 8) Everyone should give it a try!! ;D
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so what is the attraction of these deformed flowers?
Rather similar to the attraction of grasses, I would have thought. In neither case do you get pretty-coloured flowers, but the effect can still be quite striking.
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Sounds like I may be wasting my time trying to breed better classic snowdrops with perfect shape, substance and stance. :-\
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Sounds like I may be wasting my time trying to breed better classic snowdrops with perfect shape, substance and stance. :-\
Not at all Martin,i love the the spikies but there's nothing like seeing a large perfect flower, Mrs Macnamara for example.
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..would you want a kitten with three eyes or five legs?
The poor thing - I would find it a loving home. ;)
Dimitri hasn't thrown his three-eyed cat out the door just yet. ;)
johnw
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Sounds like I may be wasting my time trying to breed better classic snowdrops with perfect shape, substance and stance. :-\
I with you, really don't see the appeal of spikeys, I have a few odd ones but I still prefer a snowdrop to look like the classic single snowdrop shape, not that keen on doubles, only exception is Blewbury Tart which I do think is beautiful in it's own way.
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Sounds like I may be wasting my time trying to breed better classic snowdrops with perfect shape, substance and stance. :-\
Martin - Everyone wants big, lusty, healthy snowdrops that will increase into the drifts of our dreams. It's only a few odd folks like some of us that want the spikeys. Keep up the good work.
johnw
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I think the cooler and wetter climate here in coastal Nova Scotia is part of the problem (think Scotland - few patio nights here!), especially for those snowdrops that like a drier summer rest.
BTW I much prefer planting and trading bulbs dug whilst dormant. Snowdrops in the green give me the creeps. :o We are elated that Colesbourne has decided once again to start shipping excellent dormant bulbs to Canada.
johnw
I hope you didn't think I would presume to give an experienced gardener advice on how to grow and trade snowdrops in a totally different climate--we can't sit on our patios in summer because it's too hot--I was just explaining what had worked for me for 20 years. I thought you and Jennie might be interested in a photo of my snowdrops in pots in my overwintering area waiting for my customers this spring.
I looked at the Colesbourne catalogue a while ago and it said no mail order. Has something changed? Can snowdrops be sent to Canada from the UK?
Carolyn
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G. elwesii on November 20. I have been planting hundreds of dried G. elwesii bulbs for a number of years and they bloom from November to March.
I meant to remark on this earlier but that is the same season as in England. G. elwesii that flower in November are quite rare, December-flowering less so, and so on with the peak flowering month being February, then a sharp drop-off into March. It's worth devoting a bit of TLC to the ones that flower early in order to bulk them up.
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Id give the spikes and the 3 eyed , 5 legged cat a home.....provided the cat doesn't poop on the snowdrop beds :D
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Webster I'd say your ikariae is woronowii. All ikariae I have seen have a mark that covers at least half of the inner
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Sounds like I may be wasting my time trying to breed better classic snowdrops with perfect shape, substance and stance. :-\
Martin please make time to take and show us photos of what you are doing with your snowdrops
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I hope you didn't think I would presume to give an experienced gardener advice on how to grow and trade snowdrops in a totally different climate--we can't sit on our patios in summer because it's too hot-I looked at the Colesbourne catalogue a while ago and it said no mail order. Has something changed? Can snowdrops be sent to Canada from the UK?Carolyn
Not at all Carolyn, very happy to have your input. We can only give advice based on our own experience and hope it helps someone else in some way. There are people just a few blocks away from me that grow plants I can't keep going. Crocosmia 'Lucifer' is a case in point. She can't grow C. paniculatum that persisted here for years and I can't grow Lucifer which is a weed for many here. Such is the bewildering world of gardening.
Looks like our winter treatments are similar.
Colebourne only does one order to Canada and the few snowdrop nuts in the country pool our orders to meet the very sizeable minimum order. So it doesn't surprise me the site says no mail orders. I guess they had shipments to the USA returned several years ago, hence the halt to shipping.
johnw - a little heat right now would be welcome, the thermometer is stuck at 16F and Cambridge is flat on the ground.
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Id give the spikes and the 3 eyed , 5 legged cat a home.....provided the cat doesn't poop on the snowdrop beds :D
Emma, you're a soft touch... and you KNOW that cat would do exactly that! ::) :)
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..would you want a kitten with three eyes or five legs?
The poor thing - I would find it a loving home. ;)
Dimitri hasn't thrown his three-eyed cat out the door just yet. ;)
johnw
yep, John, I can't))) it was just replanted in the far far far snowdropless corner of my garden for further analytic executions))))
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Id give the spikes and the 3 eyed , 5 legged cat a home.....provided the cat doesn't poop on the snowdrop beds :D
Emma, you're a soft touch... and you KNOW that cat would do exactly that! ::) :)
True, better a five-legged dog.
johnw
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"in my garden for further analytic executions"
Good one Dimitri, I must remember this. ;)
johnw
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Thanks JohnW in Canada for your idea on plunging the pots in bark chippings. I spent today sorting them all out into various receptacles - very large tree pots, big window boxes and crates. I half filled them with bark added a layer of sharp grit and then filled in around the pots with more bark and finished the top with high grade pine bark chippings that I use in my potting mix. They are now standing under the shade of a tree partially plunged in the ground and surrounded with more bark. If that don't work....at least I have tried. I have attached some photos. Apparently the weather is warming up again now ???
Caroline - Are your pots plunged in sand with leaves on top or are they totally in leaves? They certainly look snug :) I have a brick coldframe similar to that with various neglected plants in. I could be using that frame for snowdrops - will have to have a sort out.
Thanks for the ideas.....
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Jennie - Given your mild dampish winters and low sunlight you might want to keep an eye on the surface mulching and keep it to a bare minimum. We really should have removed the surface mulch as shown in my photo soon after taking the plastic off the frames to prevent any fungal attacks on the stems. By January with our cold we can be quite certain nothing is growing until mid March. Just a thought.
You would not be pleased to be here today. In fact I am not pleased to be here today. It is now about 15F at 4pm.
johnw
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John - if our weather warms up I will take off lots of the top mulch. Infact I hope to plant them soon as I am not happy with the drainage holes in those cheap window boxes - if it rains they could get waterlogged! 15F is very cold indeed - no wonder your snowdrops stay underground till March.
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Caroline - Are your pots plunged in sand with leaves on top or are they totally in leaves? They certainly look snug :) I have a brick coldframe similar to that with various neglected plants in. I could be using that frame for snowdrops - will have to have a sort out.
My pots are sitting on the ground, lined up with no space between them and then covered with ground leaves on the top and exposed sides. It gets much colder here than where you are and the cold is not a problem even in the most frigid winters, however, there may be other considerations with your climate.
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G. elwesii on November 20. I have been planting hundreds of dried G. elwesii bulbs for a number of years and they bloom from November to March.
I meant to remark on this earlier but that is the same season as in England. G. elwesii that flower in November are quite rare, December-flowering less so, and so on with the peak flowering month being February, then a sharp drop-off into March. It's worth devoting a bit of TLC to the ones that flower early in order to bulk them up.
Actually of all the G. elwesii I have planted quite a few bloom in the fall. I keep meaning to separate them and give them the TLC you recommend. Maybe next year.
The three photos below are of a snowdrop given to a friend by a landscape designer who got it from one of here customers (i.e., it could have a name but it's lost). It blooms here at the end of November so I am thinking it is a G. elwesii. The X looks much more distinct than other cultivars that I have seen. Does anyone know what it is? Carolyn
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Caroline - what a beauty. That is a gorgeous healthy clump. You are so lucky not to suffer from all the problems we seem to get over here. I would love to plant my bulbs in the ground and know I will see them next year.
I am sure someone with more knowledge than myself can help you more with identification.
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yes it's G. elwesii
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It blooms here at the end of November so I am thinking it is a G. elwesii. The X looks much more distinct than other cultivars that I have seen. Does anyone know what it is?
Most of the early flowering elwesii (and it is an elwesii) have a rather uninteresting mark that is confined to the apex of the inner petal. The exception I can think of is "Peter Gatehouse" and your snowdrop is not that one but it does have a large nicely-shaped mark so I would say it is well worth looking after.
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Very good X-mark and very good shape for an elwesii flowering before Christmas, Carolyn. And an impressive clump!
Here impressions from my garden this weekend with bright sunshine but frost in the shade:
Galanthus 'Bess'
Galanthus 'Ding Dong'
Galanthus 'Sir Herbert Maxwell'
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Lovely Thomas - all we need now is a little sun to open them up :) I love your photo of Sir Herbert Maxwell with all the beautiful colours and textures of different leaves as a backdrop. Very nice.
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I put here G. woronowii normal flwrs from my last year spring tour into the W Transcaucasia and also some Horror plants from there and one more unhappy plant of G. nivalis I named Chuguyster find in our BG. So, what do you choose to really grow?? ;D :P ??? ::)
Beautiful photos from the wild Dimitri. The photo with woronowii and Cyclamen is breathtaking - what a wonderful sight to see in nature.
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A very nice find Carolyn. Do the leaves advance very far before the onset of winter and if so do they weather well?
johnw -11c at 22:00
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It looks good Carolyn. Reminds me of the mark on 'Maidwell L' and 'X-Files'. But the X on your find seem even more distinct. :)
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Exam Q1.
January 2011 - following snow and prolonged cold; on 7 January 2011, 75% of my snowdrops were "up".
January 2012 - unseasonably warm weather; newspapers and Scottish Rock threads all reporting how far advanced the growing and flowering season supposedly is; on 11 January 2012 75% of my snowdrops were "up".
Discuss.
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Just had a roll call here Steve and I have just 66.8% up at the moment, many of them just putting there noses through (which in this bitter cold is a little silly).
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Carolyn I prefer your Elwesii to X files, and what a super and healthy looking group you have.
I hope this one continues to do well for you.
Early Elwesii do well naturalized in Grass in my Garden and I love the large leaves that last a long time and the large size of the plants.
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Carolyn I prefer your Elwesii to X files
It is a super mark isn't it. 8)
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Actually of all the G. elwesii I have planted quite a few bloom in the fall. I keep meaning to separate them and give them the TLC you recommend. Maybe next year.
The three photos below are of a snowdrop given to a friend by a landscape designer who got it from one of here customers (i.e., it could have a name but it's lost). It blooms here at the end of November so I am thinking it is a G. elwesii. The X looks much more distinct than other cultivars that I have seen. Does anyone know what it is? Carolyn
A smart 'drop, Carolyn.... the mark is good and 'firmly painted' ( nothing wishy-washy!) and I do like a that sort of fat ovary :) The overall effect is of solid elegance!
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Carolyn I prefer your Elwesii to X files, and what a super and healthy looking group you have.
I hope this one continues to do well for you.
Since I got all this positive feedback, I have been looking at even more photos on the web and, you are right, the X on this snowdrop is the clearest I could find. However, I am sad to report (as I thought I mentioned originally) that I don't own those gorgeous clumps. I am going to swap with the person who does own them though. It appears that the person who originally owned this snowdrop (not the current owner) purchased it with a name, but she died quite a while ago and the name went with her. If anyone comes across a named cultivar that looks like this please let me know because it would make snowdrop-deprived American galanthophiles very happy.
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Yes, Carolyn, you did mention that this was a drop you hoped to make a swap for. I'd say go for it!! 8)
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Carolyn - Your elwesii's marking looks a bit like a compressed "Walker Canada" - of which no one in Canada knows anything about. The ovary is entirely ddifferent - too elongated. Brian - What say you? Any thoughts and is WC a Hiemalis?
johnw
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Yes John the mark is similar to 'Walker, Canada' but that has plicate leaves. It certainly has a great mark Carolyn...I take it 'Walker, Canada' isn't anything to do with you :)
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Yes John the mark is similar to 'Walker, Canada' but that has plicate leaves. It certainly has a great mark Carolyn...I take it 'Walker, Canada' isn't anything to do with you :)
Brian - Is Walker Canada a plicatus or plicatus hybrid? I had it recorded as an elwesii in my notes. If so it would be the first non-elwesii from Canada unless Carolyn is connected. Never even thought of the Walker connection. ::)
johnw
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Lost label and snowdrop from Avon's summer list 2011 which I no longer have
Can anyone help me with a lost label snowdrop? elwesii or elwesii hybrid. 3 outers and 5 or 6 inners bought as dormant bulbs from Avon. I dont have Godfrey Owen.
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Mark - I have the 2011 dormant list on my old computer if it would help jog your memory?
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Nathalie Garton, a good choice Mark!
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Brian - Is Walker Canada a plicatus or plicatus hybrid?
John Morley describes it in his catalogue as G.plicatus other than that I do not know, I am afraid it is in that great snowdrop bed in the sky :'(
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Brian - Is Walker Canada a plicatus or plicatus hybrid?
John Morley describes it in his catalogue as G.plicatus other than that I do not know, I am afraid it is in that great snowdrop bed in the sky :'(
It's not on it's own Brian, that's for sure.
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Thanks Gerard. You might be correct
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G. elwesii on November 20. I have been planting hundreds of dried G. elwesii bulbs for a number of years and they bloom from November to March.
I meant to remark on this earlier but that is the same season as in England. G. elwesii that flower in November are quite rare, December-flowering less so, and so on with the peak flowering month being February, then a sharp drop-off into March. It's worth devoting a bit of TLC to the ones that flower early in order to bulk them up.
Actually of all the G. elwesii I have planted quite a few bloom in the fall. I keep meaning to separate them and give them the TLC you recommend. Maybe next year.
The three photos below are of a snowdrop given to a friend by a landscape designer who got it from one of here customers (i.e., it could have a name but it's lost). It blooms here at the end of November so I am thinking it is a G. elwesii. The X looks much more distinct than other cultivars that I have seen. Does anyone know what it is? Carolyn
Freds Giant maybe
edit by maggi to pull answer out of quote box
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Faringdon double maybe ? should be past flowering by now
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A kind lurker, hello and thanks, sent me a list of what I bought ...
St Pancras, Sentinel, Mrs Macnamara, Melanie Broughton, Gerard Parker, George Elwes, Faringdon Double and Epiphany
The inner mark says Faringdon Double
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A very nice find Carolyn. Do the leaves advance very far before the onset of winter and if so do they weather well?
johnw -11c at 22:00
The owner really doesn't remember much about the leaves except that the photos she sent me (and I posted here) were taken Feb. 28, 2004. I asked her to take some now. Carolyn
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Yes John the mark is similar to 'Walker, Canada' but that has plicate leaves. It certainly has a great mark Carolyn...I take it 'Walker, Canada' isn't anything to do with you :)
That really had me laughing...if only. Mine would be called 'Walker US' though. There is a very nice photo of 'Walker Canada' here: http://www.floralook.com/en/no_cache/home/photo/galanthus-walker-canada-1/?search_on=1. The mark is the most similar I have found (now I am getting compulsive), but definitely very different leaves and ovary, different species.
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The three photos below are of a snowdrop given to a friend .....It blooms here at the end of November so I am thinking it is a G. elwesii. The X looks much more distinct than other cultivars that I have seen. Does anyone know what it is? Carolyn
... the photos she sent me (and I posted here) were taken Feb. 28, 2004. I asked her to take some now. Carolyn
Now I am getting thoroughly confused. No snowdrop in the one locale flowers from the end of November to the 28th February in the UK. The only way this could possibly happen is if there were a spell of very cold weather during almost all the intervening period.
By the way, "Walker Canada" is a G. plicatus, judging from its photograph.
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Yes John the mark is similar to 'Walker, Canada' but that has plicate leaves. It certainly has a great mark Carolyn...I take it 'Walker, Canada' isn't anything to do with you :)
That really had me laughing...if only. Mine would be called 'Walker US' though. There is a very nice photo of 'Walker Canada' here: http://www.floralook.com/en/no_cache/home/photo/galanthus-walker-canada-1/?search_on=1. The mark is the most similar I have found (now I am getting compulsive), but definitely very different leaves and ovary, different species.
Glad to have tickled your tonsils Carolyn, it could have been a relation ;) As you say the mark is very similar, and the photo link confirms John Morley's description.
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Brian
re: Walker Canada
So I have changed my notes to plicatus (or hybrid).
As I recall the original label in the UK said only "Walker Canada". So we do not know if Walker was a seed collector, a snowdrop collector, a grower or a hybridizer or even a Canadian. It's only surmised that the snowdrop may have come from Canada. I searched the maps of Roumania, Crimea, Northern Turkey to see if I could see an area with a name close to Canada - to no avail - in case it was a seed collection and blurry writing. Is that your understanding from Morley?
No one in Canada I have contacted knows of ___ Walker or has this snowdrop.
johnw
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I've sent you a PM John with my notes.
The history of this snowdrop is quite mysterious apart from the fact that it was growing in Richard Nutt's garden near a label which was faded but looked as though it said 'Walker Canada'
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Has anyone received their Avon snowdrops?
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Are they heavily scented Arthur?ding dong ;D ;D
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:)
I'll take that as a NO
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No Avon snowdrops have arrived here yet, Arthur.
Paddy
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Nor here Arthur. Hope they don't arrive yet - I need to order more lattice pots
Jennie
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I visited Avon Bulbs last week to collect my order as it is only 15 miles from my home .
Alan Street showed me the snowdrop frames where all your lovely snowdrops will be selected from........they looked spectacular all in flower in the sunshine & very healthy.
Poor chap is quite anxious that the majority of his plants will be over by the time he's due to exhibit at the RHS London Halls.
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I visited Avon Bulbs last week to collect my order as it is only 15 miles from my home .
Alan Street showed me the snowdrop frames where all your lovely snowdrops will be selected from........they looked spectacular all in flower in the sunshine & very healthy.
Poor chap is quite anxious that the majority of his plants will be over by the time he's due to exhibit at the RHS London Halls.
I can sympathise with his fears in this season. Hope he has enough in good condition to make a fine display. Such a stress factor!
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I visited Avon Bulbs last week to collect my order as it is only 15 miles from my home .
Alan Street showed me the snowdrop frames where all your lovely snowdrops will be selected from........they looked spectacular all in flower in the sunshine & very healthy.
Poor chap is quite anxious that the majority of his plants will be over by the time he's due to exhibit at the RHS London Halls.
I can sympathise with his fears in this season. Hope he has enough in good condition to make a fine display. Such a stress factor!
I was wondering about that with all the snowdrops being so early. It may just be a sea of green leaves ??? I was wondering if they may 'hold them back' somewhere cold or in shadier spots. The show is still such a long way off.
I was thinking today (whilst prodding around looking for June Boardman) that it would be an idea to have an 'obituary' thread at the end of the season so we can all commiserate with each other and try to feel better about our seasonal losses?
Jennie
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So long as it's clear it is the bulbs that are the dear departed, and not the folks the plants were named for! Wouldn't be good to start unhappy rumours of someone's death :o :-X
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The three photos below are of a snowdrop given to a friend .....It blooms here at the end of November so I am thinking it is a G. elwesii. The X looks much more distinct than other cultivars that I have seen. Does anyone know what it is? Carolyn
... the photos she sent me (and I posted here) were taken Feb. 28, 2004. I asked her to take some now. Carolyn
Now I am getting thoroughly confused. No snowdrop in the one locale flowers from the end of November to the 28th February in the UK. The only way this could possibly happen is if there were a spell of very cold weather during almost all the intervening period.
By the way, "Walker Canada" is a G. plicatus, judging from its photograph.
So sorry, I am confused too. She sent the photos with text that said the snowdrop started blooming around Thanksgiving (the end of November). When johnw asked about the leaves I emailed the owner to ask the date of the photos to get an idea of how much of winter the leaves in the photo had gone through. That's when Feb 28 came up and is why I asked the owner to take photos now. Will report back if everyone isn't tired of this subject. I am enjoying my status as the (possible) originator of 'Walker Canada' though.
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I was thinking today that it would be an idea to have an 'obituary' thread at the end of the season so we can all commiserate with each other and try to feel better about our seasonal losses?
Jennie
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Somehow I don't think people will be rushing to front up publicly over their failures.
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I was thinking today that it would be an idea to have an 'obituary' thread at the end of the season so we can all commiserate with each other and try to feel better about our seasonal losses?
Jennie
Somehow I don't think people will be rushing to front up publicly over their failures.
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I don't see why as it is usually down to forces beyond our control - but I see what you mean Steve.
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Well if its any consolation I am prepared to be the first,this years loss seems to be Green Woodpecker from Lallie Cox originally,so if anyone out there has a spare ..........................
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No losses this year ;D.....................................................................................
I must add however that I have only been collecting snowdrops for 4 years. At present I have about 15 different varieties, which has to be considerably less than most of you. ;)
I thought I had lost Wendy's Gold, but it showed itself about two weeks ago.
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Well if its any consolation I am prepared to be the first,this years loss seems to be Green Woodpecker from Lallie Cox originally,so if anyone out there has a spare ..........................
Oh dear Chas that sounds like a rare one to lose - I have not even heard of it before. How did it meet its maker?
I am attaching a few photos of the bed I made in the woodlands last year and a small one I am working on at present.
1. Planning the bed last year and removing ivy and weeds
2. The same bed today - only a few snowdrops flowering at present.
3. A small bed I am working on at present
In the new bed I have one definite loss and a few 'maybes'. The one I have definitely lost is Three Ships which was not in a lattice pot but luckily I bought a second one at RHS show last year and is currently flowering in a pot. Many not showing but I will not panic just yet as we are quite behind in my garden.
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SRGC members and forumists as a whole are very open about both their success and failures. It's one of the reasons why we can learn so much here. :)
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I found the dry husk of what used to be a lovely Washfield Colesbourne today :'( am sure one of the green spiky things I have in the same bed will appear again in rude health, January is too stressful.
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Not sure what has happened Jennie,we do get pheasants and squirrels in the garden,I have had a rootle around where it should be,and no sign of a bulb anywhere
Having problems with the someting eating through the flower stems at the moment,quite a few flower heads laying on the soil
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Something that died / didnt come back the year after getting it is now up with a flower. It arrived soo small - Mary or is it Margaret Biddulph
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I've never been that lucky Mark :'(
Going back to Avon bulb deliveries, they normally deliver February/March time, last year I got mine in March, this year I think they may arrive earlier though!
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It is Margaret Biddulph ,Mark
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THanks Chas. I must write a new label. Mine says M. Biddulph
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Nor here Arthur. Hope they don't arrive yet - I need to order more lattice pots
Jennie
If you would like some pots just call in :) Not Friday am as collecting new car ;D
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THanks Chas. I must write a new label. Mine says M. Biddulph
Margaret is the virescent, Mary 'has quite large flowers that hang beneath a strongly crooked spathe'
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I'll have to look in daylight
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The three photos below are of a snowdrop given to a friend .....It blooms here at the end of November so I am thinking it is a G. elwesii. The X looks much more distinct than other cultivars that I have seen. Does anyone know what it is? Carolyn
... the photos she sent me (and I posted here) were taken Feb. 28, 2004. I asked her to take some now. Carolyn
Now I am getting thoroughly confused. No snowdrop in the one locale flowers from the end of November to the 28th February in the UK. The only way this could possibly happen is if there were a spell of very cold weather during almost all the intervening period.
So sorry, I am confused too. She sent the photos with text that said the snowdrop started blooming around Thanksgiving (the end of November). When johnw asked about the leaves I emailed the owner to ask the date of the photos to get an idea of how much of winter the leaves in the photo had gone through. That's when Feb 28 came up and is why I asked the owner to take photos now. Will report back if everyone isn't tired of this subject.
In answer to Alan's question, the owner is positive that the "X-marked" snowdrop usually starts blooming at the end of November but says that it can continue even into February if there is deep and continuous snow. It just sits under the snow and takes up where it left off when the snow melts. This happened with my G. elwesii during our last two snow-filled winters. Given the size of the patch (see below), I am also wondering if seeding could result in staggered bloom times.
The first photo shows the sheer numbers and the second shows all those Xs---galanthophile heaven!
Carolyn
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Not sure what has happened Jennie,we do get pheasants and squirrels in the garden,I have had a rootle around where it should be,and no sign of a bulb anywhere
Having problems with the someting eating through the flower stems at the moment,quite a few flower heads laying on the soil
am sure that's Pheasants, they do the same here with drops & snakes head fritillary >:(
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In answer to Alan's question, the owner is positive that the "X-marked" snowdrop usually starts blooming at the end of November but says that it can continue even into February if there is deep and continuous snow. It just sits under the snow and takes up where it left off when the snow melts.
That really was the only possible explanation; whereas here in the south east of England there are only one or two years each century when we get deep and continuous snow for such a long period. Just for the record, it would be nice if your friend could find some photos from November, because the November flowering time makes them much more special.
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Carolyn, I love this snowdrop. It looks great in a group, where you can see the mark very clearly. This is a very special one in my eyes. (I am not an expert)
Lina.
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I am enjoying my status as the (possible) originator of 'Walker Canada' though.
Perhaps your friend will call that lovely one 'Walker Pennsylvania' ;D ;D ;D
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Mark - Here is elwesii 'Margaret Biddulph'.
johnw
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Avon Bulbs' snowdrop orders are probably going to be dispatched earlier this year Sean as the plants are so advanced.
Mike
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Thanks John. Checked mine when I got up. It's green.
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I am enjoying my status as the (possible) originator of 'Walker Canada' though.
Perhaps your friend will call that lovely one 'Walker Pennsylvania' ;D ;D ;D
I think I need to hire you as my publicist. Seriously though, this snowdrop could not be named because it is likely it already has a name albeit one that will never be found. This is the very thing that has caused so much confusion among snowdrop cultivars. Isn't that right? What is the protocol in this situation?
Alan, I will pester for photos in November. I am also still wondering if a naturalized population of snowdrops can start blooming at different times due to seeding or whether bloom time is somehow hardwired. Carolyn
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Johnw - That elwesii 'Margaret Biddulph' looks great, anyone seen it available anywhere recently?
A few more pics from a few days ago:
Byfield Special
Edinburgh Ketton
Ermine House
Gerard Parker - slightly concerned about this one, thoughts anyone?
Grey's Child
Ivy Cottage Corporal
Jessica
Kildare
Kite
Long Drop
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Johnw - That elwesii 'Margaret Biddulph' looks great, anyone seen it available anywhere recently?
Hi Torsten
You have some lovely snowdrops there. My Ivy Cottage Corporal looks like it may have disappeared - it was a very small bulb last spring - undersized.
You asked about Margaret Biddulph. It was in the Snowdrop Company catalogue this year for £40 (I know because I ordered it - but this does not mean I will get it) !
If you don't have the catalogue - it is still worth applying now to get one next year (or later this year in November)
Jennie
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Seriously though, this snowdrop could not be named because it is likely it already has a name albeit one that will never be found. This is the very thing that has caused so much confusion among snowdrop cultivars. Isn't that right? What is the protocol in this situation?
Of course you are right Carolyn, it would be quite wrong to name it, the only thing to do is to continue trying to get to the bottom of the mystery. Unfortunately, as with 'Walker Canada' it sometimes just remains a mystery :-\
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Here is a picture of Amy Doncaster take today at the foot of a neighbours fence that is due to be replaced, first year of growth for me so I am delighted to see the flower. I thought I'd better take a picture in case the workman's foot strays in the wrong direction :-\
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Looks in better nick than some of mine (the fence I mean, not Amy) ;) Whoops, not that I don't think Amy is nice too Brian.
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Looks in better nick than some of mine (the fence I mean, not Amy) ;) Whoops, not that I don't think Amy is nice too Brian.
I agree with David... we have fences in much worse condition than that that we have no intention of interfering with in the foreseeable future.
(Mind you, given how often David tells us his fences have blown away, the ones he still has ought to be in reasonable condition, having been fairly recently replaced ?!? ::) )
The prospect of gallumphing feet is a nightmarish thought. It is so rare to get any understanding of the time and effort invested in our plants form outsiders. Good luck!
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It may look in better nick than yours David, but the posts are rotten through and through, the winds of a couple of weeks ago had it over on one of my beds :-[ hence the need for replacement. It was put up at the same time as ours and we are having to do ours too.
I think after some exchange of views during the week the penny has dropped. I have spent a couple of hours taking the wires off the post and attaching the clematis (which are in leaf bud) to some temporary canes, he came out to find out what I was up to and said that he hoped they would not have to step on our flower beds - a massive change of viewpoint for him :D
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Good luck Brian. A few stout rebars driven in the ground might solve the problem. By the way Amy is a beauty.
johnw
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Here is a picture of Amy Doncaster take today
wolf whistle! When I went to repot mine the bulb had become a fine brown compost.
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Many open on the coldest day of the year. The Whittallii is the biggest and tallest at the moment, second only to elwesii Alanja Yayla which has yet to flower - it's a brute.
johnw
x valentinei Compton Court DSCF6017
Whittallii DSCF6023
Trym imposter DSCF6018
Lavinia DSCF6009
Lapwing DSCF6010
Lady Beatrix Stanley DSCF6011
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And more:
johnw
John Gray DSCF6008
Headbourne DSCF6012
Hans Guck in die Luft DSCF6004
elwesii Whittallii DSCF6001
elwesii Rosemary Burnham DSCF6015
Ding Dong DSCF6006
Benton Magnet DSCF6013
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A fine collection John and all looking good.
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I've edited your posts to add the file names for the search facility, John.
Can't believe you have so many out already... or that they are prepared to open so wide now.
'Hans Guck in die Luft' is really sweet.
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I've edited your posts to add the file names for the search facility, John.
Can't believe you have so many out already... or that they are prepared to open so wide now.
'Hans Guck in die Luft' is really sweet.
Thanks for that Maggi. The sun is getting mighty powerful here, the temp shoots up in the greenhouse at this time of year. It's very difficult to control it especially when it is bitterly cold outside.. Funny - really not so funny - it has no effect at all on the outside air temperature. -12c last night and -6c at 16:00. A cold night predicted with rain on Tuesday - madness.
johnw
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I had such a good day today; I went to see a superb collection of snowdrops and although I was sworn to secrecy about exactly what I saw there, I am allowed to make an exception over a snowdrop called "Green Hornet". This was a snowdrop I found myself in 2005. It is a cousin to "Green Light" in that I found it in very much the same location, it has the same basic features of being a nivalis-like snowdrop but with bright green leaves and green marks near the tip of the outers. But it has a longer ovary, particularly as the flower matures, and a happy tendency to produce two scapes, the flower on the second scape emerging without the protection of a pedicel.
This grew well in my garden and in 2008 I donated a significant percentage of my small stock to Anglesey Abbey. Unfortunately it was planted close to the bulbs that came down with stag. in 2008, my attempts to rescue it came too late and it succumbed after the following season so I no longer had any in my garden. When I last saw it at Anglesey Abbey they appeared to have a solitary bulb and thus I feared it was in terminal decline.
So, imagine my joy to find that the collector I was visiting had been helping Anglesey Abbey by twin-scaling some of their stock, had traded for some others and had two pots of "Green Hornet" in flower. She very kindly promised me a bulb or two at the end of the season but my main pleasure was in finding it had survived and appeared to be thriving. Once again the dictum: "If you want to keep a plant, give it away" is proven to be true.
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Nice pictures Torsten - I do have a soft spot for ones with green on the outers.
Brian - the fence looks fine - my dad could keep patching that up for years more! 'Amy Doncaster' is looking lovely - maybe put a hanging basket cage over her for protection while the work is being done?
John - 'Rosemary Burnham' - beautiful. I think mine might be no more..... :-(
Alan - lovely story. I was always taught to give away plants that you want to keep too.
A picture from yesterday showing Alan's 'Green Light' growing here.
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Good old "Green Light". In February 2009 I created 3 pots of Green Light shown at the bottom of the photograph. John received the bulb from one of the two smaller pots in 2010, another forumist had the other small pot in 2009 (both were swapped for other snowdrops) and I kept the large one. It was translocated to John in February 2010 and, despite all the trauma of being moved around in the green, it has increased to produce 5 flowers in 2012.
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JohnW, Alan, JohnF you bring spring feeling in our gloomy world.
Here we have no light and sun, so our drops don`t like to open.
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But still beuatiful, Hagen, and the English name of snowdrops best applies when the flowers are closed.
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I was quite surprised to see this on G. elwesii "Yvonne Hay" on January 22 nd !! :D :D
Temperature rose to 10°C !
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Just for you Hagen.
'Anglesey Abbey' in yesterdays nice weather.
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Danke John ;)
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Brian, I think an electric fence and dobermans are in order..
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For Hagen,
G. 'Anglesey Abbey' yesterday.
Paddy
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And, for John W. Still surviving: G. 'Rosemary Burnham'
Paddy
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And for Victor Meldrew, G. 'Grumpy'
Paddy
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It certainly is an early season Luc, we haven't got hoverflies here yet but I did have a queen buff tail bumble bee on the same day as your fly, working G. 'Atkinsii' in a sunny border.
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x valentinei Compton Court
how does this differ from "ordinary" x valnetinei?
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I was quite surprised to see this on G. elwesii "Yvonne Hay" on January 22 nd !! :D :D
Temperature rose to 10°C !
Luc,
are you absolutely sure it is not a nacissus fly? ???
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x valentinei Compton Court
how does this differ from "ordinary" x valnetinei?
Probably just the label but maybe Mark or Paddy can comment. ;)
johnw
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And, for John W. Still surviving: G. 'Rosemary Burnham'
Paddy
She's greener in Eire!
johnw
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JohnW, Alan, JohnF you bring spring feeling in our gloomy world.
Here we have no light and sun, so our drops don`t like to open.
A pleasure to bring you spring Hagen but could you send a bit back here - -9c and on its way to 2c today.
johnw
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And, for John W. Still surviving: G. 'Rosemary Burnham'
Paddy
She's greener in Eire!
johnw
Well, of course she is. This is the Emerald Isle after all.
Paddy
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I was quite surprised to see this on G. elwesii "Yvonne Hay" on January 22 nd !! :D :D
Temperature rose to 10°C !
Luc,
are you absolutely sure it is not a narcissus fly? ???
That was my thought, Armin :o
It may seem too early for narcissus fly.... but I think it is too early for lots of the flowers we are seeing... so why can't those pesky narcissus fly be out early as well?
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I was quite surprised to see this on G. elwesii "Yvonne Hay" on January 22 nd !! :D :D
Temperature rose to 10°C !
Luc,
are you absolutely sure it is not a narcissus fly? ???
That was my thought, Armin :o
It may seem too early for narcissus fly.... but I think it is too early for lots of the flowers we are seeing... so why can't those pesky narcissus fly be out early as well?
I'm definitely not a "connaisseur"... :-\ ... I was told (by a belgian Galantophile) it's a hoover fly... also called the "blind bee" out here. ???
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RichardW I think x valnetinei is variable. The one I found stands 14 inches and has an inverted heart on the inner. I dont know the difference between Compton Court and S Arnott
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Mark... you are a great swatter of narcissus fly... could Luc's hover fly be a nasty?
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Mark... you are a great swatter of narcissus fly... could Luc's hover fly be a nasty?
(Looks like something I would get worried about seeing in my garden..... :-\)
I don't know if this is of any help. Valentei is not the sort of thing I can/would give space to in my tiny plot - but here are a couple of photos I took at Kew on Saturday. (But I am wary of the Kew labeling as the first snowdrop I saw there was a pretty little double with the label 'John Gray' ::))
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RichardW I think x valnetinei is variable. The one I found stands 14 inches and has an inverted heart on the inner. I dont know the difference between Compton Court and S Arnott
With me Compton Court would be the one that's alive. I know it may be hard to believe but I have had a nasty time of it trying to get S. Arnott going. I am trying once more and at least they have emerged, we'll see how it does long term.
Mark - I hope your no-shows emerge later, if it was a wet summer that's to blame then we're in very big trouble as well especially with the elwesiis.
johnw
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Gal. x valentinei is just the "official" name for all hybrids between plicatus and nivalis. Putting it in front of a cultivar name simply indicates that this is the cultivar's parentage. I've been growing 'Compton Court' for about hree years now to compare it with 'S. Arnott' and it is fairly distinct (and a nice snowdrop) having a different mark to Arnott and also a quite different scent.
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John, I've also found 'Compton Court' to be quite vigorous, probably more so than Arnott. I think that suggests that C.C. is a newer hybrid while Arnott is getting pretty old now and prone to disease.
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A nice pot of mixed seedlings of G. gracilis. It's short and stout. I got the originals from seed exchange seeds some years ago, and I know you are all going to say it doesn't look like gracilis, but I was told by an eminent botanist that it was. Any other ID ideas welcomed, though.
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I have always had a particular love of woodland gardening ever since my visits to Washfield Nursery years ago (and really always wanted to create a nursery like that, except I don't have the dedication of Elizabeth Strangman, or Graham Gough). So I always think of snowdrops as being part of the woodland plantings and have tried to create drifts of nivalis by 'sowing' seed pods (when they are mature but still firm and green). The little tufts of seedlings flower after 3 years or so and look quite natural. A few named varieties also set seed reliably, one such is 'Gerard Parker', so I have done the same with these and some quite nice variation arises. More special varieties have been planted in discrete groups under the apple trees, mixed with ferns, primroses, epimediums, trilliums and other choice woodlanders which come along later.
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Very nice Tim - wish my woodland section was as good - and as tidy - as yours.
The snowdrops really seem to enjoy their sitings.
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Hello Anne,
your plant look like gracilis:
leaves are applanat - OK
leaves twisted - no - not important
basal and apical mark - OK
the lower edge/fringe of the inner petales looks outside - no - not important
globular flowers - no - not important
The natural area of this species is wide + wide. So it can differ a lot!!
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A nice pot of mixed seedlings of G. gracilis. It's short and stout. I got the originals from seed exchange seeds some years ago, and I know you are all going to say it doesn't look like gracilis, but I was told by an eminent botanist that it was. Any other ID ideas welcomed, though.
They look like broad-leaved gracilis to me, Anne. The crucial test is whether they have applanate leaves (flat against each other) and not wrapped around each other (in which case they'd be elwesii). They look applanate to me though I can't see the leaf bases. Of course whether gracilis and elwesii are actually two separate species or not is another matter.
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Hagen, you beat me with the answer by six seconds ;D
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And a few examples of individual varieties - 'Gerard Parker' is definitely one of the finest forms in the garden, robust, and with softer green markings than most; 'Ivy Cottage Green Tip', a nice short stemmed little plant, just beginning to bulk up; 'Hippolyta', well known and excellent double; and the famous 'Trym'. This is another variety that sets seed well and throws up interesting seedlings (in our case it seems to have crossed with 'Augustus' and produced a Trym with broad green leaves). 'Augustus' itself has thrived under a Medlar and is making a great planting after being divided up a couple of years ago. I have few really special varieties, as prices have reached silly levels, but hope steadily to introduce more distinctive forms into the garden in the next few years.
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thanks for the compton court answers.
sun was just too late to reach the borders today so more from the G/H
recently moved Wendy's Gold looking very dodgy :-\
Green Necklace
Daphne's Scissors
Mighty Atom
Little John
Anglesey Abbey
John Gray
Bill Baker's Early
long pedicel find
John took a photo of my bed of newly planted Mighty Atom chips at last years snowdrop & cake, most now flowering :)
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Wonderful clumps Tim and your 'Trym' is downright lusty. Now I must yank the label from my Gerard Parker which I received years ago as Warham and was later id'ed as GP. When comparing photos from the Forum it seems Paddy's Warham appears to be Gerard Parker!
johnw
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A nice pot of mixed seedlings of G. gracilis. It's short and stout. I got the originals from seed exchange seeds some years ago, and I know you are all going to say it doesn't look like gracilis, but I was told by an eminent botanist that it was. Any other ID ideas welcomed, though.
I particularly like the one dead centre Anne, they have that lovely gracilis flare, may simply be hybrids with a gracilis parent?
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A nice pot of mixed seedlings of G. gracilis. It's short and stout. I got the originals from seed exchange seeds some years ago, and I know you are all going to say it doesn't look like gracilis, but I was told by an eminent botanist that it was. Any other ID ideas welcomed, though.
Nothing cuter than a pot of short stout mixed widgets. 8)
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Wonderful clumps Tim and your 'Trym' is downright lusty. Now I must yank the label from my Gerard Parker which I received years ago as Warham and was later id'ed as GP. When comparing photos from the Forum it seems Paddy's Warham appears to be Gerard Parker!
johnw
Indeed lovely clumps, really like the Ivy cottage green tip.
Wish I had this much space ???
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Martin,
my answer was only faster :)
it was for Anne
and
if we have the same content
it is a good sign for our competence and helpfulness too ;).
Together we did it for AnneW!
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Wonderful clumps Tim and your 'Trym' is downright lusty. Now I must yank the label from my Gerard Parker which I received years ago as Warham and was later id'ed as GP. When comparing photos from the Forum it seems Paddy's Warham appears to be Gerard Parker!
johnw
Tell me more, John.
Paddy
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I was quite surprised to see this on G. elwesii "Yvonne Hay" on January 22 nd !! :D :D
Temperature rose to 10°C !
Luc,
are you absolutely sure it is not a narcissus fly? ???
That was my thought, Armin :o
It may seem too early for narcissus fly.... but I think it is too early for lots of the flowers we are seeing... so why can't those pesky narcissus fly be out early as well?
I'm definitely not a "connaisseur"... :-\ ... I was told (by a belgian Galantophile) it's a hoover fly... also called the "blind bee" out here. ???
Hi Maggi & Luc,
I was trying to fool you a little bit. :D Please forgive me. :-*
Luc is absolutely right with his identification of a 'blinde bij' Eristalis tenax. They appear also in winter times...
Both species look quite similar but a narcissus fly sound is unique. ;)
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Oh, thank goodness for that ::) There is enough to worry about in the garden without early n/flies! :o
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Thanks Armin !
I didn't find a smiley with a sigh of relief... this will have te do !
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Paddy - I may have named the photo incorrectly. Does it look familiar? It was posted 20 January 2009.
johnw
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Luc's insect is a drone fly and nothing like a Narcissus fly which is hairy.
I hope all you eager people aren't killing innocent insects? The Narcissus fly does not come out until snowdrops are going over - May and June in the UK
Tim where are the green tips on your Ivy Cottage Green Tips? My 7 dont have green tips either. The first ICGT I ever say was stunning
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Mark - re: ICGT There's a very slight green mark on the outer on the second one from the left.
johnw
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Here is the one I saw :o
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Just heard there may 3 Green Tear available at the CGS event.
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I'll remortgage the house, Mark.
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Ooooooooooooooooh and my tickets arrived today
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I turn my back for a few minutes and this thread is several pages on! Thank you for your confirmation of ID, gentlemen.
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Lovely seedlings Anne and I have to agree with Brian's choice.
Seedlings from your seed are growing well here. I think they may flower next year with luck. Very exciting.
johnw
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Yes - I had wondered too Mark! The picture you show is a lot more striking. My plant came from Graham Gough, so I imagine is of good provenance. Presumably the green outer markings can vary a lot? I never see much sign on 'Comet' either.
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Paddy - I may have named the photo incorrectly. Does it look familiar? It was posted 20 January 2009.
johnw
Yes, John, that is certainly what I posted. I have looked back on photographs for that date and have that very one there as 'Warham'.
Paddy
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I have always had a particular love of woodland gardening ever since my visits to Washfield Nursery years ago (and really always wanted to create a nursery like that, except I don't have the dedication of Elizabeth Strangman, or Graham Gough). So I always think of snowdrops as being part of the woodland plantings and have tried to create drifts of nivalis by 'sowing' seed pods (when they are mature but still firm and green). The little tufts of seedlings flower after 3 years or so and look quite natural. A few named varieties also set seed reliably, one such is 'Gerard Parker', so I have done the same with these and some quite nice variation arises. More special varieties have been planted in discrete groups under the apple trees, mixed with ferns, primroses, epimediums, trilliums and other choice woodlanders which come along later.
Lovely photos Tim. I too used to love my yearly visits to Washfield Nursery - it was simply magical. I remember seeing a mature clump of 'Magnet' swaying in the breeze there and readily purchased a single bulb. I had never seen anything like it and nivalis was never good enough for me after that :) I only managed three visits to Washfield before the nursery closed but managed to collect many treasures from there which I still have - mainly Hellebores. I bought one single N. Cedric Morris and have now managed to spread it around in semi shade - thankfully I had no knowledge of Narcissus Fly back then so I just planted my snowdrops and forgot about them.....and they have all survived. I can remember Washfield like it was yesterday with the pots all neatly lined out in coldframes full of sand and the huge polytunnels with Hellebores galore. I still find the odd label now and then and have the old catalogues somewhere.
Jennie
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John took a photo of my bed of newly planted Mighty Atom chips at last years snowdrop & cake, most now flowering :)
Richard - lovely pics. You have had great success with your chipping - I remember seeing the bed last year on the snowdrop walk. Looks like almost 100% success....makes me feel tempted to have a go.
Jennie
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I bought one single N. Cedric Morris and have now managed to spread it around in semi shade - thankfully I had no knowledge of Narcissus Fly back then so I just planted my snowdrops and forgot about them.....and they have all survived. Jennie
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Jennie
Now we know what you are doing wrong - you are killing them with kindness :) Much better my approach of studied neglect ;)
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Hmm ... Should I be excited?
This seedling appeared in the edge of my lawn, along with a lot of Galanthus nivails types. This one has plicate leaves quite unlike the nivalis. It has appeared near to where I used to grow G. 'Trym' and not far from G. 'Augustus'. On the down side the stem has expended to the point where it flops, but it's been that kind of year, perhaps it will be more upright in future.
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Hmm ... Should I be excited?
This seedling appeared in the edge of my lawn, along with a lot of Galanthus nivails types. This one has plicate leaves quite unlike the nivalis. It has appeared near to where I used to grow G. 'Trym' and not far from G. 'Augustus'. On the down side the stem has expended to the point where it flops, but it's been that kind of year, perhaps it will be more upright in future.
Very nice Tony,it's lovely.I would be over the moon.
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That looks fun Tony, it looks like the inner segments are entirely green, like Merlin ? and the flower looks quite globular like Augustus.
You definately should be excited , all snowdrops are exciting :D :D
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I would like to see it in a normal position without fingers and a photo of the leaves. Are the leaves pure plicatus?
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...It has appeared near to where I used to grow G. 'Trym'...
Trym is well-known for passing-on its character to the next generation, hence the proliferation of Trym-alikes. So this is very probably a Trym seedling.
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I would like to see it in a normal position without fingers and a photo of the leaves. Are the leaves pure plicatus?
In the dark, in the rain and in my slippers! Must be a serious attack of Galanthomania ;D
I would not know 'pure plicatus' but hopefully a picture will help.
'Merlin' also grows nearby.
Hope you can see the small green mark at the top of each outer petals that marks it down as very special ;)
Also you can see leaves and floppy habit.
All we need now is a unique name ::) ... err Mergustry ;D ;D ;D
Eeeee .. in't it exciting :P
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Merlin is a virtually sterile triploid hybrid and I've never managed to get any seed at all from using it as either a seed parent or a pollen parent. So it's highly unlikely (verging on impossible) that it would be one of the parents. Also, from the leaves it looks like pure plicatus, so as Alan says we can surmise that it's a seedling from Trym.
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Merlin is a virtually sterile triploid hybrid and I've never managed to get any seed at all from using it as either a seed parent or a pollen parent. So it's highly unlikely (verging on impossible) that it would be one of the parents. Also, from the leaves it looks like pure plicatus, so as Alan says we can surmise that it's a seedling from Trym.
Thanks Martin. It had to be Trym x something. The crimping in the petals reminded me also of Augustus, is that a likely cross? If so, then Trym is the most likely seed parent as Augustus is quite a bit further away. Pity it's so 'floppy' as it's 'Trym-ness' does not mean much if it's always going to be so lax stemmed.
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Augustus isn't very fertile either and may be a triploid plicatus, but it's more likely to be a parent than Merlin as pure species triploids are more fertile than hybrid triploids like Merlin where the fertility drops to almost zero.
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Sorry, meant to say that the seed parent is sure to be Trym rather than Augustus. Apart from the distance from the seedling, Trym is very fertile and seeds freely while Augustus virtually never seeds. If Augustus is involved in the parentage it's much more likely that it's the pollen parent (species triploids can be virtually sterile as seed parents but still be capable of pollinating the odd ovule or two in a fertile seed parent like Trym).
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In the dark, in the rain and in my slippers!
How well I know that! ;D
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It had to be Trym x something.
How about Trym x Trym? Or do we know Trym comes true from seed?
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In the dark, in the rain and in my slippers! Must be a serious attack of Galanthomania ;D
Eeeee .. in't it exciting :P
I'm not surprised it's rubbed off considering our AGS membership! Very nice Tony ;D
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It had to be Trym x something.
How about Trym x Trym? Or do we know Trym comes true from seed?
Snowdrops are not generally very self-fertile and don't tend to self-pollinate readily, but it can happen and Trym seems to have high fertility so that might help. So it could be either a self-pollinated seedling from Trym or a cross from Trym, possibly with Augustus.
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Very nice Tony.
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Martin - Shortly I will have pollen from my Trym imposter. This snowdrop, whatever it is, is one of the few that has produced seed in the past. Can you recommend other hybrids or speciess that might possibly cross with it both ways? I presume it will behave as Trym.
johnw - +10c and heavy rains at times.
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I presume it will behave as Trym.
If it's derived from Trym then it probably will. If it coincidentally looks like Trym then who can say?
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Martin - Shortly I will have pollen from my Trym imposter. This snowdrop, whatever it is, is one of the few that has produced seed in the past. Can you recommend other hybrids or speciess that might possibly cross with it both ways? I presume it will behave as Trym.
johnw - +10c and heavy rains at times.
John, I assume that like Trym your snowdrop is a plicatus. In which case the species closest to plicatus (with chromosomes with very similar DNA mass) and therefore most likely to cross succesfully (and shown to be the case in pratice) are elwesii and gracilis (there are plenty of very good hybrids around between plicatus and both elwesii and gracilis, including some of my own best ones) but plicatus will also cross with nivalis (G. x valentinei) despite dissimilar DNA masses. But for the best chances of success and the best quality resulting hybrids I'd recommend crossing with elwesii and gracilis.
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Yes, Martin & Alan I assume mine is a plicatus, certainly fits the descriptions.
Well I really should have said readily, easily - hoping there were some with red hot pollen. I will nevertheless get underway with some elwesii and obviously plicatus types. G. graicilis will have to wait as mine are small seedlings.
Here's hoping greenhouse produced pollen is alive and kicking.
To avoid confusionI that Trym imposter here should be referred to as trymnot.
johnw
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With John's (kentgardener) permission I am posting some photos taken in his garden last Sunday. I was surprised how much he had in bloom and was dashing around trying to take it all in and get a few photos and chat all at the same time :) After 5 minutes the battery went dead on my new camera so I tried my best with an older camera which was set on macro (and I did not know how to get it off) - so any photos more than a foot away were blurry.
It was lovely to chat snowdrops and my friend and I had a great afternoon - thanks John ;)
The photos are:
All Saints
Bloomer (reflected in a mirror)
'Davey Nice'
'Davey Nice' again - it is very nice!
Epiphany
Jennie
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A few more from John's (kentgardener) garden. Correct me if any are wrong John as I got in a pickle over a few names.
Gerard Parker - with an eerie reflection of myself in the background
Hoverfly
Mr Blobby
Nothing Special - looking very special indeed
Pat Mason - love this one
Sibbertoft White
Ailwyn - going over
Jennie
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Anthony - Back in 2010 you mentioned a nivalis Trym-like. Can you tell us more?
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I'm looking forward to two more of my 'Trym-like' snowies to open: "Trumps" and nivalis "Trym-like".
Good to see John's garden Jennie. You're burning the midnight oil!
johnw
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I'm so excited! My Ecusson d'Or died/didnt come back the following year. It's back!!!!!! and I now have two
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I'm so excited! My Ecusson d'Or died/didnt come back the following year. It's back!!!!!! and I now have two
Mine was like that last year too, but when I had a look in the summer it had five tiny bulbs forming. No sign of it yet but my fingers are crossed ;)
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ummm not snowdrop related, but if anyone would like to see the garden i run , its featured in Country Life magazine today. No pictures of me or any snowdrops, sorry ;D
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I lost a label :-[
Is it Trym or Trymlet?
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Hi All
Hope you are all well..
Love all the images and advise that have been posted... 8)
Few of mine from today
1) Percy Picton
2) Lapwing
3) Lapwing pot
4) Mrs Thompson
5) Ren Olg Vemalis
Take Care
Warren
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not a snowdrop below but the lovely Eranthis Pauline
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I lost a label :-[ Is it Trym or Trymlet?
pass
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Nice shots of John's 'drops, Jenny.
Warren, you've been lucky with the sun to open yours I see. very nice
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Warren - Nice photos - I wish I actually had sun in my garden at this time of year - unfortunately terraced housing, fences and a leylandii have put pay to any chance of that!
I really do like the look of 'Percy Picton' (Brian might have something to say about that!......)
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Nice eranthis Mark. Looks as if it might be a good year for them.
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I really do like the look of 'Percy Picton'
What you might not be able to tell from the angle of Warren's photo is that it is a "Magnet"-type, where the flowers dangle on the end of a really long, curved pedicel.
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My Percy Picton http://www.snowdropinfo.com/plicatus-percy-picton.html (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/plicatus-percy-picton.html)
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Nice shots of John's 'drops, Jenny.
Warren, you've been lucky with the sun to open yours I see. very nice
I did need a bit of (inside) help for percy picton though Maggie.... :-[ :)
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Warren - Nice photos - I wish I actually had sun in my garden at this time of year - unfortunately terraced housing, fences and a leylandii have put pay to any chance of that!
I really do like the look of 'Percy Picton' (Brian might have something to say about that!......)
Thanks John
I had to lift the lattice pot's out of the ground for the image of john gray & lapwing thankfully they were in good sized pot's so no root dangle..
Where they get no sun until early feb.
Warren
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I really do like the look of 'Percy Picton' (Brian might have something to say about that!......)
Perhaps you ought to look for one to buy John ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
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my P Picton looks like neither of those ;D
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The identity of this snowdrop is annoying me. Someone help me please
narrow grey leaves. I'll go out an measure them. Possibly an elwesii hybrid but not showing convolute leaves. Leaves applanate. All flowers identical.
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I really do like the look of 'Percy Picton' (Brian might have something to say about that!......)
Perhaps you ought to look for one to buy John ;D ;D ;D ;D ;D
John
You can have one when they go dormant
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My two Ecusson
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Come on, folks - nobody willing to help out with my 'Trym' relative ID?
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I guess nobody wants to admit that Trym and the Trymalikes all look much the same, Anne
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I'll admit that all Trym types baffle me
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Come on, folks - nobody willing to help out with my 'Trym' relative ID?
Anne, I think you may need to wait and see how your lost-label flowers develop. At the moment it looks more like Trymlet than Trym - paler markings and ovary, slightly different ovary shape, and the outers not flaring out and reflexing. If the shape stays the same with age - i.e. not reflexing much if at all, then I'd say Trymlet.
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Warren -Your snowdrop photos are superb, amazing clarity. Which camera are you using?
johnw
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Many thanks to everyone that has messaged and posted overnight to offer me a 'Percy Picton' - you are all very kind.
But I do already have a nice clump of them growing here - it is a bit of a running joke with Brian. A couple of years ago I kept saying "Brian, 'Percy Picton' looks a nice one - I think I might buy one" - and Brian kept saying "You have already got it..... twice!" :D
I do have a brain like a sieve sometimes! ::)
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Many thanks to everyone that has messaged and posted overnight to offer me a 'Percy Picton' - you are all very kind.
But I do already have a nice clump of them growing here - it is a bit of a running joke with Brian. A couple of years ago I kept saying "Brian, 'Percy Picton' looks a nice one - I think I might buy one" - and Brian kept saying "You have already got it..... twice!" :D
Sorry about the confusion folks, John very nearly had the National Collection of G.'Percy Picton' he had so many ;D :D ;D
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He has good taste even if it is down to a poor memory :)
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Warren -Your snowdrop photos are superb, amazing clarity. Which camera are you using?
johnw
Hi John
Thank you...the camera is a nikon d2x it's about ten years old now.. so no spring chicken..still does a reasonable job though
Warren
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A few from today as the sun is blazing away.
John Gray
Wendy's Gold
George Elwes
Finally my trymnot (small case and formerly trymimpostor) is driving me mad. It seems as it offsets it is changing markings and the stance of its outers. I am tempted to call it Tramp. Most likely the offsets will settle down but that would certainly make for a messy clump.
johnw
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Greenpeace
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yay it worked ;D my "greenpeace" it does exist
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yay it worked ;D my "greenpeace" it does exist
Success!
I've added it now in the other thread for you, Emma, and removed our missing pic messages ::)
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Thank you Maggi, was beginning to think it wanted to stay hidden and on the lost list ::)
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I am tempted to call it Tramp.
That seems most apt John ;D
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I am tempted to call it Tramp.
Love it. Good name. ;D
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Brian or John
'And seedlings of it that I grow ...should I reserve Tramplet or perhaps Strumpet. :-X
johnw
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Brian or John
'And seedlings of it that I grow ...should I reserve Tramplet or perhaps Strumpet. :-X
johnw
better than Slag or Slapper, I suppose.......
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There has to be a chav one day. ;D
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'And seedlings of it that I grow ...should I reserve Tramplet or perhaps Strumpet. :-X
Both, definitely ;D ;D ;D
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Warren, shouldn't you reginae olgae be vernalis?
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Brian or John
'And seedlings of it that I grow ...should I reserve Tramplet or perhaps Strumpet. :-X
johnw
better than Slag or Slapper, I suppose.......
;D :o ;D Slag as in Snowdrop Lovers Annual Gala ?
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Brian or John
'And seedlings of it that I grow ...should I reserve Tramplet or perhaps Strumpet. :-X
johnw
better than Slag or Slapper, I suppose.......
;D :o ;D Slag as in Snowdrop Lovers Annual Gala ?
Good one Jennie, I nearly fell off my chair laughing ;D ;D ;D
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Brian or John
'And seedlings of it that I grow ...should I reserve Tramplet or perhaps Strumpet. :-X
johnw
better than Slag or Slapper, I suppose.......
;D :o ;D Slag as in Snowdrop Lovers Annual Gala ?
Tee Hee!
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Warren, shouldn't you reginae olgae be vernalis?
Quite right Anthony..thank you for pointing that out..
Warren
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things starting to open now in some lovely afternoon sunshine.
Blewbury tart (one of few doubles I really like)
Comet
Curly
Headbourne
Diggory
ex Ivy Cottage (maybe Corporal?)
Ketton in G/H
Merlin in G/H
Peardrop in G/H
S Arnott
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a few more...
little bit ugly
Washfield Colesbourne
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Not everybody likes this snowdrop (e.g. KentGardener doesn't) but I have a soft spot for it. It seems to be an accidental hybrid between G. nivalis flora pleno and G. plicatus but it is a much more perfect double than nivalis flore pleno; it always has three outer petals and no aberrant/abhorrent inners. I call it "Cressida", but that's my little joke.
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Two Galanthus, both bought at garden centres as G.elwesii, clearly not. The one with 3 flowers I have had since 2008 and I have already been able to give one to a friend, and the other I bought last year. I presume that they are G.woronowii
Janette
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Not everybody likes this snowdrop (e.g. KentGardener doesn't) but I have a soft spot for it. It seems to be an accidental hybrid between G. nivalis flora pleno and G. plicatus but it is a much more perfect double than nivalis flore pleno; it always has three outer petals and no aberrant/abhorrent inners. I call it "Cressida", but that's my little joke.
Very neat and tidy Alan.
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Janette
WOW! :o
They are fantastic finds. Very very nice. P1010535_2.jpg particularly so.
IMG_1949_2-0.jpg is lovely but also slightly similar to other woronowii finds.
But P1010535_2.jpg - again WOW! 8)
You will be able to do lots of swops for those with members and increase your collection with lots of lovely drops.
Thank you for sharing the pictures.
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Richard - have you noticed the wonderful scent on 'Pear Drop'?
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Or Slagger - Snowdrop Lovers' Annual Push Punch & Elbow Reunion. ??? :-X
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Not everybody likes this snowdrop (e.g. KentGardener doesn't) but I have a soft spot for it.
I can see what you mean Alan. There is a quite simplicity about it.
johnw
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Janette - You must be tickled with your finds especially as they have proven to be stable so far.
johnw
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Wow is right :o
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Two Galanthus, both bought at garden centres as G.elwesii, clearly not. The one with 3 flowers I have had since 2008 and I have already been able to give one to a friend, and the other I bought last year. I presume that they are G.woronowii
Janette
Blimey - wheres your garden centre ;)
They are a fantastic find - now start looking for ones just like this but in yellow ;D
Jennie
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I'm definitely going to the wrong garden centres, that's an amazing find.
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We had close to -11c last weekend. Today we were promised a snow storm followed by 30mm of rain. A skid of snow by 3pm and it's now raining. Just checked in the yard and 'Cambridge' is standing up and looking not bad save for tiny brown tips, no doubt from being out now for more than a month. What a tough little flower.
johnw
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Two Galanthus, both bought at garden centres as G.elwesii, clearly not. The one with 3 flowers I have had since 2008 and I have already been able to give one to a friend, and the other I bought last year. I presume that they are G.woronowii
Janette
What a lovely little drop Janette...looks like a gem that one... 8)
Warren
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wow Janette, brilliant finds and more so that they are stable.
Years ago when I worked in a garden centre I bought all the green tipped nivalis which were actually woronowii. I beavered away repotting the bulbs so I could buy the green tipped ones. They have never been green tipped again
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Janette does you ?woronowii have a small or large inner mark?
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Mark,
The ?G.woronowii with the three (actually now four) flowers has much smaller inner marks than the one with the single flower. I will try to take a photo on Sunday if that helps. The leaves look identical on both plants, so I think that they are the same species and have assumed that they are most likely to be G.woronowii, although the label is G.elwesii. How does it happen that these plants are wrongly labelled as I often see them incorrectly named for sale?
Janette
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Thanks for the additional info. New green tipped woronowii are very exciting.
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Richard - have you noticed the wonderful scent on 'Pear Drop'?
I haven't, am about to go and raid the greenhouse to take some with me when I go away tomorrow morning so I'll stick them next to the log burner for a while, I've got hundreds of bulbs in the G/H at the moment and the scent this afternoon was amazing.
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Or Slagger - Snowdrop Lovers' Annual Push Punch & Elbow Reunion. ??? :-X
;D ;D
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Does anyone know a twin scaped elwesii monostictus with very thick outers that cant be opened with the snowdrop pinch?
When I plant snowdrops in troughs I plant them around the edges. This one is in the middle which makes me think it 'died' and I recycled the pot contents. It came up last year and it's back again now.
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A nice little snowdrop: Hobbgoblin
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David - Wonderful that you have made your debut on the forum. Hobbgoblin is lovely and the pix on your site are exquisite.
johnw
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Not quite my debut John, that was this time last year! Decorating ever since then.
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so I think that they are the same species and have assumed that they are most likely to be G.woronowii
Although there are some species that look quite similar to woronowii, those don't come up for sale in garden centres so yours must be woronowii.
... the label is G.elwesii. How does it happen that these plants are wrongly labelled as I often see them incorrectly named for sale?
I'm sure the nurseries that sell snowdrops to garden centres have a large stock of elwesii labels. But woronowii labels are in much shorter supply. And evidently they don't care much about species accuracy.
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Trymming - or looking at these I think it should be Batman!
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Thanks for showing 'Hobbgoblin' David. It is not one I have seen of or heard of before. I like the way the outers are raising.
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A nice little snowdrop: Hobbgoblin
What a lovely name for a lovely little snowdrop. I also like the way the outers are turning up - a group of these would be a delight. Also David your photos are beautiful. Thanks for sharing them
Jennie
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Thanks for showing 'Hobbgoblin' David. It is not one I have seen of or heard of before. I like the way the outers are raising.
Now who could it have been who posted on the Forum in February 2011 "I like 'HobbGobling' Brain - different from a lot of others so could maybe one day earn a space in my little patch." :-\ :-\ :-\
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Not quite my debut John, that was this time last year! Decorating ever since then.
Well let's say your seasonal debut.
Need decorating help here if you are finished there, starting with the removal of a 3 storey kitchen chimney (aka chimley in Hfx.). ;)
johnw
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One photographed today that might be Warei.
Are there any named Warei cultivars or crosses with plicatus?
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Rob, this is a perfect snowdrop for Valentine'sday. It has a perfect heart on the inner leaves. Lovely!
Lina
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Not quite my debut John, that was this time last year! Decorating ever since then.
Well let's say your seasonal debut.
Need decorating help here if you are finished there, starting with the removal of a 3 storey kitchen chimney (aka chimley in Hfx.). ;)
johnw
Not finished here yet John, just the lull before the next storm.
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Not quite my debut John, that was this time last year! Decorating ever since then.
Well let's say your seasonal debut.
Need decorating help here if you are finished there, starting with the removal of a 3 storey kitchen chimney (aka chimley in Hfx.). ;)
johnw
Not finished here yet John, just the lull before the next storm.
...and not before the end of the snowdrop season either ;)
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Just read, there is an article about Irish snowdrops in Gardeners Illustrated this month. I only can see the cover in the internet. Can anyone tell me, who is interviewed? Sounds interesting!
Lina.
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Lina, in The Garden Feb. 2012 there is an article about Colesbourne Park, the Elwes family, the snowdrops and John Grimshaw, by Stephen Anderton.
There is also a piece on Hepatica, by John Grimshaw.
Edit by Maggi: Sorry, thought you meant in The Garden - snowdrops are everywhere !
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...and not before the end of the snowdrop season either ;)
Brian - We'll book him in for April first then. ;)
johnw
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Now I'll have to find both magazines. ;D
Thanks for the information.
Lina
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...and not before the end of the snowdrop season either ;)
Brian - We'll book him in for April first then. ;)
johnw
The first class fare is £5934 return. Send it over and I'll be there.
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Lina, in The Garden Feb. 2012 there is an article about Colesbourne Park, the Elwes family, the snowdrops and John Grimshaw, by Stephen Anderton.
There is also a piece on Hepatica, by John Grimshaw.
Edit by Maggi: Sorry, thought you meant in The Garden - snowdrops are everywhere !
Also Tim Ingram writes about John and Judy's lovely garden at Chestnut Farm, West Beckham - well worth a visit.
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Lina, in The Garden Feb. 2012 there is an article about Colesbourne Park, the Elwes family, the snowdrops and John Grimshaw, by Stephen Anderton.
There is also a piece on Hepatica, by John Grimshaw.
Edit by Maggi: Sorry, thought you meant in The Garden - snowdrops are everywhere !
Also Tim Ingram writes about John and Judy's lovely garden at Chestnut Farm, West Beckham - well worth a visit.
.... and Kaye Griffiths writes about the alpine dept at Harlow Carr and there are other snippets........ that's why I said in another thread that half the issue had been written by Forumists!!
8) 8)
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...and not before the end of the snowdrop season either ;)
Brian - We'll book him in for April first then. ;)
johnw
The first class fare is £5934 return. Send it over and I'll be there.
Brillaint. ;D
I'm come and help too John.
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The first class fare is £5934 return. Send it over and I'll be there.
Sorry David & John, the Concorde has been decommisssioned. Meet this fellow at Land's End Monday and we'll expect you both by Spring.
johnw
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One photographed today that might be Warei. Are there any named Warei cultivars or crosses with plicatus?
Rob, Warei should have a very large spathe. Your plant could be Viridapice. Is it really such a dark green?
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From today i found with a friend several yellow "sandersii" nivalis and some greenstriped singles and doubles just before its starting to get really cold next week!
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The first class fare is £5934 return. Send it over and I'll be there.
Sorry David & John, the Concorde has been decommisssioned. Meet this fellow at Land's End Monday and we'll expect you both by Spring.
johnw
Thank you for the kind offer John. I think I will pass on this one as my days of roughing it are well over.
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Hi Gerard - I am just wondering - do you leave some bulbs in nature when you collect? ???
I always try to leave all the baby bulbs, from the one single bulb I might rarely collect from a site, so that the young ones can grow on happily where their parent germinated for future generations of galanthophiles to find. :)
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Hi Gerard - I am just wondering - do you leave some bulbs in nature when you collect? ???
I always try to leave all the baby bulbs, from the one single bulb I might rarely collect from a site, so that the young ones can grow on happily where their parent germinated for future generations of galanthophiles to find. :)
I am pleased to hear it John, it does mean that the gene pool in the site is not diminished.
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Let me tell you a secret John and Brian i do even plant other hybrids over there. :o
The problem is it takes a while before results, that might be for the future generations?I do never take the whole clump with me thats impossible too, there are still so many seeds/bulbills left in the soil!
It surprises me every year and i would never kill a chicken that lays golden eggs ;D
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I found this sitting on 'Trymlet' yeserday, is this my first narcissus fly of the season? :(
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Thorsten,
your NBF is a Eristalis tenax (Mistbiene). They fly in mild winter.
Narcissus bulb flies (NBF) hatch when it is warm enough (E/April-May) and they make a unique buzzing sound similar to humble bees but with a higher frequency.
It is unlikely to find a NBF outside in mid winter (exception: you have put a pot with infested bulbs inside to room temperature , i.e. happend to me with Hippeastrum).
Here a picture of a fat NBF.
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Boys and girls please learn how to id the bulb fly
It is hairy anx comes in 4 colours
All black
All brown
Black with a pale band on the end of its body
Three coloured bands
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http://www.snowdropinfo.com/narcissusfly.htm (http://www.snowdropinfo.com/narcissusfly.htm)
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And to that Mark you can add:
reddish fore and pale yellow-beige rear
This one by the way made no sound whatsoever unless its pitch is out of my hearing range. The local entomologist said it was a Merodon but never got back to me on the species. All agree NBF.
johnw
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yes thats one
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I have gotten some private messages from forumists who seem interested in snowdrops in the US so I thought I would post photos of the first of my snowdrops to bloom in 2012. I am in the mid-Atlantic (Pennsylvania). Everything is blooming early here, and all the snowdrops pictured usually bloom at the beginning of March. I was especially amazed to find blooming 'Flore Pleno' and have included a photo because it is usually one of the last of my snowdrops to bloom. Other than G. elwesii, which starts in November and goes through March (the clump in the photo is my March-blooming patch), 'Kite' was the first to bloom on January 25. Carolyn
1. G. elwesii
2. G. nivalis 'Flore Pleno'
3. G. plicatus 'Augustus'
4. G. 'Kite'
5. G. 'Kite'
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Lovely healthylooking plants Carolyn. Kite looks very impressive in your climate. You're months ahead of us, many are up but an inch and that through frozen ground.
johnw
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Hi Carolyn
Nice to see the photographs of your snowdrops. I think I can see at least two different clones in the clump of elwesii and, if they were growing here, would be tempted to try and seperate them into two distinct clumps so that all the green tipped ones were together. Perhaps that is just my OCD talking! ;D
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Nice photos Carolyn - Kite looks lovely and has just gone on my 'wish list' ;) This season I am attracted to larger flowers with very long outers (including poculiforms) - the bigger and taller the flower ...the better. As already mentioned your plants do look lovely and healthy - you are so lucky to be able to plant direct without the worry of NFly or Swift Moth larvae.
No fog or rain here today (yesterday was thick fog most of the day) and I am off out to take some photos.
Jennie
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Good eye there John. There appears to be one hiding in the extreme lower left fore corner with the marking a litle higher up the outer.
johnw
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Carolyn, while the train spotters ( ;D ) are dissecting your 'drops for minute differences... may I comment on your lovely photographs ?
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Carolyn, while the train spotters ( ;D ) are dissecting your 'drops for minute differences... may I comment on your lovely photographs ?
Thanks, Maggi. I think I said before that I have been planting bags of dried G. elwesii bulbs off and on since 1996. I have two large patches with varying bloom dates and all sorts of combinations of marks. If I have time I will photograph the different marks. Someday I do hope to have time to separate them. I am glad everyone is interested in seeing photos of what must be "ordinary" snowdrops to you. Maybe it will encourage more lurkers to post. Carolyn
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A few pictures from Fullarton Woods taken today. They are probably very similar to those I have posted over the last several years but it's still a cheery sight to see in the cold ,gloomy Winter
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If you do not need only the snow drop specials, than your nature looks fantastic.
I like these white spring carpets under old trees.
The sun is shining, the air is a little bit warm, but only in the sun
and there is only silence around you with only some birds.
This is galanthus time.
And there is some smell in the air, like honey.
And you are happy!
So it is in Fullarton Woods, or???
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8) 8) 8)
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It looks like a fairytale.
Thank you for showing this, TC.
Lina.
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We have a local wood a little like this and with that low misty light and all that Hagen says, there cannot be a better place to be... but our little dog is more interested in chasing the rabbits!
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Tom what a display. Who cares if you show us something similar every year, its well worth showing 8)
Angie :)
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Nice photos Carolyn - Kite looks lovely and has just gone on my 'wish list' ;) This season I am attracted to larger flowers with very long outers (including poculiforms) - the bigger and taller the flower ...the better.
Jennie
Hi Jennie and anyone else interested,
Kite has just been listed on ebay, see link below....
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/GALANTHUS-KITE-RARE-SNOWDROP-/180808469224?pt=UK_HomeGarden_Garden_PlantsSeedsBulbs_JN&hash=item2a19064ae8
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If you do not need only the snow drop specials, than your nature looks fantastic.
I like these white spring carpets under old trees.
The sun is shining, the air is a little bit warm, but only in the sun
and there is only silence around you with only some birds.
This is galanthus time.
And there is some smell in the air, like honey.
And you are happy!
So it is in Fullarton Woods, or???
The wood is about 10 hectares and apart from some large beech trees at the edges it consists of some conifers and other self generated species. The main part of the wood is not managed. Any trees that fall are left to rot and the undergrowth is full of brambles and wild roses which make it inpenetrable from Spring onwards - ideal for birds.
On our walk today we saw a couple of buzzards flying about. In the open fields next to the woods we saw Greylag, Pinkfeet, Eurasian Whitefront , Greenland White front and Taiga Bean Geese all feeding together. Near them a flock of Lapwings and Pectoral Sandpiper which is spending the Winter with us. A nice day out
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Looks absolutely lovely, Tom, and with birdwatching too. Does your westerly location mean that the snowdrops are ahead of the typical Scottish ones?
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Tom - what beautiful photographs they would make lovely cards. Now what amazes me is that no-one ever lifts and divides these snowdrops in nature but they look dense and floriferous.....whereas in my borders the older clumps of nivalis are dying out where they are desperate for division ???? Any explanations for this?
Sean - thanks for the ebay link - I will follow it's progress.
I have been lifting lattice pots for inspection today with mixed results - sadly this post needs to be finished in the RIP section :'(
I am also finding flower heads missing and they are usually laying on the ground nearby - we do not have pheasants in the garden anymore. Eranthis heads are laying everywhere too - grrrr - as if snowdrop growing is not challenging enough.
Jennie
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... what amazes me is that no-one ever lifts and divides these snowdrops in nature but they look dense and floriferous.....whereas in my borders the older clumps of nivalis are dying out where they are desperate for division ???? Any explanations for this?
Possibly in the forest the soil is much lighter (leaf mold essentially) and this allows clumps to push outwards?
Possibly there is a natural cycle whereby a clump forms, the bulbs get overcrowded, some are forced to the surface and get knocked or blown to a new location, many die but then the process repeats itself so a big spread of snowdrops develops after many years?
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here are a few starting to flower in he garden today
sandersii
Primrose Warburg which is not really up and running yet
Mighty Atom
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You certainly do a smashing job on the yellows Ian.
Is your soil slightly acidic?
Also have to ask if that is the Christie Sandersii?
johnw
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Wow, what nice clumps of yellows, Ian!
I'm a sucker for yellows; I wish they were easily available in the USA... :'(
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You certainly do a smashing job on the yellows Ian.
Is your soil slightly acidic?
Also have to ask if that is the Christie Sandersii?
johnw
John
Yes slightly acidic. My soil ph is about 6.5 and yes I had it from Ian some years ago. This sandersii is one of my favourites.
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Alan
I have not been inland this Winter but the west coast - at sea level -usually flowers sooner than inland areas. I can even see the difference in my garden 3 miles from the sea. Down at sea level shrubs such as Camellias flower about 5 days earlier. I presume the snowdrops will follow the same pattern
Jennie
The wood is well used by locals and there are some houses next to the woods. Any attempt to lift the bulbs would be seen and provoke a furious reaction. The snowdrops are not managed and have bulked up over the decades. Some clumps have up to 50 bulbs and look totally healthy. They must like the soil where they are growing as areas next to them are never colonised.
As far as I can see, the soils is medium loam with leaf mold added from the trees with a plentiful supply of rain water. Single bulbs can be seen lying on the surface so I presume they will root and form new clumps
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TC, I've got the "Top Cat" theme tune stuck in my head now, because of you!
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here are a few starting to flower in he garden today
sandersii
Primrose Warburg which is not really up and running yet
Mighty Atom
Beautiful set of images Ian...they look happy & healthy... 8)
Warren
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Nice clumps of yellow Ian. Do you split the bulbs sometimes or are they naturally spreading out?
Those pictures from the woods cheer me up whenever I look at them.
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In the greenhouse where its nice and sheltered some big green innered snowdrops are in flower.
Cicely Hall
Fieldgate Superb
Melanie Broughton
There's not much to separate them from just the flower !
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Three super snowdrops Jo, I must follow your example and keep a few in the greenhouse. Especially the highly scented so you don't have to face Mecca to smell them :)
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Does everyone grow Lord Monostictus? Its fabulous in a group. I divided mine last summer. Wendys are very small this year. I divided them also
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Nice clumps of yellow Ian. Do you split the bulbs sometimes or are they naturally spreading out?
I divide every 2/3 years I don't want them to be crowded as they seem not to like it
here are a few starting to flower in he garden today
sandersii
Primrose Warburg which is not really up and running yet
Mighty Atom
Beautiful set of images Ian...they look happy & healthy... 8)
Warren
Thanks Warren
Wow, what nice clumps of yellows, Ian!
I'm a sucker for yellows; I wish they were easily available in the USA... :'(
They are not that easy to get over here but maybe somewhere someone can help - but if you want to collect :D
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Does everyone grow Lord Monostictus? Its fabulous in a group. I divided mine last summer. Wendys are very small this year. I divided them also
No
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No Mark, its not one I have. Does it look anything like Melanie Broughton ?
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TC, I've got the "Top Cat" theme tune stuck in my head now, because of you!
Strange to say, that was my nickname 40 years ago - not benny the brain!!
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TC, I've got the "Top Cat" theme tune stuck in my head now, because of you!
Strange to say, that was my nickname 40 years ago
I wish you hadn't said that - not only have I had the tune in my head all afternoon - but now I feel old too! ;D
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Does everyone grow Lord Monostictus? Its fabulous in a group. I divided mine last summer. Wendys are very small this year. I divided them also
No - photo???
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Mark - I grow Lord Monostictus and really like the simple markings
Here is a photo of mine
Jennie
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For some reason this has escaped my radar Jennie, another nice snowdrop.
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here are a few starting to flower in he garden today
sandersii
Primrose Warburg which is not really up and running yet
Mighty Atom
Hello Ian,
Excellent pics, I really like Sandersii and Mighty Atom.
Does Mighty Atom bulk up quickly or is it a slow grower?
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Hi all, thanks for all the super pictures our snowdrops were growing so quickly but all last week everything has been frozen solid even some snow yesterday, a nice bright day today most frost gone hope to get some pictures soon, cheers Ian the Christie kind.
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My photos of Lord dont do it justice.
Jennie my Lords looked like that last year. This year they have a full green mark.
Jo it's a monostictus, stands upright and has lovely shaped flowers.
If the sun is out before 12 tomorrow I'll take photos
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woronowii EK Balls
Sorry nothing in scale to show how small and pale it is
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here are a few starting to flower in he garden today
sandersii
Primrose Warburg which is not really up and running yet
Mighty Atom
Hello Ian,
Excellent pics, I really like Sandersii and Mighty Atom.
Does Mighty Atom bulk up quickly or is it a slow grower?
Rick
Mighty Atom bulks up quite well for me.
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My photos of Lord dont do it justice.
Jennie my Lords looked like that last year. This year they have a full green mark.
Jo it's a monostictus, stands upright and has lovely shaped flowers.
If the sun is out before 12 tomorrow I'll take photos
Mark - that was last years photo. Mine are up this year and bulking up nicely - will post another photo when they flower. I got mine a few years ago from Avon and I love them. Would look wonderful in a drift. They were not very expensive and I may get a few more if I see them again.
Jennie
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My photos of Lord dont do it justice.
Jennie my Lords looked like that last year. This year they have a full green mark.
Jo it's a monostictus, stands upright and has lovely shaped flowers.
If the sun is out before 12 tomorrow I'll take photos
Mark - that was last years photo. Mine are up this year and bulking up nicely - will post another photo when they flower. I got mine a few years ago from Avon and I love them. Would look wonderful in a drift. They were not very expensive and I may get a few more if I see them again.
Jennie
This was the description from Avon in 2010.
"We have to move to the "new" nomenclature so this fabulous form (previously sold as merely ' caucasicus of gardens' ) falls under the elwesii monostictus catch-all. A robust form with very wide 'blue' leaves, very bold. Often huge bulbs. Well worth its 'new' title."
The photo they provided did not show the markings and was a profile photo. I hope mine are stable - will soon find out!
Jennie
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"We have to move to the "new" nomenclature so this fabulous form (previously sold as merely ' caucasicus of gardens' ) falls under the elwesii monostictus catch-all. A robust form with very wide 'blue' leaves, very bold. Often huge bulbs. Well worth its 'new' title."
A bit of an understatement 8)
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After I posted a photo, people (Magggi called them train spotters) were commenting on the markings on the various flowers in my G. elwesii patch. It was a gorgeous day today here, 60 degrees and sunny, so I thought I would photograph a representative sample. On closer inspection almost every flower is different. Carolyn
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Carolyn, lovely pictures of your elwesii's. Isn't it fun to look at all the different marks?
Very nice web-site too!
Lina.
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here are a few starting to flower in he garden today
sandersii
Primrose Warburg which is not really up and running yet
Mighty Atom
Hello Ian,
Excellent pics, I really like Sandersii and Mighty Atom.
Does Mighty Atom bulk up quickly or is it a slow grower?
Rick
Mighty Atom bulks up quite well for me.
Thanks Ian ,I should give it a go then :)
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Mighty Atom was one of the first drops I was given & it increases very quickly here, visitors love it, I could sell it all many times over every year.
have got lots, always interested in a swap if you would like some of mine.
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Great photographs Carolyn - always fun to see the variety that can be found in garden centre mixed pots.