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Bulbs => Galanthus => Topic started by: KentGardener on December 28, 2011, 12:53:16 PM
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Hi All
Wol and Sue at Glen Chantry have sent me a friendly challenge for this festive holiday.
On Christmas day they had 50 snowdrops in flower at Glen Chantry Garden and Sue arranged two vases of flowers for their xmas dinner table decoration.
My challenge is to name as many as I can (I want to try and get at least 25 out of 50).
Wol has said it is fine for me to enlist the help of my chums on the SRGC forum.
Sue and Wol have the name of each flower and will put me out of my misery in 2012. 8)
So.....
anyone care to make a start?..... ;D
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Wow! How pretty the table must have looked... and so many blooms 8)
Well, if this is not a challenge to keep the 'drop fiends busy into the New Year (even until Easter??!!) then I'll be VERY surprised ;D
Super idea and many thanks to Wol and Sue for their fun idea.
Wishing them a grand year in 2012!
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Hello,
Looks like a mrsThompson on the left in the first pic.
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Hi Webster008.... 97 people looking at the page already but you are brave enough to begin the guessing... thank you! 8)
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Good to have one brave person on the forum. Maggi.
Welcome to the forum Webster008 - one better than Bond.
Paddy
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I'm going to be brave as well (after several glasses of wine :o ) and go for Lapwing at the centre of the first pix.
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i'm quite curious for the one with 6 outer tepals.
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I'll guess Diggory for the textured one at the bottom of the first picture.
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Using the alphabet, I can name a full 26! ;D
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Godfrey Owen for the one on the first pic,left,with 6 outers
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Godfrey Owen for the one on the first pic,left,with 6 outers
And just above it and slight to the right Fieldgate Superb.
johnw
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Excellent guesses so far. Welcome to the forum Webster008 - and thank you for starting the guesses. 8)
To make it slightly easier for us to know what flowers we are all referring to, I have placed numbers onto a smaller version of each picture.
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I've been pondering these this morning over my cup of tea. Here are my guesses (Subject to change! :D )
1 - Three Ships
2 - Sickle
3 - Godfrey Owen (I thought Mrs Thompson at first too Webster008)
7 - Fieldgate Prelude
10 - Glenchantress
12 - Lapwing
14 - Maidwell L
15 - Augustus
21 - Atkinsii
22 - Yaffle
25 - Donald Simms Early
27 - Sutton Courtney
29 - R. O. ssp R. O.
30 - Glenorma
31 - I feel I should know this one......
34 - Deer Slot
35 - Same as 14? Maidwell L
39 - Selbourne Green Tips
42 - Comet
43 - Richard Ayres
44 - Merlin
46 - X-Files
47 - Fieldgate Superb
48 - Diggory
49 - Ding Dong
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I just love these pictures showing the great variability within a genus.
mixes of cultivars of different sizes, shapes and colors.
wonderful.
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I think I am changing my mind for #44 - I think it is 'Sickle' now. :-\
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31 - I feel I should know this one......
48 - Diggory
I got my previous guess wrong, I think you're right with number 48 for Diggory.
I'll have a guess at Castlegar for number 31.
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They all look the same to me ;D
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They all look the same to me ;D
Should've gone to Specsavers ;)
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nr 44,Sickle
could be but isn`t the spathe usually bent over ,like a curl?
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John - Please straighten me out on the marking difference between Fieldgate Prelude and Fieldgate Superb. I recall Martin said my FP was mislabelled - see photo - no vernation visible at the moment on either. Also a pic of what's grown as Fieldgate Prelude at Covertside.
johnw
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John - Please straighten me out on the marking difference between Fieldgate Prelude and Fieldgate Superb. I recall Martin said my FP was mislabelled - see photo - no vernation visible at the moment on either. Also a pic of what's grown as Fieldgate Prelude at Covertside.
johnw
Sorry John - I'm no expert. I am merely 'guessing' what the flowers are in the pics for a bit of fun :) .
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John - Please straighten me out on the marking difference between Fieldgate Prelude and Fieldgate Superb. I recall Martin said my FP was mislabelled - see photo - no vernation visible at the moment on either. Also a pic of what's grown as Fieldgate Prelude at Covertside.
johnw
Sorry John - I'm no expert. I am merely 'guessing' what the flowers are in the pics for a bit of fun :) .
John and John
I am certainly no expert either but a snowdrop flowering now is unlikely to be Fieldgate Superb as it is the last snowdrop to flower in my garden see attached link shows 23 March and usually last until early April when all of the others have gone.
John W
The top one shown in your post, is it flower yet or is this an old photo as it looks more like the real thing?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5090.0;attach=203706;image (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5090.0;attach=203706;image)
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Thank you Maggi and Paddy,
Brave enough to begin but got it wrong :(.
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Thank you Maggi and Paddy,
Brave enough to begin but got it wrong :(.
You will not be the first nor the last to get things wrong. This is a forum of friends sharing their garden/plant hobby, their experiences, views and information and we have all made enough mistakes not to be too worried about it anymore.
Paddy
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John - Please straighten me out on the marking difference between Fieldgate Prelude and Fieldgate Superb. I recall Martin said my FP was mislabelled - see photo - no vernation visible at the moment on either. Also a pic of what's grown as Fieldgate Prelude at Covertside.
johnw
Sorry John - I'm no expert. I am merely 'guessing' what the flowers are in the pics for a bit of fun :) .
John and John
I am certainly no expert either but a snowdrop flowering now is unlikely to be Fieldgate Superb as it is the last snowdrop to flower in my garden see attached link shows 23 March and usually last until early April when all of the others have gone.
John W
The top one shown in your post, is it flower yet or is this an old photo as it looks more like the real thing?
http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5090.0;attach=203706;image (http://www.srgc.org.uk/forum/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=5090.0;attach=203706;image)
Ian - The first photo was taken on 28 Dec 2009 in my greenhouse, so one can assume it is be an earlier flowerer outdoors. The second photo at Covertside is dated but the marking quite different whether the vernation matches we will have to see.
johnw - -3c and a stiff wind.
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I see the thread has already been read 398 times..... but precious few names coming for the drops.....
Wol and Sue will be having a good lugh, I bet! 8)
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35 Bo Bette ?
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Thank you Maggi and Paddy,
Brave enough to begin but got it wrong :(.
Hi Webster, my first thought was exactly the same as yours in thinking Mrs Thomson for that flower. :) But then I looked in my garden and could see that Godfrey Owen is already in flower - but Mrs Thomson is a couple of weeks from flowering. Glen Chantry, where the photos were taken, is only 25 miles or so (as the crow flies) from here - so I decided that Godfrey Owen was the more likely.
Remember - I don't yet know the answers - so I could be wrong in my guess and it turns out to be Mrs Thomson after all. :D
I am pretty certain that I will be wrong on lots of my guesses. ;D
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John and John
I am certainly no expert either but a snowdrop flowering now is unlikely to be Fieldgate Superb as it is the last snowdrop to flower in my garden see attached link shows 23 March and usually last until early April when all of the others have gone.
John W
The top one shown in your post, is it flower yet or is this an old photo as it looks more like the real thing?
Good point Ian - I've just looked in the garden by torchlight and Fieldgate Superb is only 1cm out of the ground - so I shall scrap that from my guesses. :-\ So which shall I guess is Fieldgate Prelude?
nr 44,Sickle
could be but isn`t the spathe usually bent over ,like a curl?
Hi Loes
I was quite uncertain - but feel that Sickle is likely to be in there somewhere (it is flowering here already). I changed my guess from #40 to #2 and now to #44 for the reason of the scythe like spathe. I really can't decide! Help! :-\ I'm going back to #2 for now. :D
I've not grown Bo Bette - so will gratefully accept your advice on #35
Rob - Castlegar seems a good guess for #31 - I shall pencil that in for my submission.
Diane - definitely must be Lapwing musn't it. 8)
I'll find out just how badly I have done in a couple of days! ;D
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John - Please straighten me out on the marking difference between Fieldgate Prelude and Fieldgate Superb. I recall Martin said my FP was mislabelled - see photo - no vernation visible at the moment on either. Also a pic of what's grown as Fieldgate Prelude at Covertside.
johnw
Hi John
My 'Fieldgate Prelude' (that a forum member kindly sent to me last season) has open this morning - with a little help from an upturned vase "mini greenhouse" ;D .
It looks the same marking as your flower to me. :)
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John - Please straighten me out on the marking difference between Fieldgate Prelude and Fieldgate Superb. I recall Martin said my FP was mislabelled - see photo - no vernation visible at the moment on either. Also a pic of what's grown as Fieldgate Prelude at Covertside.
johnw
I rather like the one grown at Covertside and even prefer it to the 'real' Fieldgate Prelude. Very distinctive marking.
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John, I don't recall a discussion about the mark on your Fieldgate Prelude so I can't be much help. Of course there may have been one but if there was it now eludes me. I think I do recall a discussion about your FP leaves coming up very thin and gracilis-like, which I think I said mine was doing too, perhaps because it was splitting up a lot, which I find FP tends to do.
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Time will tell John.
Thank you Maggi and Paddy,
Brave enough to begin but got it wrong :(.
Hi Webster, my first thought was exactly the same as yours in thinking Mrs Thomson for that flower. :) But then I looked in my garden and could see that Godfrey Owen is already in flower - but Mrs Thomson is a couple of weeks from flowering. Glen Chantry, where the photos were taken, is only 25 miles or so (as the crow flies) from here - so I decided that Godfrey Owen was the more likely.
Remember - I don't yet know the answers - so I could be wrong in my guess and it turns out to be Mrs Thomson after all. :D
I am pretty certain that I will be wrong on lots of my guesses. ;D
T
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John, I don't recall a discussion about the mark on your Fieldgate Prelude so I can't be much help. Of course there may have been one but if there was it now eludes me. I think I do recall a discussion about your FP leaves coming up very thin and gracilis-like, which I think I said mine was doing too, perhaps because it was splitting up a lot, which I find FP tends to do.
Good memory Martin. Having looked at my notes I see "leaves are not elwesii 1/1/11 but Martin Baxendale says name is correct 3/1/11".
Now the question is: Is Fieldgate Prelude indeed an elwesii? JohnF's leaves look a bit closer to what I'd expect of an elwesii.
johnw
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I rather like the one grown at Covertside and even prefer it to the 'real' Fieldgate Prelude. Very distinctive marking.
I have to agree Art. You will also notice a few strays in that clump, ones with two apical markings.
johnw - +2c and heavy rain expected momentarily.
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Hi all, we have reached the last day of 2011 so All the Very best to you all. Our snowdrops got a shock today as the snow started yesterday at lunchtime and we awoke to 4 inches of white stuff this morning it has started to melt so live in hope, two pics taken today, cheers Ian the Christie kind
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Brrrrr!
it was a lot nicer in Kent today. :)
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Ian, I do like seeing the snowdrops just popping their heads through the snow, s o nice can't wait to see mine start showing.
Wish we had some snow here. I do like it this time of year, only a little off course.
Angie :)
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John, I don't recall a discussion about the mark on your Fieldgate Prelude so I can't be much help. Of course there may have been one but if there was it now eludes me. I think I do recall a discussion about your FP leaves coming up very thin and gracilis-like, which I think I said mine was doing too, perhaps because it was splitting up a lot, which I find FP tends to do.
Good memory Martin. Having looked at my notes I see "leaves are not elwesii 1/1/11 but Martin Baxendale says name is correct 3/1/11".
Now the question is: Is Fieldgate Prelude indeed an elwesii? JohnF's leaves look a bit closer to what I'd expect of an elwesii.
johnw
FP is a seedling from Mrs Macnamara, which has quite narrow leaves for an elwesii. The width of leaf in elwesii varies a great deal from very wide to quite thin. Similarly leaf width varies in gracilis, from very thin to quite wide. FP was from open pollinated seed in Colin Mason's garden but looks like pure elwesii.
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Thanks for the claification Martin.
johnw
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Of course you can never rule out the possibility of hybridity. Elwesii crossed with plicatus, I've found, often gives quite narrow-leaved almost nivalis like leaves, as in John Gray.
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I've crossed John Gray with plicatus and got seedlings (not yet flowered) with very convolute elwesii-like leaves, so I'm now pretty sure John Gray is a plicatus elwesii hybrid, rather than plicatis gracilis as has been suggested in the past.
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It's all a bit odd, because John Gray is a triploid, and it must have two lots of elwesii chromosomes for the elwesii genes to over-ride the plicatus and produce elwesii type leaves in the seedlings, yet in John Gray the elwesii genes don't express themselves as wide elwesii type leaves. Very puzzling. Unless John Gray is an elwesii x nivalis, which isn't impossible but less likely as those species are less close genetically than elwesii and plicatus. Oh well, it'll probably all become clear with time.
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Wont that be depending on dominance/recessivity regardless of chromosome number?
And to get good pollen or egg cells from a triploid you can't have had the meiosis properly?
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Wont that be depending on dominance/recessivity regardless of chromosome number?
And to get good pollen or egg cells from a triploid you can't have had the meiosis properly?
Could be non-reduced gametes which haven't gone through meiosis (rare but can happen with triploids) or gametes which have gone through meiosis and produced pollen grains which are not completely balanced and complete but enough to be fertile. Dominant and recessive genetics etc is something that is not very well understood yet in galanthus, so all a bit of a puzzle, especially when polyploidy is also thrown into the mix (quite a few of the best galanthus cultivars are hybrid triploids, which makes breeding and planning breeding difficult). But onwards and upwards :)
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Ian, I do like seeing the snowdrops just popping their heads through the snow
Angie :)
I like it very much too, Angie!
For those who wouldn't know, Galanthus in french is called "Perce-Neige", which means "Snow-Driller" ! ;)
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In dutch it is called: sneeuwklokje. Which means: snowbell.
I once was in France and wanted to ask about snowdrops and didn't know the french word. It was very frustrating. So I am happy to know it now. Are there many collectors of snowdrops in France?
Lina.
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In dutch it is called: sneeuwklokje. Which means: snowbell.
I once was in France and wanted to ask about snowdrops and didn't know the french word. It was very frustrating. So I am happy to know it now. Are there many collectors of snowdrops in France?
Lina.
In Norwegian it is called: snøklokke. 5 points to who guess what that means ;)
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Are there many collectors of snowdrops in France?
Lina.
I don't know, Lina.
"Many", I doubt it (we're not wealthy enough, I guess ;D), but a few, probably. Our friends Bulbissime or Biodiversité would probably know better, if they happen to read this thread...
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Zephirine, I have read about Mark Brown. He is the national collection holder in France. He lives in Varengeville sur Mer in the north-west of France. According to the bible his garden is only to be visited after you have made an appointment by letter. Normally, when I visit France, it is in summer. So I never tried to go there.
Lina.
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Mark Brown moved house after the snowdrop book was written
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I see elwesii Green Tips and James Backhouse
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Mark Brown is quite famous among French gardeners, Lina, not only for snowdrops (he creates wonderful gardens, and has really impressed all those, among my friends, who had the privilege to meet him.
Mark (Smyth) is right: he has started a new garden in Sainte-Marguerite-sur-mer, in 2007 or so, not very far from his previous garden in Varengeville. I hope he took his collection of snowdrops with him when he moved!
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In Norwegian it is called: snøklokke. 5 points to who guess what that means ;)
Snowdrop? ;D
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In Norwegian it is called: snøklokke. 5 points to who guess what that means ;)
Snowdrop? ;D
John, you only get 2 1/2 p! It is snowdrop but the name means snowbell ;D
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Thank you Mark and Zepherine for your info.
And I think, he will have taken his collection with him. Every galanthofile would.
Isn't there information about national collection holders in France in the internet or in a book.
I have a book with all the names and addresses of national collection holders in The Netherlands written by Hanneke van Dijk and Wim Snoeijer. It is 10 years old, but I still use it. Some info changed ofcourse.
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Yes, there is such a book, Lina (see http://www.ccvs-france.org/lienannuairedescollections.htm ), but I don't have it. Maybe some of our other french members do, and could tell us about other snowdrop collections in France?
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Thank you, Zephirine. It is great they renew it every two years. I'll read the whole text tonight, when I have more time.
Lina.
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A very interesting challenge and without leaves almost impossible in some cases but I will try a few speculative thoughts if I'm not too late.
3 plicatus Sally Passmore
26 Faringdon Double
31 Ketton
40 Kyre Park
44 Fenstead End
46 Cotswold Beauty
47 John Gray
I agree with most of your other guesses
I think Mrs Macnamara must be in there somewhere but I cant see where.
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Well done for getting involved, Gordon.... I had thought the 'drop fiends would be jostling for position to name the flowers but it has been terribly quiet :-\
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They're all "glued" to Ebay ::) :P
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Could 17 be Mrs Macnamara?
Tim DH
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Now then KG!
Christmas is less than eleven months away… when do we get the answers??
Tim DH
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Now then KG!
Christmas is less than eleven months away… when do we get the answers??
Tim DH
You tell him, Tim... the lad is slacking.......
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Sadly there will not be a definitive answer to the names. Hopefully everyone enjoyed it as a guessing game and that it got everyone in the mood for this snowdrop season.
We are both very pleased with the healthy debate your posting has caused. How pleasant to see enthusiasts enjoying snowdrops and just haviing fun. Its what our hobby should all be about!! Its nice to see so many people making the effort and sticking their necks out into extremely muddy waters!! Well done to all concerned. There are several very wise commenst to the new enthusiast Without the foliage it is an impossible task to name all those in the pictures even if you could see them all. Believe me I did try but as soon as I rearranged one another dropped into obscurity! The sequence of flowering is the best clue. As has been pointed out Fieldgate Superb is very much later, even in this stupid year. While people are still happy to enjoy the pics and have fun we wont supply you with all the names.
(A bit of insider information tells us that Maidwell L, Augustus, Merlin [Sickle was Right], Atkinsii, X Files, and Fieldgate Superb are not in flower yet here).
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Good grief, next they'll be bringing out "Where's Wally" books (that's "Where's Waldo" for the North Americans) where it turns out that Wally wasn't even in the picture!
But actually I'm inclined to agree that you need the whole plant, including the leaves, to stand a hope of making an identification.
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I have to say I am very disappointed. I had called my husband to my computer and told him that you would be able to name these flowers. He was incredulous, and I was in awe of all the galanthophiles "over there". There is a bit of relief now that maybe I am not as far behind in my snowdrop learning as I thought I was. Here is a collage I made to show my blog followers that all snowdrops do not look alike (that's what 99.9% of the world thinks). I am sure you can name these plants even without the leaves, although there is some "Greatorex confusion" in there. Carolyn
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What a lovely collage Carolyn - I love it. I done a collage like this once with 'white' spider daylilies and it certainly makes a difference when you see them side by side. I forgot how lovely Lady Elphinstone is.
Jennie
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Sadly there will not be a definitive answer to the names. Hopefully everyone enjoyed it as a guessing game and that it got everyone in the mood for this snowdrop season.
We are both very pleased with the healthy debate your posting has caused. How pleasant to see enthusiasts enjoying snowdrops and just haviing fun. Its what our hobby should all be about!! Its nice to see so many people making the effort and sticking their necks out into extremely muddy waters!! Well done to all concerned. There are several very wise commenst to the new enthusiast Without the foliage it is an impossible task to name all those in the pictures even if you could see them all. Believe me I did try but as soon as I rearranged one another dropped into obscurity! The sequence of flowering is the best clue. As has been pointed out Fieldgate Superb is very much later, even in this stupid year. While people are still happy to enjoy the pics and have fun we wont supply you with all the names.
(A bit of insider information tells us that Maidwell L, Augustus, Merlin [Sickle was Right], Atkinsii, X Files, and Fieldgate Superb are not in flower yet here).
I read Wol and Sue's message as meaning that for as long as folks were still guessing they wouldn't give the names. Maybe there is hope for a list, if not a chart to say which is which... at least knowing which drops were included would be fun. :)
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Carolyn,
a) Wendy's Gold
b) Blewbury Tart
c) Greatorex (it doesn't help that I can never remember which is which in the first place)
d) Nivalis double
e) Greatorex?
f) Merlin-type
g) Lady Elphinstone
h) Augustus
i) One of the nivalis with not much of a mark (e.g. Gloucester Old Spot)
j) Greatorex
k) Don't know
l) Lady Beatrix Stanley
By the way, I met a galanthophile recently who confessed to being a "lurker" on the forum but was loath to contribute because she feared she had insufficient knowledge, although it was evident from her garden that she knows vastly more about snowdrops than I do. So here's my ignorance for all to witness.
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Carolyn,
a) Wendy's Gold
b) Blewbury Tart
c) Greatorex (it doesn't help that I can never remember which is which in the first place)
d) Nivalis double
e) Greatorex?
f) Merlin-type
g) Lady Elphinstone
h) Augustus
i) One of the nivalis with not much of a mark (e.g. Gloucester Old Spot)
j) Greatorex
k) Don't know
l) Lady Beatrix Stanley
By the way, I met a galanthophile recently who confessed to being a "lurker" on the forum but was loath to contribute because she feared she had insufficient knowledge, although it was evident from her garden that she knows vastly more about snowdrops than I do. So here's my ignorance for all to witness.
Alan,
I am so thrilled that you took my "challenge". I guess I won't reveal the answers in case anyone else wants to guess. Since I started posting on the forum in all my ignorance, I have received several emails from US galanthophiles saying they have been lurking (kind of a hideous term) for years but were afraid to post. Forum members have been very welcoming to me, and I believe the only way to learn is by making mistakes. I would encourage everyone to participate.
Carolyn
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Carolyn,
a) Wendy's Gold
b) Blewbury Tart
c) Greatorex (it doesn't help that I can never remember which is which in the first place)
d) Nivalis double
e) Greatorex?
f) Merlin-type
g) Lady Elphinstone
h) Augustus
i) One of the nivalis with not much of a mark (e.g. Gloucester Old Spot)
j) Greatorex
k) Don't know
l) Lady Beatrix Stanley
By the way, I met a galanthophile recently who confessed to being a "lurker" on the forum but was loath to contribute because she feared she had insufficient knowledge, although it was evident from her garden that she knows vastly more about snowdrops than I do. So here's my ignorance for all to witness.
Alan,
I am so thrilled that you took my "challenge". I guess I won't reveal the answers in case anyone else wants to guess. Since I started posting on the forum in all my ignorance, I have received several emails from US galanthophiles saying they have been lurking (kind of a hideous term) for years but were afraid to post. Forum members have been very welcoming to me, and I believe the only way to learn is by making mistakes. I would encourage everyone to participate.
Carolyn
I would go with what Alan has already guessed but would add k) Armine maybe and i) Sibbertoft White?
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Alan,
I am so thrilled that you took my "challenge". I guess I won't reveal the answers in case anyone else wants to guess. Since I started posting on the forum in all my ignorance, I have received several emails from US galanthophiles saying they have been lurking (kind of a hideous term) for years but were afraid to post. Forum members have been very welcoming to me, and I believe the only way to learn is by making mistakes. I would encourage everyone to participate.
Carolyn
Just to clarify, I meant participate on the forum in general. But I am also excited that forumists want to try to ID the snowdrops in my collage.
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Alan,
I am so thrilled that you took my "challenge". I guess I won't reveal the answers in case anyone else wants to guess. Since I started posting on the forum in all my ignorance, I have received several emails from US galanthophiles saying they have been lurking (kind of a hideous term) for years but were afraid to post. Forum members have been very welcoming to me, and I believe the only way to learn is by making mistakes. I would encourage everyone to participate.
Carolyn
Just to clarify, I meant participate on the forum in general. But I am also excited that forumists want to try to ID the snowdrops in my collage.
Hi Carolyn,
I realised you were encouraging the lurkers to participate in the forum. I was just trying to fill in the gaps to your collage :)
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Anyone else? I have read the snowdrop bible about the Greatorex double ID problems. However, one of the three in the collage is supposed to be easy to ID and the photo was taken by one of our most illustrious forumists. Also "K" is still up for grabs, and "I" may be.
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A guess about the Greatorex doubles:
. c: Barbara's Double/Hippolyta ?
. e: Jaquenetta: green markings on the tips of the outer segments
. j: Ophelia: marking on inners are pointed and reach half/two-third of segment
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j: Desdemona
k: maybe just a G. plicatus subspec. byzantinus ?
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A guess about the Greatorex doubles:
. c: Barbara's Double/Hippolyta ?
. e: Jaquenetta: green markings on the tips of the outer segments
. j: Ophelia: marking on inners are pointed and reach half/two-third of segment
Freddy
I think Matt Bishop and friends need you on their team as they address the Greatorex double identification problem in Snowdrops 2. They have promised a key. You are absolutely right: 'Hippolyta' (Snowdrops says it can only be confused with 'Barbara's Double', excellent photo by Paddy Tobin), 'Jaquenetta', and 'Ophelia'. Congratulations.
Carolyn
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j: Desdemona
k: maybe just a G. plicatus subspec. byzantinus ?
Thomas
Another great ID: it is G. plicatus subsp. byzantinus.
Here is the whole line up:
'Wendy's Gold'
'Blewbury Tart'
'Hippolyta'
G. nivalis 'Flore Pleno'
'Jaquenetta'
'Merlin'
'Lady Elphinstone'
'Augustus'
Unknown, possibly 'Sibbertoft White' but lost in the mists of time
'Ophelia'
G. plicatus subsp. byzantinus
'Lady Beatrix Stanley'
Alan did an excellent job with his original list. Thanks to everyone for havinf fun with this.
Carolyn
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Thank you, Carolyn, that was great fun! And your collage looks so beautiful, well worth printing as a postcard or wall decoration.
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Carolyn,
I would go with what Alan has already guessed but would add k) Armine maybe and i) Sibbertoft White?
I forgot to give Sean credit for 'Sibbertoft White?' appropriately with a question mark.
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Well done Freddie for sorting those Greatorex out ;) I have taken note and will be checking mine tomorrow to see if they match up. I am very confused with them as well + my Jacquenetta never opens but stays pointed in the air - I must move it.
That was fun Carolyn - thanks - I admit I was lurking on that one :D
Jennie
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I met up with Sue and Wol Staines over the weekend. Sue had kindly hand written out a list of the snowdrops that were in their Christmas day vases.
(Sorry if I have spelt anything wrong - am at work without any reference books).
'Sutton Courtney'
'Chequers'
'Christine'
'GC 15'
'GC 14'
'Lapwing'
'Castlegar'
'Snogerupi'
'Godfrey Owen'
'Ladybird'
'Athenae'
'David Baker'
'Fieldgate Prelude'
'Rizenhensis'
'Henham No 1'
'Donald Sims Early'
'GC 28'
unamed ex David Bromley
'Alex Duguid'
'Sickle'
'Howard Wheeler'
'Naughton'
'Florence Baker'
'Grumpy'
'Rev Hailstone'
'GC 5 ('Glanchantress')'
'GC 2'
'Kyre Park'
'Three Ships'
'byzantinus ex Warham'
'Helen Tomlinson'
'Deerslot'
'Gabriel'
'Jennys Pearl'
'GC 8 ('Glenorma')'
'Ding Dong'
'Spring Greens'
'Yaffle'
'Richard Ayres'
'Comet'
'Mrs Macnamara'
'Faringdon Double'
'Diggory'
'Peter Gatehouse'
'Selborne Greentips'
'Barnes'
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I was grand except for the unnamed one ex David Bromley; that was a real teaser.
Paddy